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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-10-22 MINUTES PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 I. CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. Commissioners Present: Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Richard Holden X 3 1 Frank Urrutia X 4 0 Chris Van Vliet X 4 0 Wayne Connor X 3 1 Richard O'Donnell X 4 0 Ronald Gregory X 4 0 Staff Present: Phil Drell Steve Smith Martin Alvarez Steve Buchanan Daisy Garcia Donna Bitter II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to approve the minutes of the September 24, 1996 meeting as submitted. Commission does not endorse the accuracy or validity of documentation received from Mr. Chris McFadden regarding his suggested corrections to the minutes. Motion carried 5-0-1, Commissioner Holden Abstaining. It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to approve the minutes of the October 8, 1996 meeting as submitted. Commission does not endorse the accuracy or validity of documentation received from Mr. Chris McFadden (Exhibit"A"). Motion carried 5-0-1, Commissioner Connor Abstaining. MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 III. CASES: A. Final Drawings: 1. CASE NO.: 4721 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGN-A-RAMA for ORCHID GARDEN, 41-905 Boardwalk,Unit"U", Palm Desert, CA 92211; ORCHID GARDEN, 73-607 Highway 111,Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to replace sign face in existing light box for new business identification signage LOCATION: 73-607 Highway 111 (Jensen's Center) ZONE: C-1 Steve Smith presented the colored rendering of the sign indicating that the applicant is requesting approval to install the 48" x 42" sign in the existing can. Action It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to approve the business identification signage as submitted. Motion carried 6-0. 2. CASE NO.: 4723 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): LOCANDA TOSCANA CORP., 72-695 Highway 111, Suite A-10, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage made of hand made mosaic tile letters LOCATION: 72-695 Highway 111, Suite A-10 ZONE: C-1 The representative for the applicant, Tim Bartlett,presented samples of the actual mosaic tile letters. 2 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 Action: It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to approve the business identification signage as submitted. Motion carried 6-0. 3. CASE NO.: 4727 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BEST SIGNS, INC. for DEEP CANYON TENNIS CLUB, 2600 So. Cherokee Way, Palm Springs, CA 92262; DEEP CANYON TENNIS CLUB, 73-120 Frank Feltrop Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of free standing monument sign at entry LOCATION: 73-120 Frank Feltrop Drive ZONE: PR-7 S.P. Martin Alvarez presented colored renderings of the proposed free standing sign to be placed at the entrance to Deep Canyon Tennis Club off Highway 74. He indicated that the sign is a 4'x 10' double sided monument sign with gold letters on a green background. Action It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to approve the free standing monument sign subject to the applicant obtaining an encroachment permit from the public works department. Motion carried 6-0. 4. CASE NO.: 4728 SA (1341 SA) APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ARCHITECTURAL NEON& SIGN CO. for WORLD GYM FITNESS CENTER, 74-990 Joni Drive, Suite No. 3C, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration of request for illuminated sign on north elevation facing Fred Waring Drive LOCATION: 111 Town Center ZONE: P.C. (3) 3 1 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 Steve Smith reported that the fitness center would be moving into the north building of the 111 Town Center. He indicated that Festival Management processed a request in 1995 for a new sign program but that the current architect did not want to use this sign program so they reverted back to the original sign program which was individual channel letters with lighting through the face. He added that part of the original approval in 1985 limited the signage on the north side of the building facing Fred Waring Drive to non-illuminated letters. The World Gym Fitness Center will be asking the city council to waive this non- illuminated requirement. Mr. Smith indicated that the commission's position on the proposed signage would be a recommendation to the city council because they are the ones who limited the signage to non-illuminated letters on the north elevation. Mr. Smith noted that One Quail Place had just been completed when this project was approved and therefore the landscaping at the apartment complex was not as lush as it is today. Commissioner Gregory asked if a rheostat could be installed to control the intensity. He felt that the landscaping at One Quail Place was so lush now that the proposed sign would not be seen from the apartment complex. Mr. Smith stated that the proposed sign is their registered trademark in red and black. He added that the commission could not prevent them from installing a sign with their registered trademark but this does not mean that it has to be the size they are requesting and it does not mean that it has to be illuminated. Mr. Smith continued to say that the size allowed for signage is reduced by 20% for each of the trademark colors which are added to an approved sign program. Commissioner Urrutia felt that reverse channel lit letters would be acceptable in their trademark colors. The applicant, Gary Wright, felt that this would be inconsistent with the rest of the signs in the center. Commissioner Urrutia felt that this would not matter, as the sign on the north elevation would not be visible when viewing the rest of the signage in the center. Mr. Wright asked if it would be acceptable to dim the neon in the sign to make it not so bright as he felt the reverse channel letters would cost more than what the applicant could afford. Commissioner Urrutia thanked Mr. Wright for trying to work with the commission's requests but felt there should be a compromise. Commissioner Gregory agreed with Commissioner Urrutia's suggestion adding that this was a way to add some subtle elegance to the signage. 4 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 Action It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to recommend to the city council to approve the signage on the north elevation in reverse channel lit letters with a maximum 4500 white neon and their registered trademark colors in red and black. Motion carried 6-0. 5. CASE NO.: 4731 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): LITECO SIGNS for TRIBAL TOUCH RUGS &MORE, 72-711 Ramon Road, Suite 3, Thousand Palms, CA 92276 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 73-983 Highway 111 ZONE: C-1 Martin Alvarez presented a colored drawing showing the two proposed signs at Portola Avenue and Highway 111. The one sign proposed for the south elevation would be 1'8" x 16'with black letters on a white background and the east elevation signage would be 1'8" x 8' with black letters on a white background in a single face cabinet. Mr. Alvarez added that the applicant is aware that they will have to remove the sign on the east side of the building if the property to the east is developed. Commissioner Holden felt that the sign on the east elevation should not be placed on the ribbon because is it much larger than the ribbon. He added that it should be either above or under the band. Ms. Garcia stated that the sign approval should be subject to the applicant not putting his furniture out on the sidewalk as he does every weekend. She continued to say that she has spoken to the applicant about this and nothing is being corrected on the weekends. Commissioner Gregory asked what the height was from the sidewalk to the bottom of the fascia on the south elevation. Commissioner Urrutia felt it would look better if individual letters were placed on the band itself as he felt that the can sign did not belong on the building because it interferes with the fascia detail 5 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 on the building. Action It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to approve the sign on the east elevation subject to placing it below the banding. The commission continued the signage request for the north and south elevations as they felt that the size of the can was too big for the space allowed. The commission suggested a narrow can sign at a maximum of 12" high to hang below the fascia or placing individual letters on the face of the band. Motion carried 6-0. 6. CASE NO.: 4732 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STEVE WILLIAMSON for FITIGUES, 15108 Alicante Road, La Mirada, CA 90638 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage and awnings LOCATION: 73-100 El Paseo, Suite 6 ZONE: C-I Steve Smith presented photographs of the building, plans and a sample of the brushed aluminum letters proposed for the building signage. Commissioner Urrutia asked if the proposal included awnings. Mr. Smith indicated that the request included approval of the awnings but staff had not received color or material samples as yet and the applicant was not present. Action It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner Holden, to approve the building signage only as submitted and continued the request for the awnings as the applicant was not present with material and color samples. Motion carried 6-0. 7. CASE NO.: 4734 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ARCHITECTURAL NEON& SIGN CO. for DAKOTA BAR& GRILL, 74-990 Joni Drive, Suite 3C, Palm Desert, CA 92260 6 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of additional business identification signage LOCATION: 73-260 El Paseo ZONE: C-1 Martin Alvarez presented photos of the restaurant outlining the location for the proposed 4' x 7' sign indicating that"Dakota"would be turquoise, "Bar& Grill" would be red and the logo would be white on a brown background. He added that the applicant is asking that the white be considered a non color for the logo (cow head). Mr. Smith indicated that the sign is considered a roof mounted sign, and that the commission could not approve a sign above the roof line. The representative for the applicant, Gary Wright, replied that he was trying to keep in line with the tile roof line. Commissioner Urrutia felt that the applicant should look at other designs as the proposed sign does not fit the long and narrow area they have to work with. Commissioner Gregory asked if there was any room below the awning for the sign placing it more at a pedestrian level. Mr. Wright indicated that there was not. Commissioner Gregory suggested removing the logo and stretching the name out some. Action It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to continue the request directing the applicant to redesign the sign as it did not fit the long,narrow area as proposed and could not be placed above the roof line. Motion carried 6-0. 8. CASE NO.: 4735 SA APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): INTEGRATED SIGN ASSOCIATES for VALLEY INDEPENDENT BANK, 1160 Pioneer Way, Suite M, El Cajon, CA 92020 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business identification signage LOCATION: 42-005 Cook Street 7 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 ZONE: S.I. Steve Smith presented photos of the existing building at the corners of Cook Street, Velie Way and 42nd Avenue indicating the location of the proposed signs. He noted that there is a very evident sign program for the development in copper patina letters. The applicant is asking approval to take down the street numbers on the towers and place the bank identification sign on both sides of the towers. Mr. Smith indicated that the owner of the center has approved the sign proposal. Action It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to approve the exception to the sign program for the building as submitted. Motion carried 6-0. 9. CASE NO.: PP 95-8 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DESIGN DEVELOPMENT for FRED WARING OFFICE PLAZA, 69-730 Highway 111, Suite 118, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of landscaping plan for medical office building LOCATION: South side of Fred Waring Drive between San Pasqual and San Pablo ZONE: O.P. Steve Smith presented the landscape plan for a medical office building for Dr. Shaw at San Pasqual and Fred Waring Drive. He indicated that Eric Johnson made comments on the plan stating that some of the plants identified were not called out on the pallet and that he thought the plan was over planted. Action It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner Urrutia, to approve the landscaping plan as submitted. Motion carried 5-0-1, Commissioner Gregory Abstaining. 8 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 Preliminary Plans: 1. CASE NO.: PP 86-28, Amendment No. 2 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVID GEISER c/o MCG ARCHITECTS for I I I TOWN CENTER, 4180 La Jolla Village, La Jolla, CA 92037 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised preliminary elevations LOCATION: I I I Town Center ZONE: P.C. (3) S.P. Steve Smith presented the revised preliminary elevations for Best Buy noting that at their last meeting the commission asked them to break up the building and provide more shading. Commissioner Urrutia stated that they wanted them to stretch the trellis structure out more. Commissioner Gregory agreed and felt that the trellis looked like an add on. Commissioner Holden added that they wanted the trellis to extend to cover the service areas. Commissioner Urrutia asked if the trellis was wood because the commission suggested that they use a more contemporary material and to get away from the spanish style look. Commissioner O'Donnell added that he was looking for more of a contemporary steel grill work at the entry. Commissioner Urrutia noted that the entrance to Best Buy is a real departure from the rest of the centers design and felt that the entire building should have this contemporary design. Action It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to continue the revised preliminary elevations for Best Buy directing the applicant to extend the trellis structure one bay to the north and one bay to the south and to change the trellis style to a more contemporary design eliminating the exposed ends of the trellis beams creating more of a horizontal beam/fascia. Motion carried 6-0. 9 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 C. Miscellaneous: 1. CASE NO.: TT 27882 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS JASCORP, 119 Via Scena, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of interior perimeter wall LOCATION: Merano Homes located north and east of the northeast corner of Country Club Drive and Monterey Avenue ZONE: PR-7 Steve Smith reported that the case still continues as no agreement has been made. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to continue the case as requested by the applicant. Motion carried 6-0. 2. CASE NO.: TT 24984-2 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): FOXX DEVELOPMENT CORP. for THE GROVE, 73-111 El Paseo, Suite 200, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Report on City Council action of October 10, 1996 LOCATION: The Grove ZONE: PR-5 Steve Smith reminded the commission that this was regarding solar protection on the east and west elevations of the homes to be built in the last phase of The Grove. Mr. Smith reported that Mr. Foxx appealed the A.R.C.'s action of September 24, 1996 requiring solar protection stating that Title 24 has changed twice since 1991 when the original homes at The Grove were built. Mr. Foxx felt that his homes met the current Title 24 requirements and are far more energy 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OCTOBER 22, 1996 efficient than the homes built in 1991. Mr. Smith stated that on a 3-2 vote, the council granted the appeal. No action was taken by the A.R.C. 3. CASE NO.: CUP 96-18 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): McFADDEN &Mc1NTOSH ARCHITECTS for CAM'S CORNER, 73-929 Larrea Street, Suite IA, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Receive and file written documentation received from applicant LOCATION: Northwest corner of Highway I I I and Deep Canyon ZONE: C-1 Mr. Smith indicated that the commission received a copy of a faxmittal from Mr. Chris McFadden and suggested that the commission receive and file it. Commissioner Holden stated for the record that the document would not be considered as part of the minutes. Action It was moved by Commissioner Urrutia, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell, to receive and file the documentation received from Mr. Chris McFadden dated October 14, 1996. Motion carried 6-0. IV. ADJOURNMENT: The meeting was adjourned at 1:25 p.m. Z�i J,,S�w S E SMITH PLANNING MANAGER S S/db 11