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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 14 3
Kristi Hanson X 15 2
Neil Lingle X 12 5
Richard O'Donnell X 14 3
Chris Van Vliet X 16 1
John Vuksic X 15 2
Ray Lopez X 15 0
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 10, 2002
Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to
approve the minutes of September 10, 2002. The motion carried 5-0-1-1 with
Commissioner O'Donnell abstaining and Commissioner Lingle absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. A discussion was held regarding the exterior colors of the Sun Splash
building on San Pablo next to Musician's Outlet. Mr. Bagato distributed
color samples to the Commission. The Commission agreed that the
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proposed colors were too bright and they wanted to see samples on
real material.
A. Final Drawings
1. CASE NO.: MISC 02-21
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ELEPHANT BAR, KEVAN NIXON,
73-833 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of exterior
color change on the front elevation of the building.
LOCATION: Southeast corner of San Luis Rey and Highway 111,
Elephant Bar
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant, Kevan Nixon, would like to add
striping to the exterior of the Elephant Bar. Mr. Nixon stated that they
would like to use the same two-tone colors that are on the building and
add stripes to the front two pillars. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if
they intend to wrap the stripes around the pillars. Mr. Nixon stated that
the stripes would wrap around the pillars. Commissioner Van Wet
commented that he didn't think that it would look very good. It would
make more sense to add the stripes to the radius wall. Commissioner
Hanson stated that it looks pretty loud. Commissioner Vuksic
commented that it's hard to even imagine what it would look like.
Mr. Nixon stated that the radius wall doesn't have any windows in it and
it's painted light white. Commissioner O'Donnell suggested that the
applicant come back with a new proposal showing the striping on the
radius of the building, instead of the pillars. Mr. Nixon stated that this
would be on the San Luis Rey side of the building. Commissioner
O'Donnell stated that it would be okay with him. Mr. Nixon asked the
Commission if one side of each pillar could be striped. The
Commission agreed that they did not like that idea as the pillars are
really massive and it would be "too much".
Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic to continue the request to allow the applicant to return with a
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revised proposal. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lingle
absent.
2. CASE NO.: SA 02-138
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) GLENN MANLEY, 73-280 Highway
111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for approval
of business signage.
LOCATION: 73-280 Highway 111, Mattress Express
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant, Glenn Manley, is present to
answer questions. Currently, there is a can sign that was approved in
1998. He is concerned about continuing to approve these types of
signs. He didn't feel that it would be appropriate to put a sign on top of
the fascia because it blocks the windows of the upstairs unit. Mr.
Manley stated that he could put the sign on the fascia. Commissioner
Hanson stated that the proposed can sign is 9" in width. She would like
the sign to be 4" in width with a 3" border on the top and bottom of the
sign. Commissioner O'Donnell asked if the entire sign would be
illuminated. Mr. Manley stated that during the day only the lettering
would show and at night the entire sign would be illuminated. The
Commission asked if he could change the background color of the sign
from white to ivory so it won't be so bright.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
O'Donnell for approval subject to (1) reducing thickness of can sign to
4", (2) installing sign on fascia, (3) allow for a 3" border on top and
bottom of sign, and (4) use ivory background on can sign instead of
white. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lingle absent.
3. CASE NO.: CUP 01-16
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALM DESERT COMMUNITY
PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, 47-321 Highway 74, Palm Desert, CA
92260
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PHILIP SMITH, 83-810 Via Deo Circle, #101, Indio, CA 92201
CHANCY MILES LOTT, LOTT ENTERPRISES, INC., 44 Lakeshore
Drive, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
plans for an addition for a proposed Family Life Center.
LOCATION: 47-321 Highway 74
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Bagato stated that he would like to discuss the west elevation.
Philip Smith, applicant, stated that the west elevation is the back side of
the multi-purpose room and they intend to landscape this elevation.
They're trying to push the elevation in and out and raise and lower the
height to give it more architectural interest.
Commissioner Hanson stated that she has an issue with the exterior
ladder on the west elevation. Mr. Philip Smith stated that the ladder is
required by code. Commissioner Hanson stated that they're required to
have a ladder, but not necessarily on the exterior of the building. Would
it be possible to put the ladder inside the building? Mr. Philips stated
that the inside of the west elevation is the stage area in the multi-
purpose room and they did not want the ladder to be visible. The
ladder is proposed on the back of the building. Commissioner Hanson
stated that it is not the back of the building. There are people who live
there and would look right at the west elevation. Commissioner Van
Vliet commented that he would like to see more architecture on the
west elevation.
Commissioner Vuksic asked what kind of block they were using. Mr.
Philip Smith stated that they've designed a horizontal banding using
shop blast as it steps forward and as it steps back he's using an
abrasive finish so it's smooth. There are bands of different textures.
Every two courses will be shop blast and the next two down will have
an abrasive finish. The block will have a tan and reddish-colored finish.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the Commission doesn't approve
ladders on the exterior because they look terrible. Commissioner
Hanson stated that this is a beautiful building and there's no reason for
it. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the applicant could take it a little
further and try to do something that's not quite as utilitarian. He is
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asking for a little more architectural design at the louvered area.
Commissioner Hanson stated that instead of having a whole panel of
louvers, it becomes more of an architectural element rather than a big
set of metal louvers going around. Make it look like it was supposed to
be that way rather than only for a functional use.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked what kind of equipment is going in that
requires such height. Mr. Philips stated that all of the A/C equipment is
going in. Mr. Chancy Lott commented that this is the logical place to
have an access ladder since it goes through the equipment to the roof.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that there are other ways that it can be
handled.
Commissioner Hanson stated that the west elevation is a major building
face that basically has some stripes of texture differences, but
essentially it's one color and one face. She has an issue with this.
There is some other way to handle this architecturally.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if he is proposing columns. Mr. Philips
stated that they are buttresses.
Commissioner Hanson commented that the sun hitting the west
elevation in the afternoon would be blinding to the people who live
above it. Mr. Lott stated that as the architect of record on this project,
he contests that. People are not going to be blinded by a natural finish,
tan wall that's textured and when the sun hits it, the light would be
reflected down. If it were a mirror it would reflect back up, but it's not.
Commissioner Hanson rephrased her comment to say that a person
wouldn't be blinded but this would be a very major element. Mr. Philips
stated that he tried to create some breaking on that facade.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he thinks that he's done a really good
job but unfortunately they have that large facade on the west elevation.
Mr. Lott asked the Commission if they could add a cross on that wall.
Commissioner Hanson stated that it wouldn't be a bad idea and that it
needs something to break it up.
Commissioner Hanson suggested varying the height of the palm trees.
Mr. Philips stated that they're 12'-14'. Commissioner Hanson stated
that they have to vary more than the two feet that's represented. She
suggested getting taller palms.
Mr. Philip Smith commented that he would like to try to turn the ladder
on the exterior into something beautiful. He asked the Commission if
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he could keep the ladder on the outside as long as he turns it into an
element. The Commission agreed that this would be fine.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked why he can't put it inside. Mr. Philips
stated that it's a large multi-purpose room and stage.
Fire Marshal, David Avila, asked if staff has received the Fire
Department conditions for this project. Mr. Lott stated that he's been
dealing with Bruce Pelletier for months. Mr. Bagato stated that the Fire
Department conditions have been received by the Planning
Department.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez to continue the request to allow the applicant to (1) add
architectural detail to west elevation, (2) vary height of palms; add taller
palms, and (3) turn ladder on exterior of building into an architectural
element. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lingle absent.
4. CASE NO.: C 02-03
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PETER TAYTAY, ARCHITECTS
ORANGE, 144 N. Orange Street, Orange, CA 92866
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
commercial building.
LOCATION: 77-950 Country Club Drive, Desert Country Plaza, Wells
Fargo Bank
ZONE: P.C.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic to approve by minute motion subject to (1) providing parapet
details, and (2) approval by Landscape Manager. Motion carried 6-0-0-
1 with Commissioner Lingle absent.
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B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: C 02-05
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JOE BRANDT, 507 Tomahawk Drive,
Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of remodel of exterior of building in conjunction with the City of Palm
Desert's Facade Enhancement Program.
LOCATION: 73-020 El Paseo (previously Hooter's)
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant, Joe Brandt, was present. He is
proposing a remodel of three buildings. The Commission had a
question about the wood fascia at the top of the roof. Mr. Brandt stated
that the wood fascia is existing on all the buildings and he might plaster
the wood. Commissioner Hanson stated that she would prefer that he
plaster the wood fascia.
Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for preliminary approval subject to plastering wood fascia at top
of buildings. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lingle absent.
2. CASE NO.: CUP 02-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SPRINT PCS, JANICE BYAL, 4684
Chabot Drive, Suite 100, Pleasanton, CA 94588
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of a wireless telecommunications facility to include a 63' monopine and
equipment shelter.
LOCATION: 300 south of Country Club Drive and 1300 feet east of
Eldorado Drive
ZONE: PR-5
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Francisco Urbina stated that the applicant is proposing either a
monopine or a monopalm at this location. Steve Kaali, applicant, asked
if he could plant taller live pine trees around the proposed monopine.
Mr. Urbina stated that he doesn't know of any pines that would grow
beyond 35' in the desert. There are no existing live palm trees
immediately adjacent to this site. There are some about 150' to the
east but they are in a sunken area. Commissioner Gregory stated that
looking at various angles and photographs of this project and not
seeing any palms, he's wondering if he's introducing an alien element if
they select palms. He's concerned about violating a certain theme in
the landscape design. If a monopalm was selected, would the applicant
add live palms to the vicinity? Mr. Kaali stated that they would plant
additional palms or pines depending on the tower that is selected. He
would like to look into the possibility of finding pine trees that would
grow over 35' in height. Commissioner Gregory suggested using
Canary Island pine trees.
Commissioner Hanson asked if the tower has to be 65' in height. Mr.
Kaali stated that most of the existing trees are 35'-40' in height and the
tower has to be above the crowns of the trees in order for the signal to
transmit.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked how far the site is from Country Club
Drive. Mr. Kaali stated that it's approximately 300' from Country Club.
Mr. Kaali stated that he received verbal approval from the HOA at
Indian Ridge. He doesn't have a written letter from them, but Dana
Brown said that if anyone needed to contact her, that they may.
Commissioner O'Donnell commented that the issue he has is that with
the monopalm the antennae comes out of the fronds near the top of the
tree. A pine tree grows differently where the top narrows to a point. It
doesn't look natural to have the antennae up at the top of a pine tree. It
looks wrong to him. The other issue is about introducing palm trees
where there are different types of trees. Aesthetically, he would laugh
every time he drives by it. Commissioner Gregory stated that he
probably wouldn't notice it after a while, especially if we mitigate it with
a few tall-growing trees. Commissioner O'Donnell also objects to the
height. 63' is too high. Mr. Kaali commented that he could look into the
possibility of bringing the antennae closer to the pole so that they're not
sticking out so much. With the monopines, the antennae has to be
outside of the branches because the branches block the signal. They
have to put them a little further out on the pole because they're not
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underneath the crown of the palm. In order for the signal to transmit
properly, they have to be further away from the pole itself. He's not
sure how set Sprint is on that height. It's his job as a representative to
produce the height that they're proposing. He'll speak with the
radiofrequency engineer to see if they could lower the pole.
Commissioner O'Donnell asked about the diameter of the pole. Mr.
Kaali stated that the pole is 18" in diameter.
Action: Commissioner Gregory moved, seconded by Commissioner
O'Donnell to continue the request to allow the applicant to (1) reduce
height of pole, and (2) add live pines of varying height to the vicinity
(possibly canary pines). Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner
Lingle absent.
3. CASE NO.: CUP 02-25
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): UNITED CHURCH OF THE
DESERT, P.O. Box 1242, Palm Desert, CA 92261
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of congregational church.
LOCATION: 77-577 Mountain View
ZONE: RE-40,000
Mr. Bagato introduced the applicant, Nancy Adams and her friend, John
Schmidt. Mr. Schmidt showed the Commission photos showing the
site. Mr. Bagato stated that he spoke to Ms. Adams about the site plan.
They have the building on the side of the Montessori School and he felt
that it would better to flip the site plan so that the parking lot would be
on the same side as the school so that the parking lot would not be
near the residential neighborhood. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
there will be a lot more activity in the parking lot than on the side with
the building.
Ms. Adams stated that they are a very small church and have only 20-
40 people attending, but the building will hold 100 people. They have
31 parking spaces. Mr. Bagato stated that based on the City's parking
standards, 31 spaces would be adequate for 100 seats. Commissioner
Vuksic asked about the circulation of the parking lot. What happens if
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you drive there and there are no parking spaces? Ms. Adams stated
that the Montessori School has given them permission to park in their
lot if they need to so they won't have to park on the street.
Commissioner Vuksic wanted to know how the cars would get out of the
church parking lot. David Avila, Fire Marshal, stated that the fire code
requires a minimum of 24' for driveway width. The drive lanes have to
be 12' in width. Commissioner Hanson suggested a one-way drive lane
that goes around the building.
Commissioner O'Donnell stated that on the south elevation, the plans
show great shadow lines. He asked the applicant the depth of the
cantilever in this area. Mr. Schmidt stated that it's either 6' or 8' deep.
Commissioner Vuksic commented on the offsets that are accentuated
with shadow that are not reflected in the plan. He asked the applicant
for more details.
Action: Commissioner Gregory moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet to continue the request to allow the applicant to (1) provide
more details on plans, (2) show mechanical equipment locations, (3)
submit materials/color board, (4) submit roof plan, and (5) provide a site
plan that conforms with Fire Department standards. Motion carried 6-0-
0-1 with Commissioner Lingle absent.
4. CASE NO.: C 02-04
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): WENDELL W. VEITH, P.O. Box
1950, Palm Springs, CA 92263
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Revised preliminary
approval of exterior renovation and landscaping of existing Mario's
Restaurant.
LOCATION: 73-399 El Paseo, Vintage Garden Cafe
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicants, Joanna and Alex Davidoff, have
returned with revised plans for the remodel of the existing Mario's
Restaurant. Due to time constraints, they are unable to complete the
remodel that was given preliminary approval at the Architectural Review
Commission meeting of September 10, 2002. The current proposal
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includes the addition of wrought iron trellis structures along the patio
area on El Paseo, painting the exterior of the building and adding an
iron arch with signage. The exterior french doors, entrance with stairs
and plaster archway have been eliminated from the currently proposed
plans.
Commissioner Gregory commented on the landscape and stated that
he was concerned that they have included too many deciduous
materials. During the "season" when the local population increases,
most of the plantings would be bare. The wisteria looks nice during the
summer, when most people are gone, and will look bare during the
winter. The proposed orchid trees are semi-deciduous and won't look
great during the winter. Ms. Davidoff stated that she was aware that
there are a lot of deciduous plants in her landscape plan.
Commissioner O'Donnell suggested adding European-style frescoes to
the blank walls in the areas where they had originally planned to add
the french doors. This would add interest to the building while keeping
with the theme of the restaurant.
There was discussion regarding the wrought iron arch with signage.
The Commission wanted to see detailed plans of the iron work.
Commissioner Vuksic wanted to see how the trellis structures were
going to be connected to the building.
Commissioner Hanson stated that the applicant would benefit by having
an entrance with stairs along El Paseo. It would allow for easy access
for pedestrians walking on El Paseo. The Commission also agreed that
they preferred the plaster archway rather than the iron arch. Ms.
Davidoff stated that she was told by the Building and Safety
Department that if she added the stairs on El Paseo, she would also
have to add a handicap ramp on the patio area. Since she would loose
most of her outdoor seating on the patio, she didn't feel that adding a
ramp would be advantageous. Commissioners Vuksic and Hanson
suggested that the applicant talk to Building and Safety about an
alternative to adding a ramp. Ms. Davidoff stated that she was told that
since the cost of the remodel is over $90,000, then the new
construction will have to be brought up to current building standards.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
O'Donnell for approval subject to (1) add stairs with stucco archway on
El Paseo, (2) a suggestion was made to add European-style frescoes to
blank walls to add interest to the building, (3) cautioned about too many
deciduous plants and trees in landscape plan, (4) approval by
Landscape Manager, and (5) submit irrigation plan to match landscape
plan. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lingle absent.
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5. CASE NO.: PP 01-02 (A)
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SANBORN A/E, INC., FOR CANYON
NATIONAL BANK, 1227 S. Gene Autry Trail, #C, Palm Springs, CA
92264
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of two-story office building at rear of site.
LOCATION: 74-150 Country Club, Canyon National Bank
ZONE: O.P.
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant, Allen Sanborn, is here for
preliminary approval of a two-story office building behind Canyon
National Bank. Mr. Bagato stated that currently a two-story office
building may be 25' in height. The proposed office building has one
section that exceeds the height limit by 2'. Mr. Sanborn stated that he
is housing the A/C equipment in the 27' section so that there is
adequate screening of this equipment.
A discussion was held regarding one portion of an architectural element
which is 34'10" in height. Mr. Bagato stated that this element does not
exceed 10% of the floor area and this will have to be approved by the
City Council.
Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for preliminary approval. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Lingle absent.
6. CASE NO.: CUP 02-15
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JEROME BEAUVAIS, 74-060 San
Marino Circle, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
for second dwelling unit on an R-1 zoned lot.
LOCATION: 44-536, 44-574 Portola Avenue
ZONE: R-1
Jerome Beauvais, applicant, was present and addressed the
Commission. He is asking for approval to construct a detached second
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unit to two different properties on Portola Avenue. The front yard
setback for the existing home at 44-536 Portola will be reduced to 13'
due to widening of Portola by the City of Palm Desert. The front yard
setback for the occupied home at 44-574 Portola will be reduced to 5'.
The City of Palm Desert plans to construct an 8-foot high block wall to
reduce the noise level produced by road traffic.
The existing home at 44-536 Portola Avenue will be remodeled and
enlarged with an attached second unit in the rear yard. The remodel
will include new covered patios, multi-pane windows with brown wood
frames and beige stucco exterior walls. There is no existing covered
parking, therefore, a two-car, flat roof carport with a 20-foot setback
from curb at El Cortez is being proposed. Mr. Beauvais has filed a
variance to reduce the rear yard setback of the R-1 zone from 15 feet to
8 feet. Existing landscaping on the site will remain.
The existing house at 44-574 Portola Avenue has been unoccupied for
many years. It was acquired by the City for widening of Portola
Avenue. Earlier this year, the property was sold to Mr. Beauvais with
the condition that the applicant demolish the front portion of the home
so that it would not interfere with the future street widening. Mr.
Beauvais is proposing a major reconstruction of the existing structure
with some expansion. A detached second unit is proposed for
construction in the rear yard. New covered patios will be added, as well
as multi-pane windows with brown wood frames. The exterior walls will
be beige stucco. The roof of the existing house and the proposed
second unit will contain a combination of flat roof areas with parapet
walls and sloping roof areas with moss green-colored shingles to
resemble slate. A detached two-car, flat roof carport is proposed in the
rear yard with a 12' setback from the rear property line and a 9' setback
from the side property line. Mr. Beauvais has filed a variance to reduce
the rear yard setback of the R-1 zone from 15 feet to 12 feet to
accommodate the carport structure. Access to the carport will be
provided by a newly created alley from El Cortez with an approximate
width of 16'. New landscaping is proposed for this property.
The applicant is a cabinet maker by trade and does all phases of
restoration/remodeling by himself. He has remodeled and landscaped
several other homes in Palm Desert at 74-041 and 74-060 San Marino
Circle and 74-041 El Cortez.
The Commission appreciates the effort that Mr. Beauvais has put into
each of his properties and agreed that the architecture of the proposed
homes would upgrade the neighborhood.
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Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet for approval of architecture in concept. Motion carried 6-0-0-1
with Commissioner Lingle absent.
C. Miscellaneous
1. CASE NO.: MISC
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TED GROULX, 5 Taylor Avenue,
Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Discussion of
commercial building remodel and addition.
LOCATION: 73-261 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant, Ted Groulx, was not present. Mr.
Bagato showed the Commission color elevations of the proposed
remodel and addition to the Tarbell Realty building. After reviewing the
drawings, Commissioner Vuksic commented that it was "too flat and
glassy". Commissioner Lopez stated that the view from the upstairs
offices would be of the rooftop of the addition. Commissioner O'Donnell
stated that the architecture needs to be more significant.
Commissioner Gregory commented that the applicant should add more
landscaping.
Action: No action was taken as this item was for discussion only.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:50 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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