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Home My WebLink About1990-11-13 t 1'l.l.lflJl� PALM DESERT ARC11ITECTURAL CX.I414ISSIC N TUESDAY, NW EMBER 2 13, 1990 I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. Commission Members Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ron Gregory, Chairman X 18 2 Rick Holden X 20 0 Frank Urrutia X 17 3 Russell McCrea X 18 2 Christopher VanVliet X 2 0 Wayne Connor, Alternate X 15 5 Staff Present: Steve Smith Jeff Winklepleck Pat Bedrosian Donna Bitter II. APPROVAL OF Nam: It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Cannissioner Holden, to approve the minutes of the October 23, 1990 meeting as amended. Motion carried 5-0. III. MISCEL,LANBOM: Commissioner Holden noted that the sign drawings have been caning in better; however, still would like to see pictures with the proposal showing how the signs or awnings relate on the building and to the adjacent properties. IV. It was moved by McCrea, seounded by Urrutia, to approve the following cases by minute motion: 1. CASE NO.: 1845 SA APPLICANT (AMID ADDRESS): ASTRID McDONALD for JEWELS & GIFTS OF THE DESERT, 73-647 Highway 111, Suite E, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 73-647 Highway 111, Suite E ZONE: Cl S.P. Approved by minute motion contingent on the minimLun clearance meeting the city's code requirement. ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OCRIESSIM NOMEM 13, 1990 2. CASE NO.. 1853 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ALDENA E. SWEENY for RITZI Tao, 73-920 E1 Paseo #3, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATICN: 73-290 E1 Paseo #3 ZONE• C1 S.P. 3. CASE NO.• 1849 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STORMM PER, 73-375 E1 Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Business identification signage LOCATION: 73-375 El Paseo ZONE: C1 S.P. 4. CASE NO.: 1855 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): INDIAN WELLS MASS & MIRROR, 74-990 Joni Drive #3, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 74-990 Joni Drive #3 ZONE: S.I. 5. CASE NO.• 1846 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CHRISTOPHER McFADDEN, 44-850 Las Palmas, Suite A, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Identification signage for rear second floor office suites LOCATICN: 73-375 E1 Paseo, Colonade Building ZONE• C-1 2 1%A0,, MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION IISSION NDM43E 2 13, 1990 6. CASE NO.: 1865 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION for CHARLES HECHT GALLERIES, 41-421 Jamaica Sands Drive, Bermuda Dunes, CA 92201 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: 73-375 El Paseo, Suite A ZONE: Cl S.P. V. CASES• 1. CASE NO.. 1850 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDS): MELICD EXECUTIVE SUITES, 73-375 El Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Identification signage for rear second floor office suites LOCATION: 73-375 E1 Paseo, Colonade Building ZC NE• C-1 The applicant noted that the signage would be for the rear entry suites in the Colonade Building. Commissioner Urrutia felt the signage could be confused with the name of the building. The applicant noted that the signage would designate the 19 Melico suites. Commissioner Holden did not have a problem with the sign reading "Melico Suites" if it were placed above a directory. Commissioner Urrutia felt the signage should identify the entryways to the suites rather than at the top of the building. Action: It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner VanVliet, to continue the request directing the applicant to review the suggestions of moving the name of the suites to a location that would identify the entryways instead of the building, perhaps above the directory for the suites. Motion carried 5-0. 2. CASE NO.: PP 87-20/TT 24539 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TRIAD PACIFIC DEVELOPMENT, 75-050 Merle Street #77, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PM)BCT/APPROVAL SO Nr: Approval of entryway upgrade LOCATION: Northeast corner Cook Street and Hovley Lane 3 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CCMIISSION NOVR43ER 13, 1990 ZONE: 0.P. The applicant, Mr. Del Pate, had decided to make this a gated community, and therefore is seeking approval of the revised entry. Commissioner Urrutia noted that the commission would need to see more detail on the gate design, what the walls would look like, the color and materials of the walls and gate and how it ties into the adjacent development. He added that any signage should be included in these details. Chairman Gregory added that the elevations were also needed prior to approval. Mr. Pate noted that the homeowners association would be maintaining the retention area along the development. He added that the retention area grading would be redesigned to create a tot lot. Chairman Gregory asked applicant to also provide the plans for this tot lot. Action: It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Urrutia, to grant conceptual approval of the entryway design noting that the applicant will need to provide details on the gate design, what the surrounding walls will look like, the color and materials of the wall and gate, phones, signage, card gate and how it ties into the adjacent development. Notion carried 5-0. Mr. Pate requested approval to plant the date palms now. Chairman Gregory felt the landscaping should be pulled out to the end of the retention basin to avoid the look of the landscaping stopping so bluntly. Mr. Smith noted for the record that commission encouraged the applicant to bring the entry landscaping further to the south, not just to stop in a straight line as shown. Mr. Smith informed applicant that with conceptual approval the he has the option to came back for preliminary approval prior to the final drawings being presented. 3. CASE NO.. 271 C APPLICANT (AND AMRESS): COUNTESS VON HUELLESSEM, 73-405 El Paseo #31A, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPRUVAL SOUGHT: Approval of awning with signage LOCATION: 73-405 El Paseo #31A ZONE: Cl S.P. Applicant was not present. 4 NIINUTFS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CU4IISSICN NWEMER 13, 1990 Action: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner McCrea, to deny the request for reasons stated on original application. Motion carried 5-0. 4. CASE NO.: Tract 19503-1 APPLICANT (AMID ADDRESS): GEORGE FOX c/o MICHAEL BUCCINO, , 74-133 E1 Paseo, Suite #9, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUCHT: Final landscape plans for tract entry streetscape LOCXTICN: West of Palm Valley Storm Channel, south of Painters Path ZONE: H.P.R. Action: It was moved by Chairman Gregory, seconded by Cb missioner Holden, to approve the final landscape plans as submitted. Motion carried 5-0. 5. CASE NO.: 1857 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALM SPRINGS SHADE for DIAMONDS FOR KLURE and PETERS CRAFTS, 5000 Calle San Raphael, Palm Springs, CA 92264 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SO 3ff: Approval of awnings with signage LOCATION: 73-375 El Paseo, Suite 0 ZONE: Cl S.P. Commissioner Urrutia was concerned with the massiveness of the two awnings. The applicant noted that the owner felt with the design of the building, this was their only answer. Commissioner Urrutia suggested an awning that looked like one awning but actually would not touch. Chairman Gregory thought the hemisphere shape done did not work at this location and felt something with more square lines would be appropriate. The applicant noted that the owner on the right, Diamonds For Klure, was adamant about having the proposed awning and suggested that his awning could be the only one approved and work with another type signage for Peters Crafts. Chairman Gregory suggested two different colored awnings for the 2 businesses. Commissioner Urrutia thought a symmetrical design could also work on this building. 5 DUHHES ARCHITBCIURAL REVIEW CC14USSICN NMTMER 13, 1990 Action: It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Van Viiet, to continue the request stating that they would prefer either a look of one awning or two different colored awnings for the separate businesses. Commission did not feel the hemisphere shape awning would work at this location. Motion carried 5-0. 6. CASE NO.: 1859 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALMS TO PINES CANVAS for GRETA, Pinyon Pines, Box 69, Mountain Center, CA 92361 NATURE OF PR0.7EC.T/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of marquis awning and sign LOCATION: 73-130 El Paseo ZCNE: Cl S.P. The applicant, Ernie Brooks, indicated that the proposed awning would be eggshell in color with 2" round brass poles. The lighting would be 8' double fluorescent fixtures (5 each) with the fabric being translucent. Chairman Gregory felt that when a building in constructed with a marquis, a policy be stated that there will only be one marquis approved for each building. Commissioner Urrutia felt it was arbitrary to use the awning for business signage. He would prefer to see something thought out more being made a part of the building and was not convinced that bringing the awning out 17' to the curb accomplishes what the owner is looking for. Mr. Bedrosian thought commission should see the adjacent businesses when a proposal with this type of extension is being presented. Commissioner Urrutia agreed. Commissioner Urrutia felt this was forcing the commission to take a stronger look at projects when they first cane in for approval. He added that the developers and architects should be informed to concentrate on a better solution than the use of the attached awnings- Action: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner VanVliet, to continue the request stating that they would like to see something thought out more, being made part of the building. Commission directed applicant to work with other solutions than going all the way to the street with the awning. Applicant to return with pictures of building showing how this would tie into the adjacent structures. Motion carried 5-0. 6 *,r NiIIV[TrE,S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVR4NER 13, 1990 7. CASE NO.: 1862 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): MARK PALMER DESIGN for SALAMDN CHIROPRACTIC, 44-200 Monterey Avenue, Suite A, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification sign LOCATION: 44-200 Monterey Avenue, Suite A ZONE: O.P. Commissioner Urrutia noted that this was the twin building of the NRS office. He added that a similar proposal came before the commission with the signage being on top of the building and it was denied as commission felt the signage was much too large for this small building. Commissioner Holden noted that the commission was trying to avoid the billboard look. Camtission noted that the presentation itself was done very nicely. Action: It was moved by Cammissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Urrutia, to approve Option No. 2 presented by the applicant to be located on the south side of the entry door, above the windows, below the soffit overhang. Motion carried 5-0. 8. CASE NO.. 1861 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGNAGE for MY BROTHERS TALENT, 73-330 E1 Paseo, Suite C, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPRUVAL SOUGH: Approval of awning with business identification signage LOCATION: 73-330 El Paseo, Suite C ZONE: Cl S.P. Applicant proposed to replace existing awning with new signage reading "My Brothers Talent". Action: It was moved by Commissioner VanVliet, seconded by Commissioner McCrea, to approve the requested signage with a maximum of 8" white letters. Motion carried 5-0. 9. CASE NO.: 1863 SA APPLIaW (AND ADDRESS): AMERICAN AWNING CO. for KARACENA, 44489 Town Center Way, Palm Desert, CA 92260 7 sawe *000' NLIN[tTFS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OONMISSION NONE MBER 13, 1990 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPRUVAL SO[XW: Approval of awning with business identification signage LOCATION: 73-130 E1 Paseo, Suite D ZONE: Cl S.P. Action: It was moved by Commissioner VanVliet, seconded by Commissioner McCrea, to approve the signage as submitted. Motion carried 5-0. 10. CASE NO.: 1866 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGN DESIGN for LE PAON, 45-640 Highway 74, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification sign LOCATION: 45-640 Highway 74 ZONE: P.C. 4 Revised signage now to show a polished brass peacock logo, halo lit with mauve neon. Applicant noted that a proposal for the name "Le Paon" imbedded into the tile with brass would be done by another company. Commissioner Urrutia was concerned with getting this project in pieces. The applicant noted that the owner is now requesting that the valance exterior be lit by a neon light, which would be completely covered. Action: It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Holden, to approve the revised signage with the polished brass peacock logo. Notion carried 5-0. It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner McCrea to approve the hidden neon lighting under the exterior valance to math color of peacock. Motion carried 5-0. 11. CASE NO.: CUP 90-17 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): LOUISE'S PANTRY, 44-491 Town Center Way, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOS: Approval of revised proposal to enclose existing patio dining area LOCATION: One Eleven Town Center ZONE: P.C. (3) S.P. 8 1*W01 14000" MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW QaMIISSION NU II43ER 13, 1990 Staff noted that the planning commission continued this case at their last meeting noting the A.R.C. would still have an opportunity to review the revised plans at their November 27th meeting. Action: It was moved by Commissioner McCrea, seconded by Commissioner Urrutia, to continue the request as applicant was not present with the revised plans. Motion carried 5-0. 12. CASE NO.: 1836 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALMS TO PINES CANVAS for MONDI at EL PASEO COLLECTION NORTH, Pinyon Pines, Box 69, Mountain Center, CA 92361 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of signage above awning LOCATION: 73-100 E1 Paseo ZONE: C1 S.P. Applicant presented revised proposal for the signage at three locations on the awning and one on the wall. Awning color would match the building. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner VanVliet, to approve the revised signage as submitted. Notion carried 5-0. 13. CASE NO.: 1856 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): HARMON GLASS CENTERS, 74-990 Joni Drive, Unit 1C, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 74-990 Joni Drive ZONE: S.I. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Cawdssioner McCrea, to approve the signage with "Harmon Glass" in 11" letters maximum and "Auto Glass Service" centered below in maximum 6" letters. Notion carried 5-0. 9 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CX N 4ISSION NJAa43ER 13, 1990 14. CASE NO.: 1867 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALMS TO PINES CANVAS for ROBERT OONARD'S, Pinyon Pines, Box 69, Mountain Center, CA 92361 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of awning with signage LOCATION: 73-101 Highway 111, Suite 3 Applicant was requesting a 28' marquis awning, ivory in color with black 8" letters. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Chairman Gregory, to approve the awning request as submitted. Notion carried 5-0. V31. MISC ELL ANBOUS: A. Catherine Sass reported that the Art-In-Public-Places program is off the ground and moving full speed ahead handling more complicated integrations of art into the fabric of the city. The AIPP committee felt it is important to have a liaison with A.R.C. as more "in lieu" projects come in and for input on architecturally integrated public projects. Action: It was moved by Cannissioner McCrea, seconded by Chairman Gregory to appoint Frank Urrutia to serve as Liaison between the Art-In-Public- Places Subcommittee and the Architectural Review Commission. Motion carried 5-0. B. Steve Smith noted that a sign amendment was going to the planning commission with regard to the content of signs. Commissioners Holden and Urrutia met with the sub-ccmrni.ttee and basically the city will be going with the city attorney's recommendation to allow up to two (2) items in addition to the business name. Commissioner Holden noted that the commission will still decide on the graphics. VII. . The meeting adjourned at 3:00 p.m. S SMITH ASSOCIATE PLANNER 10