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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-01-22 � , �r�' `�r�` �'"��'� � CITY OF PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION ••. , MINUTES JAN UARY 22, 2002 *****�****************�********************�*******************,�*******************,�************ I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:25 p.m. II. ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ronald Gregory, Chairman X � � Kristi Hanson X 2 0 Neil Lingle X � � Richard O'Donnell X 2 0 Chris Van Vliet X 2 0 John Vuksic X 2 0 Also Present: Phil Drell, Director, Community Development Steve Smith, Planning Manager Martin Alvarez, Associate Planner Tony Bagato, Planning Technician Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant Spencer Knight, Landscape Manager Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: January 8, 2002 Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to approve the minutes of January 8, 2002. The motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. IV• ORAL COMMUNICATIONS A. None. 1 ` �� � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES A. Final Drawinqs 1. CASE NO.: SA 02-02 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: 28K SIGN MFG. CORP., 1406 Virginia Ave., Suite 103, Baldwin Park, CA 91706 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of channel letter signs with accent strips. LOCATION: 72-600 Dinah Shore Drive. Pak Inn BufFet Restaurant ZONE: P.C. (3) Mr. Smith stated that this request is for approval of business signage with 24" high red lettering with gold trim caps on the east-facing sign over the main entrance. Staff feels that the 24" high lettering for the east elevation would be acceptable. The second part of the request is for red and green neon tubing, which will run to the ends of the building, north and south of the entry sign. On the south elevation, facing Dinah Shore, the applicant is requesting 30" high red channel letters with gold trim cap. The diagram shows red and green tubing under it, which has been changed and will not be installed on the south elevation. The south-facing sign will be mounted on the building in the approximate location on the photograph, which was included in the packets. Signage size limits comply with code and staff is recommending that it be approved. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he is confused on where the signs will be placed. It is very difficult to tell by the drawings and photos. Mr. Smith stated that they are proposing two signs. The signage on the east elevation is 13' wide, total. It will have a 9" border on the top and 9" on the bottom with 6" in the middle. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the photos showing the signage are out of scale. Commissioner O'Donnell commented that the Commission has not been provided with a really good plan in detail to show exactly where the signage is going. The Commission is requesting that the exact signs be drawn to scale. Commissioner Hanson stated that the neon stripes are fine, as the theater across the street uses neon as well. The applicant was told that if he wants to change the color of the building, he would have to submit exterior color samples for approval. G:PlanninglDonna Quaiver\wpdocsWgminWR020108min.wpd 2 • , . � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES Mr. Smith stated that on the east elevation above the entry to the top is 6' in height. The signage width is less than 15'. Mr. Smith suggested approving that sign with a maximum 24" letter provided that we are assured of a minimum 9" border on both the top and bottom and a minimum border on each side. If the applicant cannot meet the minimum border in each area, then he could possibly use 20" letters. On the south elevation, a minimum border could be specified on the top with a minimum border on the east end as well. The Commission agreed that they still need to see the signage drawn to scale. Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson to grant approval contingent on staff review. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 2. CASE NO.: SA 02-04 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSI• D.G.I. SIGNS, INC., P.O. Box 1770, La Quinta, CA 92253 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of identification signage. LOCATION: 78001 Country Club Drive, SURE SAVE SELF STORAGE ZONE: P.C.(2), FCOZ Mr. Smith stated that the proposed signage includes a monument sign which is 6' in height, two smaller monument entry signs and three wall signs with 3'/2' high individual channel letters. The colors are red, which is shown on the colored plan with gold trim caps and gold return. The building is a long structure on an 8.5 acre site and is entitled to a large sign. There is a proposed sign on the north-facing wall at the west end, one on the office facing west, one on the south end at the east corner, and three free-standing signs. Commissioner Vuksic asked if the structure that the letters are mounted on is an aluminum cabinet. The applicant, Skip Berg, stated that he was planning on building it out of aluminum with reverse channel letters. The base on the bottom of the large monument sign will be aluminum as well. The concrete-based signs are for the entry areas. Commissioner Vuksic wondered why some signs have a concrete base and the large sign has an aluminum base. Mr. Berg stated that this G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgminWR020108min.wpd 3 ' � � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES was a request by the owner, but he felt that they would be flexible with this. Mr. Smith stated that in the commercial center on the north side of Country Club, the City does require that those businesses use reverse channel letters facing Country Club. Commissioner Hanson commented that the building signage is over scaled and wants to know why they need two monument signs on Country Club as well as the large building sign. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the elongated letters on the monument sign may make it more difficult to read. It may be easier to read if the letters were reduced in scale slightly so that there is a little bit more "room to breath" on that surface. Mr. Berg stated that he did not see a problem with making that change. Commissioner Vuksic and Commissioner Hanson both agreed that the end view of the monument sign looks like a stage front and is chopped off on the back. He suggested taking the base elements and carrying them around as they will be visible. Commissioner Hanson stated that the same thing should be done on the entry sign and also round the top like on the large monument sign. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if there was really a need for an entry sign. He felt that it is obvious where the entry to the building is. Commissioner Hanson suggested eliminating the monument sign on the north elevation. She feels that three signs on one road is excessive. The sign over the office and on Harris Lane are probably necessary, however, they both have to come down in scale as the lettering is too big. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the signage should be laid out on the building in detail. Commissioner Hanson stated that they should give themselves some room on either side and from top to bottom. Commissioner Vuksic stated that on the drawings, the lettering is so close to the ends that it looks like iYs crammed on. Mr. Berg inquired as to whether staff could handle this issue if he drew the signage out to scale, as they are opening the facility in February. Commissioner Vuksic suggested having staff fax a copy of the proposed signage to the Commission members for comment. The wall signs have to be proportionate to the building with reverse channel lettering. Commissioner Hanson suggested using exterior lighting to illuminate the monument signs. G:PlanninglDonna Quaiver\wpdocs�,4gminWR020108min.wpd 4 . � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES Mr. Berg asked if the base on the entry sign could be aluminum. The Commission stated that it would be fine if they used a stucco finish. Mr. Berg also asked about using an exposed raceway, which was not acceptable to the Commission. The owner of the building asked if he could have the opportunity to choose between the sign on the northern wall versus the monument sign. Commissioner Hanson stated that this would be okay as long as they follow the same guidelines as discussed. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to grant approval subject to (1) eliminate sign on north elevation, (2) reduce lettering to 24" reverse channel lettering on west and south elevations, (3) entry sign to have curved upper edges with a more pronounced concrete base and illuminated on the exterior, and (4) reduce monument sign in size and finish sides and back. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 3. CASE NO.: RV 01-02 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� LERAE MOELLER, P.O. Box 3775, Palrn Desert, CA 92261 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to park RV in driveway. LOCATION: 45-656 Mountain View Avenue ZONE: R-1 12,000 Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant came before the Architectural Review Commission last February. She has been parking her RV in front of her home without screening. She was denied by the ARC last February. Ms. Moeller did not have time to file an appeal with the City Council and she left for Indiana. She has returned to Palm Desert and is here presenting her case. She has an RV parked in front of her , residence with no screening. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that the last time Ms. Moeller came before the ARC, she was unable to resolve the issues of screening the RV. Today the Commission is left with no other decision other than to deny the application, which will allow the applicant to go to City Council. G:Planning\Donna QuaiverlwpdocsWgminlAR020108min.wpd 5 � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JAN UARY 22, 2002 MINUTES Ms. Moeiler stated that she has been parking her RV in front of her home for twelve years and does not intend to change. She does not feel that the RV is in anyone's way or obstructing anybody's view and is way off the road. She stated that just because the Commission thinks that everything should be screened it doesn't mean that she should think that way as well. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that those are the comments that the Council should hear should sMe decide to appeal the decision. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson to deny the request due to lack of screening of the RV. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 4. CASE NO.: PP 01-04 APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS� WORLD DEVELOPMENT, 74-333 Highway 111, Suite 103, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of final working drawings for architecture and landscape for a finro-story (25' high) office building at the north end of Village Court, World Development Headquarters. LOCATION: 44-600 Village Court ZONE: CG Mr. Alvarez stated that he would like the Commission to look at the architecture only on this project. The plans are consistent with the preliminary approval. There have been no revisions since the preliminary approval. One trellis was added in the back, facing the east. All the equipment is screened. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet for approval, subject to approval by Landscape Manager. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver�wpdocsWgminWR020108min.wpd 6 - " �' �� ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES 5. CASE NO.: SA 01-149 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�• CALENDAR GIRLS, 73-885 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of identification signage. LOCATION: 73-495 Highway 111, Norwalk Furniture ZONE: C-1 Mr. Alvarez stated that the plans have been revised. After talking to the applicant, June Wachs, staff discovered that the pictures that she had previously submitted were not actually correct. The letters that she had shown on the drawing were #he wrong size letters. The revised plans show the correct scaling and correct size as they would appear on those elevations. The applicant is not present. This case has also been scheduled for City Council in the event that the ARC does not approve it today. Previously, the ARC had stated the signage was too large and it needed some unique design features to complement the building. Commissioner Hanson stated that the building has a lot of architectural elements and the signage does not enhance it. She feels that it could be much more interesting to take advantage of the architecture. Mr. Alvarez stated that the owners are not willing to redesign the signage, as this is their national logo. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to deny the revised request for the following reasons: (1) The special architecture of this building requires a unique creative sign solution, which is not provided in the current request. (2) The signs as proposed are too large for the proposed location on the building. Motion carried 3-0-1-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent and Commissioner Vuksic abstaining. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs�AgminWR020108min.wpd � � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES 6. CASE NO.: SA 02-05 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PARAGON SIGNS, 77-650 Enfield Lane, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business signage. LOCATION: 73-555 San Gorgonio, JFK Memorial Foundation Weli Care Clinic ZONE: O.P. Action: Upon reviewing the plans and presentations submitted by staff, the Architectural Review Commission by minute motion granted final approval. Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 7. CASE NO.: SA 02-12 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSL RIOFINE NEON, 3500 Tachevah, Unit D, Palm Springs, Ca 92262 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT• Approval of business signage. LOCATION: 74740 Highway 111, Ruth's Chris Steak House ZONE: P.C. 4 Action: Upon reviewing the plans and presentations submitted by staff, the Architectural Review Commission by minute motion granted final approval. Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgminWR020108min.wpd g • • � 5� ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES 8. CASE NO.: SA 02-11 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�• PALMS TO PINES CANVAS, 69-640 Sugarloaf Ave, #69, Mt. Center, CA 92561 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT• Approval of awning with signage. LOCATION: 73-080 EI Paseo, Suite 2; The Vault ZONE: C-1 Action: Upon reviewing the plans and presentations submitted by stafF, the Architectural Review Commission by minute motion granted final approval. Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 9. CASE NO.: SA 02-13 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS)• ONTARIO NEON CO. INC., Roy Courtney, 303 West Main Street, Ontario, CA 91762 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT• Approval of business signage. LOCATION: 72-314 Highway 111, Toys R Us ZONE: P.C. Mr. Bagato stated that Toys R Us currently has three signs; one on the front elevation, one on the left elevation and one monument sign. The current sign on the front elevation has 91 square feet of signage and they are allowed a total of 131 square feet. They are proposing a six- color sign, which pursuant to M.C. Section 25.68.480 requires a 20% reduction for each color over code. Four colors are allowed, therefore, there will be a 36% reduction of the total allowed sign area for the trademark sign. This would give the applicant an 84 square foot sign in the front. The left and right elevations are allowed a maximum of 85 square feet. Currently, there are only three colors used on the signage. G:Planning\Donna Quaiverlwpdocs�AgminWR020108min.wpd 9 . � �" '�r�" ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES The left elevation currently has 105 square feet and there is no signage on the right elevation, which is facing the hotel. The applicant, Roy Courtney from Ontario Neon Co., is present. Commissioner Hanson questioned the sign on the right hand side, which faces the hotel. She stated that she felt that this would not give the store any more business because it cannot be seen from the road. Mr. Courtney stated that this was brought up to Toys R Us and they did not have any concrete reason why it should be there. He agrees that this location would not be advantageous. Mr. Smith stated that the sign on the right side could be denied and the applicant could appeal that part of the decision. Mr. Drell commented that it probably wouldn't be great to have the hotel guests looking out to a bright sign shining in their rooms. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to appove signage as revised subject to eliminating the sign on the right side facing the hotel. Motion carried 3-1-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent and Commissioner Van Vliet opposed. B. Preliminary Plans 1. CASE NO.: PP 01-28 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): HUGH JORGENSEN, 40845 Centennial Circle, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of architecture and landscaping of convenience store and fuel station. Albertson's Express LOCATION: 42185 Washington Street, Palm Desert Country Club Shopping Center ZONE: M, P.C. 2 District Mr. Alvarez stated that this is a new project that is being proposed with an existing Albertson's shopping center on Washington Street. The G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgminWR020108min.wpd 10 . . � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES property in question is an existing pad which was created when the project was built. This is the last remaining pad in this shopping center. A Jiffy Lube was approved down the street and an additional retail building to the north of Jiffy Lube. This is the final pad which is located next to First Bank. A fuel station with a 1,989 square foot convenience store is being proposed by Albertson's Express. The building is 20'6" high. The canopy over the fuel station is also 20'6". The building will be set back 50' from the curb off of Washington. Additional parking will be created. Materials and colors are presented to the Commission. Commissioner Hanson asked about the color of the roof. Mr. Jorgensen, applicant, stated that the color will be turquoise blue. He stated that he tried to pick up the same type of colors that are being used on the other buildings in the center. The only color that he did not use was avocado, which did not work on this project. Mr. Alvarez stated that the color scheme for this shopping center was previously approved by the Commission. Mr. Jorgensen gave the Commission members hand-outs with pictures of the existing type of architecture in the shopping center. He stated that it was suggested that any new architecture be similar to that of the shopping center. They are in compliance with the code and are 500 feet from the other gas station and have split the parcel. They are required to have ten parking spaces, but they have proposed nineteen spaces. Commissioner Van Vliet asked about the required clearances on the canopy and the overall height of the canopy. Mr. Jorgensen stated that the overall height of the canopy is 21'. The required clearance under the canopy is 13'6". Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the canopy seems tall and massive compared to the building. He stated that the fascia seems really wide. Mr. Jorgensen stated that part of the fascia is 2'6" so that the lighting can be installed. John Markoff, Consultant for Albertson's, is present and stated that Albertson's typically uses a standard size fascia. However, they have dramatically deviated from that with this building design. They are not going to hold to a specific height on this canopy. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that the problem is from the 13'6" height up to the 21" canopy height. He feels that the canopy is a little top heavy. Mr. Jorgensen stated that when you see it in elevation you are looking at the full height. When you view it from an angle, you are not seeing it the same way. Commissioner Hanson commented that the columns of the canopy are too spindly for the structure on top. Mr. Jorgensen stated that he would see how he can cut down the vertical scale. Commissioner Hanson suggested recessing the outer area of the front portion of the store to take some of the heaviness away. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgmin�AR020108min.wpd 1 1 � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES Commissioner Vuksic asked about the purplish base on the store front. Mr. Jorgensen stated that it is concrete block with vertical score. Commissioner Vuksic commented on the exposed ladder on the side of the building, utilities that are exposed and a corner of the A/C that is visible. He stated that on the floor plan the windows are built flush with the outside wall, but Mr. Jorgensen stated that they wili be set back. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he wants to make sure that the windows are recessed and not done the way they are drawn on the plans. The lighting on the canopy will be recessed and shielded with glass. Commissioner Vuksic is concerned that even if the lighting is recessed, if you are looking down the long slot from the street the lighting is going to be visible. Mr. Jorgensen stated that the lighting will be 14" square cans to give just enough down light to easily see while pumping gas. Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist, asked about the landscape plans on Washington, which shows a dumpster. Mr. Jorgensen stated that a 2'/2' screen block wall will be built around the dumpster. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to grant preliminary approval of building design subject to the following revisions: (1) recess windows, (2) recess outer edge of store front, (3) screen air conditioning units and utilities, (4) check on regulations regarding placement of ladder for access to roof-top air conditioning units, and (5) continuance of canopy review to revise proportions of columns and height of roof structure from the bottom of the canopy to the top. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 2. CASE NO.: TT 30030 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSj: BOULDERS AT PALM DESERT, P.O. Box 1901, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Reconsideration of four-car garages on four lots at end of cul-de-sac. LOCATION: 37-801 Shephard Lane ZONE: PR 5 Mr. Alvarez stated that in December 2001, the Commission looked at the models for this new sub-division on Shephard Lane. Comments were made concerning the detailing on the rear and side elevations, bringing the roof drains inside the walls, adding additional setbacks on G:PlanninglDonna Quaiver\wpdocslAgmin�AR020108min.wpd 12 . � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES the front to create more variation and also asked the applicant to address the four-car garages which are at the end of the cui-de-sac. The applicant took a look at what he could do with these four lots and unfortunately he was not able to reconfigure the garages. He has come back with a request for approval with the addition of planters befinreen the finro-car garages. Revisions have been made on the setbacks and they will address the other three items on their working drawings. Gabriel Lujan, applicant, stated that the owners couldn't see much of a difference by reducing the four-car garages to three-car garages at the end of the cul-de-sac. He stated that the owners are willing to go to the City Council to try to get some kind of relief. Commissioner Vuksic commented that in a few years the homeowners could possibly remove the planters from the middle of the driveway and decide to pave them over. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he is not only concerned with the garage doors, but also with the amount of concrete driveway in front of each home which reduces the chance to landscape it. If one door had an 8' opening instead of a 16' opening, then additional landscaping could be added. Commissioner Hanson suggested flipping the retention basin so that there would be more yard available. Pavers or something decorative on the driveway is not an option. Mr. Lujan suggested a three-car garage with a bonus room. Mr. Smith stated that this would reduce the width of the curb cut by ten feet. Mr. Lujan stated that if the four-car garages are denied, then he will come back with a new proposal for a three-car garage with a bonus room or maybe a standard three-car garage. Commissioner Hanson suggested designing a smaller main house with a guest house. She stated that this may allow you to do something a little bit more interesting. She does not think it's right to take a plan that you already have and stick in on an odd-shaped lot. Mr. Lujan stated that this is what the client wanted. Commissioner Vuksic stated that only two of the homes would have to have three-car garages. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs�AgminWR020108min.wpd 13 � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22,2002 MINUTES Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson for preliminary approval subject to further revision of lots 8 & 9 to three-car garages. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 3. CASE NO.: PP 02-01 APPLICANT (AND ADDRES�• LEWIS BISHOP ARCHITECT, 44645 San Onofre Avenue, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of 14,000 square foot office building and associated carports. Computer Payroll Company LOCATION: Southwest corner of Delaware and Washington. ZONE: OP Mr. Alvarez stated that this is a proposal for a 14,000 square foot finro- story building at the corner of Washington and Delaware. The entrance will be off of Delaware. This is a company who does payrolls for businesses. They are proposing a drive-thru facility to drop off and pick up payrolls and then exit back onto Delaware. The building and setbacks meet the criteria of the zone. Mr. Bishop, applicant, is present and stated that the concept was to put enough of the building near the corner, but not too close to the corner to provide for a nice streetscape on Washington. The only problem that he has is the current existing grade on the property has to come down a little bit in order to meet the 1-1 criteria for the setbacks. Mr. Bishop stated that this is a pretty straight forward building. The walls are very thick as the owners are energy conscious. The project will have no equipment on the roof because of the height limits. All the equipment is located on the ground. There is a screened and walled air conditioning enclosure in the front so that it is accessible from the driveway, but not too far away from the building. All the parking spaces will be covered by carports. The roof will be dark brown in the middle of the building facing Washington. The body of the building will be sage green. The top trim will be brown and the projection will be grey. Mr. Bishop has added some reveals to segregate different panels of carport ends and/or building ends to give some relief. One other feature that he is G:PlanninglDonna Quaiver\wpdocsWgmin1AR020108min.wpd 14 � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES working on but is not finished with is a water feature on the front column, which is about 7'6" in diameter. It will have a water feature that trickles water into a large circular stone-�Iled basin to add some coolness during the summer. Mr. Smith asked why the driveway to the drop-off area is so wide (24'). Mr. Bishop stated that it was designed to give a person room to turn around so that they would not have to back out into the other parking area. Mr. Smith asked about the landscaping atong the street. He stated that the biggest element is the driveway. Mr. Bishop stated that he would be very happy to make the driveway smaller. The drive-thru section could be reduced to 1%Z lanes. Commissioner Van Vliet asked about the A/C equipment. Mr. Bishop stated that all the A/C equipment will be ground mounted in the enclosure near the northeast corner. The air handlers will be inside with the condenser units outside. The enclosure is less than finrenty feet from the building. Mr. Bishop stated that the windows will have bronze aluminum frames set to the back side of the wall. The windows will be clear with no reflective finish. The horizontal roof projection comes out about finro feet all the way around except on the south side of the building where there is no projection. The exterior finish is primarily blown stucco. There is a garage for the company RV. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to grant preliminary approval subject to (1) recessing windows, (2) reducing the width of payroll drop-off driveway, and (3) making the rear portion of the building look like the front. Motion carried 4-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent. 4. CASE NO.: PP 01-08 APP�ICANT (AND ADDRESS�� KLAFF REALITY, 111 West Jackson Blvd., Chicago, IL 6064-3501 PREST VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, 74-020 Allesandro, #C, Palm Desert, CA 92260 G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgmin�AR020108min.wpo l s . , � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval for a new single-story retail building located at the northwest corner of San Pablo and EI Paseo. LOCATION: 73-411 Highway 111, northwest corner of San Pablo and EI Paseo. EI Paseo Square ZONE: C-1 Mr. Alvarez stated that the Commission previously approved this project as a two-story building with some other remodeling done to the center with parking, underground parking, etc... This went to the Planning Commission and they had a problem with the parking differential and there was going to be a trade-off with the parking at the Gardens. There was also a concern with the height of the two-story building from Staples and Pacifica in the Gardens. The plans have been revised and the project is now a single-story building and is located at the corner of San Pablo and EI Paseo. It has the same design characteristics, materials and colors as the previous project. Commissioner Hanson stated that it is a magnificent building and she is very excited about it. She urged the architects to design signs into it now. Commissioner O'Donnell commented that he was disappointed that the previous proposal did not get through because he felt that it was a really good design and he didn't understand the reasons for denying it. He also feels that the revised proposal is very nice with outstanding architecture. Mr. Alvarez stated that they will need to see improvements to the parking lot, i.e. add trees, landscaping, etc... The dome will be finished in smooth plaster, which will be rust in color. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to grant preliminary approval of revised plans. Motion carried 3-0-1-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent, and Commissioner Vuksic abstaining. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver�wpdocsWgmin�AR020108min.wpd 16 � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES 5. CASE NO.: PP 01-24 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSZ: MIKE FILING, TOPMAN BUILDERS, INC., P.O. Box 473, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of revised plans and landscaping for a 10-unit apartment complex at 44- 555 San Rafael. LOCATION: 44-555 San Rafael ZONE: R-3 Mr. Smith stated that the applicant is submitting revised plans for the San Rafael project. Mr. Filing, applicant, stated that they have revised only one project due to time limitations but will make the same changes on both projects. He has tried to create a larger lower level by popping out the walts 6" and recessing the windows. He is ptanning to use two different colors with a darker color on the lower level and a lighter color on the upper level. He has also inserted some columns to address the concern of the cantilevered effect of the upper walkway. There will be columns at the corners of the building, protruding out in front of the building and then will carry a beam across that will give it structural as well as aesthetic look of a load bearn carried by the columns. All the windows, upstairs and downstairs, will be recessed. He has created a gable effect on the back side of the buildings. He has tried to address all the issues that have been brought to his attention. He put the trellis effect on Santa Rosa in the back near the water feature so that people would congregate there. He has also extended the overhang and the fascia depth. Commissioner Vuksic suggested using a different color on the fascia or any of the niche details. Mr. Filing stated that he is trying to avoid having any exposed wood due to the climate in the desert. He stated that he could use an accent color in the fascia area. Also, on the inset windows, he would like to try to add a sill look to add some definition G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgminWR020108min.wpd 1� , , � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES underneath the windows. The silis could have an accent color on them. Commissioner Vuksic asked how the wider bottom floor relates to the floor plan. Mr. Filing stated that the floor plan relates to the bottom floor. There is an addition of 2 x 6 on a 2 x 4 combination so he going to have to build a couple of walls along that area to get the depth so that when the windows and doors are inset, it has a good distance for the inset. The upstairs will still have inset windows, but they won't have the additional 2 x 4 wall. The upstairs windows will be inset a couple of inches. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if it would be a 6" pop out or a 3%z" pop out. Mr. Filing stated that it will be a 2 x 6 wall with an additional 2 x 4 in front of it so that it will be an 8" thickness with the windows set to the back of the opening. The upper level will sit on top of the interior 2 x 4 wall. The exterior wall will be 2 x 6 all the way around with an additional 2 x 4 wall on the outside of the lower level. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he really won't have a 6" pop out. Mr. Filing stated that with the windows set all the way in, it will have an appearance of depth. Commissioner Vuksic suggested using color to emphasize the details on the building. Mr. Filing agreed that it would be a smart move to use a third color for trim and accent. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he is concerned about the proportioning. He feels that the concept is fine but he can't understand why he would frame a 2 x 4 wing wall on both sides instead of making it a solid element. Mr. Filing stated that he could frame the wall a little wider. Commissioner Vuksic is concerned about the execution of the details. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he felt that the project still needs some fairly major architectural work. The Commission is just picking at little things and trying to think that it will solve the design problems. Mr. Filing asked if any of the Commissioners have been out to the site to see where they are going to be built. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that each building has to stand on its own regardless of what's around it. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he felt that the project was really close but for some reason it's been hard to get the details to stand out. The entire lower floor has thick walls and with a little work on the colors and details this project could be fine. By adding some color into the fascia and introducing a third color that could be incorporated into some G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgmin�AR020108min.wpd 1 g � ! � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES vertical elements and some niches. Mr. Filing stated that using an accent color would improve the impact of the building. Commissioner Vuksic commented on the change in the stair element. Instead of having the stairway cantilevered out at the top, they have been made into a solid element, which is nice. Commissioner Vuksic commented that he was still at a loss on the balcony that runs along the side of the building. Mr. Filing stated that columns have been placed between the windows so that they don't block the view. Mr. Filing stated that he would like to have a conditional approval. The land owner wants to either get this project moving forward or move on with something else. Mr. Filing stated that this is a good project and it is needed in this community. He feels that it is going to be a classy project when he finishes it. He is open to any suggestions on how to get this project moving forward. Commissioner Hanson asked if they could get a design development package which would include details of the project before they get final working drawings to make sure that they have actually covered some of the issues discussed. Mr. Smith suggested granting preliminary approval subject to the changes discussed and the condition requiring that prior to working drawings, the applicant will return with the design development package. At that point, the applicant will be through Planning Cornmission and he will know that the project is "real". Cornmissioner O'Donnell stated that he is concerned about the placement of the columns with relationship to the walkways and the planters. This needs to be studied more. He stated that he understands the direction he is going in, but he feels that it is creating more of a problem in moving people through the walkways. He feels that the columns should go someplace else. He suggested that if the Commission members are willing to go ahead, then he would like the ARC to see all the details before Plan Check. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he is afraid that the applicant is going in the wrong direction. He felt that the Commission was asking for more details and he is not sure that the applicant really understands the architectural aspect of the project. Mr. Filing stated that he is trying to accommodate a difficult situation, which is adding columns. He did not want to put the columns into the interior area where he is trying to create some ambiance. He is G:Planning\Donna Quaiver�wpdocsWgminWR020708min.wpd 19 . a � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES trying to add columns, make the planters larger and give the walkway an irregular look. Commissioner Hanson stated that she was the one who suggested the columns. She feels that the column location is somewhat arbitrary. She does not want the applicant to add columns just because she suggested it. She felt that architecturally, the details are there and this project will work. She wants the applicant to do this project, but she wants it done nicely. She stated that she is willing to look at it again with the details and incorporating the comments made by the Commission. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the concept of the project is okay, but the details need work. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that the Commission has been over the details many times and they have had to go over the same details all over again without making significant progress. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to grant preliminary approval for architecture only with the condition that the ARC review the revised plans before Plan Check. Motion carried 2-1-1-2 with Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent, Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Van Vliet opposed. 6. CASE NO.: PP 01-23 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: MIKE FILING, TOPMAN BUILDERS, INC., P.O. Box 473, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of revised plans and landscaping for a 12-unit apartment complex at 73- 811 Santa Rosa Way. LOCATION: 73-811 Santa Rosa Way ZONE: R-2 SO (See comments for previous item. Case PP 01-24) G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs�AgminWR020108min.wpd 2� � � � ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION JANUARY 22, 2002 MINUTES Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to grant preliminary approval for architecture only with the condition that the ARC review the revised plans before Plan Check, as discussed with the Commission under the previous item. Motion carried 3-1-2 with Cornmissioner Lingle and Commissioner Gregory absent, and Commissioner Van Vliet opposed. VI. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 2:48 p.m. STEVE SMITH PLANNING MANAGER G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocsWgmiMARo20108min.wpd 21