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Home My WebLink About1999-11-23 PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES **************************************************************************************************** I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. Commissioners Present Current Meetina Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Wayne Connor X 20 2 Ronald Gregory X 18 4 Richard Holden X 19 3 Richard O'Donnell X 20 2 Frank Urrutia X 20 2 Chris Van Vliet X 22 0 Staff Present: Phil Drell, Director of Community Development Steve Smith, Planning Manager Martin Alvarez, Associate Planner Kim Chafin, Senior Office Assistant II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Holden, to approve the minutes of the November 9, 1999 meeting. Motion carried 5-0. III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None. 1 c ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES IV. CASES 1. CASE NO.: SA 99-134 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS PALMS TO PINES CANVAS, 69-640 Sugarloaf Avenue, #69, Mountain Center, CA 92561 for RENAISSANCE SURGERY CENTER, 73-180 El Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of illuminated awning with signage LOCATION: 73-180 El Paseo ZONE: C-1 Ernie Brooks of Palms to Pines Canvas reported that the proposed circular domed awning is 14 feet long, seven feet high and four feet wide with a 10- inch border and signage on each side and either four-inch or six-inch square posts. Mr. Brooks explained that the business sells water and vitamins on the side in addition to the surgery center. Commissioner Urrutia objected to the location of the posts in that they would impede pedestrian traffic, with which Commissioner Van Vliet concurred and suggested that no posts be used by cantilevering the awning. Mr. Brooks estimated that the maximum the awning could be cantilevered out from the building would be four feet. Mr. Drell noted that the proposed awning will advertise a non-retail business, and suggested that the original dome be replaced with the awning projecting out approximately three feet. Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to continue the case to allow the applicant to submit detailed plans consistent with the Commission's discussion. The motion carried 5-0. 2. CASE NO.: SA 99-135 2 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): MICHAEL SUN, 460 South Garfield Avenue, #400, Alhambra, CA 91801 for VEGGIE & TEA HOUSE, 72-281 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of internally illuminated cabinet sign with exposed neon LOCATION: 72-281 Highway 111 ZONE: PC-4 Mr. Alvarez reported that the applicant is requesting approval of business identification signage for a new restaurant located within the Los Sombras Shopping Center. The new business is located next to Bananaz and the Olive Garden Restaurant. In June of 1999, the shopping center received approval of a master sign program which allows for wall signage in the form of 18-inch individual channel letters without raceways on both the parking lot and Highway 111 elevations. The request also includes a 27-inch by 45-inch internally illuminated logo cabinet sign. The applicant requests approval of two signs which are inconsistent with the approved sign program. The sign on the parking lot elevation consists of 22- inch high individual letters outlined with green exposed neon and mounted on a raceway. The proposed sign facing Highway 111 is identical to the parking lot sign, but is mounted on a parapet wall above the eave of the building. Signs located about an eave line of a building are prohibited by the City's sign ordinance. Staff recommends that the Commission approve two signs consistent with the approved sign program: 1)for the parking lot elevation, 18-inch individual channel letters mounted without a raceway; and 2) for the Highway 111 elevation, 18-inch individual channel letters mounted below the eave of the building. Michael Sun commented that the signs were designed to include the logo, and he would like it to be illuminated, and would like the letters to have a three-dimensional appearance by using raised lettering and exposed neon 3 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES surrounding the letters. Commissioner Urrutia noted that the sign program does not allow use of exposed neon, to which Mr. Sun replied that the property owner has approved the proposed design. Commissioner Holden commented that the Commission has previously approved internally illuminated logo signage, but he would suggest that the letters on this sign comply with the program, i.e., individual channel letters. Mr. Sun asked if he could be allowed to use exposed neon around the logo, to which Mr. Alvarez responded by suggesting that the sign on the Highway 111 elevation comply with the program, but that the parking lot signage have 18-inch individual channel letters with clear faces and exposed neon though the face, and the logo as proposed, on a sign mounted without a raceway. Action: Commissioner Urrutia moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet: 1) on the Highway 111 elevation, approve signage with 18-inch individual channel letters mounted below the eave of the building or on the wall, with the condition that the signage conform to the center's sign program; and 2) approve 18-inch individual channel letters with clear faces and exposed neon though the face, and the logo as proposed, on a sign mounted without a raceway. The motion carried 5-0. 3. CASE NO.: SA 99-76 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS A&S ENGINEERING for CIRCLE K, 207 W. Alameda Avenue #203, Burbank, CA 91502 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised plans for an existing fascia, installation of one building sign and reface of one monument sign LOCATION: 45-200 Portola Avenue ZONE: C-1 4 +" ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES Mr. Alvarez reported that the fascia remodel and signage requests for both the Circle K locations in Palm Desert have been continued on three occasions. The Commission continued both requests to allow the applicant to revise the plans in order to achieve a more compatible design with the City's current architectural standards. The applicant at this time would like decisions made on the exact same design requests for both Circle K locations,which the Commission continued at the October 28, 1999 meeting. Staff recommends that the Commission deny the request for both Circle K locations based on their incompatible design with the City's current architectural standards. Action: Commissioner Holden moved, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to deny the revised plans for the following reasons: 1) the proposed design did not enhance the building or screen the roof-mounted equipment; 2)the proposed design was not compatible with the City's current architectural standards; 3) the proposed design was not integral to the building, i.e., appeared to merely be a facade mounted onto the front of the building; and 4) the applicant ignored the Commission's previous recommendations to enlist the assistance of an architect. The motion carried 5-0. 4. CASE NO.: SA 99-78 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS- A&S ENGINEERING for CIRCLE K, 207 W. Alameda Avenue #203, Burbank, CA 91502 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised plans for an existing fascia, installation of one building sign and reface of one monument sign LOCATION: 44-775 San Pablo ZONE: C-1 Mr. Alvarez reported that the fascia remodel and signage requests for both the Circle K locations in Palm Desert have been continued on three occasions. The Commission continued both requests to allow the applicant 5 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES Mr. Alvarez reported that the fascia remodel and signage requests for both the Circle K locations in Palm Desert have been continued on three occasions. The Commission continued both requests to allow the applicant to revise the plans in order to achieve a more compatible design with the City's current architectural standards. The applicant at this time would like decisions made on the exact same design requests for both Circle K locations,which the Commission continued at the October 28, 1999 meeting. Staff recommends that the Commission deny the request for both Circle K locations based on their incompatible design with the City's current architectural standards. Action: Commissioner Holden moved, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to deny the revised plans for the following reasons: 1) the proposed design did not enhance the building or screen the roof-mounted equipment; 2)the proposed design was not compatible with the City's current architectural standards; 3) the proposed design was not integral to the building, i.e., appeared to merely be a facade mounted onto the front of the building; and 4) the applicant ignored the Commission's previous recommendations to enlist the assistance of an architect. The motion carried 5-0. 4. CASE NO.: SA 99-78 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSY A&S ENGINEERING for CIRCLE K, 207 W. Alameda Avenue #203, Burbank, CA 91502 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised plans for an existing fascia, installation of one building sign and reface of one monument sign LOCATION: 44-775 San Pablo ZONE: C-1 Mr. Alvarez reported that the fascia remodel and signage requests for both the Circle K locations in Palm Desert have been continued on three occasions. The Commission continued both requests to allow the applicant 5 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES to revise the plans in order to achieve a more compatible design with the City's current architectural standards. The applicant at this time would like decisions made on the exact same design requests for both Circle K locations,which the Commission continued at the October 28, 1999 meeting. Staff recommends that the Commission deny the request for both Circle K locations based on their incompatible design with the City's current architectural standards. Action: Commissioner Holden moved, seconded by Commissioner Connor, to deny the revised plans for the following reasons: 1) the proposed design did not enhance the building or screen the roof-mounted equipment; 2)the proposed design was not compatible with the City's current architectural standards; 3) the proposed design was not integral to the building, i.e., appeared to merely be a facade mounted onto the front of the building; and 4) the applicant ignored the Commission's previous recommendations to enlist the assistance of an architect. The motion carried 5-0. 5. CASE NO.: MISC 99-18 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSL LEE SIMMONS, 77-671 Malone Circle, Palm Desert, CA 92211 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to replace an existing 6-foot wood fence with a new 6-foot wood fence LOCATION: 74-111 Erin Street ZONE: R-1 (9,000) Mr. Alvarez reported that the applicant requests approval of an exception to replace an existing six-foot wood fence with a new six-foot fence located 7'6" from the face of curb. The fence would be located within a street side yard at 74-111 Erin Street. The ordinance requires walls/fences within street side yards facing a public right-of-way to have a minimum 12-foot setback from the face of curb and that the wall material be a decorative type, i.e., slump stone, split face or a stucco finish. 6 taw ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 23, 1999 MINUTES Staff recommends approval of the setback reduction since the wall will be inside the property line and there are other walls in the neighborhood with similar setbacks. Staff recommends that the Commission approval a wall material that is consistent with the City's ordinance by approving a decorative block or stucco finish. Staff recommends that the Commission approve a six-foot decorative block wall, i.e., slump stone, split face or a stucco finish, with a minimum setback of seven feet from face of curb. Commissioner Urrutia noted that wood material is not acceptable because it does not last long in this environment, and indicated that he would be supportive of the staff recommendation. Action: Commissioner Urrutia moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet, to approve a six-foot decorative block wall (slump stone, split face or a stucco finish), with a minimum setback of seven feet from face of curb. The motion carried 5-0. V. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 1:30 p.m. STEVE SMITH PLANNING MANAGER 7