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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1988-12-13 w..rr MINUTES PRIM DESERT ARCHITBCTURAL COMMISSION TUESDAY - DECEMBER 13, 1988 12:00 P.M. CU44JNITY SERVICES CONFERENCE ROOM 73-510 FRED WARIlNG DRIVE I. The meeting was called to order at 12:00 pm. Commission Members Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ron Gregory, Chairman X 20 3 MAY DAY X 21 2 Russell McCrea X 17 6 Rick Holden X 20 3 Steve Sullivan X 22 1 Others Present: Steve Smith Phil Drell Frankie Riddle Catherine Sass Ken Weller It was moved by Commissioner Sullivan, seconded by Commissioner Holden to approve the minutes of November 22, 1988, as submitted. Carried 4-0. II. Moved by Ctnudssioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Sullivan to approve the following cases by mirnite motion. Carried 4-0. 1. CASE NO: 1532 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STANFIELD SHOPPI`ER CO., BY PALMS TO PINES CANVAS, Pinyon Pines Box 69, Mountain Center, CA 92361. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of a back-lit canvas awning with signage. LOCATION: 73-221 Highway ill. ZONE: C-1, S.P. 2. CASE NO: 1539 SA (PREVIOUSLY 1491 SA) APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): LUCKY STORES, INC., 6565 Knott Avenue, Buena Park, CA 90622. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of center identification sign. Noe MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL CU MISSION DECKER 13, 1988 LOCATION: Lucky Center at Highway 111 and San Pablo. ZONE: C-1, S.P. Condition that the T-111 (wood material) be substituted with (non-wood) suitable replacement material. 3. CASE NO: 1534 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): D & A SHADE, (FOR TUTTI GUSTI), P.O. Box 417, Palm Springs, CA 92263. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of canvas awning and signage. LOCATION: 73-030 El Paseo. ZONE: PC (3), S.P. 4. CASE NO: 1435 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): D & A SHADE CO. (FOR SMOKY'S RESTAURANT'), P.O. Box 417, Palm Springs, CA 92263. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of awning with signage for restaurant. LOCATION: 74-450 Highway 111 (old Cleves Restaurant). ZONE: C-1, S.P. 5. CASE NO: PP 87-14 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): RAY-AL ENTERPRISES, INC., 72-880 Fred Waring Drive, Suite D-17, Palm Desert, CA 92260. NATURE OF PFJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of exterior window shades. LOCATION: 72-880 Fred Waring Drive ZONE: O.P. Catmissioner Sullivan abstained. 6. CASE NO. 1540 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JOANNA ENTERPRISES, 73-425 El Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260. 2 ARCHIITECIURAL COTMISSION DECEMBER 13, 1988 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGH: Sign Approval. LOCATION: 73-425 El Paseo, El Paseo Village. ZONE: C-1 7. CASE NO:- PP 88-15 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CAPRI INTERNATIONAL, 2495 Robertson Blvd., Beverly Hills, CA 90211. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary Approval of landscaping for commercial building. LOCATION: South side of El Paseo between Lupine and Sage Lane. ZONE: C-1 This case was approved on a preliminary basis with the condition that the planters in front of the windows be removed and spread-out more in front of the building. Chairman Gregory abstained. III. CASES: A. FinalDrawings: 1. CASE NO: 1533 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVID OF LONDON, BY D & A SHADE CO., 68-704 Perez Road, Cathedral City, CA 92236. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Awning with signage. LOCATION: 73-700 Highway 111. ZONE: C-1, S.P. Commissioner Sullivan felt that the proposed awning and signage would create problems with the existing signage program in this area. He felt that awnings in this area were not appropriate. Chairman Gregory asked what happens with the awning when it returns. The awning returns to the wall. He does not have any problem with the awning and signage at this location. It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Gregory to approve this case. The vote was 2-2 (Commissioners Holden and Sullivan opposed). Mr. Smith stated that this item will have to 3 NIINUPF:S ARCHITECTURAL OOMMISSION DECKER 13, 1988 be continued to the next meeting at which time the matter can be decided if the fifth member is present. 2. CASE NO: 1432 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): VILLAGE LOUNGE, 72-795 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260. NATURE OF PROJBCr/APPROVAL SOLKW: Approval of parapet sign. LOCATION: Palms to Pines West, Phase 1 (Next to Penguins). ZONE: PC-3 Mr. Ray Lish, owner of Village Lounge, stated that due to a misunderstanding between he and his manager the sign was installed without the benefit of a permit. Commissioner Holden asked if the signage was within the code limit. Mr. Smith indicated that the existing signage is 11 square feet plus the area of the proposed parapet sign, which appeared to be 18 square feet. The parapet sign which reads "Village Lounge/Cocktails" needs to be shortened by deleting "Cocktails" from the sign or that "Cocktail" be deleted from the sign that hangs from the over-hang. Commissioner Holden stated that he was against menu signs and parapet signs. He stated that the wording "Village Lounge" is fine, but the word "Cocktail" is not. Chairman Gregory indicated that the commission had approved the concept of a sign, but did not want it to be a painted sign; however, the sign that has been put up is painted. Also, two of the commissioners were opposed to a sign being on the parapet. Mr. Smith stated that the applicant should be given 30 days to submit plans for another sign with signage that conforms to the recommendations of the commission. Commissioner McCrea indicated that the applicant would have to inform the sign company he retains that the existing signage is over the code limit and that it will need to be reduced. It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Sullivan to deny this request, but gave the applicant 30 days to propose a new sign within code limits. Carried 4-0. 4 MINUTES ARCHITECIURAL COMMISSION DEC EMEEt 13, 1988 3. CASE NO: 1538 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): OLIJAKE, INC./TUTTI GUSTI, 73-030 El Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of a neon and lucite sign for restaurant. LOCATION: 73-030 E1 Paseo (old Mesquite Restaurant). ZONE: PC (3), S.P. Ms. Sass indicated that the name at the top will be neon and the rest will be backlit and lucite. The applicant indicated that the basket will have black stripes and off white background or will keep the same color for the background. Commissioner Holden was opposed to approving this sign with menu signage when the other signs similar to this were not approved. It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Sullivan to approve this case. Carried 3-1 (Commissioner Holden opposed). 4. CASE NO: 1436 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): D & A SHADE, (FOR DESERT PEOPLE), P.O. Box 417, Palm Springs, CA 92263. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of canvas awning with signage for retail shop. LOCATION: 73-405 El Paseo. ZONE: C-1, S.P. Commissioner Sullivan felt that a better awning and signage should be proposed for this building. The ccm fission was not opposed to an awning at this location, but wanted something that was better integrated with the building. Chairman Gregory indicated that the awning needs to conform in shape with the building, which this awning does not do. It was moved by Commission Sullivan, seconded by Commissioner McCrea to deny this case. Carried 4-0. 5 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL CCR4ISSIC N DECIIBER 13, 1988 5. CASE NO: 1038 SA (AMENDED) APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): FEDERAL SIGN CO., 140 E. Tower Drive, Byrr Ridge, IL 60521. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Awning and sign approval for Donino's Pizza. LOC NTICIN: 73-715 Highway 111. ZONE: C-1 Ms. Carol Hoffman, representative for Donino's, indicated that the sign colors will be medium blue and bright red. Photo's of the existing sign and other awnings in Palm Desert were submitted to the commission for review. Commissioner Sullivan asked why the awning was being proposed. Ms. Hoffman indicated that the existing sign was ugly and they wanted to replace the old sign with a new, more up-to-date sign. Chairman Gregory noted that if the awning shape, location and de-emphasis of colors were changed the awning might be acceptable. The sign could be monotone with the logo and have the different colors. Commissioners Sullivan and Holden were concerned about the location of the awning. Ms. Hoffman indicated that Domino's has sign guidelines that they have to follow, which restricts their options on changing the sign. Commissioner Sullivan felt that the awning needed to be better integrated with the building, and that it does not extend to the top of the over-hang. He also asked why this sign was needed since it is not needed for pedestrian use. Ms. Hoffman indicated that the awning is for advertising purposes and to create a better look. Commission felt that the awning needed to be better integrated with the building. Also, the awning does not return horizontally with the store front, and the colors were not appropriate. It was moved by Commission Sullivan, seconded by Commissioner Holden to continue the case for better integration with the store front. Carried 4-0. 6 MINUTES ARa]ITECIURAL OCM-IIISSION DECKER 13, 1988 B. Preliminary Plans: 1. CASE NO: PP 88-20 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): MIRALESTE INVESTMENT CO., P.O. Box 3234, Palm Desert, CA 92261. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary Approval of elevations and landscaping for a 13 unit apartment project. LOCATICN: 74-360 Alessandro Drive, north/east corner of Alessandro and Santa Ynez. ZONE: R-3 (4) proposed R-3 Commission would not approve these plans until they are signed by a licensed engineer or architect. It was moved by Commissioner Sullivan, seconded by Cainiissioner McCrea to continue this case until plans are signed by a licensed engineer or architect. Carried 4-0. 2. CASE NO:- 345 C APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TONMY L. LEONG, 35760 Canada Circle, Cathedral City, CA 92234. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SO[XM: Revision to existing building facade for restaurant (formerly Pearl of the Orient). LOCATICN: West side of Highway 111 between Fred Waring Dr. and Park View. ZONE: PC-4 Comaission had no problem with the parking lot elevation, but did have concerns with the Highway 111 elevation. Mr. Drell informed the commission that the applicant is trying to establish individual identity for this building, and trying to screen the rear of the building. The proposal included a redwood screen mounted on top of the existing block wall and a sign mounted on a block metal mesh structure in the shape of a pagoda. The commission requested that a material board be submitted. Chairman Gregory felt that the mesh would not look appropriate and the use of wood would not be the best material to use in the long run. 7 %age *mole MIIVUTES ARCHITECTURAL OOF441SSION DECEMBER 13, 1988 Commissioner Sullivan did not think the redwood screen on top of the wall would stay connected to the wall. Commissioner Holden was concerned about how the wall ends and has it ties in with the building. He felt that something should be done that will tie the wall in with the building. Commissioner Holden indicated that anything over 6 feet is structure and has to be within setback. Mr. Drell indicated that this proposal is to solve an aesthetic problem that has existed since the building was built. Mr. Drell also noted that the applicant does not have to do anything to the building, but staff encourages improvements. The representative will submit a sign plan and Highway 111 elevation plans to commission. It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner McCrea to approve the parking lot elevation plan. Carried 4-0. It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner McCrea to continue the Highway 111 elevation plan. Carried. 4-0. IV. MISCEE-T ANBOUS: 1. CASE NO: NONE APPLICANT (ARID ADDRESS): JOHN VUKSIC, 73-373 Country Club Drive, Suite 2802, Palm Desert, CA 92260. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of 18 foot high tower on single family dwelling. LOCATION: 73-251 Amber. ZCNE- R-1 - 10,000 This applicant showed commission a model of the hone and where the 18 foot tower would be located. It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner McCrea to approve this case. Carried 4-0. 2. CASE NO: 1503 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGNS BY BULL, (FOR REFLECTIONS), Avenue 45, Indio, CA 92201. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for reconsideration of the deletion of the cocktail glass on the sign for Reflections. 8 NIINUrES ARCHITECIURAL CUIMISSION DECEMBER 13, 1988 LOCATION: 72-990 El Paseo. ZONE: Pc-3 It was moved by Commissioner Sullivan, seconded by Ccnuissioner Holden to deny the request for reconsideration of the deletion of the cocktail glass. carried 4-0. V. ORAL CaYM NICATIONS: Staff asked commission if they wanted to cancel the December 27, 1988, meeting. Commissioners Sullivan, Holden and Gregory indicated that they would be available for the December 27th meeting if one was needed. Commissioner McCrea will not be able to attend. Mr. Smith indicated that the commission will be called next Wednesday, December 21, 1988, as to whether there will be a December 27, 1988, meeting. VI. . The meeting adjourned at 2:30 p.m. 8TFPHEN R. 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