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' � A CHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION� � �
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I. . CALL TO ORDER , ' � � . r '
. - The meeting was called to order at 12:30 pom.
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. � , . � Cornmissioners � Current Meetin Year to Date �
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. Present � Absent Present Absent
Chris Van Vliet, Chair - X � 1
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Karel Lambell, Vice Chair ' � X 1
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Allan Levin � � , � X , 1
. Michael McAuliffe � X � _ 1 �
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Jim Mclntosh � X � � 1 �
John Vuksic �� ` X � � �
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Also Present � . . � .
� Eric Ceja, Principal Planrier � � � , , � .�
� Kevin Swartz, Associate F'lanner � � .
Christina Canales, Assistant En ineer - � .
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Janine Judy, Recording Secretary � �
. Cancelled meeting:2/27/18,4/10/18,12/11/18,12/25/18 .
IlI.� � ORAL COMMUNICATI4NS � . � � �
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IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 11, 2018 and November 27 201�
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- Commissioner Levin moved�to approve�tfie November 119 201� meetin � . �
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_ . minutes ��with minor changes. Motion was secon�ed by Commissioner �
� McAuliffe and carried by � a .5-1 vote, ,with Lambell,. Levin,� McAul.iffe � �
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� Mclntosh, and Van Vi�iet voting�YES and Vuksic absento .
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Action: � �� � �
Commissioner�Levin. moved to approve the November 27 2018 mee ' � �
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minutes with minor changese Motion was seconded �b Corr�missioner
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McAuliffe and carried by a 5�-1 ,vote, with Lambell, Levin,� 1VIcAuliffe
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� Mcintosh, and Van Vliet voting YES and Vuksic absent.
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V. CASES: . ..._.. . .. , �
A. Final Drawings: � � ,
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B. Preliminary Plans: -
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__ � �APPLICANT AND�ADDRESS : SHIELD�S.RESIDENTIAL 73-0
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NATURE OF PR4JECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT:. C�onsideration to .
� deny modification of an existing wood fence.
LOCATIOIV: 74-855 Fairwa Drive � � �
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. Mr. Kevin Swartz, Associate Planner, resented �a re uest to den a
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modification to an existing wood fencee Back �in 2005, the �
Architectural Review Commission approved the ori inal wood fence �
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at this location. At that time, the Commission approved a weave `
� � design since solid wood fencing was not allowedo Currentl the home �
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- is being rerr�odeled with a pool in the back and for safety reasons �
� � they tore dorivn the ori inal fence and re laced it with a no � '
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_ wood fence. The contractor was unaware that a fence ermit was
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required b.y the City. Code Enforcement and Building and Safety �
�� perform�ed a site inspection and told the applicant a wood fence was .
� � � only allowed if it, was rebuilt using the same materials and�desi� n.
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� _ Mr. Swartz presented photos of the new fence, as well as photos of
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. � thepprevious fience. He said the new fence has a weave design but
� � �the slats go all�the way across instead of dying into the post. He said .
� the fence is in the same location at the�sarne height, ho�nrever it is
now considered a new wood fence and will need an exce tion from
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, : the Commission. The appl�icant, prior to this meeting, rr�et with Mr.
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� who inforrned hirr� he should have rebuilt the exact same fence using
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� � MR. STEVE SHIELDS,�Shieid's Residential said he understands the
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� . reason fornot approving wood fences and exp.lained that since man
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� � . cities do not require a perr°nit, he didn't think t.o ask permission to tear
��a rotten fence down and rebusld it. He ointed out that the fence is in
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the exact same footprint. He said he has done this exact sarr�e fence �
multiple #imes in other cities,because it adds a .lot of ood elements �
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of warmth and color and it is also pool compliant. He mentioned that
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� . _ Home Tour in Palm Desert, and staff told him this�could be done as
� originally approved by the Commission. He said the new fence has - .
, �� a weave design similar to the design in 2005 and the only difference
between the original design and the new design is that it dies into the
. post. He described how the fence was constructed to a ear the �
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, � � � same as the o.ne that was originally approved. He believes that not
� only does it fulfill the�,general feel of the fence a � roved in 2005 �but � �
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it is buil.t in such a way to,fulfill the City's goal of not having fences
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- �. fall�down after a�few years and needin re airs. In reference to the .
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� . color,�.he suggestion a dark color that will essentially match the �
� treated p,osts. This fence will blend into the landscape and provide �
� privacy for his client. He said he would also be addin a ate in
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� between the house and the pool to be compliant. �� �
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� . Commissioner 11/Iclntosh reviewed the hotos and ointed ou
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the slats weren't dying into the post and said there was a ca over
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- . th�em. He ur�derstands that the contractor is buildin a ood ualit �
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� fence butthere is a reason forthe ordinance and that is forthe sim le
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� reason that wood rots and said�even the contractor mentioned that �
� the previous fence was rotted after only 13 years old. He explained .
, that in this environment wood '�fences just don't last and the start � .
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. � , , looking bad very quickly and this Commission is trying to�phase them
� . out of the co:mmunity because of that fact.�1/Vood fences require ,
frequent- maintenance which never gets done and therefore the
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. overall appea,rance in the community doesn't look good compared to
� a masonry or stucco wall that has the endurance and doesn't require �
� � a lot of maintenance. He said in, good conscience he wouldn't
� , recommend an�exceptione� �
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Commissioner Mclntosh and MRe SHIELDS contin ' �
. ued to discuss the
� posts, finished nails and�the mair�tenance re uired of.wood fences.
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They also discussed the gate that is needed for the� oo�l..MR. Shields
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. said it would.be architecturally corr,patible and allow rotection of the
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pool without hav�ng a pool fence since the entire envelo e ofthe ard �
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� . _ doesn t need to be protected frorr� pool access. Commissioner
Mcintosh re�tated his position and,,said the fence didn't have
architectural significance to make an exc�e tion�. �
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� Chair Van Vliet and MR. SHIELDS discussed the hei ht of the _
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;original 6 fence and how the .grade slopes up to�it. Chair Van Vliet
said that he also has a problerrl ,with the fence because there �'
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�. obvious reasons why wood material is prohibited and should be
� masonry. They discussed the setback off the curb bein onl 13' and
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Chair Van Vl�et said typically a 6' fence would be�20'. He ointed out
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that the contractor t�ore down the or�ginal fence and basicall started �
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from scratch by redesigning it�. Commissioner Lambell a reed and
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said the applicant was given the option to repair what was broken �
and that would have been fine but he decided to use new materials
� and redesigned the fence. � � � . �
� MR. SHIELDS said it is his understandin that the owner back in �
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- � 2005 argued that the original wood fence was in com liance with due
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to the lot and house being historical so the committee at the time
� �approved it based on this information. The Commissioners ex lained �
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that the nevu fence is no longer ir� compliance because it has a new
� design and new material. � �
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MR. SHIELDS continued to state his reasons for redes' ' `
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fence a�nd Commissioner Mclntosh said the zonin ordinance states
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fence .has been completely #orn down. Mr. Eric Ce'a, Princi al � �
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- Planner, explained that the City Council in 2015 was s m athetic to
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. people who uvanted to replace an existing wood fence so the formed
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a Fence and Walls Corr�mittee who decided to approve fences with �
a 50% replacement rule that turned out to be terrible idea. T �
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, � existing wood fence in the exact sarr,e location usin the exact same �
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design. He believes this is what vvas presented to Mr. Shields. Since
, this is no longer the exact same desi n, that is wh this came before
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. � ,� After further discussion, the Commission denied the re uest as �
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. presented. Corr�missioner Lambelf suggested that the applicant �
. resubmit a design to meet the code. Commissioner IVicintosh said if -
_ the applicant resubmits �the original design, he has to do alternatin
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slats not lined up, and the spacing between the slats shall equal the
� � �width of the panel, �nrith the same n�umber of panels. The Corr�mission �
� directed the applicant to�either build the ori inal fence.with the same
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. . � design, I�ocation9 and the same height or request a different materialo
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�C�orrlmissioner Larnbell moved to den Case MI - � � �
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by Commissioner Levin and carried 4-0-1�1 uvith Lambell, Levin, Mclntosh �
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and Van Vliet voting YES �with Commis�sioner McAuliffe abstaining a�nd �
� Commissioner Vuksic absent. �
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. 1. APPLICANI' (AND ADDRESS): DARRYL MOORE Ae is Builders
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. Inc., 22365 Barton Road, Suite 200, Grand Terrace, CA 92313
, �NATURE OF PR4JECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT:.�Consideration to
review architecture: of multi-family apartments and a self-storage _
_ � facility as part of the proposed Landmark.Specific Plan.
. � LOCATIOIV: Dinah Shore Drive (adjacent to the Costco Sho in
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: Mr. Kevin Swartz, Associate� Planner, resented a ro osal for a ��
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multi=family apartment building and self-storage facility for a� new
. � .� � specific plan in the northern part of the cit located on Dinah. Shore
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, - � Drive and IVlonterey Avenue. He presented a google ma of the site
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. and presented a PowerPoint presentation �of the site plan. This
specific plan will consist of retail, multi-famil a artments, and a self-
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. storage facility and pointed out that the self-storage will also serve ,, .
� � -� as a buffer from the freeway. This p�roject is currently being reviewed
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� to this Co�mmission to get some architectural feedback .and
comments. On, the site plan, he pointed out the arcels for retail the
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� _ apartments and, the self-stora;ge facility. He stated that the
apartments vvill be two-story�with a d,ensity of 30�units er acre. He
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� � stated that no�acti��oWr� wi�l�I be taken toda as this is bein ' .
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� M R.,E DWARD B E IV N ET,�arch ite�ct, resented the tentative site {an '�
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� fo r 8.81 ac res th at v�ri I I h ave 20 two-sto _b u i I d i n s with 242 u n its vvith �
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11 floor plansa 1Nithin the 20 buildings there will be 16 studios, 64
one-bedroom units, 82 two-bedroom units, and 80 three-be�droorr�
� units: �There are six (6) building ty es and three 3 different
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. architectura�l styles; Tuscany, Spanish, and Modern. He presented
"and described the buildin s, ods and units. I�/IS. NICOLE
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HANNOUCHE9 Architect, pointed out tha# all buildings will not be the
sar°ne size; sorne will be smaller and �ome larger to create variation � �
� to the site. The idea was not to keep just one or two architectural
. styles together�but cluster the architectural st les in different areas
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� so as to feel rr�ore harmonious. MRe BENNET described the roof-and
stated that there is a lot of variation in the st le of the roof and the
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� colors used. They then described the specific styles of architecture.
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. �The Commission and the architects discussed the street scene and �
access to �the garages9 the tile. work on the pods, parkin on site,
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� solar panels9 the six(6) buildin�.types and styles,faux wood material, �
� � colors and accents,�the roof plan, the heights of-the ara ets and
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� � the roof-mounted air conditioning units.�The Commission asked the
� architects to r�nake sure that the equip�ment is totally screened so not
to be'isible.from the public. MS. HANNOUCHE said the will ensure
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that the units are completely screened. The Commission suggested
. . that the architects identify on the drawings the styles for each roof
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Commissioner Lambell suggested more variation in plane change,
. create more articulation, have deeper recesses on the windows to �
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create shadows, identify change of plane rather than it becoming a .
. � � _�_ . flat look, and ensurethatwhateverthe renderings are will match what
, � the shadow line-�uvill beo Commissioner Mclntosh said to look at the ,
� fenestration and th�e depth. . � � � , �
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striking. Looking, at elevation A501 and flipping back to A201 he
didn'# see the same relationships in the depth of the.,walls that he did `
in the elevationo He said it seems like it's almost exa erated a little
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in the elevations and �perspectives. He "and MSo HANNOUCHE
discussed the virindow depth and the wall thickness as shown in the
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- � , : wanted to make sure that this isn't just artistic license. �
, � -_Commissioner Mcintosh and MS. HANIVOUCHE discussed window �
� depth, recess�and breaking of the plane on the renderings submitted.
� He asked about the other elevations and MS. HANNOIJCHE said
' . . they didn't submit every floor plan for eve elevation. She said the
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, � , only submitted � one floor plan reflecting one of�'the e�levations.
� - . � Commissioner 11/Iclntosh suggested the rovide a com lete -and
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separate package for each model style.� � ,
�. � Commissioner Mclntosh suggested .they provide uick sections
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�. for all the units. Commissioner McAuliffe said it would also be
. valuable to see that section actually cut t�hrou h the street rofile
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, because you can't tell from the presentation how close or how far
� � apart the buildings actually are. ,
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- � DARRYL MOORE, developer, said individual trash w�ill be� icked u �
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� � � in �the alleys by Burrtec Waste. Commissioner Levin asked the
. applicants to address utility and master meter �Iocations, electrical .
- panels, fire sprinklers and meters, fire riser room, �detector checks
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• MOORE said they will work out these details before the next �
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� � Corr,missioner McAuliffe referred to the side elevations on� the
. -Contemporary or Modern version arid said the � have two vertical �
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to fly. He asked them to look at four-sided architecture and said they
certainly don't have to be as detailed as the front elevation but even � ,
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. what they have forthe Contemporary.,He said all of them are not that�
� way, but there are a few with at least one blank wall and others with
� just four windowsm�He asked them to a more attention to the sides.
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, this Commission is expressing co,ncern wi#h the utility things because�
.he would hate to see�all�those eleventh�hour things come in and undo
collectively their hard work. He said if they decide on as with
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individual meters, that s a Iot of ineters to address and it's too late to � ,
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� deal with them in working drawings. Whatever decision it is rr�ake it
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u_pfront and address it well so that at the end of the day. what you are
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presenting gets preserved. �
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The Commission and applicants discu�sed the location of the solar.
� IVIS. HANNOUCH said they would be located on the outdoor arkin �, -
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� structure and the buildings and stated they rNill not be visible�.
� . , Commissioner Levin asked if the Commission was lookin at 'ust this
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, parcel or is this a representation of what is going in all the other ones. �
� � MR. MOORE'said this basic con,cept r�vill be rolled out in the rest of
� � the five (5) total parcels and will be�� develo ed this wa with some
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. � � , minor variation. Mr. Swartz sai�d each parcel will come back under a � �
. � � separate review process and a precise plan will be enacted for each
. � , one as part of that package. � . � � .
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. - Mr. Swartz presented the plans for the self-stora e facilit that. will
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, , wrap along Miriam Way�and the railroado �� !.
. MR. BRUCE JORDAN, Jordan Architects, resented a slideshow
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� � way to offer screenin and an acoustic barrier for the a artments. In
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� � orderto do that, theywrapped it around the outside to block freeway �
� and train noise and provided an��-ample setback area for landsca e
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screening. He pointed out the retention area, landscape strip, front .
� elevation, rr�anagement offices,_ corporate offices on the second
� floor, and the self-storage buildings. The will have a combination of
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� _ self-storage and internal motorhome storage, with covered canopies
to cover all the spaces, an 8' h�igh, wrought-iron fence in the
, landscape areas with heavy landscape scre.ening. He said they will
� break up the long faces�on the buildings. He said the internal units
will be clirr�ate controlled and� the outside will be conventional .
. storage.�He��described the larger units that are sized for motorhomes
� . , with a 14' wide modular with 12' wide doorso He said the track this
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. , quite a bit world-wide and said the, multi-family and �single-family �
' - homes are bein restricted b� CCRs� which creates a stron demand
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� � for RV storage. _
MR. �JO,RDAN presented, the ro�of pla�n and indicated the� roof-to �
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� � mounted ,rr�echanicals and assured the Corr,mission they will be
screened. He presented the layout of the offices and described the ,
security system throughout the facility vvith gated access. He said the .
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; � maximum height of the units are 25' with a lot of stucco elerrients,
� concrete block, �vith a colored and lightly sandblasted texture, vvith a
- subtle desert feel and color scheme.
' MR. JORDAN pre�ented the landscape plan and pointed _out that
� � they will have a lot of landscape� to buffer the �entire fa ade.
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� Commissioner Lambell stated that the City doesn't like to rely on
landscape to define and articulate �the arch�itecture of the buildin .
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� � landscape against the wrought-iron fencing since metal gets so��hot �
_ in this environmenta Commissioner L�ambell referred to the southwest
elevation and said this elevation will require ad_ditional I�andsca e
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� buffering and would also be a great spot for Art in Public Places.
� � Commissioner Lambell referred to�A20, the west elevation, and said
� , she was concerned with the terra cotta surrounds and asked how far
� � those stand proud from the rest ,of th�e buildin and MR. JORDAN � .
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, said they did those in a block module�at 16" out. Chair�Van Vliet
- � asked how�far they return ba_ck to the roof and MR. JORDAN said
,� they would return at least 4 to�5' so not to see the narrow end. He
and the Cor°nmissioners discussed framing this element vriith block
� � and Commissioner Lambell sug�gested they enclose this on all four
�sides. MR. JORDAN said they will create taller volume and make it �
- - � four-sided. � . � . -
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The Comm�ssion and MR. JORDAN reviewed and discussed the
� southwest elevation and addin r-nore articulation.
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� Commissioner McAuliffe referred to -the two spaced buildings on
. A19, the southwest elevation, that.wil�l be adjacent to the apartments, �
as well as covered outdoor storage between the buildings. He was �
-� concerned vvith what would be visible from the 8' high wall and asked
what will be parked under the awning.: MR. JORDAN said the wi_II
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� park motorhomes, boats, etc. Commissioner McAuliffe said they will
� probably see a whole variety of different things stored there and
. - � peaking over the top of the fence. MR. JORDAN said there is a 100' .
� buffer there for the WQMP with a lot of separation, but will consider �
� . running the�virall farther away. Commissioner McAuliffe asked them
_ to provide irnages of covered s aces fior RVs, boats etce on the site
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- map for the Commission to review. He said the break in the�building �
is�a good idea and the canopy shown on the elevation is very clean, '
� , but the reality is when it is loaded.
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Chair Van Vliet and MR. J�RDAN discussed the roof-mou
nted A/C
, units and the height of the units and parapets. IVIF�. JORDAN said .
� � they will;refine the plans as soon a� they have the HVAC e ui ment
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. defined.
Mr. Swartz explained that, after staff finishes their review of th'
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project, it will comeV back to the Commission for preliminary approval
� and then move on to Planning Commission. �
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Action: . � � � �
� No action taken. Review onl o � - �
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� Mul#i-Familv_Apartmentso 1 submit se arate acka es� f
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. - � � architect.ural style (Spanish, Modern, Tuscan); 2) submit cros� sections thru
� � � parapets on all units; 3) p�rovide sections for some buildin s and cut throu h
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. street. profiles (street sectio:ns); �4) address utility locations, trash, fire
� rr�eters, electrical� panels, fire riser room, detector checks fire h drants
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water meters, etc., and also include solar battery location; 5} all architectural
elements must be thick and not flat plans; 6) review all fo.ur sides� of� �
architecture on each style;� 7) �subrnit roof lans and floor lans for all
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. building�types; �8) submit elevations for the outdoor parking structures; 8
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submit roof plans for solar features; 9)� make sure that the floor lans match
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the depth on the renderings in regards�to shadow�lines; 10) make sure the
� right-of-way on the site plan rr�atches the right-of-way,on the ma � 56' ; 11
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show the location of the secondary access for fire; 12) landsca e lan
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needs to match site plan (plant palette, appropriate palms, better shade �
trees); 13) look at narrowing the inner roads to 20'-24' instead of 28'�• 14�
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include pedestrian connections to the future retail parcel; and 15) add as
� much shade trees-as possible. �
� . Self-Stora�e: 1) Iandsca e1shall not be utilized to define architecture• 2 .
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more articulation to the southvvest elevation, 3) additional landscaping on
� southwest elevation� to create a buffer; 4) consider Art in Public Places• 5 � . '
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� enc lose surroun d on a l l four si des to increase volume; and, 6) provide
. � images of covered s�aces.for_RVs,.,,boats, etc. on site map.
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VI. COMMENTS �� �
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None ;
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MINUTES January 8, 2019
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Levin moved to adjourn the Architectural Review Commission
meeting at 2:45 p.m.
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ERIC CEJA �
PRINCIPAL R
SECRETARY
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DING SECRETARY
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