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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 4 0
Kristi Hanson X 3 1
Neil Lingle X 2 2
Richard O'Donnell X 4 0
Chris Van Vliet X 4 0
John Vuksic X 4 0
Ray Lopez X 4 0
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: February 11, 2003
Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to
approve the minutes of February 11, 2003. The motion carried 5-0-0-2 with
Commissioner Lingle and Commissioner Hanson absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
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A. Final Drawinas
1. CASE NO.: SA 03-04
APPLICANT (AND ADDRES�• CITY OF PALM DESERT, Attn:
Frankie Riddle, 73-510 Fred Waring Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT• Approval of revised
non-illuminated signage for Palm Desert Community Garden.
LOCATION: West side of San Pablo Avenue.
ZONE: R-2
This request was withdrawn by the applicant prior to the meeting.
Action: None.
2. CASE NO.: C 03-01
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� PAT & OSCAR'S, 72-840 Highway
111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT:
Request to remove subordinate tower at Pat & Oscar's.
LOCATION: 72-840 Highway 111, Westfield Shoppingtown
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Smith stated that according to information submitted by a
representative of Westfield, the applicant is first required to obtain
approval from Westfield for the exterior modifications proposed.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez to continue the request until Westfield has approved the
proposed revision. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioner Lingle
and Commissioner Hanson absent.
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3. CASE NO.: C 02-05
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JOE BRANDT, 507 Tomahawk Drive,
Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
remodef of exterior of building in conjunction with the City of Palm
Desert's Facade Enhancement Program. Columbia Center
LOCATION: 73-020 Et Paseo
ZONE: PC-3
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion subject to removal of cultured
stone around windows. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioner
Lingle and Commissioner Hanson absent.
4. CASE NO.: MISC 03-08
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: STEVE & LIZA REESE, 73-338
Chicory Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of carport for
a single family home.
LOCATION: 73-338 Chicory Street
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith commented that there are no setback issues with the
structure. Photos of the front of the house as it currently exists were
shown to the Commission. The owner, Steve Reese, is present. At
some point in the past, the home did have a carport. It became
structurally unsound and it was taken down. Most of the front yard is
currently gravel. The applicant will be putting in a concrete driveway in
addition to the proposed carport structure to create shade for his
vehicle.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked Mr. Reese when the house was built.
Mr. Reese stated that it was built in 1949. Commissioner Vuksic stated
that the elevation shows a 1:12 slope, which is what the house looks
like. Commissioner Van Vliet thought that there should be more
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architecture to match the house. Commissioner Gregory asked the
applicant if he could add outriggers to the carport to match the house.
Mr. Reese stated that he didn't want to add outriggers because the
weather would ruin them. Commissioner Vuksic asked how they work
on the house. Mr. Reese stated that he had to put metal plates on the
ends because they were so weathered. Mr. Drell stated that they've
been there for over 50 years. Commissioner O'Donnell asked the
applicant if he could add an overhang all the way around the carport.
Mr. Reese commented that he thought about adding an overhang, but
he doesn't want to do it that way. Commissioner O'Donnell thought that
the carport should tie into the architecture because the house is so
nice. It really needs an overhang that would be 1'/2 all around the
structure.
Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval subject to adding overhang on all four sides.
Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners Gregory, Lingle and
Hanson absent.
5. CASE NO.: DP 12-79
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� DAVE HOKANSON, WESTFIELD
CORPORATION, 72-840 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for approval
of two entries into Westfield Shoppingtown.
LOCATION: 72-840 Highway 111, Westfield Shoppingtown
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Smith stated that Mr. Hokanson is present and would like to have
the above request added to the agenda.
Action: Commissioner O'Donnell moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet to add the above item to the agenda. Motion carried 4-0-0-3
with Commissioners Gregory, Lingle and Hanson absent.
Mr. Hokanson stated that he would like approval of plans for two mall
entries on the south side of Highway 111 adjacent to Pat & Oscar's and
also at JC Penney. He would like to add onto one element, while
reducing the height of the other with a cap across the top, similar to
what they did at Barnes and Noble and then return that back.
Commissioner O'Donnell asked if it will have a back side to it. Mr.
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Hokanson stated that it doesn't have a back side but it does have a 3
'/2' return on both sides. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that they
shoufd bring it back more than 3'/2'. Mr. Hokanson stated that they
could certainly increase the depth of the return. Commissioner
O'Donnell asked how far the roof projects out. Mr. Smith stated that the
projection is 2'. There is no change in the location of signage.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval of the Penney's entrance as submitted with returns
to go back at least 15 feet and approval of entry adjacent to Pat &
Oscar's subject to (1) increase tower by 5' and not lowering secondary
element, and (2) have returns go back at least 15'. Motion carried 4-0-
0-3 with Commissioners Gregory, Lingle and Hanson absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: PP/CUP 98-21
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: RGA LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS,
INC., 74-020 Alessandro, Suite E, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary and final
approval of Country Club wall, parkway and project entry. Villa
Portofino.
LOCATION: Country Club Drive
ZONE: PR-5
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for preliminary and final approval by minute motion subject to
comments by Landscape Manager. Motion carried 4-0-1-2 with
Commissioner Gregory abstaining and Commissioner Lingle and
Commissioner Hanson absent.
2. CASE NO.: TT 29468-2
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STONEBRIDGE PALM DESERT,
LLC, Michael Prock, 3525 Lomita Blvd., Suite 200, Torrance, CA 90505
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NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of floor plans, elevations and typical front yard landscape plans for
single family residential tract (130 lots, Phase II, south section).
LOCATION: 39-100 Tamarisk Row; east side of Tamarisk Row Drive
north of Country Club Drive.
ZONE: R-1
Francisco Urbina stated that the applicant is requesting approval of five
different single story models for approximately 130 lots on the south
side of the tract. Since the time that the staff report was written, staff
looked at the plotting in the cul-de-sac lots a little bit closer and would
like to suggest to the ARC a condition that a revised plotting plan
include a reverse floor plan for seven of the eight lots to reduce the
length of the driveway. Mr. Drell asked the representative, Allan
Levine, if there are paseos located between the cul-de-sacs. Mr.
Levine stated that the sewer lines go through that area and he can't
build a structure over the top of the sewer. Mr. Drell stated that the
paseos were shown on the original approved tract map. What was
shown on the plan was what was approved. Mr. Levine stated that
buildings can't be built over the sewer lines, but it's okay to build walls
in this location. Mr. Drell stated that he wants to see a landscape plan
that incorporates the sidewalk that connects the cul-de-sacs.
Mr. Urbina stated that there is a condition of approval requiring a
revised plotting plan that shows front yard setbacks with garages
varying from 20'-24' in keeping with the previous phase I condition.
This is a condition of approval for phase II as well. The revised plotting
plan and approval of preliminary front yard landscaping plans should be
submitted prior to issuance of a building permit instead of prior to plan
check submittal. There are no sidewalks in the community. Another
condition which was listed in the staff report was to try to have a
minimum of 14' distance between homes where feasible. There are a
lot of areas where there is only 10' between homes. Commissioner
O'Donnell stated that 14' distance between homes can be achieved
throughout the whole project, but he's not sure that there's any distinct
advantage to that. Mr. Smith stated that on Phase I the Commission
had requested 14' separation between buildings to the greatest extent
feasible. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that he studied the setback
issue very carefully and he did realize that once you set the first few
sites that way, then the rest of them fall into place. With homes this
massive with 5' setbacks plus the overhang on the roof, there won't be
any side yard left. Mr. Levine stated that typically one side is dead with
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no gate. The wider side yard wiil have a gate for access to the rear
yard. Mr. Drell stated that if the majority of lots sizes is 10,000 sq.ft. or
above, then the sideyard setbacks are 8' and 12' unless specified
otherwise. Apparently, it was specified in the development agreement
that they're allowed 5' and 9' setbacks.
Commissioner Vuksic asked about the location of the mechanical
closets that would house the air handlers. He would like to see the
location on the plans. The houses are really nice. Some details look
really rich. On the elevations there are areas where there is wainscot
and the lower part of the wall is thicker, however, this is not reflected on
the plans. There's a really big difference between having a thickened
base of the wall and just sticking a trim piece on the wall. Mr. Levine
commented that he is not the architect and doesn't know the answer to
this question. Commissioner Vuksic commented that the stone on the
facade doesn't wrap around on Plan 4. It needs to go back to a site
wall. Make sure that the details are finished off properly so that it looks
rich.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that there's no detail structure
around the windows and doors on the sides of the homes. There are
nail-on windows on the sides and something needs to be done to
improve the aesthetics. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he's not a fan
of trim around the windows, but if any recess can be put into those
windows it would really help. It works really well if you have a 2 x 6
wall, which they don't have. With a nail-on window, they could put a 2 x
4 trimmer and a nail-on window will fit on it. When the plaster is put on,
there is a recess. On a 2 x 4 wall, they could put a 2 x 3 trimmer on to
create some depth.
Commissioner Lopez asked about the materials for the 5' garden wall in
front of the homes. He would like clarification on the types of materials
used. He would like to know where the trash cans are going on the
side yard. People generally don't keep them in their garage. The
spaces that have been created in the plans seem to invite people to
leave the trash cans where they will be visible. The trash cans need to
be in an area that's screened. The plantings don't look like they're up
to Palm Desert's standards. In some of the planters there are only
three plants shown. The courtyards don't show any landscaping. Mr.
Levine asked if they're required to landscape inside an entry courtyard.
Diane Hollinger commented that even if the area is behind a wall, it still
has to be landscaped. Commissioner Lopez stated that there are too
many deciduous trees on the plan. They should look at adding
evergreens. The boulder types aren't called out on the plans. The type
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of edging isn't called out. Diane Hollinger stated that the yard sizes
vary from site to site, therefore, the amount of plant material changes.
There are huge gaps in the landscaping. The landscape architect
should increase the plant palette.
Mr. Levine asked if he could go into plan check. Mr. Smith stated that
he could.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet for approval of architecture subject to (1) clarification on thickened
base of wainscot; plans must match elevations showing thickened base
of wainscot, (2) wrap stonework around side wall on Plans 1 & 4 to site
wall, (3) recess side and rear windows using 2 x 3 nailers on 2 x 4
walls, (5) submit material clarification for 5' optional garden wall, (6)
maintain 14' separation between buildings where possible, (7) study
reversing units in cul-de-sacs, and (8) show location of HVAC air
handlers. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners Gregory, Lingle
and Hanson absent.
Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet to continue the landscaping to allow the applicant to (1) screen
trash can areas, (2) add landscaping to courtyards, (3) change some of
the deciduous trees to evergreens, (4) call out boulder types, (5) call
out material used for edging, (6) add landscaping where there are large,
bare gaps, (7) increase plant palette, and (8) submit detailed elevations
for gates. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners Gregory, Hanson
and Lingle absent.
3. CASE NO.: TT 29468-1
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� STONEBRIDGE PALM DESERT,
LLC, Michael Prock, 3525 Lomita Blvd., Suite 200, Torrance, CA 90505
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Clarification of
conditions of approval regarding patio columns and chimney sizes.
LOCATION: 39-100 Tamarisk Row; east side of Tamarisk Row Drive
north of Country Club Drive, north section.
ZONE: R-1
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Mr. Levine, representative for Stonebridge, stated that there are no
chimneys. They are gas burning fireplaces, which do not require
chimneys. There was concern regarding framing around the vents
where they are visible from the street. On the north side is the railroad,
the east side is the park and the west side is the CVWD well site.
There are four houses that are south of the well site that could have
painted vents and make it an option to have the chimney framed out.
Commissioner O'Donnell stated that this was not the full discussion.
The discussion was also pertaining to areas where neighbors would
see the vent as well as visibility from the street. Mr. Levine asked the
Commission how much people notice the water heater stack and the
vents from the waste pipe. Is it something that people will sit on their
patio and focus on their neighbor's roof? Is it a justified expense to
frame the vents? Commissioner Van Vliet stated that they didn't know
what it would look like because they haven't seen it. Mr. Levine
commented that it will look like a water heater vent. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that if it's that big, he doesn't have a problem with it.
Commissioner O'Donnell asked what the diameter of the vent is.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked Mr. Levine what woutd prevent
someone from burning wood in one of these fireplaces. Mr. Levine
stated that they will tell people that they are gas fireplaces and not to
burn anything in them. Commissioner O'Donnell stated that if it's only a
vent as Mr. Levine is describing it, he doesn't have an issue with it. Mr.
Smith commented that they will see the working drawings and if it's
different than what was described, he will show it to the Commission.
Mr. Levine stated that he will get a cut sheet and show it to the
Commission. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he's concerned that iYs
going to look like a spark arrester that they didn't bother to build a
chimney around.
Mr. Levine stated that the stone around the patio columns in the rear
yard will be offered as an option. This is not something that the
neighbors are going to see. If it's something that the homeowner would
like to add on to it, it will be a buyer option. Commissioner O'Donnell
wanted to know the size of the columns. Mr. Levine stated that they
are 16" square. Commissioner O'Donnell commented that the first time
they looked at the plans, the columns were a lot smaller.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that 18" columns would be best.
Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic to clarify the previous action of January 28, 2003 to (1) increase
column size in rear elevations to 18", and (2) no framing necessary
around gas vent for fireplace provided it resembles a typical plumbing
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vent. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners Gregory, Hanson and
Lingle absent.
4. CASE NO.: MISC 03-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� FRANK URRUTIA, 73-550 Alessandro
Drive, Suite 201, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of architecture and landscape for fire station remodel.
LOCATION: Mesa View Drive
ZONE: PR-7
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 4-0-1-2 with
Commissioner Gregory abstaining and Commissioner Lingle and
Commissioner Hanson absent.
5. CASE NO.: PP 03-02
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� METROPLEX ONE, 45-445 Portola
Avenue, Suite 5, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of two industrial buildings totaling 30,450 square feet.
LOCATION: Technology Drive
ZONE: PCD
Mr. Smith stated that the site for the proposed industrial buildings is
located on Technology Drive, north and west of Cook Street and Gerald
Ford.
Mr. Bagato stated that the buildings have been angled so that the view
from the street would limit the amount of trucks that would be visible.
The design utilizes tilt-up material using various colors of gray. The
applicant has provided screening for all the equipment. A landscape
plan has been submitted which includes shade trees for additional
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screening. The building height is 24' and the height of each storefront
is 10'. The texture of the building is smooth with the exception of a few
panels which have foam panels cast into the concrete so that it recedes
about 1" to create shadow.
Phil Smith was present and stated that the buildings will use typical tilt-
up concrete construction with basic reveals. There is no variety in the
texture, although that was his original thought but he feft that given the
variety of paint colors that the textures would be lost. The entry
volumes will be concrete.
Commissioner Vuksic asked about the area where the parapets come
down. He wanted to know how it would look from the side of the
parapet. Would it go back at all or would he see the side of the higher
parapet? Mr. P. Smith stated that he would see the side of the parapet
which would be the depth of the wall (approximately 8"). Commissioner
Vuksic asked about the type of material used on the mechanical
screens. Mr. P. Smith stated that it will be a very simple, straight
forward corrugated steel panel.
Commissioner Gregory asked for an explanation for the reasoning for
the layout of the different colored panels. Mr. P. Smith stated that it's a
reaction to whaYs existing. Typically, this type of building is big
because they have to be. One of the challenges is to create design
that is cost effective and beautiful across the face of the building. A lot
of existing buildings have a 6' band running along the length of the
building, which is considered the design. He is trying to break up the
facade so that the overall gesture could be broken up into a small
dimension. Commissioner Gregory commented that assuming that this
is a concept which might be embraced, he wondered if this is the best
way that it might be broken up so that there is some kind of play of light
and different shades of a similar color theme.
Commissioner O'Donnell commented that the upper level above the
entrance frames seems really heavy. The color also helps to add to the
heaviness. The 1" reveal will not create enough shadow patterns. Mr.
P. Smith stated that the overall top plane is considered to be the band
that is typically around a commercial building. Rather than going into
the building with the depth (usually the storefront is stepped in 2'-3') he
is trying to reverse that language so that all of the entries are defined
with 10' high volumes that pop out and step out 7' to create the mass of
shadow and depth. The building is left with a lower band and an upper
band that each has its own definition. Commissioner O'Donnell
commented that there are no horizontal elements, which would help to
distinguish one level to another and add another layer of shadowing.
Mr. P. Smith stated that as you look at the project from the oblique you
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will see the entry volumes layer. Commissioner O'Donneli asked about
the elevation that faces the southeast. Mr. P. Smith stated he's looking
at it from Technology Drive.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that this project is going in the direction
of a tilt-up building. The biggest problem is that the roof is so flat even
though he's trying to break it up with some notches. It still seems like a
big box, especially on the back side of the building. Mr. Smith stated
that when the property on Gerald Ford gets developed, this building will
not be visible.
Commissioner Gregory asked the Commission how they feel about the
diagonal twist on the site plan. Commissioner Vuksic stated that it's
very interesting.
Commissioner O'Donnell stated that he can't get over the idea that it
seems like the building is going to topple over. It looks like it's top
heavy. If the proportions were reversed with the first level being 14'
and the second level being 10' it wouldn't be as difficult for him to
accept. Horizontal elements would work on this building. Mr. P. Smith
stated that if he had all the money in the world, he would have glass all
the way around the bottom so that the building would appear to hover
and would distinctly be top heavy.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that the areas that are recessed 1"
where the parapet is visible should have a deeper recess. This is a
suggestion, not a condition. He felt that this was a very interesting
concept.
Commissioner O'Donnell asked if there's any advantage to coloring the
concrete as opposed to painting. Mr. P. Smith stated that coloring the
concrete is difficult in terms of consistency and cost becomes a major
issue.
Commissioner Lopez asked if there's going to be any signage on the
facade. Mr. P. Smith stated that he's trying to incorporate the signage
into the entry volume pop-outs.
Commissioner O'Donnell stated that he's still having some difficulty with
the proportions. He doesn't dislike the design entirely, but he feels that
it's not actually "there" yet.
Commissioner Gregory commented that he would like to see a little less
emphasis on the upper part of the building. He feels that Mr. Smith is
onto something that's going to work. It's a treat to see something fresh
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like this. It needs a little more "tweeking". Mr. P. Smith stated that the
general proportions will have to stay the same.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval subject to returning breaks to parapet into roof.
Motion failed 2-3-0-2 with Commissioners O'Donnell, Van Vliet and
Gregory opposed and Commissioners Lingle and Hanson absent.
A second motion was made to continue the request to allow the
applicant to address the concerns of the Commission. Motion carried
5-0-0-2 with Commissioners Lingle and Hanson absent.
6. CASE NO.: PP 02-21
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� CITY OF PALM DESERT, Attn:
Armando Rodriguez, 73-510 Fred Waring Drive, Palm Desert, CA
92260
CRAIG PEARSON, PEARSON ARCHITECTS, INC., 74-040 Highway
111, Suite 232, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised
preliminary plans for a 3.3 acre expansion to the City's corporation yard
including a 19,398 square foot structure and ancillary facility yard.
LOCATION: 74-075 42"d Avenue
ZONE: SI
Armando Rodriguez was present to address the Commission. He
commented that the Commission had requested at the last meeting to
add larger trees on the Hovley Garden side of the corporation yard. It
was also requested that they install and show the number of palm trees
adjacent to the loading dock and add landscaping between the
carports. They were asked to provide a trellis on the side of the
building. The loading dock area is a heavy traffic area with heavy
equipment going in and out. Trellises in this area would be subject to a
lot of damage in the long term and would be high maintenance. They
have addressed all the other issues, except for the trellises in the
loading dock area. They have added 24" pop-outs along the block wall.
Commissioner Gregory asked the Commission if they felt that their
concerns that were previously expressed have been addressed.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he was unsure of what their actual
original concerns were. Mr. Rodriguez stated that the concerns were
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as follows: (1) Provide additional landscaping on the west wall. Hovley
Gardens is already heavily landscaped. Additional palm trees will be
installed in between the carports. (2) Re-align carports to allow palms
to be placed between structures. (3) Provide a trellis on the west side
of the building. This is a heavy traffic area near the loading dock.
Having a trellis in this area might not work. (4) Provide a larger planter
at the south end of the property. (5) Provide internal roof drains. (6)
Provide additional detail around doors and windows. The same trellis
concept will be applied to the doors.
Diane Hollinger commented that she reviewed the landscape plan. She
and Spencer Knight felt that the trees should be extended along 42nd
Avenue to continue the landscape. The amount of trees used in the
Hovley Gardens screening is too dense.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet for approval subject to (1) continue landscaping along 42"d Avenue
to the east, and (2) reduce density of landscape screening on the south
side. Motion carried 4-1-0-2 with Commissioner O'Donnell opposed
and Commissioners Lingle and Hanson absent.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:37 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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