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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
Commissioners Present Current Meetina Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Wayne Connor X 4
Ronald Gregory X 3 1
Richard Holden X 3 1
Richard O'Donnell X 4
Frank Urrutia X 3 1
Chris Van Vliet X 4
Staff Present Philip Drell, Director of Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Martin Alvarez, Assistant Planner
Steve Buchanan, Senior Plans Examiner
Daisy Garcia, Code Enforcement Officer
Kim Chafin, Senior Office Assistant
11. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to
approve the minutes of the February 10, 1998 meeting as submitted. Motion carried
4-0-1, with Chairman Gregory abstaining and Commissioners O'Donnell and Urrutia
absent.
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
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IV. CASES
A. Final Drawings
1. CASE NO.: SA 98-17
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): FEDERAL SIGN for CALIFORNIA PIZZA
KITCHEN, 1526 Brookhollow Drive, Suite 70, Santa Ana, CA 92705
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of new business
identification signage
LOCATION: 73-080 EI Paseo, #7
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith reported that the Commission reviewed the proposed signage at
its February 10, 1998 meeting, and continued the case so that the
Commissioners could take a look at the signage at Starbuck's, which is
similar to the signage proposed.
Commissioner Holden stated that he has a problem with letters that light up.
Dave Fletcher, the property owner, indicated that he would like a sign with
a visibly lit face rather than channel letters, and the business originally
proposed an open channel letter with exposed neon, but he feels there is
already too much exposed neon along EI Paseo.
Chairman Gregory asked if the Commission's concerns relate to translucent
letters which are back lit at night, to which Commissioner Holden responded
affirmatively and added that he would prefer a more subtle look.
Chairman Gregory suggested using a dimming device to tone down the
intensity to a level acceptable by City staff.
Mr. Fletcher stated that, as proposed, the illumination is 0.65 to 1.3 foot
candles from 10 feet away.
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Commissioner Van Vliet felt that individual letters would look best.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet, to approve the new business identification signage with the condition
that individual letters be used and installed with rheostat to tone down the
intensity, if necessary. Motion carried 4-1, with Commissioner Holden
dissenting and Commissioner Urrutia absent.
2. CASE NO.: 4969 SA
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): IMPERIAL SIGN CO., INC. for CAM'S
CORNER, 46-120 Calhoun Street, Indio, CA 92201
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of additional
signage
LOCATION: 74-478 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith reported that the Commission reviewed this application at its
February 10, 1998 meeting, and the request includes a "Sub City" sign on
the east side of the building, along with other verbiage, and also includes
signage on the tower facing Highway 111. Issues arose as to how the
"Around Back" sign came to exist, and the case was continued to allow the
applicant to re-evaluate his sign program.
Mr. Smith indicated that he met with Cameron Nevins, the property owner,
and suggested that he prioritize his signs and be prepared to eliminate some
signage in favor of other signage, if necessary.
Mr. Nevins indicated that he understands the "Around Back" sign is not
looked upon favorably; so it can be removed.
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Chairman Gregory suggested that Mr. Nevins orchestrate his sign program,
and asked how many entities are being signed on the building, to which Mr.
Nevins replied that there are three. Chairman Gregory asked if all three
businesses want visibility on all sides of the building, to which Mr. Nevins
responded negatively and noted that the convenience store and Mail Bag
store are taken care of because they are easily visible from Highway 111, but
the Sub City store is located to the rear of the building and needs more
exposure.
Commissioner Holden asked if it would be possible to place a Sub City sign
on the Cam's Corner monument, to which Mr. Nevins replied that it wouldn't
work well because the signage needs to be up high to be seen from Highway
111.
Commissioner Holden noted that the signs previously approved were
designed to fit in with the architecture of the building, but the proposed
signage would have to be forced into places such as the facia.
Chairman Gregory indicated that the Commission is reluctant to have
signage on the architecture, which is the reason it is preferable not to have
signage high up in the air; so it would be best to find another spot which is
not on the building itself in order to avoid using the building as a billboard.
Commissioner Connor cautioned that when the Mesquite trees reach
maturity, they will block the signage.
Chairman Gregory emphasized the importance of having a building which
looks nice architecturally, especially since there is always a bias against gas
stations; so he would suggest that the applicant work with the Commission
to develop alternatives to the proposed signage.
Commissioner Connor asked if a monument sign will be installed, to which
Mr. Smith replied that a monument sign was approved for the Alessandro
side, but it will be difficult to see from a vehicle on Highway 111.
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Chairman Gregory asked if a monument sign could be placed on Highway
111 , to which Mr. Smith responded negatively and explained that there is
already one for the gas station, but it is conceivable that the existing
monument sign could be redesigned.
Chairman Gregory indicated he would like to visit the site to consider how the
signs could be best arranged, because this proposal has clearly reached an
impasse.
Chairman Gregory noted that he would have no problems with the east side
of the building if the "Around Back" sign were removed.
Commissioner Van Vliet expressed opposition to using can signs for this
development.
Commissioner Gregory suggested that it may be possible to use indirect
illumination rather than having a raceway.
Mr. Nevins commented that a raceway could be plastered and painted to
match the building, and would only be six inches thick so as not to protrude
from the building very much and only be noticeable from the side. Mark
Ross of Imperial Sign added that the raceway could be detailed like the
tower element. Commissioner Holden stated that it still would not tie into
what already exists.
Chairman Gregory asked how the sign would be lit internally to avoid glare,
to which Mr. Ross responded that a quartz light could pointed at the sign, but
that would not be as vivid as an interna�ly lit sign. Mr. Ross noted that it
would be possible to add a facia onto the existing facia and use plaster and
wood.
Mr. Smith proposed that the Commission approve the request with the
condition that it not include a raceway, and that the applicant be allowed to
choose whether or not to illuminate the sign without using a raceway.
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Commissioner O'Donnell asked what will happen if the signage does not
lead to increased business, to which Mr. Nevins responded that he will have
then wasted $5,000 on signage, but added that he believes the existing
banner has increased traffic flow by 25%.
Chairman Gregory liked Commissioner Holden's proposal to use individual
non-illuminated letters indirectly lit by a light on an arm in front shining on the
sign.
Mr. Ross asked for the Commission's opinion on using a whole new facia
with an access panel underneath, to which Commissioner Van Vliet
responded that he doesn't think it is possible.
Action:
It was moved by Chairman Gregory, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet,
to approve an illuminated or non-illuminated facia mounted east facing sign
using individual channel letters. If the applicant chooses to use external
illumination, approval of fixture shall be obtained from the Architectural
Review Commission prior to installation. Motion carried 4-1, with
Commissioner Connor dissenting and Commissioner Urrutia absent.
Action:
It was moved by Chairman Gregory, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet,
to continue approval of the signage fronting Highway 111 so that the
Commissioners may visit the site in an attempt to develop alternatives.
Motion carried 4-1, with Commissioner Holden dissenting and Commissioner
Urrutia absent.
3. CASE NO.: SA 98-23
APPLICANT�AND ADDRESS): PALMS TO PINES CANVAS for ADAMS
BAY, 69 Pinyon Pines, Mountain Center, CA 92501
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Awning with signage
LOCATION: 73-199 EI Paseo
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Mr. Smith reported that the Commission reviewed this application at its
February 10, 1998 meeting and made suggestions for revision, and the
applicant has resubmitted the plans which show an awning similar in shape,
height and width to the adjacent awning at Leed's.
Ernie Brooks noted that Leed's awning is blue with white letters and is
illuminated, while this awning will be taupe with black letters and will not be
illuminated. Mr. Brooks added that the owner of Leed's has no objections to
the proposed awning.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner Holden,
to approve the dome-shaped awning with signage. Motion carried 5-0, with
Commissioner Urrutia absent.
4. CASE NO.: SA 98-27
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PARAGON SIGNS for McGOWAN'S
IRISH INN, 77-650 Enfield Lane, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Business identification
signage
LOCATION: 73-340 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Alvarez reported that the business is located on the north side of
Highway 111, and the applicant wishes to add a three-foot parapet to the
building which will extend the length of the building, and add 20-inch channel
letters with neon tubing on either side.
Commissioner Holden suggested that the neon tube be recessed into stucco.
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner O'Donnell, seconded by Commissioner
Holden, to approve the business identification signage subject to the facia
being finished with stucco to match the existing color and to recess the neon
into the stucco. Motion carried 5-0, with Commissioner Urrutia absent.
5. CASE NO.: CUP 98-1
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): COX COMMUNICATIONS PCS, LP,
18200 Von Karman, Irvine, CA 92612
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of an unmanned
telecommunication antenna on top of an existing building
LOCATION: 73-345 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1 (SP)
Mr. Alvarez reported that the request is to place three unmanned
telecommunication antennae and an associated mechanical building on top
of the building occupied by Dr. Shaw's office at 73-345 Highway 111, and
one antenna would face south,while the other finro would face east and west,
respectively.
Commissioner Holden clarified that the antennae are actually proposed to be
affixed to the wall rather than the roof, and the mechanical building is
proposed to be placed on the roof.
Barbara Lara of Cox Communications noted that the antennae need to be
on the edge of the roof so that the radio waves can be most effective.
Commissioner Holden expressed concern regarding the visibility of the
equipment from Highway 111, and Chairman Gregory suggested that the
equipment be moved back somewhat from the edge.
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Commissioner Holden asked if the equipment could be screened, to which
the representative from Cox Communications responded that screening
could be installed to match the building exterior, but it would exceed the
City's height limit.
Chairman Gregory suggested that this case be continued to allow the
applicant an opportunity to prepare alternatives that will work technically and
also be aesthetically acceptable.
Commissioner Holden indicated that he is most concerned about the
equipment which would be visible from Highway 111.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked about the height of the mechanical
equipment, to which the representative from Cox Communications indicated
that it is 10 feet high. Mr. Smith noted that the existing building is already at
the maximum allowable height (30 feet) so the mechanical building will need
to be relocated.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner O'Donnell, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet, to continue the case. Motion carried 4-0, with Commissioners Connor
and Urrutia absent.
6. CASE NO.: CUP 96-28, TT 28450 and TT 28451
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): INTRAWEST RESORT OWNERSHIP
CORPORATION, The Landing, Suite 326, 375 Water Street, Vancouver,
B.C.
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of final working
drawings for an amenity building, sales building and timeshare units
LOCATION: Frank Sinatra Drive south to Country Club Drive between
Portola Avenue and Cook Street
ZONE: PR-5
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Mr. Buchanan presented the final working drawings for the timeshare units,
sales building and amenities building, and indicated that the final working
drawings match the previously approved preliminary plans.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hofden, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet, to approve the final working drawings for an amenity building, sales
building and timeshare units. Motion carried 4-0, with Commissioners
Cannor and Urrutia abstaining.
7. CASE NO.: PP 84-39 Amendment#1
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): LEEDS & STRAUSS for VACATION INN,
11975 EI Camino Real, #103, San Diego, CA 92103
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of final working
drawings for hotel remodel/addition
LOCATION: 74-695 Highway 111
ZONE: P.C.(4)
Mr. Buchanan presented the final working drawings for the hotel
remodel/addition and indicated that the final working drawings match the
previously approved preliminary plans.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner O'Donnell, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet, to approve the final working drawings for the hotel remodel/addition.
Motion carried 3-0-1, with Commissioner Holden abstaining and
Commissioners Connor and Urrutia absent.
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8. CASE NO.: PP 97-8
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESSI: O. MICHAEL HOMME, P.O. Box 258,
Palm Desert, CA 92261
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of final working
drawings for 12,500 square foot single-story professional office/medical
building
LOCATION: North side of Fred Waring Drive between Monterey Avenue
and Acacia Drive
ZONE: O.P.
Mr. Buchanan presented the final working drawings and indicated that they
match the previously approved preliminary plans.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner
O'Donnell, to approve the final working drawings for the 12,500 square foot
single-story professional office/medical building. Motion carried 3-0-1, with
Commissioner Holden abstaining and Commissioners Connor and Urrutia
absent.
9. CASE NO.: C 97-17
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): U.S. FILTER, 44-004 COOK STREET,
PALM DESERT CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of final working
drawings for a 4,500 square feet of office/storage space addition
LOCATION: 44-004 Cook Street
ZONE: PR-4
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Mr. Buchanan presented the final working drawings and indicated that they
match the previously approved preliminary plans.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner
O'Donnell, to approve the final working drawings for the 4,500 square feet
of office/storage space addition. The motion carried 5-0, with Commissioner
Urrutia absent.
10. CASE NO.:
APPLICANT�AND ADDRESS): BERNARD DEBONNE for PAINE
WEBBER, P.O. BOX 1935, Palm Desert CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of wall sign at
entry
LOCATION: Parcel 1, Map No. 28596 located on the north side of Highway
111, 1320 feet east of Deep Canyon Road
ZONE: O.P.
Mr. Smith reported that the proposal is for a wall with signage at the entry to
the office/industrial park east of Embassy Suites Hotel.
Robert Sundstrom indicated that anodized bronze lettering will be used, and
will be illuminated via landscape lighting. The signage is similar to the sign
program for Paine Webber. The walls will be 42 inches high with tile at either
end, and the sign will match the architectural style for the entire center. The
color scheme is the same as the color scheme for the two buildings fronting
Highway 111.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Connor,
to approve the wall and sign at the entry to the office park. Motion carried
5-0, with Commissioner Urrutia absent.
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11. CASE NO.: MISC 98-2
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): KRISTI HANSON ARCHITECTS for
SUNLITE DEVELOPMENT, INC., 68-898 Hermosillo Road, Cathedral City,
CA 92234
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of 18-foot high
residence
LOCATION: 73-116 Crosby Lane
ZONE: R-1 (20,000)
Mr. Smith clarified that the proposed residence will be 17'6", and most of the
other homes in the area are 16 feet, but the height limit is 18 feet.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner O'Donnell, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet, to approve the 17'6" high residence.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: CUP 97-15
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): H.N. and FRANCES C. BERGER
FOUNDATION, P.O. Box 13390, Palm Desert, CA 92255
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of
building and landscape plans for a 24,543 square foot corporate office
LOCATION: Northeast corner of Cook Street and Sheryl Avenue
ZONE: S-I
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Mr. Smith reported that the Commission requested that the setbacks be
increased when the project was initially reviewed, and the applicant did
comply with the request. Upon review of the revised plans, the Commission
was still unsatisfied that the massive appearance of the building had been
sufficiently reduced, and granted conceptual approval subject to the building
being lowered into the ground an additional four feet. The applicant has
submitted new plans which do not include lowering the building into the
ground an additional four feet, and requests that the Commission reconsider
its decision.
Mr. Smith noted that the lower level of the garage is shown at 64, which is
still four feet above the curb line, and the Commission's goal was that the
garage be set at 60.
Anton Berkett represented the applicant and stated that the building is set
back 116 feet from the street corner, and if the building were lowered into the
ground by four feet, the rear of the building would be below Cook Street, and
the client prefers to keep the garage exposed by four feet for ventilation
purposes.
Commissioner Holden noted that the other option is to reduce the building
height by four feet, to which Mr. Berkett responded that it would result in the
elimination of one story. Commissioner Holden asked about the floor to floor
height, to which Mr. Berkett responded 12 feet. Commissioner Holden
suggested that it be reduced 10 feet.
Commissioner O'Donnell recalled that Mr. Berkett was previously receptive
to the Commission's suggestion to lower the building into the ground by four
additional feet, to which Mr. Berkett replied that he thought the Commission
was only referring to the front of the building, and there is a slope to
consider.
Chairman Gregory asked if the building will be 37 feet tall, to which Mr.
Berkett replied that it will be 27 feet tall, but it will be 10 feet higher than the
top of the curb at Cook and Sheryl, and the building will be set back 41 feet
from the curb at Sheryl, where the building will be 34 feet tall.
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Chairman Gregory wondered if it would be better to move the building back
further from the curb, to which Commissioner Van Vliet replied that it would
depend on how far back the building is moved. Mr. Berkett noted that the
building was originally proposed at 96 feet from the corner, but that setback
was increased 20 feet as a result of the Commission's concerns regarding
the massive appearance of the structure.
Chairman Gregory asked if the applicant would be willing to move the
building back further, to which Mr. Berkett responded negatively.
Chairman Gregory asked if the applicant would be willing to move the
building back more and re-arrange the parking so that more of the spaces
are located in the front, to which Mr. Berkett replied that he submitted a
parking plan today.
Mr. Smith noted that the applicant has requested Planning Commission
approval to install 60 parking spaces only and to bond for completion of the
other spaces because the applicant's business will only have 16 employees;
so it would be overkill to provide the 90 spaces required by code. The
applicant submitted a plan depicting how the parking would be arranged if
there was a different user in the building which needed more parking spaces.
Chairman Gregory noted that the Commission is trying to work with the
applicant, who has refused to make the changes requested, to which Mr.
Berkett replied that the owner feels that the code requirements have been
met, and the building is below the height limit and 48% of the site will be
landscaped.
Chairman Gregory commented that it is a shame the applicant is unwilling
to move the building back because then the project would work, and added
that he feels the applicant is being unreasonable and should appear before
the Commission and attempt to work things out.
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Commissioner Holden felt that the building should be lowered, to which Mr.
Berkett replied that an additional four feet would not make a difference.
Commissioner Holden asked why there is unwillingness to lower the building
by four feet if it makes no difference, because it obviously makes a difference
to the Commission, and added that there are other ways to get ventilation
and circulation.
Chairman Gregory expressed frustration that the applicant has presented a
take it or leave it position, because he feels that things can be worked out.
Commissioner Holden noted that the suggestion to lower the building into the
ground by four additional feet was a compromise on the Commission's part,
because it certainly wasn't an ideal solution as far as the Commission was
concerned.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Connor, seconded by Commissioner Holden,
to re-affirm its previous action of February 10, 1998. Motion carried 5-0, with
Commissioner Urrutia absent.
Mr. Smith indicated that an appeal to the City Council can be filed within 15
days, and added that the upcoming Planning Commission action is separate
from today's action.
Commissioner O'Donnell left the meeting at 2:07 p.m.
2. CASE NO.: PP 97-12, CZ 97-11
APPLICANT�AND ADDRESS): F & M ASSOCIATES, 2041 San Remo
Drive, Laguna Beach, CA 92651
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Review of revised plans
for a commercial retail center
LOCATION: Northeast corner of Monterey Avenue and Country Club Drive
ZONE: PR-7
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Mr. Smith reported that scale of the drawings presented to the Commission
at its last meeting was too small to discern the articulation; so the applicant
has submitted revised drawings on a larger scale.
Mr. Mahoney commented that the Commission had indicated there was not
enough vertical play on the Sav-On building, so changes were made to add
articulation and trellis structures. A tower entry element was added to the
Sav-On building, as well as a tower element at the corner and trellises to the
east and south elevation. On the rear of the Sav-On building, a longer trellis
structure has been introduced.
Mr. Mahoney pointed out that all of the tower elements are as low as
possible on the Luckys building, and more detail has been added to the
corner elements. An architectural element has been added to the entry of
the Luckys building to break up the wafl.
Chairman Gregory asked why signs are shown by the side and rear
elevations of the Sav-On building, but not the front, to which Mr. Mahoney
responded that trees have been added at the building corners.
Chairman Gregory commented that the trellis on the south elevation of the
Sav-On building looks like a "token"trellis rather than a functioning structure,
to which Mr. Mahoney replied that it can make a nice shady area. Chairman
Gregory hoped that the trellis structures won't end up like the ones at the
Luckys on Highway 111 where the planks are too far apart to provide any
appreciable shade.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Connor,
to grant preliminary approval for the architecture and conceptual approval for
the landscaping, with the condition that the applicant rework the landscape
concept to address the issues discussed. Motion carried 4-0, with
Commissioners O'Donnell and Urrutia absent.
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3. CASE NO.: CUP 97-16
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESSI: MCFADDEN/MCINTOSH ARCHITECTS
for WALGREENS, 73-929 Larrea, Suite 1A, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised
architectural elevations and landscaping
LOCATION: Southeast corner of Monterey Avenue and San Gorgonio
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith reported that several changes have been made pursuant to the
Commission's request. The thickness of the drive-through canopy has been
reduced, and the planter has been extended around the northeast corner of
the building. The loading dock has been angled out further, and the west
driveway has been moved back so that it is 80 feet from Monterey.
Jim Mclntosh noted that a 15-foot by 25-foot' island has been added to the
middle of the east parking lot.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Connor,
to grant preliminary approval for the architectural elevations and landscaping.
Motion carried 4-0, with Commissioners O'Donnell and Urrutia absent.
4. CASE NO.: C 98-2
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): URRUTIA ARCHITECTS for CARLOTTA
RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, P.O. Box 13750, Palm Desert, CA 92255
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary design review
LOCATION: 41-505 Carlotta Drive
ZONE: PR-10
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Mr. Smith reported that this is presented for preliminary and final approval.
The proposal is to redo the wall, entry and porte-cochre.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Holden, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet, to grant final approval for the design. Motion carried 4-0, with
Commissioners O'Donnell and Urrutia absent.
V. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:30 p.m.
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