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CITY OF PALM DESERT
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
MEMORANDUM
TO: HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
FROM: JEFF WINKLEPLECK, PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING
MANAGER
DATE: JANUARY 11,2001
SUBJECT: REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF FEES FOR THE PALM DESERT SENIOR
SOFTBALL LEAGUE
I. REC
OMMENDATION:
1. By minute motion , that the City Council waive field usage and reservation fees
associated with the Palm Desert Senior Softball League 2001 season.
II. BACKGROUND:
The Palm Desert Senior Softball League is requesting that the City waive the field usage and
reservation fees for the league's 2001 season. The league will field 10 teams with over 100
players,with the majority(approximately 80 percent)being from Palm Desert. The players
range from 50 to 84 years of age. Games will take place on Tuesday mornings at the Civic
Center fields and last 9 weeks.
Mr.Robert Dakin is the commissioner of the league and presented the proposal to the Parks
and Recreation Commission at its November 22,2000 meeting. The commission
recommended that the City Council waive the fees for senior softball.
Staff spoke with Coachella Valley Recreation and Park District staff to identify the specific
field costs associated with the league's usage and they are as follows:
Field Preparation Fees $615/season
Field Reservation Fees $1500/season
Total $2115/season
The field preparation will be done by CVRPD staff and the City will need to reimburse the
$615 if approved. Field reservation fees will not need to be reimbursed.
TY COUNCIL ACTION:
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MEMORANDUM
PALM DESERT SENIOR SOFTBALL FEE WAIVER
MAY 25, 2000
Staff recommends that the City Council approve the proposed fee waiver.
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PARKS &RECREATION ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR
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DIRECTO' OF COMMUNITY CITY MANAGER
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December 11, 2000
Palm Desert City Council
City of Palm Desert
73-510 Fred Waring Drive
Palm Desert, California 92260
Dear Members of the Council:
We are writing on behalf of the Palm Desert Senior Softball League. We look forward to
starting in January 2001. At this point we expect to have ten teams in the league (over
100 players).
On November 22, 2000 we met with the Parks & Recreation Commission. They made a
recommendation to the City Council, "that the field fees be waived for the senior softball
league, that Tuesday mornings be reserved for the senior softball league making sure the
sprinklers are off and the restrooms are open."
We request your approval as soon as possible so we have time to inform our players of
your decision. We also need time to make the necessary arrangements with the
Coachella Valley Recreation& Parks Department.
We would like to thank you for the recent work repairing the infields. This has really
made a big improvement on the fields.
We look forward to being associated with the City of Palm Desert and appreciate your
consideration regarding this request.
Sincerely,
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Robert Dakin, Commissioner George Anas, Assistant Commissioner
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
NOVEMBER 22, 2000
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The list of this year's nominees will be kept for consideration for next year.
Kee the list for rt xt year. There are seven spots left.
B. Senior Softball
Mr. Robert Dakin, Commissioner, and Mr. George Anas, Assistant
Commissioner, attended on behalf of the Coachella Valley Senior Softball
Program. Softball has been an active enterprise in the Coachella Valley
for a number of years. They are representing over 500 people who play
softball regularly. There is a league in Palm Springs and they would like
Palm Desert to organize a league in Palm Desert with Palm Desert
nomenclature. They distributed a letter and a memo to the Commission
outlining their requests. They want to formally organize a senior league
to play on Tuesday mornings beginning January 23, 2001, through March,
2001, from 8:00 am to noon. They use all four of the diamonds at the
Civic Center Park. The local roster consists of approximately 100 seniors
on the eight teams, 80% of which are either full-time or snowbird Palm
Desert residents. The minimum age is 50, ranging up to 84. The league
gets more participants each year.
This is a national group of people that play tournaments around the
country, but this is a home league and they want to play in Palm Desert,
not Palm Springs mainly because the Palm Springs games are during the
weekend. These are some of the same players who participate World
Series of Senior Softball. They are trying to establish the Coachella
Valley Senior Citizens Softball Association.
The Association is requesting upgraded infields; reserved Tuesday
morning field time; field maintenance including bases and lines, sprinklers
turned off, and unlocked restrooms; waiver of field fees; a storage locker;
and team shirts and balls.
The key problem is the condition of the infields. They are sandy and need
stabilizers. The ball is unpredictable as it bounces. There is concern
about accidents and injuries. Mr. Martin stated that the infields would be
better kept up if they were watered down and graded everyday. Last year,
$4,000 was spent on brick dust and it is gone because there's not enough
water pressure and it is not packed down. The current watering system is
not up to par and with a booster pump, all four fields could be done at one
time. It is presently done one at a time. The fields still have
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to be dragged, but on those days they are not dragged, watering will keep
the surface packed. Otherwise, the brick dust blows away. The water
pump was discussed a year ago. But due to the fairly substantial cost, the
subject was left on the table.
The City currently charges $200/team for the season, ie, $1,600/season.
In comparison, Palm Springs has had an established program and the
seniors are not charged for the fields or the maintenance, but the uniforms
are sponsored by private businesses. Palm Springs has annual
maintenance contracts for so many fields per year. Palm Springs does
not have any adult softball leagues, but the maintenance contracts still
stand, so they get their fields done for free. Coachella Valley Recreation
& Parks District (CVRPD) only has a crew of three. Whenever CVRPD
hosts team competitions, they build the cost of the field maintenance into
the entry fee. Insurance is also built into their entry fees. Mr. Martin
stated that the main cost is maintaining the fields at $30/field, or
$120/week. This is what CVRPD charges when they have the time.
Otherwise, it would go to an outside service as Palm Desert does. Also, it
may be difficult to get someone to do the dragging, watering, and lining on
Tuesday mornings. Baseball teams use the fields on Monday nights.
Mr. Dakin stated that there were for more fields slated for the Country
Club Regional Park and these same issues could be inherent. He
believes that they will be able to field 16 teams in their league so they are
already thinking ahead to the regional park.
For Little League, CVPRD sets up the fields at the beginning of the
season and Little League maintains the fields through the season.
Commissioner Barnes stated that we maintain the tennis courts 52 weeks
a year and thought we should do it for the ball fields.
Commissioner Babcock asked how much storage space they would need.
They responded that they needed enough storage to lock up the balls,
screens, a rake, and other equipment. Mr. Winklepleck reported that the
current storage area will open up as soon as the Public Works Department
completes their new storage facility. Until then, the Commission might
consider a temporary shed for both the Senior and Little League teams,
knowing that the other building is being built.
Commissioner Babcock asked how much money they were asking for.
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They don't know how much it would be to renovate the fields. Other than
that, the waiver of fees, the shirts and balls, and the storage shed about
$2000. Little League (groups under 18 years of age) is the only group
CVRPD currently waives fees for. Every adult league, every outside
league from outside the City pay their own fees. Only Palm Desert youth
sports or recognized Palm Desert youth don't pay. Mr. Martin explained
that every organization pays but CVRPD waives light fees and fill use fees
for the youth groups. However, they do pay about $85 per player to their
own organizations. Soccer is a similar per player fee
The field fees are $200/team with 10-12 players, that is $20/player (a
revenue of $1 ,600 for field maintenance and insurance). In addition, the
players pay the umpires $40 per game. Applicant receiving input from
out-of-state snowbird players indicating that it is not unusual for •
municipality to provide the services to the seniors. When Palm Desert
asks $200 per team and Palm Springs is offering the same for free, the
applicants are at a competitive disadvantage.
There are 20 games per season. As mentioned by Mr. Martin,
maintenance is $30/field/week or $120/week (an expense of$2,400 for
maintenance per season). Mr. Martin thought that brick dust should be
included for this year so that it can be packed down. Commissioner
Scheurer stated that it would cost each player $115 to play in this league
and added that if the Commission can help this league by waiving the field
fees and maintaining the fields, it would reduce their out of pocket costs.
The players would pay for their own uniforms and balls. The cost to the
City would be $4,000/season to support the senior softball league ($1,600
in field/insurance fees and $2,400 for maintenance).
Commissioner Barnes asked that if the City picked up the bill for team
shirts and balls for the first year, did they think by the second year, they
could pick up other sponsors. They thought they could. Commissioner
Royer asked if there was any problem with the team paying for their own
shirts. They responded that they could probably handle that.
Mr. Martin pointed out that insurance is included in the $200/team fee. In
Palm Springs, they are charged $70/person if they want the insurance and
they sign a waiver if they don't. Since the kids sign waivers for the skate
park, the applicants should provide insurance for themselves.
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• The main thing is to get the fields up to par. If they get the storage locker
and waiver of fees, that would be best. Mr. Martin pointed out that if the
local seniors won't play on these fields, how can CVRPD draw players to
the Senior Games in February.
Action:
Commissioner Babcock moved, seconded by Commissioner Barnes, to
upgrade the infields with another load of brick dust and by improving the
water system in the infield by adding a pump. Motion carried 5-0 with
Commissioners Tanner, Bats, and Guyer absent.
Action:
Commissioner Scheurer moved, seconded by Commissioner Phil, to make
a recommendation to the City Council that the field fees be waived for the
senior softball league, that Tuesday mornings be reserved for the senior
softball league making sure the sprinklers are off and the restrooms are
open. Motion carried 5-0 with Commissioners Tanner, Bats, and Guyer
absent.
C. Soccer Park
With the success of the San Pablo community garden, staff had been
asked to look at other potential sites for other community gardens. This
site is at the southwest corner of the Soccer Park adjacent to Portola
Country Club (PCC). When the Soccer Park was being planned, staff met
with PCC residents who expressed their desire not to have an active
facility in this corner. It is not a large area, maybe 10,000 sq.ft. It is
estimated that 10-12 plots will fit in the space. It is important to note that
the site is just to the west of a large apartment complex which is going in
and doesn't have space on its own site. This is land where utilization is
minimal. Commissioner Munson asked if this would affect the Soccer
Park parking. As most of the work gets done in the mornings and the
gardeners don't all show up at once, it will not pose a parking problem.
The City will have to provide water faucets, may cut a pedestrian gate in
the wall from the apartment complex, may install some sort of fencing, and
perhaps a shade structure and benches. This garden site will not be as
fancy as the San Pablo gardens. The City has had some conversation
with the apartment developer about putting in a public facility.
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