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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-11-26 r CITY OF PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION • MINUTES NOVEMBER 26, 2002 **************************************************************************************************** I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. IL ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 17 4 Kristi Hanson X 19 2 Neil Lingle X 14 7 Richard O'Donnell X 17 4 Chris Van Vliet X 20 1 John Vuksic X 19 2 Ray Lopez X 18 1 Also Present: Steve Smith, Planning Manager Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner Tony Bagato, Planning Technician Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 12, 2002 Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to approve the minutes of November 12, 2002. The motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner Lingle abstaining and Commissioner Lopez absent. IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS A. 1 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES A. Final Drawings 1. CASE NO.: RV 02-03 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DANIEL J. MURPHY, 74-084 San Marino Way, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to park boat in front driveway behind landscape screen. LOCATION: 74-084 San Marino Way ZONE: R-1 Mr. Smith stated that the neighbors within 300' were noticed regarding this request. Mr. Bagato commented that none of the neighbors were present at the meeting. The applicant, Daniel Murphy, was present to answer any questions. The boat is being stored within the front setback area. The boat is screened from the street. Staff suggests that the area on the east side of the driveway could be screened with hedges so that the boat would not be visible when viewing the area from the west. Commissioner Gregory asked if there have been any objections from the neighbors. Mr. Bagato stated that this case came from Code Compliance because the applicant needs a permit for RV storage. He has not received any written or verbal comments from the neighbors. Commissioner Hanson stated that with the addition of hedges, it will be difficult to see the boat. Mr. Bagato stated that when the applicant parks his truck in the driveway it blocks the view of the boat, but when the truck is not in the driveway the hedges will help screen the boat from view. Commissioner O'Donnell asked if the boat will be parked in this location for the season or is it moved on a regular basis. Mr. Murphy stated that it's parked there most of the year, except when he's taking it out for recreation. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that this falls under the same conditions as an RV vehicle. To be consistent, the commission probably should review it in that context. Commissioner Vuksic commented that RV's are 12' tall. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that RV's have to be screened visually from the street. This boat is much lower profile so it should be a lot easier to screen. Commissioner Lingle stated that we've taken these cases on an individual basis in the GRIanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 2 wr ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES past. When you have an area for an RV that's going to be non- intrusive, it's reasonable to allow it. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if this screening proposal would be acceptable to the applicant. Mr. Murphy stated that this would be fine with him. Commissioner Gregory stated that assuming that this is approved, it would apply to this particular boat only. If he wants to park a larger boat or RV in this area, this approval would not apply. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Lingle for approval subject to the addition of landscape material on east side of driveway. Commission noted that this approval applies only to a low profile boat, as currently owned by the applicant. Motion carried 6- 0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 2. CASE NO.: SA 02-208 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BEST SIGNS, INC., 1550 S. Gene Autry Trail, Palm Springs, CA 92264 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business signage for the Chop House. LOCATION: 74-040 Highway 111 ZONE: C1 Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 3. CASE NO.: C 02-05 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JOE BRANDT, 507 Tomahawk Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92211 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of remodel of exterior of building in conjunction with the City of Palm Desert's Facade Enhancement Program. LOCATION: 73-020 El Paseo (formerly known as Hooter's) GRanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 3 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES ZONE: PC-3 Mr. Bagato stated that the plans received preliminary approval from ARC subject to the wood fascia on the parapet being plaster. The applicant has submitted his plans for final approval without the plaster. The applicant is proposing metal capping instead of plaster. Joe Brandt, applicant, was present and stated that he wants to use metal capping on all three buildings. Commissioner Van Vliet asked Mr. Brandt what kind of metal was going to be used. Mr. Brandt stated that he intends to use 26-gauge galvanized metal. Commissioner Van Vliet asked how he was going to seam the metal. Mr. Brandt commented that the metal will be soldered. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he thought that metal would be nice if they could make the seams work out properly. The metal generally comes in 10' lengths so there will be a lot of seams. There could be a problem with warping unless it's heavy gauge metal. Twenty-six gauge metal isn't heavy enough. Mr. Brandt commented that he didn't want to plaster the fascia because it's too hard to get to. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that it won't be easy to get to the metal fascia either. Commissioner Gregory wondered if maybe there was too much stone and the building was losing the contrasting element of having some plaster with some stone. When it's all stone, it will start losing definition. Mr. Brandt stated that he's not against that idea. Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant increased the amount of stone than what was originally approved. Mr. Brandt stated that he will go back to the architect to reduce the amount of stone. Commissioner Gregory commented that stone looks better when used as a support element. Commissioner O'Donnell asked about the patio. Mr. Brandt stated that after twenty years of owning the building, he was told that the patio was on part of the neighboring property. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that if the ARC is asking the applicant to reduce the amount of stonework, he needs to know what to cut and what to leave. The stonework should be used as an accent or a logical place for it. It should be a structural element. Commissioner Gregory asked about the metal fascia. Commissioner Vuksic commented that the metal needs to be of a heavier gauge so that it stays true and doesn't warp. He would like to see a seam pattern G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 4 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES showing how they intend to connect the sheets of metal. Commissioner O'Donnell commented that he would like to see the lighting on the patio be down lighting so that you can't see it as you approach the building from the north. Mr. Brandt agreed with the down lighting and stated that there won't be any televisions on the patio. This is not a sports bar. Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to continue the request to allow the applicant to return with revised plans showing (1) that the stonework has been reduced, (2) metal on fascia needs to be a heavier gauge and show seam pattern, and (3) use down lighting on patio. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 4. CASE NO.: PP 01-14 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): LEWIS BISHOP, ARCHITECT, 44645 San Onofre Avenue, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of architectural plans for church building and dental building on Robert McLachlan, DDS site. LOCATION: 72-415 Park View Drive ZONE: OP Mr. Smith stated that the church building came to the ARC at the previous meeting. There was some question as to how the two projects related to each other. The dental office is ready for final approval as well as the church building. Mike Hadley, architect for the dental office, was present to answer questions as well as Lew Bishop, architect for the church. Mr. Bishop stated that he tried to avoid adding heavy trim to the church building around the window and he also thickened the walls. The base wall is 11 7/8" , not including the stone. It will be approximately 13" thick with the stone. The bottom of the wall is 15Y2" . Mr. Hadley commented that there's a stucco trim that projects out from the stonework around the windows of the dental building to give the windows some inset. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 5 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES Commissioner Hanson stated that she didn't mind the differences in the details between the two buildings. They have a similar flavor but they're a little different. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the dental building has substantial detail above the stone but the church building does not. It also has some other things to break that line. Commissioner Hanson suggested to the applicant that he think about where the signage is going to go. Commissioner Gregory suggested bringing the stone up on the corner pieces. The stone becomes more of a decorative feature where there are horizontal elements. Mr. Bishop commented that this is why he took the stone off over the top of the windows. The church really can't afford to add more stone to the corners. This would cost a tremendous amount of money. Commissioner Gregory asked about taking all the stone off. Mr. Bishop stated that the church would love it. Commissioner Gregory suggested taking some of the stone off in some places and adding it to other places. Commission Van Vliet concurred. Mr. Bishop stated that he'd be happy to take some of the stone off. Commissioner Vuksic suggested adding foam detail on the corner elements of the church building. Mr. Hadley stated that the building owner has asked him to look into the possibility of doing a standby generator. It's not on the drawings but he would like to show the ARC where they would like it. It was suggested that staff could approve the location of the generator. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet for approval of the dental building as submitted. The church building was approved with the addition of foam detail on corner elements. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 5. CASE NO.: SA 02-212 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): RICHARD GARCIA, ZANTMAN ART GALLERIES, 73-925 El Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for approval of change of awning color from black to yellow. Zantman Art Galleries LOCATION: 73-925 El Paseo ZONE: C-1 G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 6 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant was unable to attend the meeting but wanted the case to be heard. The sign and wording is going to stay the same, but the applicant would like to change the color of the sign to draw more attention to the building. Commissioner Hanson stated that a gold color would be better than yellow for the awning. Commissioner O'Donnell and Commissioner Van Vliet concurred. The yellow that is being proposed is similar to the California Pizza Kitchen and is not appropriate for this building. Commissioner Hanson stated that California Pizza Kitchen has yellow awnings because of it's part of their logo color. Gold will still provide them with what they're looking for. Commissioner Gregory stated that a more saturated or richer yellow would be more appropriate. Commissioner Lingle asked if the applicant is going to bring the color back for us to look at. Mr. Smith stated that if he feels that they are submitting a color that's close to a saturated yellow/gold color then staff will approve it. If not, then they will bring the color in question back to the ARC to look at. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell for approval of the requested color change on the awning provided it is a gold-yellow color to be approved by staff. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. B. Preliminary Plans 1. CASE NO.: C 02-07 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TED GROULX, P.O. Box 14083, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Remodel of front of building in conjunction with the City of Palm Desert's Facade Enhancement Program. LOCATION: 73-261 Highway 111 (Tarbell Realty building) ZONE: C-1 Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant has submitted revised plans for review and approval. Previously, the plans were "too glassy". The addition to the existing Tarbell Realty building is one story and will encompass the existing parking lot. Mr. Groulx, applicant, was present and stated that the building is on a frontage road off of Highway 111 G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 7 Sow 1"w ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES and there's parking on the frontage road. He originally had one entrance but Phil Drell suggested having two entrances as there are going to be two tenants. Mr. Groulx has been working with Spencer Knight on the landscaping. Commissioner Van Vliet asked the applicant if he wants to add the square footage to the front of the building. Mr. Groulx stated that it would be economically feasible to add square footage. Commissioner Hanson asked about the lost parking spaces due to the expansion. Mr. Groulx stated that there are fifteen parking spots that aren't being used and he was able to save six parking spaces near the expansion. Commissioner Hanson commented that she thought that the plans were fine. Commissioner Hanson suggested adding center mullions on the windows to anchor it more. Mr. Groulx stated that he was planning to do that anyway. Commissioner Gregory asked if all landscape improvements were being done on a gradual basis. He was wondering about an aesthetic review and he would like to see the landscape plans come back to the ARC. Mr. Groulx stated that it's all done. Commissioner Gregory asked if the additional square footage has been completed. Mr. Groulx stated that the building hasn't been constructed. He will come back with the landscape plans for the new portion of the building. Commissioner Vuksic suggested that the applicant is re-plastering the existing building. Mr. Groulx stated that the existing building is going to be painted. Commissioner Vuksic suggested using colors that are a little deeper. Mr. Groulx commented that he will look into it. Commissioner Lingle commented that he likes the building the way it is, but he never liked the landscaping or the color. He's all for project improvement, but it wouldn't break his heart if it stayed the way it is right now. Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson for preliminary approval subject to (1) adding mullions to windows on the front elevation, (2) applicant to return with landscape plans, and (3) a suggestion was made to consider using deeper exterior colors. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 8 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES 2. CASE NO.: PP 02-16/VAR 02-05 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALM DESERT REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, 73-510 Fred Waring Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised building height and exterior colors for a new 36-unit apartment complex known as Palm Village Apartments. LOCATION: 73-610 Santa Rosa Way ZONE: R-3 Mr. Smith distributed the proposed exterior colors to the commission. It was suggested during a conversation in study session that the building height was acceptable. The commission is being asked to comment on the proposed colors. Commissioner Lingle stated that the primary color is too pinkish. Commissioner Hanson didn't like it either. The other three colors are fine. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that his issue was with the lack of shading over the patio areas on the south elevation. A shade exhibit was presented, but Commissioner O'Donnell did not know what time of the day, during what season these areas are going to be shaded. Commissioner Hanson stated that the exhibit indicates the areas that are covered. Bryce White stated that it indicates the roof overhang. All of the front balcony area is covered by roof, including the courtyard on the first level. Commissioner O'Donnell complimented the Redevelopment Agency on the elevations. He really likes the plans, but he thinks that there should be more shade. This would be a much more attractive facade if it had some shading devices to serve a function. He still doesn't like the detail around the windows. The north elevation is okay. Commissioner Gregory asked if the windows were inset or are they flush with the wall. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that his point is that the outside patios are going to be used, but at certain times of the year, even with overhangs, the sun will be at a 45° angle. Mr. White commented that the doors are recessed even further than the balcony. June 19 is when the sun will be at its highest. In the summertime, there will be more shade than what's shown on the exhibit. In the wintertime, there will be less shade. The roofs extend all the way out completely covering the balcony area. From an aesthetic standpoint, they could GRIanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 9 s ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES put a couple of additional trellises up but they wouldn't actually function from a shade standpoint. Commissioner O'Donnell disagreed and stated that the sun would be at a 45° angle. Mr. White stated that it would be at this angle in the winter, but in the summer the sun moves to a northerly angle. Commissioner O'Donnell asked if shade studies were done. Mr. White stated that he has not done any shade studies, however, from experience of building for a long period of time. In the summer, the northern windows get the sunlight shining in and in the winter, the southern windows receive the sunlight. Commissioner O'Donnell asked Mr. White if he lives in the desert. Mr. White stated that he's lived in the desert for fifteen years. Commissioner O'Donnell commented that he would know that if you're going to sit on the patio in the wintertime, the sun will be reflecting off the walls and it could still be very uncomfortable. Mr. White commented that he would be glad to add some additional trellises, but he doesn't know from a shade standpoint if they are going to function. He wants to do the best for the project. Commissioner Gregory asked if the windows were flush with the exterior walls. Mr. White stated that some of the windows are recessed since they're using 2 x 6 walls, which are framed in with 2 x 4's. The commission agreed that this is a great idea. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that this is a very nice project. He was pushing for more improvement. Mr. White stated that his approach to this project is to make it look as nice as he could. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner O'Donnell for approval of revised building height and exterior colors with the peach color to be changed to the satisfaction of staff. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 3. CASE NO.: MISC 02-24 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PHILIP BARTMASSER, 8913 Olympic Blvd., Suite 202, Beverly Hills, CA 90211 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of exterior remodel of commercial building in conjunction with Palm Desert's Facade Enhancement Program. LOCATION: 73-730 Highway 111, Canyon Building G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 10 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES ZONE: C-1 Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson to approve by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 4. CASE NO.: PP 02-20 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PREST-VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, 74- 020 Allesandro Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of building and landscape design for a two-story 32,910 square foot office/industrial building. LOCATION: Parcels 14 & 15 on Technology Drive near Gerald Ford and Cook Street ZONE: PCD Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson to approve by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Lopez absent. 5. CASE NO.: PP 02-19 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) STEPHEN R. NIETO, 78-120 Calle Estado, Suite 206, La Quinta, CA 92253 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of architecture and landscaping for proposed 5,182 square foot office building. LOCATION: 44-750 Village Court ZONE: OP Mr. Smith stated that during study session, the commission expressed concern relative to the ladder and the fact that it could be moved into the mechanical room and there was an issue with the windows. Commissioner Hanson stated that after reviewing the plans, they could move the ladder to the mechanical room. She asked the applicant, GRanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN I I ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES Stephen Nieto, if the roof mounted equipment will be screened from view. Mr. Nieto stated that there is a 4' parapet. Commissioner Hanson stated that 4' will be minimal because a lot of the equipment can be higher than that. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that he was concerned with the windows on the front elevation in that they seem to be divided by the columns, whereas the symmetry in the rest of it is so prominent. After further review, he commented that he doesn't have an issue with the windows. Diane Hollinger stated that she has not approved the landscape plan. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet for preliminary approval subject to (1) mounting roof ladder in mechanical room and continuing roof tile in area where ladder was originally intended, and (2) approval by Landscape Manager. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 6. CASE NO.: PP 02-17/ CUP 02-30 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): NOGLE ONUFER ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS, INC., c/o LINDQUIST DEVELOPMENT, 2398 San Diego Avenue, San Diego, CA 92110 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of three single-family residences. LOCATION: 46-050 Ocotillo Drive ZONE: R-3 Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson for approval by minute motion subject to approval by Landscape Manager. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. 7. CASE NO.: PP 02-18/ CUP 02-32 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): NOGLE ONUFER ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS, INC., c/o LINDQUIST DEVELOPMENT, 2398 San Diego Avenue, San Diego, CA 92110 GRIanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 12 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION NOVEMBER 26, 2002 MINUTES NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of three single-family residences. LOCATION: 45-500 Ocotillo Drive ZONE: R-3 Mr. Smith displayed a material/color board for the commission to review. Commissioner Hanson stated that the colors will blend in nicely with the neighborhood. Joe Holasek, applicant, stated that he submitted for ARC review, precise plan, tentative map and a conditional use permit and he wanted to verify which of these items they are making a motion on. Mr. Smith stated that they are only making a motion on the architectural review. The ARC did not have any issues with this project. Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson for approval by minute motion subject to approval by Landscape Manager. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent. VI. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 1:40 p.m. STEVE SMITH PLANNING MANAGER G:Planning0onna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR021126.MIN 13