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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-09-09 CITY OF PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 **************************************************************************************************** I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. II. ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 15 2 Kristi Hanson X 14 3 Richard O'Donnell X 10 7 Chris Van Vliet X 16 1 John Vuksic X 15 2 Ray Lopez X 16 1 Karen Oppenheim X 8 0 Also Present: Phil Drell, Director, Community Development Steve Smith, Planning Manager Tony Bagato, Planning Technician Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: AUGUST 26, 2003 Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Lopez to approve the minutes of August 26, 2003. The motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner O'Donnell absent. IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS A. None. 1 'err✓' ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES A. Final Drawings 1. CASE NO.: SA 03-110 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PROMOTIONAL SIGNS, INC., 20361 Hermana Circle, Lake Forest, CA 92630 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business signage. Tarbell Realtors Education Center LOCATION: 73-712 Alessandro B2 ZONE: Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded. by Commissioner Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. 2. CASE NO.: C 02-06 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PREST-VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, INC., 72-624 El Paseo, Suite B6, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of sign program for Palms to Pines Central. LOCATION: 72-760 El Paseo ZONE: PC-3 Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner O'Donnell absent. 3. CASE NO.: SA 03-112 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CALIFORNIA MARQUEE, 430 South Varney Street, Burbank, CA 91502 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business signage. Palme D'Or Cinemas G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 2 *400 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES LOCATION: 72-840 Highway 111, Westfield Shoppingtown ZONE: PC-3 Mr. Smith asked the applicant if they intend to take the existing black background and replace it with a white background. Stan Swede, representative for California Marquee, stated that they would like to use black letters on a white background. Mr. Smith stated that they would be going from a reasonably controlled light situation to one that has the potential to be significantly bright. This signage is on the same wall as where the existing signage is, which is between the two recently constructed parking structures. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the white background concerns him because it really jumps out at you. The sign with the logo above it looks a little tight. They might need to scale it down a little bit. Mr. Smith clarified that the seven black rectangles that are shown on the plans represent areas for the display of movie posters. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that the poster cases look okay. Commissioner Gregory stated that there is too much going on in the space. The background doesn't have to be black and suggested that they could possibly use brown. He asked if the letters for the signage had to be a certain height from the ground. Mr. Smith stated that the height is not an issue relative to an interpretation that was made many years ago regarding averaging the height around the building. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the leaf portion of the signage is a can sign. Mr. Swede stated that the outline of the palm frond will be a can. He will not be using a box. He doesn't want to make the sign smaller because there's no visibility other than to people who are already going to the theater. The letters for the wording "Palme D'Or" will be 36" for the "p" and 24" for the lower case letters. The word "Cinemas" will be 21" in height. This is a relatively small sign. Once it's put together it's not going to be a very powerful sign. Commissioner Van Vliet asked about the amount of clearance from the parapet down to the sign and the area above the marquee sign. Mr. Swede stated that there will be 12" above the marquee and approximately 18" from the top of the parapet wall. GRIanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 3 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES Commissioner Vuksic stated that the plans that were submitted are not accurate. It looks much tighter on the plans than what the applicant is stating. Commissioner Hanson asked if the proposed marquee is any bigger that the existing marquee. Mr. Swede stated that it's the same marquee. Commissioner Vuksic commented that he's not that concerned about the size of the letters but the way that it appears on the surface. All he can go by is the picture that was provided for the commission. It looks like he's really packed it all on as tight as he possibly could. Mr. Swede stated that there's still quite a bit of blank wall left and the signage fits into the scope of the whole building. Commissioner Vuksic stated that by looking at the exhibit that was given to him, it doesn't look like it fits nicely proportionately on the surface on which they're mounting it. This looks like it's too big for the surface. Commissioner Hanson asked if the palm leaf is an integral part of the logo. She suggested leaving the wording "Cinemas Palme D'Or" where it is and adding a smaller sign over the main entrance with the palm leaf. Mr. Swede stated that the owner would like to have the palm leaf over the wording, as presented. He asked if he could scale it down by 20%. Commissioner Gregory suggested reducing the size of the sign proportionately so that it doesn't go beyond the edge of the marquee. Mr. Swede thought that the owner could live with that idea. Commissioner Van Vliet suggested adding a condition stating that there should be 18" on the top border. Commissioners Lopez and Hanson stated that sign can be approved at staff level with the following conditions. Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson for approval subject to (1) scale down signage so that the logo and business identification signage does not exceed the sides of the marquee, (2) provide a minimum of 18" on top border and 6" in remainder, and (3) use black or dark brown background on marquee. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 4 14WI ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES 4. CASE NO.: SA 03-113 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): QUIEL BROS. SIGN CO., 272 S. "I" Street, San Bernardino, CA 92410 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business signage. Del Rio's Mexican Restaurant LOCATION: 73-520 El Paseo ZONE: C-1 On a minute motion by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim the commissioner approved the sign subject to having the curvature of the lower sign matching the radius of the arch below. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. Mr. Smith stated that the representative for Quiel Bros. Sign Co. arrived late for the meeting and would like to discuss the condition that was placed on the sign by minute motion. Scott, representative from Quiel Bros., stated that his art department may have been a little bit "off' on their rendering. If they match the sign to the existing curvature of the arch then they'll be changing the logo. They already have several signs within the City that have been approved and installed. What the commissioner is looking at is that the sign needs to be centered and evenly spaced over the archway. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that this is not what the commission is suggesting. He asked the applicant why he can't match the radius with the arch below. The applicant stated that it doesn't match the pattern of the arch of their logos. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the sign is already made. The applicant stated that there are already signs up in the City. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he understands that, but wanted to know if this particular sign has been made. The applicant did not answer the question. Commissioner Hanson stated that the arch is not the logo. Scott stated that the sign itself is the logo. Commissioner Hanson stated the arch on the sign should match the radius of the arch below. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that the Doug Arrango's sign shown in the photos GRIanning0onna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 5 Soo ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES matched the arch perfectly and it looked so much better. That's the right way to do it and should be done that way. Commissioner denied to reconsider its minute motion action. Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim for approval by minute motion subject to having the curvature of the lower sign matching the radius of the arch below. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. 5. CASE NO.: SA 03-114 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAN HORN, P.O. Box 3958, Palm Desert, CA 92261 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of wall sign and monument sign for Hovley Gardens. LOCATION: 74-510 42"d Avenue ZONE: PR-7 Mr. Smith asked Ron Crisp, representative, how the letters are going to be mounted on the wall. Mr. Crisp stated that they'll be attached with screws. The letters are Y2" thick painted aluminum letters. They'll space the letters approximately '/2" from the wall so that the signage is on one plane. Commissioner Vuksic asked about the material that will be used for the mountain ranges. Mr. Crisp stated that everything will be made out of aluminum. Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet for approval. Motion carried 4-0-2-1 with Commissioners Hanson and Lopez abstaining and Commissioner O'Donnell absent. Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Wet to add Case Nos. MISC 03-32 and MISC 03-29 to the agenda. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. 6. CASE NO.: MISC 03-32 G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 6 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ELI HERNANDEZ; 73-160 Guadalupe Avenue, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of peach/cream/gray roof the on single family residence. LOCATION: 73-160 Guadalupe Avenue ZONE: R-2 (7) Mr. Smith stated that the applicant is re-roofing a single family home and is requesting approval of the tri-colored roof tile. Photos of examples of homes using the proposed roof tile were distributed for the commission to review and a sample of the the was available. Mark Christoph, representative for the applicant, stated that a structural engineer signed off on the tile roof. Commissioner Gregory stated that the house appears to have a really steep roof for this type of tile. Mr. Christoph stated that there's a house with a similar roof pitch across the street with a tile roof. Commissioner Vuksic commented that the roof of the new Cuistot restaurant has a steep roof with tile. Commissioner Hanson stated that they use metal ties to tie the tile in so that they stay on a steep pitch. Mr. Smith reminded Mr. Christoph that there's a fifteen day appeal period on all ARC actions. It was recommended that he wait fifteen days before he begins work on the roof. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet for approval. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. 7. CASE NO.: MISC 03-29 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JACK D. BRYANT, 75-881 Temple Lane, Palm Desert, CA 92251 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of second unit at single family residence. LOCATION: 75-881 Temple Lane G:Planning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 7 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES ZONE: R-1 Mr. Smith stated that the request by the applicant is for a second unit at an existing single family home in Avondale Country Club. The association has approved the request. Under the new ordinance, this is the only review this item will get. Under the previous ordinance, a request such as this would require public hearings, legal notices and Planning Commission review. The State precluded the City from going through an extensive discretionary process. Now it's an administrative process. Commissioner Hanson asked what constitutes a "second unit". Mr. Bagato stated that a second kitchen on a property constitutes a second unit. All second units will be reviewed by the Architectural Review Commission. The Code states that the second unit can't be more than 35% of the main house. The current proposal meets all the setbacks. They have provided a covered parking space, which is required. The plans meet all the criteria but it has to be reviewed by the ARC to see if it compliments the house architecturally. Commissioner Hanson commented that the second unit appears to match the main house architecturally. Mr. Smith stated that the proposed carport structure has not been shown to the homeowner's association. Don Busk, representative for the applicant, stated that he showed the HOA but he doesn't have anything in writing. Commissioner Van Vliet asked about the floor level of the unit. Mr. Busk stated that it's at the same level as the main house. There will be a stem wall and a planter box in front of the stem wall because it's on a slight hill. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the grade really goes down towards the corner. Mr. Busk commented that he could add a planter box at the front of the house or a 2:1 slope and blend it in with the other slope that's there. The overall height of the second unit is lower than the existing main structure (approximately 15'-16' in height). Commissioner Lopez asked where the air conditioning equipment will be. Mr. Busk stated that it will be behind the unit and won't be visible from the street. Commissioner Vuksic commented that he doesn't see a clear drawing of a raised planter. Mr. Busk stated that the plans show a dirt berm. Commissioner Vuksic stated that it won't look good if you plan to stucco a couple of feet below the floor line. Mr. Busk stated that he'll put dirt up against it at a 2:1 slope or add a planter in this area. Commissioner Gregory stated that a 2:1 slope is really steep and it might be difficult to G:PIanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 8 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 9, 2003 MINUTES keep the dirt from eroding. Commissioner Lopez suggested using a 3:1 slope. Mr. Busk stated that he could go 5:1 if that's what the commission wants. Commissioner Gregory stated that he'll be more successful if he uses a 3:1 slope. Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim for approval subject to a landscape berm being added to the front of the house at a minimum of a 2:1 slope. Motion carried 6-0- 0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. B. Preliminary Plans 1. CASE NO.: DP 12-79 Amendment #1 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): S.A. MIRO for SEARS, 4582 S. Ulster Street Parkway, Suite 1501, Denver, Colorado, 80237 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of exterior remodel of Sears and Auto Center. LOCATION: 72-840 Highway 111, Westfield Shoppingtown ZONE: PC-3 Action: Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Hanson to continue the request to the next meeting. Motion carried 6- 0-0-1 with Commissioner O'Donnell absent. VI. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 1:04 p.m. STEVE SMITH PLANNING MANAGER GRanning\Donna Quaiver\wpdocs\Agmin\AR030909.MIN 9