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I. CALL T� ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:40 p.m.
Ii. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 6 2
Kristi Hanson X 8
Chris Van Vliet X 6 2
John Vuksic X 8
Ray Lopez X 7 1
Karen Oppenheim X 8
Karel Lambell X 2
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Spencer Knight, Landscape Manager
. Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
II1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: APRIL 13, 2004
Commissioner Van Vliet moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim to
approve the minutes of April 13, 2004. The motion carried 5-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Lopez and Gregory absent.
Note:���:Commissioner Gregory arrived at 12:55 p.m.
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IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
A. Final Drawinqs
1. CASE NO.: SA 04-59
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: QUIEL BROS. SIGN CO., 272 S. "I",
San Bernardino, CA 92410
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
business signage. Lyle Commercial
LOCATION: 73-900 Fred Waring
ZONE: OP
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Lopez and Gregory absent.
2. CASE NO.: MISC 04-24
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSL LARRY GROTBECK REAL ESTATE,
74-085 Fairway Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT• Approval of exterior
remodel in conjunction with the City of Palm Desert's Facade
Enhancement Program. Maytag
LOCATION: 74-124 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Urbina stated that the applicant is proposing to enhance the facade
of the Maytag building along the Highway 111 frontage road. He's
applying for facade enhancement funding through the City's
Redevelopment Agency. Regarding the front elevation, staff
recommends that either the new Maytag wall sign be lowered so that
the top of the sign backing is the same height as the parapet wall of the
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building or that the parapet wall be raised to be even with the top of the
sign. The applicant's architect stated that he didn't have an issue with
either of those options. A unique feature over the front entrance is
three arches. They will be made of inetal, anodiZed aluminum punched
plates. The fire department submitted comments that they want the
vertical clearance to be 13'6" minimum from ground level to the bottom
of the arch. That will be a new condition of approval. The arches will
be raised by 5".
Mr. Drell asked why we're asking to lower the sign or raise the parapet.
, Mr. Urbina stated that as iYs presently proposed, it gives the
appearance that it could be a partial roof sign because it extends above
the roof. Mr. Drell stated that it should be evaluated whether it looks
architecturally correct or not. There's no reason in any ordinance that
I'm aware of, stating that it needs to be flush with the roof. Larry
Grotbeck, applicant, stated that he would like the sign to be high on the
building. Commissioner Hanson asked about the thickness of the sign.
Mr. Grotbeck stated that he believes that iYs about 10"-12" thick.
Mr. Urbina stated that the applicant is proposing a 6' high concrete
block wall along the rear of the property facing Alessandro. Where iYs
being proposed, iYs only about 3' back from the curb face. The Public
Works Department has informed staff that the property line actually
starts 7' back from the face of the Alessandro Drive curb. Staff is
recommending a condition of approval that this rear wall be placed a
minimum of 12' back from curb face to allow for the construction of a 6'
wide sidewalk, which the Public Works Department has agreed to if
they have 6' of landscaping from the rear of the sidewalk to the block
wall. 6' would be wide enough to accommodate the planting of shrubs
and street trees.
Commissioner Hanson asked if the letter spacing on the sign could be
different so that they're a little bit further apart so they're not so jammed
like they're shown on the drawing. Mr. Grotbeck stated that that's the
standard issue sign for Maytag. The signage is not part of this
application. Mr. Drell commented that the sign location should be
reviewed by the commission.
Commissioner Hanson asked about the thickness of the arches. Mr.
Grotbeck stated that they're approximately 1'-1'6" thick: Commissioner
Hanson stated that she likes the arches. Commissioner Oppenheim
concurred and commented that you can never find a store along
Highway 111 and you end up driving up and down the street looking for
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it. Mr. Grotbeck stated that, architecturally, the purpose of the arches
is to marry the west element of the frontage to the east element to tie
the two together. They also intend to landscape the wall along the
Wacky Wicker elevation.
Commissioner Hanson asked about the color of the block wall in the
front and the rear. Mr. Grotbeck stated that the front will be a sandy-
colored brick wall and the rear wall will match the exterior color of the
building.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that the building is a great old
building. I'm not so sure that I like the Maytag sign sticking up above
the parapet. It seems like it could come down and be undersized and
still get the job done. I agree with staff's comments in the rear about
increasing the setbacks to allow for 6' of planting area. Mr. Grotbeck
stated that the reason for the sign location is because it's a "mid-
century" look and the buildings live and die on their horizontal lines and
they needed another horizontal level. Mr. Drell stated that they
probably should make it a little bit bigger and give it a definite step so
that it clearly reads as an architectural element instead of a sign. The
lettering on the sign is too big and too jammed in there. Adding
another step is an enhancement or the backing should be a little
bigger.
Commissioner Gregory suggested having the letters independent and
freestanding in some way on top of the parapet, which would be
somewhat typical of the mid-century style.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet for approval subject to staff conditions listed below:
1. Remodel front elevation by rebuilding the existing parapet and
adding 18-inch to 54-inch high corrugated aluminum metal panels with
anodized finish across a 52-foot long portion of 86-foot wide building.
2. Replace existing fascia with new 18-inch high "Maytag Blue"
anodized aluminum fascia.
3. Clad existing window mullions with clear anodized aluminum
metal trim.
4. Install three new anodized aluminum, punch plate metal arches
over existing driveway at front of site. The front-most arch (facing
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Highway 111) will have a height of 17'-7" with a 15'-7" vertical
clearance underneath the arch. The two rear arches will have a height
of 15'-1" with a 13'-1" vertical clearance underneath the arch.
5. Replace existing 16-foot wide, 6-foot high, chain link sliding gate
at front driveway with sliding metal-face gate.
6. Remove existing attached patio cover on rear elevation of
Maytag building.
7. Remove existing sheds abutting rear and westerly side property
lines
8. Construct new 6-foot high decorative block wall in rear with a 3-
foot setback from Alessandro Drive curb face. The project site's rear
property line is located 7 feet back from Alessandro Drive curb face.
9. Refurbish an existing 24-foot wide, 6-foot high, sliding chain link
fence gate along rear property line by attaching corrugated metal
panels. �
10. Construct two sections of 6-foot high chain link fence (84 lineal
feet and 19 lineal feet) with slats to create and conceal an outdoor
storage area for appliances at rear of property.
11. Repave existing asphalt parking area for employees and delivery
trucks at westerly and northerly areas of project site.
12. The minimum height clearance from grade level to bottom of any
of the three proposed arches shall be 13'-6".
Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and
Commissioner Lopez absent.
3. CASE NO.: SA 04-45
APPLICANT (AND ADDRES�: JOHN SCHMIDT, 263 La Cadena
Drive West, Riverside, CA 92501
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of business
signage. SSI Auto Insurance
LOCATION: 73-520 Highway 111
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John Schmidt, applicant, stated that he's working with the landlords of
the adjacent buildings. It looks like a mish-mash of old, beat-up little
stores. I'm trying to get into the facade enhancement program. At this
point, I'd like to get this sign approved. I took this sign out of the
warehouse and just basically set it on the parapet. You can see the
swamp coolers and vents on the roof and the sign basically screens it
all. I would like to leave the sign in the current location until I have the
facade enhancement done. Mr. Bagato reminded the commission that
the sign at the Clubhouse Liquor sign was supposed to be temporary
too and it's still up.
Mr. Drell stated that the business is there and it needs a sign, which is
already installed: Hopefully, there's going to be a facade enhancement
done to the building. In the meantime, this may not happen for six
months or a year but they still need a sign.
Commissioner Hanson asked the applicant if they intend to raise the
parapet and plaster it. Mr. Schmidt stated that he could do that. Mr.
Drell stated that it doesn't make sense to do a lot of work if they intend
to do a facade enhancement. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if his sign
is the only high sign in that area. Mr. Schmidt commented that all the
signs are above the roof line down the street. Commissioner Van Vliet
stated that the photo shows that they're not above the roof line. I thing
the sign has to come down and do something different. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that the sign is shoved right up at the top of the parapet.
Mr. Schmidt stated that there's about 5" at the top. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that the sign is too high. Commissioner Van Vliet stated
that they shou�d start by taking the sign down. Commissioner Hanson
suggested putting the sign at the middle of the blue line on the fascia
and paint the blue out.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for approval subject to relocation of the sign to center of
existing parapet with equal amount of distance on top and bottom of
letters. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent.
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4. CASE NO.: DP 12-79, Amendment#1
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): S.A. MIRO for SEARS, 4582 S. Ulster
Street Parkway, Suite 1501, Denver, Colorado, 80237
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of exterior
elevation change.
LOCATION: 72-840 Highway 111, Westfield Shoppingtown
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Dretl stated that they wanted to get the reaction of the commission
regarding the idea to stucco over the red granite with tan stucco. The
sign looks better but they should work with the existing red granite.
The commission concurred.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for denial. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez
absent.
5. CASE NO.: MISC 04-26
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� SVEND PEULICKE, 691 Calle
Petunia, Palm Springs, CA 92262
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of single-
family residence with roof height over 15'.
LOCATION: 73-342 Bursera Way
ZONE: R-1 12,000
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Vuksic for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-
0-0-2 with Commissioners Lopez and Gregory absent.
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6. CASE NO.: SA 04-57
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSL BEST SIGNS, INC., 1550 S. Gene
Autry Trail, Palm Springs, CA 92264
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of two
internally illuminated monument signs. Grand Prix Car Wash &
Leisure Max.
LOCATION: 72-880 Dinah Shore
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Bagato stated that the car wash is on a separate parcel with a
separate property owner. Approximately three years ago, a monument
sign was approved at both corners where the existing monument sign
for Pet Smart is located on Dinah Shore. There could be one on the
other corner where the Grand Prix Car Wash is located. Ethan Allen
now coming into the center and House to Home is also a major tenant.
The recommendation by staff is to continue the request so that the
applicant can work with the other property owners. Mr. Drell stated that
this center could probably justify more than the usual number of
monument signs, since you can't see any of the buildings from the
street.
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Vuksic to continue the request so that the applicant can
work with the other property owners. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Lopez absent.
7. CASE NO.: SA 04-41
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: BEST SIGNS, INC., 1550 S. Gene
Autry Trail, Palm Springs, CA 92264
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of two
business signs.
LOCATION: 73-700 Highway 111, Nextel and Automated Telecom
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ZONE: C-1
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Lopez and Gregory absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: PP 04-09
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): RED BARN/MILO MALOTTE, 73-290
Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of a
442 square foot addition to the rear of the Red Barn.
LOCATION: 73-290 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Commissioner Vuksic commented that he was having a hard time
understanding the context of what he's looking at on the plans.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the elevations are very difficult to
read and understand whaYs happening. They're adding a little room in
the back of the building. Commissioner Vuksic stated that you don't
actually see the emergency doors. Bob Jones was present to answer
questions. The addition will be painted red to match the rest of the
building. Mr. Drell asked if there was a planter or any landscaping
proposed in front of the addition. There are planters in front of the
atrium and it was suggested that the applicant add landscaping in front
of the wall. Commissioner Hanson asked if the swamp cooler could be
hidden. Commissioner Vuksic stated that adding landscaping would
soften the appearance of the wall. Adding a planter would help.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for preliminary approval subject to adding planter on north
elevation with review and approval by staff. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Lopez absent.
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2. CASE NO.: C 04-05
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�, WJG PARTNERS, INC., 45-445
Portola Avenue, Suite 5, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request preliminary
approval of exterior remodel in conjunction with the City of Palm
Desert's Facade Enhancement Program.
LOCATION: 72-990 � 73-030 EI Paseo, Columbia Center
ZONE:
This request was withdrawn by the applicant prior to the meeting. No
action was taken.
3. CASE NO.: PP 04-06
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): NOEL ANASCO/BERGMAN
ARCHITECTURE, 13745 Seminole Drive, Chino, CA 91710
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of revised elevations for a single-story automotive tire retail building.
America's Tire Co.
LOCATION: 72-320 Dinah Shore, Monterey Shore Plaza
ZONE: PC-3
The commission had reviewed and commented on the America's Tire
elevations at a previous meeting. Mr. Drell stated that the applicant has
returned with revised plans. Commissioner Hanson commented that it
looks much better. Mr. Bagato stated that the roll-up doors could use
an accent color. Mr. Drell suggested using glass doors. The applicant
stated that they've used glass doors in the past and they don't hold up
very well and they're subject to being broken. Mr. Drell suggested
adding a contrasting color to the doors. Otherwise it will look like a
blank wall. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the revisions are very
well done. Mr. Bagato commented that signage is not included in the
request. There are two sets of plans to review. The applicant may be
able to get approval for a 24' roof height so they've provided elevations
for both a 20' roof height and a 24' roof height. The applicant stated
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that the buildings' floor plate is limited to 6,000 square feet, based on
parking. Typically, the America's Tire stores are 7,000 square feet so
they already have a smaller floor plate to work with. If the height of the
building is restricted down to 20' they're going to have a hard time
accommodating the inventory. Mr. Bagato asked if they could go to a
22' roof height and have the elements at 24'. Commissioner Gregory
commented that this would be a good compromise. Mr. Drell stated
that the goal is to have the elements break the plane of the vertical.
Commissioner Gregory asked about the pop-outs and how far they
would stick out if they dropped the roof 2' so that it's 22' tall with the
projections popping up above and breaking the roof line. The applicant
stated that the projections are 2'6" so they have some mass.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet for preliminary approval of 20' roof height elevation subject to
adding accent color to roll-up doors and preliminary approval of
alternate plan with 24' roof height subject to roof height being lowered
to 22' with elements at 24' and adding accent color to roll-up doors.
Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Lopez absent.
4. CASE NO.: MISC 04-27
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS� ADW ARCHITECTS, 1401 W.
Morehead Street, Suite 100, Charlotte, NC 28208
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of storefront
elevation for Ethan Allen.
LOCATION: 72-650 Dinah Shore, Monterey Shore Plaza
ZONE: P.C.
Robert Lauer, architect, was present and stated that the materials
include the color blue, which works well because that's the accent color
for the rest of the shopping center. The current base of the column
elements are confetti-colored tiles. They chose to use just blue tile at
the base of their entrance element, which is an identifiable color of their
logo. The shape of the storefront has been changed.
Commissioner Hanson asked about the awnings and why they go all
the way across the storefront. That completely changes the detailing
that you have on the rest of the center. Mr. Lauer stated that it's
actually a panel thaYs fabric wrapped in an awning material so iYs still a
flat surface. Mr. Drell stated that the goal is to differentiate specific
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tenants. The goal shouldn't be camouflage. Commissioner Hanson
stated that she doesn't mind differentiating, as long as it's still in the
same flavor. One of the things that's very exciting about this project is
that there are elements with the Lighthouse and Leisure Max that are
different and unique, but yet still in the same character. I don't mind the
entry so much as long as iYs not totally tamed down to the point that it's
going to feel like it's completely different. Mr. Lauer stated that one
thing that was a challenge on this project is that this particular tenant
typically is very traditional in nature.
Commissioner Gregory asked if there's any landscaping, such as pots
or planters. Mr. Drell stated that there's some landscaping in the
center. Mr. Joe Walters was present and stated that when he designed
the building they added landscape islands with palm trees and in the
sidewalk immediately in front of the building.
Commissioner Hanson asked if the tiles could be changed. The
squareness of everything might be too much. Commissioner Van Vliet
asked about a roof plan. Mr. Lauer stated that he's showing a
freestanding wall which is tied back structurally.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that some buildings provide a back drop
so that you can do want, as far as your storefronts. You can see a
classical storefront next to one that's funky next to one that's
contemporary and it all works. However, this complex has a.style to it
and the current proposal as deviated too much from that. I call this
neo-classical and it's certainly not what this center dictates. It looks lost
in this area. Commissioner Gregory asked Commissioner Vuksic if he
was hoping, in terms of proportion for the length of the building
elevation, to have a more centrally proportional element and maybe it
just doesn't work with Ethan Allen. Commissioner Vuksic commented
that it doesn't have to be any more central. Commissioner Gregory
stated that the proportion for the building seems small, but for the
tenant iYs probably fine. Commissioner Vuksic stated that there's a
discrepancy on the plans regarding the proportions of the storefront.
Mr. Drell commented that the commission could go out to the site and
look at the building. Commissioner Vuksic stated that his first
impression was that it didn't sit well with him. It doesn't look like it
belongs there.
Mr. Lauer stated that they're already behind schedule. The tower
element is existing but they have other elements that they want to
change. Commissioner Gregory commented that the building is already
built so he wasn't sure how tough they should be on them. Mr. Drell
stated that the tenant has a very specific identity and it's not
asymmetrical. Commissioner Hanson asked if it could go up a couple
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of feet. Mr. Lauer stated that they had drawn it that way and it makes it
look like a thinner element. Mr. Drell suggested making it wider as well.
Mr. Lauer stated that it would interfere with sidewalks, columns and
sign panels and would really change the look of the spacing of the
panels that are along the sides. Mr. Drell stated that having symmetry
and asymmetry is okay in a quirky center. To a certain degree, having
it symmetrical differentiates it better than if we just duplicate another
shape thaYs already there. The whole point of commercial architecture
is differentiation. The handicap in all these monolithically-designed
centers is accommodating the identity of the tenant. You try not to let
the thematic style of the center dominate the identity of the tenant. The
identity of the tenant has to be the most important thing about retail
architecture. You don't let the ego of the overall architecture dominate
the identity of the tenant.
Commissioner Hanson suggested slightly increasing the roof height of
the existing element. The blue awnings are fine but all the other
storefronts have these great tile work and asked why Ethan Allen has to
have just blue tile. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that the blue is
part of the identity. Commissioner Hanson stated that they have
enough identity. She suggested that they make the columns
predominantly blue but add a few of the other colors.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he's not making it asymmetrical for
the sake of making it asymmetrical. I'm doing it because I'm trying to
look at adding another mass that works within the column spacing that
you have, but just adds more width to what's there.
Action: Commissioner Gregory moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for preliminary approval subject to slightly increasing roof
height of existing element. Motion carried 5-1-0-1 with Commissioner
Vuksic opposed and Commissioner Lopez absent.
5. CASE NO.: PP 04-01, C/Z 04-01, TT 31836
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESSL PDCC DEVELOPMENT, LLC, c/o
Larry Kosmont, 601 Figueroa Street, Suite 3550, Los Angeles, CA
90017
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of maintenance facility design within the 13'h fairway.
LOCATION: Palm Desert Country Club
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Mr. Bagato stated that the developer would like to give a presentation
regarding the relocation of the maintenance facility from the clubhouse
area to a site behind Joe Mann Park on the 13th fairway.
Randy Case, applicant, was present to address the commission. We
are currently proposing to relocate the maintenance facility from its
current location off of New York near the existing clubhouse to the area
between the 14�h tee and the 13`h green. Richard Denzer, renowned
clubhouse architect, is doing the architectural work on the maintenance
facility and the building within that maintenance facility. Mr. Denzer is
doing the work on the McCallum Theater in Palm Desert. Ron Gregory
and Associates are the landscape architects. Whatever Mr. Denzer
doesn't show you or doesn't do from a landscape standpoint, Mr.
Gregory and his firm witl supplement that.
Pictures were shown to the commission of the existing maintenance
facility and pictures of where they're proposing to put it. Mr. Case
stated that the existing maintenance facility is about the size of four lots
right now which is about 25,000 square feet. This is about the size of
area that they're proposing to use at the 13�h and 14t'' holes. It's not
been in this location its entire existence. When this development was
started, the original developer built three holes and the back nine was
the first nine. The maintenance facility was located in pretty much the
location where they're planning on relocating it to now. It was here
because of the strategic nature of where they were building the course
initially. There is an access point that comes off of California. That is
part of the deed for the golf course that permits access onto that point.
They planned that originally when they built the golf course.
The existing maintenance facility is sort of a hodge-podge of fences
and falling down fences and some landscaping. IYs located off of New
York just to the north of the clubhouse. The views off of New York are
really not what you woutd want to have when you're renovating the
entire golf course. The facility is not very attractive aesthetically or from
a security standpoint. It's a cinder block building that is not conducive
to the equipment, height-wise. It really doesn't suit the purpose that it
needs to for a 27-hole golf course. The equipment that's used to
maintain the golf course include mowers, tractors, etc... Mr. Drell
asked if they store fertilizer. Mr. Case stated that they do. Mr. Drell
commented that he should talk to the fire marshal. Mr. Case stated
that what they're storing at the new location will be the same as what
they have at the existing facility but it will be in a much safer, state-of-
the-art facility. IYII have all the protections that you have today and that
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the current facility doesn't have now. The existing facility is located
adjacent to homes with the nearest home being on the north side on
New York and is about 20 feet away. There are homes all around the
facility. Inside, it's not well-kept. It's an older facility which has been
there for about 25 years. Part of the problem with maintaining the golf
course is the facility that houses the equipment which is not up to
standards. You're battling an antiquated irrigation system and also the
ability to store and house equipment and keep the equipment safe and
operational.
There are a number of issues regarding the location that have to do
with access, security and traffic safety. There's a park thaYs adjacent
to the access point. There's a 6' high brick fence next to the access
point. On the deed, it shows a 20' wide access road. There's a fence
along the City park as well.
An issue that you'll hear today and you'll hear many times is the
aesthetics of how the maintenance facility will look. We think that once
iYs designed properly, landscaped properly, bermed properly with the
right fencing around it, it will look better than whaYs out there today.
There is an existing pump station that's about 50' x 100' with a 6' block
wall around it with landscaping. You won't see that facility in these
pictures, but you'll see the landscaping around it. Pictures were shown
to the commission of the area. What you see are mature trees. You
don't see any facility there. The landscaping has not been maintained.
They're proposing to have all new landscaping, using what they can
with whaYs there supplemented with much more up-to-date standards
that landscaping requires. We said all along that our plan is to put $5+
million dollars into the renovation of the golf course and the clubhouse.
Part of the plan is an automated irrigation system. There will be some
traffic from the employees who work in the maintenance yard who will
be coming in during the morning. Their cars will all be parked within
the facility. The traffic for the operation of the golf course won't
change. They'll have mowers in the morning and thaYs what you'll put
up with: One of the things that may alleviate some of the traffic on the
golf course is the automated irrigation system. Right now there are 4-5
guys who drive around the golf course all night long in trucks and have
to manually turn on the sprinklers. The new system will prevent this.
The day operations will be the same. What we're doing overall will be
much better for this area. The maintenance facility that we're designing
is minimally adequate to maintain the 27 holes that we're refurbishing.
You have to have a facility. We are locating•this facility about 250 feet
to the nearest property line which is almost the length of a football field.
We're not taking away the golf course view. When you look at any of
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the pictures you'll see that we're enhancing the view from both
directions.
Mr. Denzer, president of den ZER International, introduced himself.
We design golf course clubhouses and golf projects all around the
country. Typically, the smallest site would be about 2/3 of an acre for a
maintenance facility. This will include storage area for equipment,
material bins for sand and gravel, green trash, other trash, wash-down
area and a stand-by fuel station. It's all self contained and very quiet.
The best place to put a facility is somewhere adjacent to a roadway.
The poorest choice would be the existing condition where it's near the
clubhouse. That's not a good location because of traffic with trucks
and other vehicles. In this case, we're trying to surround the facility
with a mound and a wall. What we've done with the 8' wall is put it on a
6' high mound to reduce visibility and noise. There will be 4' of building
above the wall and that will be blocked with landscaping. The building
itself is a metal building. They come in a variety of colors. The facility
won't have a lot of staff. Currently, all the equipment at the existing
facility is stored outside.
Mr. Case stated that currently there is a lake at the 13`h hole. The lake
is sfagnant and not well kept. We are going to fill in this lake and build
a much bigger, better lake and extend the green back about 25 yards
so that this area is completely utilized. The new maintenance facility
will be in the area of the current lake. Mr. Denzer stated that it will be a
very low-slung, on-story building. Mr. Case stated that they're now
discussing whether to have a bell and a gate at the access point
because there is traffic on the sidewalk and iYs next to the park. We
are very concerned about that and we're going to work with the City
and residents to figure out the right mechanism to make sure that the
traffic in and out of there protects anybody that's on that sidewalk or
around there.
Commissioner Van Vliet reminded the audience that we're an aesthetic
board so we'll look at the building and the walt and what it's going to
look like. We're really not focused on location. There's another
governing board that does that. We need to restrict your comments to
the building itself and how it looks.
Jane Hibbard was present and stated that she's representing 6-7 other
residents at PDCC near the 13`h and 14`h fairways. We didn't know
about any of this until Saturday and she was concerned that they didn't
have much time to get together and talk about it. A letter was passed
to the commissioners stating their objections. She expressed concern
about whether the new lake would actually be built once the old one is
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filied in. Mr. Case stated that they have to build the lake because they
need it for irrigation. We won't have the lake out of service for very
long. We're proposing to do this in the first phase this summer after
we're approved. We have to have a lake from an operational
standpoint for irrigation. It'll be much bigger, much cleaner, much nicer.
Mr. Drell stated that we will have a condition on this project. Often
when we're relying on landscaping to screen something then the job
isn't done until it looks like the rendering. There will be some discretion
on our part, in terms of doing inspections, in approving the landscaping.
Our experience is that often the reality of the site lines change when
you finally get it done. The assumption is that there will be some
discretionary potentia► additions, if necessary, to achieve the result of
screening the building. The job isn't done until you can't see the
building. Ms. Hibbard commented that it'll take quite a few years for the
trees to grow. Mr. Case stated that it will take some time for them to
grow but they have a 6' berm with an 8' fence so already they have 14'
built in. Mr. Denzer stated that they intend to triangulate the trees so
that there's always one behind the other.
Milo Malotte was present and stated that he's lived here 31 years and
thinks it's a "hell of an idea".
Commissioner Hanson asked if the applicant would have the ability to
lower the site slightly. Mr. Case stated that they could do that. Mr.
Denzer stated that he'll look into it but the problem with that is that if
you drop the site down, we can't drain it. Commissioner Hanson stated
that they could drain the site. Even if you took it down 2' and you have
a 6' berm with an 8' wall, then they would have 2' of something that
nobody would see. Mr. Case stated that the building is only 5,000
square feet. It's a small part of the facility. The rest of it is open area.
Commissioner Van Viet asked if the building has a gabled, pitched roof.
Mr. Case stated that that was correct. Commissioner Van Vliet asked
why it has to be 18' in height and wondered if it could have a flat roof.
He wanted to know the reason for the additional height. Mr. Denzer
stated that there will be storage in the rafters and there are heat
concerns. There's a number of rationales to why it's 18' in height but
we can certainly look at adjusting the height. Mr. Drell suggested that
they look at the maintenance building at the Canyons at Bighorn, which
has a shed roof that may be 8' and 12'. Mr. Denzer stated that height
is something they you are looking for in a maintenance facility. They
have 10' roll-up doors with 2' of structure and then the slope up. The
lowest it could be on one side is 14' high. Commissioner Van Vliet
stated that they're showing 18' at the gable. Mr. Denzer stated that
they also want to put the air conditioning mechanical equipment inside
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the building. Mr. Case stated that on the original plans, they showed
an 19'6" roof height. ThaYs already been revised down to 18', but I
think we may be able to come down a little bit more.
Ms. Hollinger asked if there are any large-scale trees that are in
existence in the proposed site that can be protected to keep the more
mature trees there so that they're not starting out with little, tiny trees.
Mr. Denzer stated that this will be part of the landscape plan. Mr. Case
stated that their plan is to preserve as much as possible.
Barbara Koltweit, resident near the 13th fairway, was present and stated
that she was concerned with the berms and mature trees that they'll
lose their view of the mountains that they see now. Mr. Case stated
that it won't be any higher than the existing landscaping. Ms. Koltweit
stated that there will be more landscaping because it's a larger facility.
Mr. Case stated that the current vegetation is as wide as we're
proposing right now. The height of the trees and the width of the trees
is pretty much the width of what we're proposing. Ms. Koltweit asked
about the density of the trees. Mr. Case stated that with the movement
of the golf hole on 13, you'll see less of the lake than before.
Theresa Pawley was present and stated that she owns the second
house away from the access road. I don't think the photographs reflect
the reality. From my master bedroom, living room and hallway I have a
full view of the lake as it is and the mountains. My understanding is
that the pump house is going to remain at 100' and from your drawings,
they indicate that iYs another 245' in addition to the 100'. Mr. Case
stated that this is correct. It's primarily an open area. Ms. Pawley
cornmented that you're going to be looking at a blocked area. I
understand the berm and the 8' wall, but it's blocked. It blocks my
current view of the mountains, the lake and everything pristine. Mr.
Denzer stated that the tee box, the green and the landscape will all be
enhanced. Mr. Case stated that everything if front of her house would
be greatly enhanced. Ms. Pawley invited them to come to her house
and look for themselves. Because this could be a lifelong problem, I
would like you to indulge me in reading a letter that I've written with
some of my concerns, (See attached letter.)
Commissioner Vuksic commented that Ms. Pawley made some very
good points in the letter, but not very many apply to the ARC. We look
at the aesthetics of a project. It's curious that something like this is
happening with so much opposition within the golf course community.
The row of tree concept would be like looking at a wall of trees, rather
than open space. He suggested breaking it up. To actually screen the
building from all angles you need trees the entire length of the yard so
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you pick up the side angles. Is it possible to maybe incorporate some
trees next to the building itself, thereby allowing you to not have such a
solid wall of trees along the perimeter of the project. Mr. Case stated
that this would impact the operation of the service area. There are
vehicles moving around inside the facility.
Commissioner Hanson suggested moving the facility so that it's next to
the park. Mr. Case stated that this is a possibility and they could move
the lake as well. Commissioner Hanson stated that this would solve
the problem of having the residents lose their views and having a long
wall of trees. Mr. Case stated that it would also be better for access.
We originally thought about going up next to the park but we thought
that we would have opposition. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
moving the facility next to the park as all sorts of positives to it. ft
breaks up that big wall of landscaping. Commissioner Van Vliet
commented that typically we would not approve metal buildings. I know
that you intend to screen it but I don't think that it's going to be
screened for some time. Commissioner Hanson stated that it'll be
below the wall and the berm. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it
shouldn't be a metal building. You should do something nicer. It will be
seen. Mr. Drell stated that the Canyons maintenance facility is metal.
When they first put it in you could just barely see the top part of the
building but within eight months you couldn't see it anymore. It's a
shed building that lower than the proposed building. It's longer and
narrower so they don't need as much height. This serves a pretty fancy
golf course.
Commissioner Vuksic asked if this was the project where we approved
all those houses. Mr. Case stated that it is. Commissioner Vuksic
stated that if this just came to us, I can't imagine that we wouldn't
approve it. IYs a maintenance building on a golf course. With
Commissioner's Hanson suggestion, the building would be tucked
away. I've never seen a maintenance facility in the middle of a fairway,
but now it looks like it may be tucked away. I can't imagine not
approving it in this location.
Charlie Ash, resident of PDCC, stated that he can guarantee that if you
move the facility next to the fence at the park there will be a bunch of
residents, starting with Ruth Young, who are going to complain "to high
heaven". Anyplace you're going to put it, people will complain. Mr.
Drell stated that this is a "who's ox is being gored" discussion. In
essence, this golf course is a facility that conveys value to everyone
. who lives around it. There are burdens every once in a while and one
of the burdens is clubhouses, maintenance facilities, mowing the lawn
at 5:00 a.m., golf balls that pelt into your backyard, etc...are all part of
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the burden. Ultimately, we want to find the least impacting burden and
putting it next to the park is the obvious place to put it.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet to continue the request to allow the applicant to return with
revised plans. Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner Gregory
abstaining and Commissioner Lopez absent.
6. CASE NO.: MISC 03-22
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� MCA ARCHITECTS, INC., 1247
Pomona Road, #105, Corona, CA 92882
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Reconsideration of
condition regarding extension of cornice detail for remodel of former
House to Home.
LOCATION: 72-700 Dinah Shore Drive, former House to Home
ZONE: PC
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Vuksic to continue the request to allow the architect and
structural engineer to consult with plan checkers. Motion carried 6-0-0-
1 with Commissioner Lopez absent.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:42 p.m.
TONY BAGATO, ASSISTANT PLANNER for
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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