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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-09-27 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 ***************************************************************** I . CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 12 : 15 p.m. Commissioners Present: Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Richard Holden X 24 01 Frank Urrutia X - 22 %3 Chris Van Vliet X 24 4 1 Wayne Connor X 25 C=0 Richard O'Donnell X - 20 u 5 Ronald Gregory X 21 e--'4 Staff Present: Phil Drell Steve Smith Jeff Winklepleck Steve Buchanan Daisy Garcia Donna Bitter II . APPROVAL OF MINUTES: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet, to approve the minutes of the September 13, 1994 meeting as submitted. Motion carried 6-0 . III . It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to approve the following cases by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0. A. Final Drawings : 1 . CASE NO. : 4365 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : JOHN OHEA SIGNS for MILLER PLAZA, 48-655 Coyote Road, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of sign program LOCATION: 72-875 Fred Waring Drive ZONE: O.P. Steve Smith presented drawings of the proposed sign program noting that it would be the same as shown in the photographs for the existing Santa Fe Square building. *NOW MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 Commission approved the sign program as submitted. 2 . CASE NO. : 4362 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : ULTRANEON SIGN CO. for MOTION, 5458 Complex Street, Suite 401, San Diego, CA 92123 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 73-061 El Paseo, Suite 3 ZONE: C-1 S.P. Jeff Winklepleck presented drawings for the proposed signage noting that a single blue neon tube would be the light source. Commission approved the signage as submitted. 3 . CASE NO. : 4363 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : SIGNS BY MEL for MONTEREY PALMS, 945 Boardwalk, Suite B, Palm Desert, CA 92211 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 44-600 Monterey Avenue ZONE• R-2 Jeff Winklepleck presented plans, as well as photographs, of the existing signage locations for Hacienda De Monterey. He reported that the applicant was requesting additional signage for Monterey Palms because a second company took over part of the office. Mr. Winklepleck added that the applicant was willing to remove the existing wall signage in order to add this new signage to the existing monument sign. Chairman Gregory felt that the wall signage would not have to be removed. Commission approved the proposed signage as submitted. 2 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 4 . CASE NO. : 4364 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : IMPERIAL SIGN CO. , INC. for THE DOLL HOUSE, 46-120 Calhoun Street, Indio, CA 92201 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 72-990 E1 Paseo, Suite 4 ZONE: C-1 S.P. Jeff Winklepleck presented plans and pictures of the proposed signage which would replace the two existing "40 ' s Again" signage. He indicated that a rheostat would be installed to conform to the existing signage in the center. The applicant, Jim Engle, noted that the proposed signs would be approximately 2 feet smaller than the existing signage. Commission approved the signage as submitted. 5 . CASE NO. : 4366 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : SPEEDY SIGN-A-RAMA, USA for APPLE MORTGAGE, 41-905 Boardwalk, Unit "U" , Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 74-040 Highway 111, Suite "F" ZONE: C-1 S .P. Jeff Winklepleck presented drawings of the proposed signage as well as photographs of the location. He reported that the existing sign program for the center was channel letters and this request was for reverse channel letters . The colors are consistent with the sign program. Commissioner Urrutia asked if the apple logo would be back lit. Mr. Winklepleck indicated that it would be. Commission approved the signage as submitted. 3 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 6 . CASE NO. : PP 90-12 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : GLENN BRADLEY ENGER ARCHITECT & ASSOCIATES for COLD CALL COWBOY PRODUCTIONS, 74-481 De Anza, Palm Desert, CA 92260; LUDINGTON/LINK GENERAL CONTRACTING, 73-305 Pinyon, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of final architectural and landscaping plans for 10, 132 square foot commercial building LOCATION: 75-100 Mediterranean ZONE: S. I . Steve Smith noted that the plans were before the commission at it' s previous meeting, and the revised elevations were now being presented. The applicant, Mr. Ludington, reported that the building was now one office and therefore the individual doors had been changed to windows . The height of the parapet was also lengthened to screen the roof mounted equipment. Commission approved the revised plans subject to adding the details as shown on the working drawings . 7 . CASE NO. : PP 92-6 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : KEITH FERNANDEZ c/o WAILOA DEVELOPMENT for DESERT SPRINGS MARKETPLACE, 1150 W. Robinhood Drive, Suite 4-C, Stockton, CA 95207 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of elevations for Pad "K" LOCATION: Desert Springs Marketplace - Northwest corner of Cook Street and Country Club Drive ZONE: P.C. (2 ) Steve Smith noted that the building pad was located behind the fountain off the corner of Cook Street and Country Club Drive. Steve Buchanan indicated that the elevations were identical to Pad "L" and were consistent with the adjacent buildings . 4 fir+ r,.,r MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 Commission approved the elevations for Pad "K" as submitted. IV. CASES: A. Final Drawings : 1 . CASE NO. : PP 92-5 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : LOWE ENTERPRISES, INC. for DESERT CROSSING, 11777 San Vicente Blvd. , Suite 900, Los Angeles, CA 90049; MCG & ASSOCIATES, 200 So. Los Robles Avenue, Suite 300, Pasadena, CA 91101-8461 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of: 1) Revised elevations and signage for Circuit City; 2) Elevations for Pad "A" ; and 3) Highway 111 median landscaping LOCATION: Southeast corner of Highway 111 and Fred Waring Drive ZONE: P.C. (3) Steve Smith reported that he had presented the revised elevations for Circuit City to Commissioners Holden and Urrutia and the drawings before the commission today were the results from those meetings . The applicant, Joseph Bricio, outlined the revised elevations which included the reduction of the Circuit City tile, reduction of signage, lowering the height of the signage to 28 ' , and incorporating some of the mounding on the rear side of the building. He noted that one of the comments made by the commission was the addition of a tower element and indicated that Circuit City had decided that they did not want to add a tower to this element but to keep the Circuit City tower as presented. Mr. Bricio added that the proposed trellis on the back side of the building did not comply with the developers plans for landscape mounding. Commissioner Urrutia asked about the size of the mounding. Chairman Gregory noted that the mounds were approximately 4 ' high and 4 ' wide. Commissioner Urrutia felt that the 4 ' mounds were not sufficient next to the 28 ' high building. Chairman Gregory suggested that additional trees be placed along the back of the building in lieu of the proposed trellis . 5 '*SAW MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 Commissioner Urrutia discussed his concerns with the overall design of the center as the store fronts were looking more and more alike. Commissioner Holden agreed and noted that the developer had always shown a variety of domes and pyramids for the theme of the center with the original elevations showing different elements next to each other. He discussed how there now were too many of the same elements next to each other and not the variety that was promised. Commissioner Urrutia agreed and reiterated that the center needed to conform more to the way the plan was originally presented. Commissioner Holden indicated that at the previous meeting he specifically stated that Circuit City did not have to add the dome element, but that it would have to be placed at the next tenant. He felt that the commission was trying to give the developer options while insuring that two similar elements were not next to each other. Commissioner Holden noted that the whole idea was to provide something unique with the various towers elements . Mr. Drell asked if the commission was requesting at least two tower elements in the center. Commissioner Holden answered that this was not the case but that he wanted more variety. Commissioner Connor had no problem requiring Circuit City to have the tower element. Mr. Bricio indicated that it was very important to Circuit City to keep the flat roof . Commissioner Urrutia expressed how the commission had a job to do and could not overlook the way the center was originally presented to them. He felt that the commission was trying to preserve the aesthetic concept and little by little it was being taken away. Commissioner Urrutia noted that what Circuit City was proposing was nowhere else in the center. Mr. Bricio felt that the storefront was a pleasant relief in the street scape. Mr. Smith felt that if the commission was going to hold the developer to the two pyramid elements then Mr. Chen would need to go back to Lowe Development to find out which two spaces would definitely have the tower elements . Mr. Chen indicated that it would not be necessary to discuss this issue with Lowe and stated that the pyramid will be on the building next to Target, which is not designed yet. 6 `4ww MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 Mr. Chen discussed how the tenant next to Circuit City was smaller, and given the scale of the elements in the center, a dome would not proportionally fit. He added that Retail "E" would be a dome. Commissioner Holden felt that Circuit City had done what the commission had asked for. Commissioner O'Donnell asked if the rear landscaping issue had been settled. Chairman Gregory suggested changing the 24" box trees to 36" box trees, 17 ' apart. Commissioner Connor felt that some of the oaks should be increased to 48" box with the faster growing trees increased by one size. Commissioner Van Vliet questioned the size of the revised signage. Mr. Smith indicated that because they deleted the menu items, the signage did comply. Note: Chairman Gregory left meeting at 2 :30 p.m. Mr. Chen asked that the review of the elevations for Pad "A" be continued. He then showed a sample of the fiberglass material proposed for the tile domes . Mr. Chen noted that the fiberglass would only be used on the actual elements at the top of the buildings, with regular tile used elsewhere throughout the center. Commissioner Connor asked how this material would be maintained. Mr. Chen reported that the structure itself would last a couple hundred years and that the material is used in spas and could be polished out several times if needed. Commissioner Holden noted his concerns with the dark colors and the problems of it heating up. The manufacturer' s representative, Mr. William Burkhart, indicated that it withholds temperatures up to 400 degrees . Mr. Drell indicated that a maintenance agreement would be required from the manufacturer in order for it to be maintained properly and corrected if it fades at any time. Commissioner Urrutia felt that the concept was acceptable if commission received a guarantee that the maintenance would be done properly. Commissioner O'Donnell discussed how the original plan did not have the heavy towers and pyramid elements all clumped in on one side, and he was now concerned with the clustering of the tower elements . Commissioner Holden noted that there now would be two design elements 7 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 adjacent to each other with the location of Circuit City and was looking for a change in the entry element with Circuit City or the element to the left of Circuit City. Action: It was moved by Commissioner O'Donnell, seconded by Commissioner Holden, to approve the revised signage for Circuit City as submitted. The revised elevations for Circuit City were approved subject to the developer providing a substantial element, other than a flat top, to the tenant to the left of the Circuit City building. This element is in addition to the two additional large dome/pyramid elements still required in the remainder of the center. Motion carried 5-0 . Action: It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner Holden, to continue the landscape plan to allow the landscape architect time to submit an updated plan. Motion carried 4-0 . Elevations for Pad "A" were continued at the applicant' s request. 2 . CASE NO. : TT 24539 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : CENTURY HOMES for BELMONTE ESTATES, c/o Dennis Cunningham, 1535 So. "D" Street, Suite 200, San Bernardino, CA 92408 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of new models for additional phases LOCATION: Northeast corner of Hovley Lane and Cook Street ZONE: PR-9 S.P. Steve Smith distributed drawings of the existing house plans in Belmonte and showed the commission a video of the same. He noted, that there were 90 lots originally approved and 15 of these were built. Mr. Smith reported that the new developer was before the commission today presenting their own product line of homes which would be located east and south of the existing homes . 8 *Mow N4,01 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 Mr. Smith indicated that the actual corner lot at Cook Street and Hovley Lane had been rezoned O.P. and this area is still vacant. In 1988 the city approved plans for 224 apartment units on the remaining 25 acres . In May, 1989 the original developer received approval through the planning commission to change the apartment proposal to a tentative map creating ninety ( 90) single family homes . Mr. Smith then outlined the commission' s responsibility on the approval process for this project as provided in Municipal Code Section 25 . 70 . 090 . Mr. Smith advised commission that Plans 1 and 2 comply with the height limit. Plans 3 and 4 are in excess of the 18 ' height limit. In order to comply within the allowed 181 , the developer would have to adjust the loft areas . The garages for Plans 1 and 2 would need to be modified to comply with the required minimum size. The wall was installed on The Lakes property by Sunrise Corp. and ranges from 5 ' to 7 ' 3" . Mr. Smith suggested that the commission hear the presentation from the developer and then from the existing homeowners . Commissioner Urrutia noted the fact that this was an architectural commission who' s responsibility was to approve architectural and landscaping issues only. They were not a planning commission and could not get involved in any planning commission issues . Mr. Dennis Cunningham, Director of Products for Century Homes, distributed proposed house plans and a briefing from their meeting with The Lakes Homeowners Association on the concerns of the wall . Mr. Cunningham discussed how the new developers felt that the existing homes were too dark for the desert area and proposed to start out with the dark gray colors and end up blending out to the lighter earth tones . He was aware of the loft situation and is continuing to work with the planning commission on this issue noting that the rear elevations for these lofts had no windows . Homeowner, Margaret Glegling, expressed her concerns with the proposed new homes having no similarities to the existing homes . She would like to keep the same colors of the existing homes throughout the entire project. Another homeowner, Tom O'Neil, felt that the new homes did not share the same architecture noting the existing front court yards and gable roofs . He thought that the roofs on the new homes created a big difference and would 9 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 produce a hodge podge of homes inside a walled community. Chairman Gregory then asked if there were any other homeowners present who would like to speak on the issue. There were none. Commissioner Urrutia did not have a problem with the proposed architecture and colors or with the idea of someone trying to do something a little different within the development as long as they compliment each other. One of his concerns with the new homes is the gable ends adjacent to each other. He felt that when the buildings are this close to each other there needs to be some concession made to soften it with some hip roofs adjacent to gable ends . Commissioner Urrutia suggested using some of the same flat tile roof material from the existing homes so that it appears more like an identified development. Chairman Gregory suggested that entry courtyards be installed in the area near the existing homes . He felt that the small items such as adding windows in the garage doors should also be carried out especially next to the existing homes . Commissioner Urrutia felt that the homes on the five lots at the entry should be a lot closer architecturally to the existing homes . Mr. Cunningham stated that he would like to stay away from some of the exact roof tiles that are there now but use the same colors . He will provide some elevations with the flat tile roofs, the hipped roofs and front courtyards . Commissioner Holden discussed his concerns with the loft areas not being compatible. Mr. Smith indicated that the developer would have to go back to the planning commission for approval of the height of these homes because a review of the minutes when the tentative tract was approved indicates that only single story units would be built. Commissioner O'Donnell asked how fixed the phases were and suggested moving the models out to the back of Phase IA near the access from Via Cinta. Mr. Cunningham outlined the marketing reasons why they wanted the models at the front of the development just off Cook Street. Ms . Glegling stated that the homeowners had asked that the models be placed at the end of Phase IA and to relocate their entrance gate on this back side of the project. Mr. Cunningham indicated that there was a 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 construction trailer on the back side of Phase IIB with a construction access . Commissioner Urrutia felt that the location of the model complex was acceptable as long as the models were architecturally complimentary to what is there now. He added that one solution would be for all of the models to represent the elevation that would be more similar to the existing homes as this would create a better transition. Commissioner Urrutia also felt that the plans should be flipped so that there were not two garages next to each other. Action: It was moved by Chairman Gregory, seconded by Commissioner Urrutia, to continue the plans for the new phases to allow the applicant time to revise the elevations allowing for a better transition to the existing homes . Commission suggested the use of some flat tile roofs, added entry courtyards, hip roofs, and added windows to the garage doors . Commission felt that the model complex needed to be more sensitive to the existing homes or relocated to another place in the project. Motion carried 6-0 . Commissioner Van Vliet asked if there was a grade difference now with the wall . Mr. Smith indicated that there is a street, a golf course and a tot lot adjacent to the wall . There were no homes adjacent to the wall . Mr. Cunningham outlined the meeting he had with The Lakes homeowners and indicated that their concerns were met. Mr. Smith noted that staff would make it a point to notify these homeowners when this case was before the commission again. Note: Commissioner O'Donnell left meeting at 3 :00 p.m. B. Preliminary Plans : 1 . CASE NO. : TT 27561 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : DESERT SOUTHWEST DEVELOPERS, INC. , Post Office Box 10179, Palm Desert, CA 92255 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of models for Hovley Court project 11 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 27, 1994 ZONE: R-1 Steve Smith presented the plans noting that the access for these models was through the gates for Winterhaven. He indicated that these were preliminary only and will come back to this commission after going through the building department. At that time, staff will make sure that the landscape plan is submitted. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to continue the plans directing the applicant to return with material samples, color board, preliminary landscape plan and enlarged site plan showing the dimensions between the buildings . Commission allowed the developer to submit the plans to the building department to begin the plan check process . Motion carried 6-0 . C. Miscellaneous Plans : 1 . APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) : DESERT SOUTHWEST DEVELOPERS, INC. for J.D. AND SANDRA BOYD, Post Office Box 10179 , Palm Desert, CA 92255 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of plans for 16 ' single family residence LOCATION: 40-785 Avenida Arcada ZONE: PR-5 This case was deleted from the agenda as the plans were revised and approved at staff level . V. ADJOURNMENT: The meeting was adjourned at 3 : 30 p.m. y ST VE SMITH ASSOCIATE PLANNER SS/db 12