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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 16 3
Kristi Hanson X 16 3
Richard O'Donnell X 10 9
Chris Van Vliet X 18 1
John Vuksic X 17 2
Ray Lopez X 18 1
Karen Oppenheim X 9 1
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Spencer Knight, Landscape Manager
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 23, 2003
Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to
approve the minutes of September 23, 2003. The motion carried 4-0-0-3 with
Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
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A. Final Drawings
1. CASE NO.: MISC 03-39
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): WILLIAM H. TRAUSCH, 3158
Ducommun Avenue, San Diego, CA 92122
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval to
construct a 6' high slump block wall 6' from the curb.
LOCATION: 74-380 Velardo Drive
ZONE: R-1 9,000
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion subject to (1) obtaining
encroachment permit from the Public Works Department, and (2)
planting vines on the exterior of the wall. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with
Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
2. CASE NO.: SA 03-136
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ATEF M. TAHR, 73-399 El Paseo,
Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
business signage and storefront remodel.
LOCATION: 73-399 El Paseo (formerly the Vintage Garden Cafe)
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith presented colored exhibits to the commission, which were
received late last week. The Picanha restaurant, formerly the Vintage
Garden Cafe, is located on El Paseo.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the proposed awning structures were
see through. Atef Tahr, applicant, stated that they're proposing solid
awnings. Commissioner Van Vliet asked the applicant if they intended
to use a metal frame for the awnings. Mr. Tahr stated that they would
use a metal frame. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the plans showed
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a 6" wide metal frame at the corner and he wanted to know how big it
was. Mr. Tahr stated that he didn't know what the sizes were.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that some of the panels were
vertical and some tilted back and followed the angle of the old roof and
wanted to know if there were any returns on the side, or is it open. Mr.
Tahr stated that it returns back. His own personal choice would be the
option that doesn't utilize any awning at all. They would paint and add
the supergraphics.
Commissioner Hanson commented that the awnings made the building
look too big and too boxy. She suggested painting the mansard roof a
tan color.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he likes the supergraphics. It adds
some spice to the building. The awning idea with the tilted panels is
very interesting.
Commissioner Hanson stated that she would vote for option D which
includes painting the roof and adding supergraphics.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval of option D (painting roof and adding supergraphics
to the exterior of the building). Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with
Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
3. CASE NO.: SA 03-140
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALMS TO PINES CANVAS, 69-64
Sugarloaf, Mountain Center, CA 92561
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of five
awnings (no signage).
LOCATION: 73-470 El Paseo, El Paseo Square
ZONE: C-1
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 3-0-1-3 with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioners O'Donnell,
Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
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4. CASE NO.: SA 03-138
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SURESH SHAH, 40-530 Morningstar
Road, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
building identification monument signs for Morningstar Plaza.
LOCATION: 73-733 Fred Waring Drive
ZONE: OP
Mr. Smith asked the commission for comments on the proposed
monument signs. Commissioner Van Vliet asked why they need two
signs. They're big enough so maybe one would be enough. The
proposed signs don't match the architecture of the building.
Commissioners Hanson and Vuksic suggested that they incorporate
elements of the building more effectively. Commissioner Vuksic stated
that the proposal looks like a billboard held up by two posts.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that there's no design to it.
Commissioner Hanson concurred. He should use similar materials that
were used on the building. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that
they already have signs on the building. People find the building by the
address. Commissioner Hanson stated that you don't have to have
your name on the outside of everything. The building is nicely detailed
and this is a very poorly detailed monument sign. Mr. Smith stated that
the tenant names will consist of rout-out aluminum pan with translucent
graphics. Commissioner Hanson commented that signs should
announce either the building or the tenants, but they shouldn't do both.
The purpose of having the name of the building on the sign is so that
people know that this is where their tenant is. Make a choice.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet to continue the request to allow the applicant to revise plans
by adding architectural detail which is more consistent with the
architecture of the building. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners
O'Donnell, Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
5. CASE NO.: MISC 03-41
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APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): MARK DUNCAN, 78-503 Orcabessa
Drive, Bermuda Dunes, CA 92201
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
single family home with 18' roof height.
LOCATION: 77-660 Robin Road
ZONE: R-E 40,000
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with
Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
6. CASE NO.: SA 03-141
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): HEALTH NUTZ, 74-121 Highway 111,
Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
non-illuminated red awning with business signage.
LOCATION: 74-121 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith stated that this is a re-cover of an existing awning. Photo
simulations were presented for the commission to review. The awning
is currently a forest green awning and the applicant wishes to change it
to a "livelier" red. Commissioner Van Wet commented that that's an
understatement. Fine Score, representative of Riofine Neon, stated
that right next door is the Complete Home Entertainment store and
Blinds, Etc... which both have red in their signage so the proposed
awning wouldn't be the only red in the area. Manhattan Bagel, which is
located down the street, has a large, red sign that looks nice.
Commissioner Hanson stated that there's a big difference between
having red letters and having a red awning. Ms. Score stated that there
is a definite difference, but that's the purpose of having a red awning.
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Her client would like to have more visibility. The awning is non-
illuminated so at night it's not going to be any different.
Commissioner Van Wet thought that it was going to be "too much"
having an all red awning. It's too shocking.
Commissioner Lopez asked if they could use a lesser red color. Ms.
Score showed commission a duller red that they could use.
Commissioner Hanson stated that it's still too red. Commissioner
Lopez asked the commissioners if they were adverse to any kind of red.
Commissioner Van Vliet suggested using more of an earth tone.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that it has to do with the whole scale.
If it was a small awning on a larger building facade, then it might be
okay. However, in this case, the awning is the building facade.
Commissioner Hanson asked the applicant if they could use red letters
on a tan awning. The business owner stated that she looked at that in
different locations and she didn't think it was very attractive.
Commissioner Vuksic suggested possibly using a rust color because
it's much more subdued than the primary red color. Ms. Score
commented that her client did not want to use rust. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that they need to choose a color combination that will
give the awning more punch without being too hard on the eyes. He
asked Ms. Score if she could produce some computer-generated
graphics using different color combinations. It's hard to look at a
swatch and choose a color. Earth tones will still give the applicant a
pretty wide array of colors. It was suggested that the awning be more
subdued and give the letters more punch.
Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson to continue the request to allow the applicant to return with
computer-generated options showing different color combinations.
Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and
Oppenheim absent.
7. CASE NO.: SA 03-145
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PARAGON SIGNS, 77-650 Enfield
Lane, Palm Desert, CA 92211
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NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for approval
of double-sided illuminated can sign. The Inn on Ell Paseo.
LOCATION: 73-445 El Paseo
ZONE: C-1
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion subject to using an ivory-colored
plexiglass background. Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners
O'Donnell, Gregory and Oppenheim absent.
8. CASE NO.: MISC 03-37
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CAPTAIN COOK'S SEA GRILL, Dee
Dee Wallquist, 72-191 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
exterior color change.
LOCATION: 72-191 Highway 111, Captain Cook's Sea Grill
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Drell stated that the commission is reviewing what's already been
done. The building and monument sign have already been painted.
We are operating under the assumption that when the ARC approves a
project they approve it with color and changing the color would require
an amendment of the ARC approval.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that after reviewing the photographs he
felt that the ARC never would've approved the current color scheme.
He hasn't seen the building in person.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that the colors are subdued, but
something about it bothers him.
Mr. Smith stated that this item is not on the agenda today. Given that
there are only four commissioners present and Commissioner Hanson
probably won't be participating, it probably makes sense to hold this
item over until there is a full compliment of commissioners present so
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that we can get a broader consensus. We could continue it and we'll
hopefully have the full contingent at the next meeting and get the
opinion from everyone. Commissioner Hanson stated that maybe
everyone would have a chance to go out and look at the building in
person.
Commissioner Vuksic compared the restaurant to the Clint Eastwood
movie, High Plains Drifter, with all the primary colors on the buildings. It
looks very un-natural.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez to continue the request to all the commissioners to visit the site.
Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and
Oppenheim absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: PP 03-11
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): RICK EVANS, 71-800 Highway 111,
Suite A224, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of revised elevations for commercial/retail buildings in Wonder Palms
Master Plan of Development.
LOCATION: Southwest corner of Gerald Ford and Cook Street
ZONE: PCD
Rick Evans, applicant, was present and stated that he has returned to
the ARC in response to the questions that were raised by this
commission the last time we met. Revised plans were included in the
commissioner's packets for their review. Chuck Crookall, who is doing
the office portion, was also present to talk about phase I and overall
phasing. Michael Robinson, architect, was present as well as Tal
Jackson, landscape architect to make a presentation.
Mr. Crookall stated that nothing has changed on the original site plan
except some circulation issues. They intend to break the project up into
estimated phasing. Phase I will include office/retail. Phase II will tie in
with the retail. What was not discussed at the last meeting was five
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office buildings ranging in size and he intends to map these buildings
for sale. He's trying to tie the office buildings in with the retail by adding
a trellis component. Trash enclosures have been incorporated
throughout the entire project. 75% of the parking in the office
component is going to be covered. They intend to use fabric for the
covering. This will create an eyebrow across some of the buildings.
Commissioner Vuksic asked about the eyebrows. Mr. Crookall stated
that they'll have covered parking principally along the front of the
buildings and adjacent to the buildings. As you look towards the
building it will look like eyebrows. There won't be any eyebrows on the
building. Mr. Drell stated that the applicant would like to use a fabric
awning covering the parking. Mr. Crookall stated that the material will
be similar to what was used at the Palm Springs airport. It's a very
durable material and they will blend it in with the color scheme of the
project. Spencer Knight asked if it's the teflon-coated material or pvc-
coated material. Mr. Crookall commented that he wasn't sure which
way they were going on that. Mr. Knight commented that pvc won't
hold up. Mr. Crookall stated that they'll use the teflon-coated material.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the equipment will be screened from
view on the roof. Mr. Crookall stated that the equipment will be hidden
behind the parapet. Commissioner Vuksic asked about the roof access
location. Mr. Crookall commented that access is through the interior of
the building.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the two elevations for the office
buildings look very nice. Mr. Crookall stated that every building in the
first phase will reflect these elevations. Phase II and III may be slightly
different.
Michael Robinson asked the commission if he should address the
plans, page by page. Commissioner Hanson suggested that he hit the
highlights. She asked if they had addressed the bus stop issue yet.
Mr. Jackson stated that there's a bus stop across the street and right
now they're talking to Sunline about how the route is going to be
handled. Commissioner Hanson asked about the sidewalk along Cook
Street. Mr. Jackson stated that the sidewalk remains along Cook
Street.
Mr. Robinson commented that he has revised the courtyard space.
Previously, there was concern about the plaza becoming too narrow
and closing up visibility into the center. Therefore, they've stepped the
buildings down and created little pavilion buildings that are off the main
tower with the idea that they'll be more open-type buildings. There may
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be doors that fold open allowing a free circulation through them.
Hopefully, this will include a portion of the seating for a restaurant.
Mr. Drell asked if the signage will really be as it's shown on the plans.
Mr. Robinson commented that there will be a lot more effort placed in
the design of the pavilions and the signage will be integrated into the
buildings. The idea is to have a big signage element for the restaurants
that are below. How it ties into the building will be worked out more in
detail. Commissioner Vuksic stated that if it was well done, it would add
a nice texture to the top of the element. Mr. Drell stated that currently
our ordinance prohibits signs above the eave or top of the parapet. Mr.
Evans commented that they felt that because the pavilion buildings are
the lowest of all the buildings, he prefers the sign on the roof. With a
smaller letter than normal, it gives a huge amount of identification for a
quality tenant that really shows off nicely at the corner. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that he felt that it looks better with the sign than without
the sign, which says a lot. Mr. Evans stated that it's a very European
sort of engagement of the signage. Commissioner Van Vliet
commented that the signs will come in under a separate submittal.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she likes the pitched roofs on
the buildings, rather than the flat roofs.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the plans don't show the glass on the
tower element and he wondered if the glass would be recessed. Mr.
Robinson stated that the intent is to have glass on the higher tower that
wraps down to the ground. The glass would be recessed from the face
of the building. Commissioner Vuksic commented that it looks like the
glass on the lower pavilion element is recessed a couple of feet. Mr.
Robinson stated that the glass on the tower element would typically be
recessed approximately 8"-12" so that there's shadow across the face
of the glass. It was probably a little clearer on the larger set of plans,
which were shown to the commission at a previous meeting.
Commissioner Vuksic asked if the pavilions had 2' x 2' columns with the
glass recessed about 18". He asked Mr. Robinson if he thought that
this would be aesthetically preferable to have the glass recessed that
amount on the larger tower element or to have it recessed less than
that. Mr. Robinson stated that the more that they recess the glass, the
better it's going to appear. Commissioner Vuksic asked if they could
recess the glass at least 18" instead of 8"-12". Mr. Robinson stated
that 12"-18" probably won't be a problem. Commissioner Vuksic stated
18" is the preferable amount of recess. Mr. Robinson commented that
that would probably work out.
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Mr. Robinson stated that the retail 1 and 2 buildings have been revised.
He has broken up the awnings, changed the storefronts for a little more
vertical proportion and connected the stone piers with another fascia
element to break that away from the rest of the buildings and put stone
around the tower to give it a more vertical feel and individual character.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that the changes have made a huge
improvement. They've done a lot to reduce the overly strong horizontal
feel and by breaking down the glass into small pieces, they've
enhanced the verticality of it. This is well done. He asked about the
material for the pitched roof. Mr. Robinson stated that they'll use a
metal type of material on the pitched roof.
Mr. Robinson stated that they've reiterated the roof form of the center
court onto the main tower. Stone has been wrapped around the porte
couchere. The glass will be recessed to create shadow lines.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that he has real concerns about the
hotel. Right now it looks very flat and boxy. The entry element looks
like a token thing that has been added to the tower element and it still
has a very big, flat wall with windows stuck in it. The elevations need
quite a bit of work. Mr. Robinson stated that because of the nature of
the hotel, there's a pretty strong rhythm of rooms. He's broken up the
building on the edges to create dimension and then the middle is
broken up in the middle with the porte couchere and the roof. There's a
big frame around the entry that will be pushed out from the building.
They have recessed the windows and they've projected eyebrow-type
shade elements on the windows of the typical rooms. The eyebrows
project approximately two feet to create shadow lines. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that he may have put himself at a disadvantage by
representing this in such a working drawing kind of way. It might look a
lot better with shadows. It looks awfully stark.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that they haven't made any
substantial changes, except for the entryway. Mr. Robinson stated that
there will be an operator for the project and he's going to have a
limitation of what he wants to do as well. We have to push him to a
certain extent to get as much as we can but we need to be open and
negotiate as well. Mr. Drell stated that there's no specific hotel yet.
The goal is to set a benchmark to say that we're looking for something
like this or better. To get into too many fine points may be a waste.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that it's possible that a hotel owner could
come in and say that they want to do it exactly like this and this has
already been approved. It needs to meet a standard. Even kept as
generic as possible, it still needs to meet a standard.
Mr. Drell stated that this is the biggest building in the project and it
should not be approved as a specific building, but the architectural
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character should be approved. The design should be consistent with
the vocabulary of the rest of the center.
Mr. Evans stated that what he is requesting is overall master plan
approval of the project. What he's requesting in phase I is a more
specific approval for the architectural detail. He sees the hotel design
as being one step beyond schematic, but it's certainly not a step into
design development. He's looking for approval on the concept of the
hotel, overall height of the hotel and basic design elements. This is a
character study of what a hotel might look like given the style of
architecture of the center. This will be the subject of its own review
process.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that they went way beyond the site
plan. If they had just come to the City with a site plan, we would've
asked for more. Mr. Drell stated that they need more than a site plan.
They have to have enough buildings to show that this is the character of
the center. I think they've done that. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
in the case of the hotel, what the applicant would really like at this point
is for us to say that it's okay to put a hotel there and it can have this
many rooms. Mr. Evans stated that he would be happy if they would
say that the architecture is the minimum requirement, as opposed to
the only requirement. He's done a lot of research on the hotel. They
realize that it's going to be the dominant building on the site, they also
think the flavor of it has a good balance with the university buildings that
are going up on the other side of the street. They've tried to pay
attention to those elements, not just a building standing alone. He'd like
the ARC to approve this as a minimum standard, as opposed to the
ultimate standard. He feels that they've gone a long way to accomplish
a lot more with the hotel. The operator is going to have to come in and
work with the ARC.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that he would approve the general
massing and concept. This means that the height of it, the fact that
they have a three-story element that runs the length of the building with
some softening elements that are not as massive on the ends to soften
it up and that they're doing something to punch out the entry. Those
are massing elements. It's just a matter of articulating them a little
better. He couldn't approve the elevation. Mr. Evans thought that they
were saying the same thing and connected with what he was saying.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that the hotel operator would also
have to have any changes approved by Mr. Evans as well as the ARC.
Tal Jackson reviewed the site plan with the commission. Mr. Drell
commented that the only purpose of having a curbside landscape strip
is if it's wide enough to put a tree in it. To have curbside landscape
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strips with desert landscaping has no purpose. A tree would start to
show the boundary of the street and visually bring the landscaping
toward the highway. Mr. Jackson stated that he understood through
the Public Works Department that trees can't be placed between the
sidewalk and curb. Mr. Drell stated that if they have enough room, they
can.
Commissioner Lopez stated that a lot of times people are constricted by
space. Mr. Drell stated that they have lots of room. Commissioner
Lopez stated that a small tree can grow to be 25'-30' wide so you
always have L-shaped trees that hang over into the street. Mr. Drell
commented that some of our prettiest streets have trees lining them.
The prettiest street in the desert is on Cook Street between Fred
Waring and Highway 111. Part of what trees do is break up the
massive expanse of concrete and asphalt.
Commissioner Lopez stated that you can set a tree 20' back and it'll still
come right to the curb. If you have the room, then adding trees would
work but a lot of times there are space constraints. Mr. Drell
commented that they have 35' feet between curb and building. Look at
streets with trees and streets without trees. The streets with trees look
more attractive. Instead, they're putting the trees right up against the
buildings, which are just going to screen the buildings that we're making
look so wonderful. The trees belong closer to the street and not so
close to the buildings. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the desert
landscape is beautiful.
Mr. Evans commented that from his standpoint, he's got to have trees
in the right places. He's not at the level to know exactly where they're
going to be. What he's trying to represent is a landscaping plan that
meets the characteristics that Mr. Jackson and Ms. Hollinger have
talked about over the last few weeks to try to settle it down so that it
makes sense. He feels that where they need to put money in trees is
along the sidewalk. His first choice is Main Street. The second place is
the parking lot where people need shade for cars. The third place is to
enhance the streetscape. The debate of where they're going to go
depends on where they have space near the meandering sidewalk. He
wants to look at it from a strategy standpoint, as opposed to just an
isolated area. It may mean that he'll have to talk to Ms. Hollinger in
Public Works about a few more trees that aren't even currently allowed
under the water restriction issues. Mr. Knight stated that there is no
leeway there. Mr. Drell stated that they have plenty of trees, but they
need to place them in appropriate places. They might even have too
many trees unless they want to use palm trees.
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Commissioner Van Vliet commented that it's nice to have a variety of
trees for screening, such as along Cook Street toward the freeway. Mr.
Knight stated that the landscape plans don't include enough information
for him to approve them at the preliminary level. Mr. Evans stated that
he's trying to meet the requirements of the ARC and that's what he's
asking for. When they go to Planning Commission, they'll have a
feeling that the staff and ARC are comfortable with the project and that
they've met their requirements and have good communication with the
City.
Mr. Knight stated that the Public Works staff probably won't be
comfortable with these plans going to the Planning Commission. The
landscape plans are too vague. Right now, based upon what he sees,
they won't pass the water calculations. He would have to guess at the
shrub content and they have fountains in front, which will be a point of
issue. Mr. Smith asked Mr. Knight if the tree palette was in the range of
being acceptable. Ms. Hollinger stated that she doesn't have a current
landscape plan. Mr. Jackson stated that he faxed a list to Ms.
Hollinger. Ms. Hollinger commented that she needs to know where the
plants are going. Mr. Knight stated that on a project this big, it's too
early and too vague to give it preliminary approval. He could give it a
nod and say that they're headed in the right direction.
Commissioner Lopez suggested that they run some preliminary water
calcs. This will let them know how many low water plants and low
water trees they'll need. Mr. Jackson stated that the majority of their
plants are low to moderate water use plants. These plants were
selected from the palette that they received from the City. Ms. Hollinger
stated that she needs quantities. Mr. Jackson stated that they're on a
conceptual level with the landscape plans. Commissioner Lopez stated
that he felt that they're heading down the right path. Ms. Hollinger
concurred.
Mr. Evans wanted to know what he has to do to get to the point where
staff is comfortable with the landscape plan. He's tried to work through
these issues and he's just sort of scratched the surface. Mr. Drell
stated that they have to get into greater detail, especially on the larger
planting areas. He suggested that they start with the corner to show
what the basic density and mix of plant material. On that, they can run
their water calcs so that they can get an idea of what they have to do
for the remainder of the project. They have to produce a detailed
landscape plan, which is almost at the working drawing level to get the
idea of what they have to do overall to ultimately meet the
requirements. Mr. Knight stated that his concern is that they have to be
far enough down the road with the landscape design so that when they
go to the Planning Commission, if there are any changes, they're not
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significant. It's much better to address landscape issues at this point,
then after the Planning Commission reviews the plans.
Commissioner Hanson suggested that the landscape architect choose
a section and do the water calcs on that area so that he can start to
figure out what he might be doing from there. They're not saying that
the whole site needs to be done right now. Commissioner Vuksic
suggested that they pick a typical spot to start with.
Mr. Evans stated that this project has been designed as an overall
cohesive plan. He's laid out the grading, buildings and all of the ADA
issues. Basically, they have a landscaping plan that meets at least
conceptual standards set by the City. It if takes 2-5 weeks to get the
water calcs completed, then those calcs will hold up the project. Mr.
Knight commented that the Public Works Department is not looking for
construction drawings. They're asking for a concept for how the shrubs
are going to be laid out. They need numbers. Preliminary plans do not
have water calcs on them. The reason why they don't require water is
because they have plant numbers. They can take an estimate and see
if the plan will work. Right now, they have no way to tell. If they had
plant numbers, they'd have something to work with. This has been
communicated to the landscape architect. Construction documents are
far beyond what they ask for in preliminary plans.
Mr. Jackson asked that from a planting standpoint, does Mr. Knight
want the quantities shown on the plan in a laid-out form. That's a
construction document level plan. Mr. Knight stated that they aren't
construction documents. A construction document package includes a
lot more detail. Mr. Jackson stated that he designed the landscaping at
the Marriott's Shadow Ridge and he had to lay out every shrub at an
early stage and he certainly hopes that this isn't the case with this
project. Some of the site elements are going to change so he doesn't
want to get too detailed in his landscape plan. Mr. Knight commented
that he just wants to know the general idea of where the landscaping is
going, then he can give him a nod. If they want some kind of stamp
that says that this is approved, the first stamp is for preliminary
approval. If this is not resolved here, then the Planning Commission
will be made aware that the plan has not approved. We've had
situations like this where we've given conceptual approval, Planning
Commission has approved the plans and then they couldn't plant what
the conceptual plans had stated.
Commissioner Hanson stated that it doesn't take that long to count
trees and shrubs. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that typically
the landscape plans really do follow behind preliminary approval. The
ARC could give preliminary approval of architecture only.
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Mr. Evans suggested that the concept of the landscape plan could be
approved subject to water calcs with plant quantities to follow, subject
to the approval of Public Works. We know it's subject to construction
drawings. It's a well landscaped project, the concept is desert friendly
and water friendly. He's heard a lot of comments about palm trees.
Ms. Hollinger has been very helpful. She has suggested 3-4 street
trees that are more water friendly. He commented that he wants a
project that people in Palm Desert will really like.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the evolution of the project has been
really great. He could see that an effort was made to take what was
good from the discussions and improve in those areas and it really
shows. It's nicely done.
Mr. Evans commented that the ARC has been very good about being
patient with his learning curve and he expressed his appreciation.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for preliminary approval of architecture for retail and office
selection and determining that the hotel elevation is acceptable from a
massing and conceptual perspective with the understanding that further
review will occur when the actual end user is known. The landscaping
is headed in a generally acceptable direction, subject to further work
with respect to water calculations, as well as tree and shrub quantities.
Motion carried 4-0-0-3 with Commissioners O'Donnell, Gregory and
Oppenheim absent.
C. Miscellaneous
A representative from KESQ TV, Bob Velans, Director of Engineering,
was present and asked the commission to review plans for a
communications antenna. Mr. Urbina stated that his case has not been
scheduled at this point.
Mr. Smith stated that the proposed antenna is located on Melanie
Place. Mr. Urbina presented a photo simulation to the commission
which showed two palm trees and a tower. Mr. Smith suggested that
the commission give Mr. Velans some preliminary input and no action
will be taken at this time. Mr. Velans stated that there is an existing
tower with antennae. Their business has changed, as well as the FCC
rules and regulations, therefore, the current tower is no longer sufficient
to support the upgrades that they have to put in place to fulfill their
obligations to the FCC and the community. They're putting in a new
television transmitter for Spanish-speaking programming and they have
to have a larger dish to handle it. The proposed height of the tower is
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80'. The existing tower is approximately 56'. Commissioner Van Vliet
asked where it mounts on the building. Mr. Velans stated that it will be
in the front of the building. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if it could be
put in the back of the building. Mr. Velans stated that there's no room
in the back. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that he didn't feel that
it would be appropriate to place an 80' tall tower in the front of the
building. Mr. Velans stated that they have numerous satellite dishes
that take up a lot of room. Mr. Urbina commented that there are
several carports. Commissioner Van Wet stated that the carports could
be modified. Mr. Velans commented that the tower could not be
installed on the top of the building due to structural issues.
Commissioner Vuksic asked about their parking situation. Mr. Velans
stated that the parking is extremely tight. Most of the parking spaces
are generally full, except for their guest parking and handicap parking.
Commissioner Vuksic suggested getting rid of a couple of parking
spaces and putting the tower in that location. Commissioner Hanson
asked if the tower has to be 80' in height. Mr. Velans stated that it does
have to be 80'. Commissioner Vuksic asked if the tower requires a big
space. Mr. Velans stated that it's approximately 11' x 11' at the base.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that they've built right up to the property
line, leaving no empty space. He asked if all the satellite dishes on the
property are active. Mr. Velans stated that they are and they've just
upgraded their ABC dishes and they're going to be upgrading their FOX
dishes. The proposed tower would require microwave transmitters and
receivers. The area in the front, next to the building would be ideal
because the equipment could be installed in the building, however, they
would be required to build an equipment structure if they located the
tower in the parking lot. Commissioner Hanson suggested that the
applicant take a hard look at other possible solutions. Commissioner
Vuksic commented that the tower might actually look better located
closer to the building rather than being out in a vacant area.
Commissioner Lopez commented that at least this is located within a
business park.
Mr. Smith commented that this case is not on the agenda,
consequently, staff has not gone to the site to shoot photographs. He
suggested that this request be added to the next agenda.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:30 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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