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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 12 0
Kristi Hanson X 10 2
Richard O'Donnell X 10 2
Chris Van Vliet X 12 0
John Vuksic X 11 1
Ray Lopez X 11 1
Karen Oppenheim X 3 0
Also Present:
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: JUNE 10, 2003
Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim to
approve the minutes of June 10, 2003. The motion carried 5-0-0-2 with
Commissioner O'Donnell and Commissioner Lopez absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
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A. Final Drawings
1. CASE NO.: SA 03-83
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSJ: SOHAIL MULL, 73-983 Highway 111,
Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business
signage.
LOCATION: 73-983 Highway 111, Tribal Touch Rugs & More
ZONE: C-1
Tony Bagato stated that the commission received photos of the existing
signs in their packets. The Code Compliance department received a
complaint regarding the accessory signs on this business. The code
only allows two menu items. Anything more than two menu items
cannot be approved by staff or by the ARC. The applicant has the
option of going to the City Council to ask for an exception. The signs
would meet the allowable square footage if it was approved by the City
Council. There is 50 square feet of lineal frontage and the total sign
area is 39 square feet. The window signage is in a separate category.
Each menu sign is 12" x 7" and the main sign is 18" x 216".
Commissioner Vuksic commented that he doesn't really care about the
square footage that's allowed. He is concerned about the signage
looking appropriate on the building. This looks really cluttered.
Commissioner Oppenheim stated that it looks like a boardwalk.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that typically we don't like to see
signage on the fascias or on the parapets.
Sohail Mull, applicant, stated that the signs are professionally done. It's
fair for the guy down the street but wonders why he's being "nailed" all
the time. It just becomes a headache for him. He showed pictures of
other signage from businesses in the area to the commission.
Commissioner Hanson stated that these signs were not approved by
the ARC. Commissioner Gregory stated that anytime there's a retail
business, signs are going to happen whether they're done through the
process or not. Some of the signs that the applicant was showing the
commission could already be in the process of being addressed by
Code Compliance. Mr. Mull stated that his signs have been up since
January 2003. Code Compliance never cited him for the past five
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months. Don't they drive by his shop at least three times a week? Why
does some other competitor have to turn into a snitch and complain
before anything gets done? He has to call the City before Code gets off
their rear ends and does something. Enforcement shouldn't be based
on complaints.
Commissioner Gregory asked the applicant if he was familiar with the
code. Mr. Mull stated that he's familiar with some of the code after the
code officers came over and talked to him about certain things such as
hanging a rug over his own door that pushes to the outside, which is
"visual pollution". He put a Persian carpet that took three years to
weave by hand over his door and it was called "visual pollution" while
some drunk guy at the corner put up an illegal sign. Commissioner
Gregory stated that the applicant's best bet probably is to go to council
because part of what the ARC does is look at new programs or things
where people start off on the right foot. The ARC has to follow the code.
If the code allows for two menu items on the sign and a certain amount
of square footage, that's what the commission can approve. The
applicant could reduce the number of menu items to two or bring it to
council, which would be his best chance to try to keep the signs that he
has with the argument that they're professionally prepared. Once the
ARC takes an action, the applicant will be in a position to file an appeal.
Mr. Mull stated that he would like to change his main sign to eliminate
the word "Touch" and also change the background color to yellow just
like Yellow Mart, Best Buy, Pete Carlson's and the Clubhouse Deli.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if it was an illuminated sign. Mr. Mull
stated that it is illuminated. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it's a
can sign. Commissioner Vuksic stated that what the ARC has done on
submittals in the last couple of years is starting a precedent of
upgraded signs as opposed to illuminated box signs. Commissioner
Van Vliet stated that typically the ARC doesn't like to see can signs,
especially hanging above the fascia. Mr. Mull stated that when the sign
was put up seven years ago, this was the only location that he was
allowed to use for signage. Commissioner Gregory asked the applicant
if he could use the same can but just modify it. Can it be shortened?
Mr. Mull stated that he intends to use the same can and he will slip in
the new plastic face. Commissioner Gregory suggested raising the sign
up and eliminating some of the menu items. Mr. Mull agreed to raise
the sign, change the plastic face and keep two of the menu items.
Commissioner Hanson stated that the only issue that she would have is
with the bright yellow background of the new sign. She asked the
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applicant if it could be in a color more like his building and the rest of his
signs instead of yellow? Mr. Mull stated that the sign is already made.
It came from another store he has in New Mexico and it fits the same
box. It's an existing sign that he can use. If yellow is the issue, then
Best Buy is the biggest issue to him and so is the deli on Highway 111
and San Pablo. He stated that he would bring in photographs of these
businesses for the commission to review. Commissioner Hanson
stated that they don't need to see photographs and Best Buy is a
registered trademark and is allowed to use yellow in their sign. The
ARC doesn't typically like yellow in general, but when it's a registered
trademark they don't have any choice. Mr. Mull stated that if he has to
re-order the sign it'll cost him $3,500-$3,800. Mr. Smith noted that it
was his own choice to put up six signs without a permit. Mr. Mull stated
that if there is a code then it should be enforced with everybody, not
just him. This is his complaint. Commissioner Hanson stated that we
don't know that they aren't being enforced separately. Unfortunately,
the ARC doesn't get involved with that and they are here to answer
what's before them today. Mr. Mull stated that he'll make the changes
within the next four weeks and it'll cost him $3,500-$3,800.
Commissioner Gregory asked the applicant if he could put the sign up
without illuminating it. The ARC is very careful about bright colors, not
just yellow. If everyone starts competing with one another by who has
the brightest sign, then we have a problem. The ARC tries to keep the
signs subdued. It's not that they don't like yellow, it's any bright color.
If he uses his current sign and doesn't illuminate it so we're not faced
with that concern, is that something that the commissioners could
approve? Commissioner Van Wet wanted to know if the applicant was
proposing to remove all six menu signs. Mr. Mull stated that he would
like to keep two of the signs and move the can up so that it's even with
the fascia. He would like to keep the can sign, which is 8" deep.
Commissioner Van Wet stated that the can needs depth for electrical,
but if he's not going to light it then he should do something else and get
rid of the can. Commissioner Gregory commented that the offer that he
was suggesting was to utilize the sign and the can, relocate it and make
it non-illuminated.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the yellow is such a bright color, even
if it's non-illuminated, it will look almost banner-like. The sign is 16' in
length. Commissioner Van Wet commented that the building has a
simple design and has good lines. Right now it looks totally cluttered
with signage including window signage. Commissioner Hanson stated
that if the main sign had a dark background matching the menu items,
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she would approve it. The yellow is glaring and it doesn't go with
anything else. Why would he want a bright yellow sign when everything
else is so tastefully done. The sign will stick out like a sore thumb. She
would prefer the existing sign to the yellow sign. Commissioner Vuksic
stated if this was a new submittal and the sign hadn't been made, he
wouldn't approve the yellow background. He's trying to consider the
fact that the sign is already made, but he feels that it's going to be
offensive.
Commissioner Gregory stated that the ARC would like to offer
possibilities and suggestions to work with what he has, if possible. If he
can't, then he has options. Mr. Mull stated that he wants to eliminate
the word "Touch" from his main sign because 75% of his clients live in
gated communities. When his delivery truck tries to enter a gated
community sometimes there is some confusion as to whether they are
Tribal Touch or Tribal Rugs. His main business is rugs. 80% of his
clientele are looking for rugs so he wants to change his business name
to Tribal Rugs.
Commissioner Hanson stated that she had to have a sign similar to his
redone for her office. They were able to use the existing plexiglass and
changed the lettering and it cost her $300. Mr. Mull stated that he
agrees with her but his sign has been up for over seven years and has
been weather beaten. When the letters are peeled off, there will be a
faded area that will be visible and would look horrible. Commissioner
Hanson stated that he could have a sign company put on a color over
the top of the letters out from behind. He should check with a sign
company because it's not that expensive to have the sign redone. He
should do it in a way so that it matches everything else that he's doing.
He could keep the existing can, move it up, leave two menu items there
and he would be done.
Mr. Mull stated that at this point he feels that it would be better to go
before the council for the whole thing. He would also like to talk to the
person who approved the deli signs that are bright screaming yellow on
San Pablo. Mr. Bagato stated that the deli signs are temporary
because they're supposed to be going through the facade
enhancement program. The deli signs are non-illuminated. The signs
were not approved by the ARC because they're temporary signs. Mr.
Mull stated that if he doesn't illuminate the signs, then why can't he use
the yellow sign. He stated that he'd rather not be in this meeting but
would rather be in his store hoping for that little lost customer in the
middle of the summer who shows up so that he can pay his bills and
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stay here. It's not much to ask unless the City's goal is to see how
many vacancies they can get on Highway 111 and El Paseo every
summer. He stated that he is willing to move the box up, put his yellow
sign in it and illuminate it and remove all the menu signs.
Action: Commissioner Gregory moved to relocate the can to the fascia,
install the yellow plexiglass nonilluminated sign and use two menu
signs maximum. There was no second to the motion, therefore, the
motion died.
Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim
for approval subject to (1) use existing can, (2) move sign up on fascia,
(3) may change wording to "Tribal Rugs & More", (4) use colors
compatible with existing menu items (not yellow), and (5) reduce
number of menu items on the fascia to two. Motion carried 4-1-0-2 with
Commissioner Van Vliet opposed and Commissioners O'Donnell and
Lopez absent.
2. CASE NO.: MISC 03-21
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): WILLIAM E. RAINEY JR., 44-489
Town Center Way, Suite D, #278, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of a six foot
block wall at 12 feet to face of curb.
LOCATION: 73-498 Joshua Tree Street
ZONE: R-1
Commissioner Hanson stated that the way that it was drawn isn't the
way it would come across. She suggested pulling the wall back so that
one part would come behind it and a wall would radius in front of it.
Changes were made on the plans.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the gates are solid or open. The son-
in-law of the applicant stated that one of the gates would be solid and
the other was unknown. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that the
gate is pretty tall and it would be nice if it were partially open.
Commissioner Hanson stated that the photograph of a similar wall
works so well because of what's behind it. She asked what was behind
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the proposed wall. The applicant's representative stated that the house
is still being designed so nothing is behind the wall. The idea is that the
wall and the house will all go together.
Commissioner Van Wet asked about the landscaping. Mr. Smith stated
that the landscape plans will be submitted with the house plans and will
be reviewed at that time. Commissioner Van Wet asked why the wall is
being put in before the construction of the house. The representative
stated that the owners are getting close to retirement and would like to
get the process started. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that it
makes construction harder with access problems.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet for approval with changes noted on plans. Motion carried 5-0-
0-2 with Commissioners O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
3. CASE NO.: CUP 02-15
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JEROME BEAUVAIS, 74-060 San
Marino Circle, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of coverage
exception, detached carport and a 7' high wood fence facing a public
street with some sections within 15' from street curb face.
LOCATION: 44-536, 44-574 Portola Avenue
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith stated that the neighborhood has been noticed relative to
these exceptions. No one requested to speak to the matter.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners
O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
4. CASE NO.: CUP 02-16
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JEROME BEAUVAIS, 74-041 San
Marino Circle, Palm Desert, CA 92260
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NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of two
carports with setbacks of 16' and 20' from curb face and a 7' high wood
fence facing a public street with some sections within 15' from street
curb face.
LOCATION: 74-060 San Marino Circle
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith stated that the neighborhood has been noticed relative to
these exceptions. No one requested to speak to the matter.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners
O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
5. CASE NO.: CUP 02-17
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JEROME BEAUVAIS, 74-060 San
Marino Circle, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of carport
with setback 20' from curb face and a 7' high wood fence facing a public
street.
LOCATION: 74-041 San Marino Circle
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith stated that the neighborhood has been noticed relative to
these exceptions. No one requested to speak to the matter.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners
O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
6. CASE NO.: SA 03-33
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): IMPERIAL SIGN CO., INC., 46-120
Calhoun Street, Indio, CA 92201
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NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business
signage. Jensen's Minute Shoppe
LOCATION: 42-150 Cook Street, Cook Street Marketplace
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith stated that the applicant would like to add bronze as an
approved color to the sign program. Jim Engle, representative for
Imperial Sign Co., stated that the total square footage for signage is
132 square feet. There is an area of 66 square feet on one face. Mr.
Smith stated that the maximum he could use on the 54' face would be
52 square feet of sign. The sign on the north side would not be an
issue at 90' of frontage. There is also a concern with having three
menu items. They're only allowed two menu items. Mr. Engle stated
that he spoke to the client about the number of menu items. The
argument from the client is that they have a Palm Springs location with
the words "Grocery, Liquor and Deli" and a location in Palm Desert with
the same words. The location in La Quinta will have three menu items.
The Rancho Mirage store has three menu items.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he doesn't think that the
commission could approve three menu items. Commissioner Hanson
stated that she could completely understand if the majority of the
people here in the desert didn't know what Jensen's was. It's a very
well known grocery store and there is no misconception about the fact
that they sell groceries. She suggested that the word "Liquor" be
eliminated.
Commissioner Gregory stated that if their entire signage was their logo
and if it were a copyrighted logo and it includes a menu provision, is the
ARC allowed to approve it. Mr. Smith stated that the size of the
signage would have to be reduced by 20% below the maximum.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked the applicant if the signage was going to
follow the curvature of the front of the building. Mr. Engle stated that he
is going to follow the curvature and will match the radius.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval to add bronze as an approved color and the sign
request revised subject to (1) reducing sign on west side of building to
52 square feet, and (2) eliminate one menu item from both front and
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side signs. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners O'Donnell and
Lopez absent.
7. CASE NO.: SA 03-76
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): IMPERIAL SIGN CO., JIM ENGLE
JR., 46-120 Calhoun Street, Indio, CA 92201
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised
non-illuminated monument sign for apartment complex.
LOCATION: 43-805 Monterey Avenue, Desert Pointe Apartments
ZONE: R-2
Tony Bagato stated that this monument sign was before the
commission two weeks ago when it was continued to allow the
applicant to revise the plans.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners
O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: MISC 03-20
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CENTENNIAL HOMES, INC., 7533
Redwood Blvd., Novato, CA 94945
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of floor plans, elevations, perimeter walls and typical landscape plans
for (4) model types in a 20-lot single family residential tract subdivision.
LOCATION: 73-099 Hovley Lane West
ZONE: PR-5
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he was concerned about carrying
the front architecture around the sides and the back of the building
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using the same type of detailing. If the windows are going to be inset
then he would be fine with the plans. There is some detailing around
the windows in certain plans but other areas have no detailing.
Commissioner Vuksic asked if the exterior walls are 2 x 4. Dick Hunt,
representative for Centennial Homes, stated that the exterior walls are
2 x 8 on the front and 2 x 6 on the sides. Commissioner Vuksic
suggested that the blocking for the nail-on windows be 2 x 4 and inset
the windows. Also, the end caps don't seem to have anything to them.
Mr. Hunt stated that he doesn't know what they're going to be yet.
Commissioner Hanson commented that they should be appropriate to
the architecture. Mr. Hunt stated that the fireplace industry has finally
responded with some UL rated decorative spark arresters. Most
builders won't do anything but a UL rated spark arrester and won't build
a shroud because that typically voids the guarantee and the UL rating
that comes with it. There are now some rated decorative spark
arresters that he feels will be appropriate to the style of architecture.
He could do decorative shrouds on a project of this scale.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented on a notation on the plans that
states that the setbacks, when possible, will have a 14' separation on
the side yards. Commissioner Hanson stated that she looked at that
and very few have less than 14'. Mr. Hunt stated that he can do all of
the homes with 14' side yard setbacks.
Diane Hollinger noted that she does not have landscaping at this time.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Van
Vliet for approval subject to (1) nail-on windows blocked with 2 x 4's
with all windows recessed, (2) spark arrester and shroud plans to be
part of final plan review, and (3) subject to approval by Landscape
Manager. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners O'Donnell and
Lopez absent.
2. CASE NO.: C 02-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TED GROULX, P.O. Box 14083, Palm
Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of revised elevations.
LOCATION: 73-261 Highway 111 (Tarbell Realty building)
ZONE: C-1
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Ted Groulx, applicant, stated that the fire department said that he would
have to put sprinklers in the existing building as well as the new
building. After talking with his engineer, he decided that it wasn't
worthwhile to build a large addition onto the front. Therefore, he has
revised the plans with the same front with one opening but with the
square footage reduced to approximately 1,800 feet. He is going
through the City's Facade Enhancement Program. The new plans have
the same front and he was going to change it to one opening because
Tarbell has decided to move out because they don't like the design and
wanted something different.
Commissioner Gregory stated that he had a site planning comment.
The entry walk looks very awkward because they have it aligned so that
it totally misses any striping on the end of the parking. It makes it off
center and it looks "corny". He wondered if they could make it straight
even though it would take off a piece of the painted stripe. It wouldn't
be a big deal but the way it's planned is a big deal because it'll always
look like a very funny mistake. Mr. Groulx stated that he doesn't have a
problem doing that as long as some insurance company says that he
can't do that.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet for approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners
O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
3. CASE NO.: CUP 02-20
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SBA NETWORK SERVICES, INC./
CINGULAR WIRELESS, 3151 Airway Avenue, Suite F-120, Costa
Mesa, CA 92626
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Reconsideration of
plans for installation of wireless telecommunications tower with
equipment shelter.
LOCATION: 100 Kiva Drive (Bighorn Maintenance Yard)
ZONE: PCD
Mr. Bagato stated that this request has been before the commission a
couple of times. The first time it was denied because it only had
approval from Bighorn management and not the Landscape Committee.
The applicant has returned with approval from the Landscape
Committee at Bighorn. The applicant was in the process of filing an
appeal and going to Planning Commission when the applicant withdrew
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because the Landscape Committee at Bighorn didn't support it. The
applicant contacted Mr. Bagato and informed him that the Landscape
Committee changed their mind. Apparently the homeowners in the
area had contacted them saying that they want more coverage in the
area. Verizon is down the street at St. Margaret's Church which would
cover some of this area. Currently, that's the only tower in south Palm
Desert and it can't cover the whole area. Staffs original position was
that even though there are no palm trees in Bighorn Mountains golf
course, the location of the proposed monopalm was in line of sight of
many palm trees located north of this site. Even though there are no
palm trees in this location, with approval from the Landscape
Committee at Bighorn we would move forward because there are many
palm trees directly across the tree that would provide a foreground and
a background going north or south on Highway 74. Another concern
was if in the future Bighorn decided to install landscaping. Would we
restrict the country club from having palm trees in their landscape
palette? We wouldn't restrict them from adding palm trees. The
applicant, Doug Kearney, was present. The proposed location is on the
corner of Kiva Drive and Highway 74, within the maintenance yard at
Bighorn. It's a total of 50' to the antennae, which are located inside the
"pineapple". The top of the tree is 58' and the base of the pole is 24" in
diameter.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he doesn't have a problem with it
since the homeowner's association has approved it. He agrees that it
doesn't really work over there but it impacts the Bighorn residents more
than anybody else. He has more concern about the equipment shelter.
Mr. Kearney stated that a U wall on a 2' berm surrounds the equipment
shelter so the equipment will be below the wall.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that Bighorn has a strong landscape
committee and he's surprised that they approved it. Commissioner
Gregory stated that it looks like they're proposing a date palm for the
tower. Mr. Kearney stated that he'll make sure that they use a
Washingtonia palm for the tower.
Diane Hollinger asked why the tower couldn't go across the street at the
Canyons where they have about 1,200 palm trees and it would blend in
really well. Mr. Kearney stated that the elevation is lower at the
Canyons.
Commissioner Vuksic asked why he couldn't use a faux boulder for a
telecommunications tower. Mr. Kearney stated that in the Bighorn area
he would have to get electrical and telephone across private property,
which would be very difficult to obtain. In addition, the bighorn sheep
are in this area, which would be another issue. Commissioner Vuksic
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stated that the ARC approved a faux boulder last week at the top of
Highway 74 where it starts to meander. Wouldn't that location serve
Bighorn? Mr. Kearney stated that this is not the primary objective of
this site. There's a dip in Highway 74 that's in between where the
church is and Bighorn. As an added benefit, Bighorn will get service as
well. Mr. Bagato stated that when he met with Sprint on site they did
want to see if it was a big enough site to have a second carrier on the
same site. There wasn't enough room on that site for two carriers
because they had to get the boulder around the hill to face down the
hill. Commissioner Vuksic commented that it seems like there are
endless sites there. Mr. Bagato stated that it comes down to a matter
of access and where they can have electrical and cable to a hillside lot.
There aren't too many lots available. The currently approved site with a
faux boulder is located on a CVWD parcel. If they had to get
easements through private property in Bighorn it would practically be
impossible. Mr. Kearney stated that the dead spot that he's trying to
cover is a stretch between Highway 74 and Mesa View Drive.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he's going to vote against this
because it sounds like there are other options. He's not convinced that
this is the best spot for a monopalm. He thinks that adding palms in the
proposed location would not look appropriate. Mr. Kearney stated that
the palms can easily be changed to Washingtonia palms.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved to deny the request. No second
was made, therefore, the motion died.
Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval subject to monopalm being a Washingtonia
palm. Motion carried 3-1-1-2 with Commissioner Vuksic opposed,
Commissioner Hanson abstaining and Commissioners O'Donnell and
Lopez absent.
4. CASE NO.: PP 01-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): THE FOUNTAINS, 2020 West Rudasill
Road, Tucson, AZ 85704
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Amend previous
approval of 59 assisted living units and replace with 31 casitas.
LOCATION: 41-505 Carlotta Drive
ZONE: PR-10
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Commissioner Hanson asked where the mechanical equipment is
located. Jim Gobel, representative for The Fountains, stated that the
equipment will be located on the roof. They had an assisted living
project that was approved last year. They priced it out and ran a
feasibility study on fifty units and they determined that if they built it they
would lose money for quite a while. They have sold out of the first
phase of the casitas which will be ready in August. He welcomed the
commission to come and see the product in person. He would like to
add more of the freestanding casita units and work on their clubhouse
to include a workout facility and activity area. In the initial design of the
assisted living they had a movie theater, spa and fitness center.
They're adding less units to the previously approved plan but it's a
change from what's been approved.
Commissioner Hanson stated that she's fine with everything but
couldn't see where he was going to put his equipment. Mr. Gobel
stated that they have very high parapets that will screen the mechanical
equipment. There's also an equipment yard near the pool. On the
casitas, the equipment will go on the roofs. The clubhouse equipment
will be housed in the pool equipment yard. Commissioner Van Vliet
stated that the roof-mounted equipment must be completely screened
from view. Mr. Gobel stated that there is also an equipment room
inside the clubhouse.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet for approval. Motion carried 4-0-1-2 with Commissioner
Gregory abstaining and Commissioners O'Donnell and Lopez absent.
5. CASE NO.: PP 03-09
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSJ: PREST-VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, 72-
624 El Paseo, Suite B-6, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of architecture for a two-story, 24,500 square foot office building.
LOCATION: 74-812 Technology Drive, University Business Center
ZONE: PCD/FCOZ
Commissioner Van Vliet asked to see a color board to see what
materials are going to be used. Mr. Urbina showed the commission a
picture of decorative paving similar to what is going to be used. He
doesn't know if there will be a pattern or joints. Staff is requesting a
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revised landscape plan that shows shade trees in the courtyard
adjacent to the benches and also palm trees in the front to better define
the entrance.
Commissioner Hanson asked about the specific location of the
proposed office building. Mr. Smith stated that the location is at Gerald
Ford and Cook Street behind the Hampton Inn. Commissioner Vuksic
stated that the exterior will have different paint colors and textures.
They intend to use smooth and light dash plaster. The smooth occurs
on special elements such as the monolithic elements and dash occurs
on the larger bodies. Commissioner Oppenheim stated that the
building is handsome.
Commissioner Gregory commented on the light bollards in the
courtyard area, which are in a funny location relative to the handicap
access and also the main pedestrian access area. They don't seem to
relate to how they should be working. They might need to take a look
at this. The design is very open. Diane Hollinger stated that the
landscape design will not be included in the motion.
Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval of architecture only. Motion carried 4-0-1-2
with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioners O'Donnell
and Lopez absent.
C. Miscellaneous
1. CASE NO.: MISC 03-19
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): HENRY A. GOTTHELF, NSD
VENTURES, LLC, 7916 Paseo Del Ocaso, La Jolla, CA 92037
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Review and
comments on architectural design revision. Applicant will present color
elevations for comment.
LOCATION: 75-300 Gerald Ford Drive
This item was placed under miscellaneous because plans were not
presented in advance for the commission to review.
Mr. Smith stated that a project has been approved about a year ago at
75-300 Gerald Ford Drive. It was approved as a warehouse/industrial
office complex and consisted of five buildings. The location is on the
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north side of Gerald Ford east of Cook Street. It's across from the
university campus, close to the curve in Gerald Ford.
Hank Gotthelf, applicant, stated that he is the principal of NSD Ventures
and he is in escrow for the purchase of the land from the ownership that
had presented the original concept which was passed by this
commission and was approved. As he went through the purchase
negotiations for the site and reviewing the plans that were approved,
the economics of those buildings which were concrete block and highly
designed buildings could not fit on this site from an economic
standpoint. He would like to use tilt-up construction and is here for
approval of a new elevation design. He will still be constructing five
buildings. He would like the ARC to provide some direction, thoughts
and consideration of the architecture. They're looking to do a new
design and hopefully something that the commission will be happy with.
It's going to be a high-tech office/industrial park. Matt Brady,
representative from Ware Malcomb, is present to answer questions.
Commissioner Hanson asked to see a site plan. Mr. Gotthelf stated
that he can provide the past site plan for the commission to review. Mr.
Brady stated that there are five lots and they're not changing too much.
Each lot had a building in the middle of it, which is basically the same
plan. They're going to provide a full submittal in the near future.
They're working out the details of how the buildings are going to fit on
the site. There are two lots on Gerald Ford. The buildings are tilt-up
concrete construction with green glass. The exterior colors are of the
desert palette. The entries will use a form liner with a stone pattern. It
relates well to all the stone you see when you look around the area.
There are painted metal canopies that are suspended from cables. The
buildings on Gerald Ford are single story but they did articulate the
height at the entries. The landscaping plan will be developed for the full
submittal.
Commissioner Hanson asked if there will be additional entries into the
buildings on Gerald Ford. Mr. Brady stated that there are two entries
so that the building could be divided. Commissioner Hanson stated that
she likes the use of materials. The stone product is very beautiful. The
architecture is rather plain and it will appear very boxy. She hopes that
there's something else that they can do to break it up. The whole
parapet line is exactly the same.
Commissioner Vuksic concurred with Commissioner Hanson. He had
concerns about the depth of what they're representing. It looks
interesting with the use of different colors, but when it's built it will look
almost flat. This is such a large building that it needs to have several
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feet worth of offset for it to work. In areas where there is the stone
pattern, is it on one plane? Mr. Brady stated that it's one plane with two
textures. He'll accentuate the reveal to set the stone apart from the
deeper reveal but they would be on the same plane. Commissioner
Vuksic commented that the parking structure at the mall has different
textures on the same plane and they look like veneer applications. If
you take the texture and make a form out of it, it looks a lot more
substantial and rich. There is some concern about the green glass.
The commission has turned down a lot of reflective glass. This looks
like it's pretty tastefully done. Mr. Brady stated that they are
considering using reflective glass. Commissioner Vuksic asked if he
would consider using something not as reflective. Mr. Brady
commented that there's a trade off. The nice thing about reflective
glass is that the building looks good when it's done. It doesn't matter
what they do inside. If they're putting boxes up against the windows
they'll be visible. If you use vision glass, particularly later in the evening
when you can see in more, you will see whatever is going on in there.
He's done buildings that use both. He likes it but on the other hand if
the tenants are doing things with the blinds, if they're stacking things up
or if there are plants in the windows it doesn't look as clean on the
outside.
Commissioner Vuksic suggested that after the meeting the applicant
should go to the corner of Portola and Highway 111 and look at the two
fairly new buildings there. There's an art gallery and an office building.
You'll see reflective glass and non-reflective glass and you'll see what
he's concerned about. Mr. Brady stated that he has a challenge with
the glass. There is an area at the upper part of the building where
there is no office. If they use vision glass it's going to be open to the
framing above. With reflective glass they can get light into this space
and it still looks good from the outside or they can use spandrel glass.
They have an opportunity to control the way it looks now and into the
future. Commissioner Hanson commented that the desert is really bad
for reflective glass. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he doesn't really
see someone stacking boxes against the spots where he sees glass.
Those look like entries. Mr. Brady stated that he doesn't want to seem
like he doesn't want to change the glass. He's trying to explain why
they've chosen to go this way. Commissioner Hanson stated that his
reasons make sense but somehow he's going to have to get around the
commission's aversion to reflective glass.
Commissioner Gregory commented that he wanted to bring up a point
as a non-architect. This is an office development and what he's looking
at looks like a very nicely designed industrial building. It's superbly
designed. He wonders if his thought ties in with what Commissioner
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Hanson said earlier about how if this were an office development, it
does seem to be very plain. It's very handsome in an industrial sense,
but he doesn't get an office feeling which may be because of lack of
windows. Mr. Brady stated that this is not a pure office park. This is an
office industrial park. The back three buildings will definitely be
industrial use. Commissioner Hanson asked if the front two buildings
will have roll-up doors. Mr. Brady stated that the front two buildings will
have the possibility of roll-up doors along the back side of the building.
The whole zone is office/industrial as it was defined through planning
and through the process of the approval. Steve Melzer and Allen Bixen
from Industrial West, as brokers, are recommending that the utilization
of the two front buildings might very well go to an office-type use and
it's for that reason that the development is skewed on the front buildings
towards a possibility for office users. The entire project could be all
light industrial, office and warehouse-type use. He doesn't think that
the commission should take the position that this is an office park. It's
an office/industrial park. He wants to be able to put in more windows if
the need arises. Commissioner Gregory asked how he would do that
with a tilt-up structure. Mr. Brady stated that there are knock out
panels. The structure is designed to be able to knock out holes for
windows.
Commissioner Hanson stated that some consideration should be given
to the front two buildings if they already believe that they're going to be
used for office space. The design direction needs to go towards office
use. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the architecture of the front
buildings is more important than the back buildings. Mr. Gotthelf stated
that there's no doubt that the buildings along Gerald Ford will have to
have some knock out panels for glass for the tenants. He would rather
be able to knock out panels than put in more glass to begin with.
Commissioner Gregory stated that he doesn't think that he has to do
that. The City is going to be looking at the two front buildings. Even if
the buildings aren't going to be used for office space initially, they can
always put in the openings and use spandrel glass. It should be shown
that way to start with, not the other way around. The applicant will have
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a better chance of getting through this whole process if they look at it in
that sense. If the two buildings that they show on Gerald Ford are used
on the rear portion of the site they would be excellent. Mr. Gotthelf
agreed.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:08 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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