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Home My WebLink About1989-04-25 � � r'iI1V(TPES PAIM D�T �T+IISSICN RUE�AY - APitII� 25, 1989 12:00 P.M. SIIZVICES Q�IItII� I�4 73-510 FRID i�1RIl� D�2IVE � � � � � � �r * � �t �r * * � � � �r �r * * * * * � � * * � � � * � � � �r � � � � I. The meeting was called to order at 12:00 pm. Camtission M�nbers Gt�rrent Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ron GregorY, C�airman X 8 0 Ma�.' Dru�Y X 7 1 Russell McGY�ea X g p Rick Holden X 8 0 Steve Sullivan X g p Others Present: Pat Bedrnsian FYankie Riddle Catherine Sass Brent Conley Phil Drell Steve Smith It was moved by Commissioner Sullivan, seconded by CaTmissioner Druxy to approve the minutes of the April 11, 1989, meeting as submitted, Carried 5-0 II. Moveci by C:�nissianer Sullivan, seooryded by McGbea to app�ave the follo�urirx3 ca,ses by misnute m�tion, ra,�,�-ied 5-0. 1. (�SE ND: 1568 SA APPLICAI�P (1°sD ADDRFSS): ROB TUVELL, INC., 44-215 Nbnterey Avenue, PaLn Desert, CA 92260. I�i2URE OF PRQ7F]CT/APPRaTAL SO[l�T• Final Approval of d�uble faced free standing sign. I�OCATIQ[�i: West side of Nbnterey/44-215 Monterey Avenue between Fred Waring Drive and Highway 111. ZOI�: O.P., S.P. 2. C�SE ND: PP 88-13 APPLIC�INP (Ai�D ADDRF�S): OLIPH�NT/LIZZA ASSOCIATES, 77-900 Avenue of the States, Palm Desert, CA 92260; JOHI�1 OiITCAULT, 74-133 El Paseo, Suite 11, Palm Desert, CA 92260. � �. NIINIT�F:SS ARC�IITF]CIURAL �T�IISSI�i APRTT, 25, 1989 I�ZURE OF Pft�►7�C.T/AF'PROVAL Sa[X�P- Final Approval of building and landscape plans. IACATI�t: Northwest corner of Arboleda and M�nterey Avenue. 7�[�: O.P. 3. C�SE NO: PP 88-19 APPLICANP (AI�D ADDRFSS): RON ODEKIRK, 75-476 Augusta Drive, Indian Wells, CA 92210; KASSOVIC/MCFARLAI�ID, 72-014 Highway 111, RancYio Mirage, CA 92270. 1�ZURE OF PRQ7E7GT/APPRC7VAL SO[7QiT• Preliminary Approval of building elevations and landscape plans for a 10,920 square foot net comnercial building. IAC�TI(�1: North side of E1 Paseo, 140 feet west of Portola. 7.C�VE• C-1 Applicant requested that this case be continued to the May 9, 1989 meeting. 4. C�SE 1�: 1559 SA APPLICANP (ArD ADDRESS): PALM DESER'I' REALTY, 74-280 Highway 111, PaLn Desert, CA 92260. 1VFITURE OF PROJFX,T/APPROVAL SO[�lP: Final Approval of vinyl signage on a frame on the front of a building. IACATIoI�i: 74-280 Highway 111. ZOI�• Gl, S.P. Applicant requested that this case be cantinued until after July. 5. C�SE N0: CX7P 89-2 APPLIC�INP (ArD ADDRF�S): MILTON W. C�N�ERS A.I.A., (Hope Lutheran C�urch), 70-390 Highway 111, Suite 101, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary Approval of arChiteCture. 2 � � NiI1V��S ARQIITFC�[JRAL �T�SSIC�i APRIL 25, 1989 I�OCATI�i: 45-900 Portola Avenue. ZO[�: R-1 (Proposed to ch��uzge to P. ) Camtissioner Dn�y was opposed to this project being approved under the minute motian section of the agenda. III. CASFS: A. Fina.l �'-�*�: 1. CASE I�U• 1560 SA APPLICANT (AI�D AI�RFSS): RON OLIPHANT, Centuzy 21 gnery, P.O. Box 522, Whitewater, CA 92282. 1�12URE OF PRU7f7C,T/APP�L SOUC�P: Awnirig and wall signage. L+OC,ATI�i: 73-130 El Paseo (rear). 7A1�• Gl Mr. Drell indicated that the proposal is for tw�o signs reading "Centuzy 21 E�nery and Investments" in yellow, cream and brown colors. Commission felt that there were too many colors being proposed. Colors should be reduced to two colors; the two signs were ok because they are spaced a sufficient distance apart. It was suggest that Centuxy 21 F]nery be yellaw in color and InvestmP.nts be brown in color. It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Camiissioner Sullivan to approve this case subject to the oondition that the Centuzy 21 Emery sign be yellaw and the Investments sign be Brown both signs to have a tan trinming. C�rried 5-0. 2. C?�SE ND: PP 87-21 APPLICANP (AI�ID ADDRF�S): ASHBY OONSTRUCI'ION C70., P.O. Box 2862, Palm Desert, CA 92261. 1V�1'IURE OF P%)J�C.T/APPR(7VVAL� SQ7C�: Approval of steel cazports on the east side of the Professional Career College building. 3 �' "'w"` � ARQIITF7C.'IURAL Q'rT�SSI�i APRIL 25, 1989 I�OC�TI�i: 75-110 St. Charles Place. ZQ[�: S.I. Camtission was auicerned about the lack of detailing on the carport. The camtission felt that either a v,�od or metal detail sYx�uld be added to the carport. The applicant iridicated that the addition of a wood or metal detail an the awning w��uld be acceptable. Camussiarier Sullivan felt that the 2 inch fascia was rx�t sufficient and suggested that it be wider. It was moved by Commissioner Sullivan, seaonded by Calm.issioner Holden to apprave this case subject to a 6 inch, metal fascia, color to match the primazy color of the building, beirig added. Staff to review and apprave the revised plans. Carried 5-0. B. Prelim?*�w Plans: l. CASE Nl�• GUP 89-4 AppLICANp (ArID ADDRFSS): FFtID FERN, 73-061 E1 Paseo, Suite 205, Palm Desert, CA 92260. 1�ZURE OF PROJ�C,T/APPROVAL SO[X��P: Facade Ren►odel for aannercial co[t►plex. I+OC�TIC�1: North side E1 Paseo, 200 feet east of Highway 74. 7.O1�: G1 Mr. Drell indicated that the trellises have been changed to awnings in�tead. The applicant rwted that awniuzgs are naw being proposed, and that signage will be placed under the awnings. The building architecture on the north elevation (back) is designed to el�m�pate the look of being the back side of the building. Camlissioner Sullivan felt that the north elevation of the building resembled the back side of a buildi.ng with the proposed design. He felt that it looked plain and that if the trees were removed there would be rx� architectural design on the elevation, and w�ould not bother with the vaulted awriings. 4 � o'"r� �i'� ARC�IIT�CiURAL �T�SSI�i APRIL 25, 1989 Camiissioner Drury suggested that a stxuctural piece be added and place the awnings inside the structure. The applicant indicated that the awr�ir�gs could be a mixture of different t,ypes of awnings, trellises and sun control ter.hniques. Cannissioner Holden suggested that the elevation detaili.ng be pulled c�m to pedestrian level and extended across the buildirig elevation. It was moved by Cannissioner Holden, seconded by Comnissioner Drury to approve this case subject to the condition that a trellis structure be pulled da�m to pedestrian level and extended across the ryorth building elevation (parliirig lot elevation). Carried 5-0. IV. NiIS(�,L�At�IDO[1S: V. ORAL �IICATI�LS: Comnissioner Drury asked how much money was budgeted for the architectural calmission lunches. She felt that it would be better to have the lunches delivered instead of having staff take time-off for this purpose when they could be ck�ing city work instead. Mr. Smith will look into this matter. Camlissioner Dn�y also comnented an the sign or�clinance and sane of the recent chariges that have been made. She stated that in the ordinance it reads that signage an awnings is considered part of a business' allaaed signage square footage. A list of CairrLissioner Druzy's camients were submitted ( attachment A) regarding awnings, signs and signage requirements. Ftizrther discussion pursued on awni.rigs, signs and signage. VI. . The meeting adjourned at 2:00 p.m. � Ste Smith, As iate Planner /fr 5 ATTACHP�IENT A � � TRADE CONSTRUCTTOr1 �IGNS Individual signs for trades are acceptable as long as they are limited to 2 SF and are all mounted in the same area. Many times subs change or there may be duplicate subs, such as one for the shell and one for tenant improvement. Because most construction projects are of short duration, these signs differ greatly than most business signs. There should be a provision for immediate abatement of signs in the event a project is shut down for an extended period of time. AWNINGS There should be a provision to remove other signs if there is to be signage on an awning; or at least all existing signs, as well as the awning signage, should be considered to determine if a sign exceeds the maximum allowable square footage. RE "E" , Section 25 .68 .610 - 8" is too limiting. If a sign does not exceed the total SF allowed, then letters over 8" should be permitted, but in no case should lettering exceed 1/3 of the awning height. If 8" remains as the letter height, it should be considered for lowercase Zetters with upcase allowed greater than 8" up to a maximum of 10" . Consideration should be given for logos and business colors, limited in a�c�rr and maximum number of colors to two. �� RE "I" , Section 25 .68 .610 - Drop awnings could be acceptable in some conditions. They should not be totally prohibited. In some cases the design of a building may be best suited for drop type awnings and one that would serve a sun control purpose. What about maintenance and abatement of awnings, etc. ?