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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 13 3
Kristi Hanson X 14 2
Chris Van Vliet X 13 3
John Vuksic X 15 1
Ray Lopez X 15 1
Karen Oppenheim X 16
Karel Lambell X 10
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: AUGUST 10, 2004
Commissioner Lambell moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim to
approve the minutes of August 10, 2004. The motion carried 6-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Gregory absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
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A. Final Drawings
1. CASE NO.: PP/CUP 03-18
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS) FOUNTAINHEAD SHRUGGED, LLC,
1400 Quail Street, Suite 135, Newport Beach, CA 92660
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of a
Wendy's fast food restaurant with a drive-through.
LOCATION: 78-078 Country Club, northwest corner of Washington and
Country Club.
ZONE: C1
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez to continue the request to allow the architect to provide a site
plan and landscape plan. Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner
Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
2. CASE NO.: MISC 04-46
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): IRONWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, 73-
735 Irontree Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260-6999
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
renovations to Ironwood Country Club facilities.
LOCATION: 73-735 Irontree Drive
ZONE: PR-7
Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell for approval by minute motion subject to (1) recessing windows
on the aerobic room east elevation by 2', and (2) approval by the
homeowner's associations as required. Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Gregory absent.
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3. CASE NO.: MISC 04-44
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): RAYMOND BACHAND, 73-214A
Tumbleweed Lane, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
an exterior trellis, barbeque and fireplace.
LOCATION: 73-214A Tumbleweed Lane
ZONE: PR-16
Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with
Commissioner Oppenheim abstaining and Commissioner Gregory
absent.
4. CASE NO.: RV 04-01
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CRAIG ARMSTRONG, 72-748
Beavertail Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval to
store an RV in the side yard of a single-family home.
LOCATION: 72-748 Beavertail Street
ZONE: R-1
Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell to continue the request to the meeting of September 28, 2004
at the request of the applicant.
Action: Commissioner Lambell moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson to add Case No. SA 04-111 to the agenda. Motion carried 5-0-
0-2 with Commissioners Gregory and Vuksic absent.
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5. CASE NO.: SA 04-111
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): IMPERIAL SIGN CO., INC, 46-120
Calhoun Street, Indio, CA 92201
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
business signage.
LOCATION: 73-400 El Paseo, Gallery 1000
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith stated that there was some concern regarding the blockiness
or heaviness of the letters. Jim Engle, representative for Imperial Sign
Co., was present. Commissioner Oppenheim commented that the
lettering was offset and Commissioner Hanson wanted to know why.
Mr. Engle stated that if it was centered it would look like "Gallery" was
squashing "1000" and if you put it to the left it doesn't place very well.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that he doesn't mind it on the right
side. Commissioner Hanson stated that the letters look heavy and
suggested that they be reduced by Y2". Commissioner Van Vliet asked
about the width of the letters. Mr. Engle stated that they're bold versus
medium. The font has been increased by 1". Commissioner Hanson
stated that if he reduced the letters by Y2" it would look lighter.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell for approval subject to reducing the letter size by '/2". Motion
carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners Gregory and Vuksic absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: MISC 04-45
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ROD GRINBERG / TRANSWEST
HOUSING, INC., 47-120 Dune Palms Road, Suite C, La Quinta, CA
92253
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of a 16-lot subdivision.
LOCATION: Kokopelli Circle East; east side of Shepard Lane
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Mr. Urbina distributed revised side elevations for the homes at the end
of the cul-de-sac. Staff wanted the elevations for the two homes that
are facing Portola above the 6' high block wall to be "dressed up".
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that the elevations should be
"dressed up" all the way around on all of the homes. Mr. Urbina
commented that he did fore-warn the applicant that Architectural
Review Commission likes to see recessed windows and details.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that they like to see architecture
all the way around the building, not just on the front elevation.
Rod Grinberg, representative for Transwest Housing, Inc., was present
and stated that he looked at other recently-built homes along Portola
and he didn't see additional architectural detail on the rear yard and
side yard elevations. It may be out there in some cases, but certainly it
certainly isn't the "norm" for the product that's been built in the last 4-5
years. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that he doesn't agree with
that statement. Almost every project that comes through the ARC are
asked to increase the architecture on the side and rear elevations. Mr.
Grinberg stated that they're including rear covered patios so you won't
be able to see much on that elevation. They could take a look at the
side elevations.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that they realize that it's precious space on
the side elevations and what they're talking about is recessing a
window by 2" so that the plaster could turn into it, instead of it just being
flush. Commissioner Hanson asked if they were doing 2 x 6 walls or 2
x 4 walls because they look like 2 x 4. Mr. Grinberg stated that his
architect was not present so he wasn't sure. Commissioner Hanson
suggested that they could use a 2 x 6 wall on the exterior and add a 2 x
4 nailing flange and that would give them their recess.
Commissioner Hanson commented that it's nice to have the overhang
at the rear of the house, but it makes for a very interesting rear
elevation. Rear elevations happen to be the elevations that your
neighbors will see. She suggested popping out a portion of the rear
elevation approximately two feet to add a shadow line. There was a
question about the material being used around the surround on the
front elevation. Mr. Grinberg commented that they would use foam.
Commissioner Hanson commented that the chimneys should be of a
larger scale and with more detail. Commissioner Vuksic asked what
was on top of the chimneys. Mr. Grinberg stated that they are
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proposing different decorative screening on top of the chimneys.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that the plans show that the
chimneys are 2' x 2'. If they increased the mass on the chimney, it
wouldn't look so rickety and would create a more substantial chimney
mass.
Commissioner Hanson stated that on the floor plan for Plan 1, the way
that the pantry juts out in front of the fireplace won't work. Mr. Grinberg
commented that they're still working on the floor plans.
Mr. Drell commented that the Venezia project on Portola has almost
exactly the same silhouette with the hip roofs. Even though the details
change, the silhouette is almost the same. Plans A and C have almost
the same silhouette on the proposed plans. It looks a little odd when
almost every house has the same silhouette. Commissioner Vuksic
asked if all the houses have hipped ends. He thought that there were
some houses with gabled side yards. Another concern was on Plan 1 B.
The side elevation has a lot of wall there. The windows look pretty
utilitarian which is a concern. Maybe there needs to be something up
higher. Also the eave details are hard to understand. It looks so thin.
It looks like a 2 x 4. Mr. Grinberg agreed that it needs to be enlarged.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the cornice continues up around the
top. Commissioner Hanson commented that it stops.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that they need to take the same eave
detail and carry it up and across the top of the gable instead of
terminating it down at the bottom. Commissioner Hanson commented
that this is a very traditional detail. All they do is wrap the tile over the
top of the plaster and it's very flat. Commissioner Vuksic concurred but
it doesn't seem to apply on the side elevation. Commissioner Hanson
stated that they need to be given the detail so that they can be shown
what it is. Commissioner Vuksic commented that on Plan 1 B on the
front elevation, the right side shows it flush but wondered if there was
an overhang. Mr. Grinberg stated that he believes that it's flush.
Commissioner Hanson stated that there are contradictions that need to
be worked out. Is it flush or not flush? Mr. Drell stated that the details
will be shown in the working drawings and the ARC will be able to look
at them. Commissioner Hanson suggested that if the applicant has any
questions, they should forward the details to the commission to review.
Mr. Grinberg stated that he thought that when the architects looked at
the requirements for ARC they saw the emphasis on the front elevation
so maybe they didn't submit the details for the side elevations.
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Commissioner Lambell noted that the overall height is 18'4" and asked
if this was consistent with other homes in the neighborhood. Mr. Drell
commented that 184" is too high. The roof height has to be 18' from
finished pad to the top of the tile.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked about the fieldstone and wanted to know
if this is the way that it's going to be laid up with full mortar in between
the stones. Commissioner Hanson stated that they'll probably use pre-
cast stone. Commissioner Van Vliet commented that he likes the
variation, if that's the way that it's going to be.
Commissioner Lambell commented that the windows on the latest
drawing are so much better looking than the windows shown on the
elevations. She asked if they're only going on the Portola elevation.
Mr. Grinberg stated that this is what they're proposing. Mr. Drell stated
that there is typically some decrease in architecture on the side
elevations. Mr. Grinberg offered to do a foam wrap around the
windows on the side elevations. Mr. Drell stated that if he insets the
windows, he won't have to do a foam wrap. Commissioner Hanson
commented that she hates the foam wrap. Mr. Drell stated that the
simplest thing to do is to inset the windows.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell for preliminary approval of architecture only, subject to (1)
adding dimension on the rear elevations, (2) recess windows on the
side elevations by at least 2", (3) roof height at maximum of 18' from
finished grade to top of tile, (4) chimneys to be increased in size to
either 2Y2' x 4' or 3' x 3' minimum, (5) adding a gabled elevation detail
on Plan 2, (6) add architectural detail higher on the wall on the gabled
end portion of the building, (7) create a more creative entry tower on
the front elevation of Plan 1 C and lower the element, and (8) the right
elevation on Plan 2A entry element should be separated from the house
more than it currently is. Motion carried 5-0-1-1 with Commissioner
Lopez abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
2. CASE NO.: PP 04-17
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STORAGE DEPOT 3 LLC, c/o
Malcolm Riley, 11640 San Vicente Blvd., Suite 202, Los Angeles, CA
90049
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NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of a 95,583 square foot self-storage facility.
LOCATION: North side of Dinah Shore between Portola and Monterey
Avenue
ZONE: SI
Mr. Bagato stated that the property is located on the north side of
Dinah Shore along the railroad tracks. This will be a self storage facility
with one manager's unit. The architect, Ariel Valli, was present to
answer questions.
Mr. Valli stated that this project would have a flat roof desert-type of
architecture with stucco and concrete block. I'd like to make it look
good, fit into the community, landscape it nicely along the edges and
provide storage needs for that part of the city, which is growing very
rapidly. We would like to keep it fairly streamlined and fairly industrial
in appearance so that it blends into the development of the rest of the
Desert Gateway Park.
Mr. Drell asked if we would be seeing a wall on the street elevation.
Mr. Valli stated that the street elevation is the manager's unit.
Commissioner Hanson asked about the material for the wall. Mr. Valli
stated that it's a combination of precision concrete block and decorative
concrete block. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if they intend on
offsetting the precision block. Mr. Valli stated that they can do a
standard 1" offset to overlap it so that it "jumps out" a little bit further to
provide for more of a shadow line.
Mr. Drell asked about the projects that will be going in on the east and
the west. Mr. Valli stated that they don't know yet. The property line
will have a 10' landscape strip. Mr. Drell asked if there was going to be
a parking lot on the next property. Mr. Valli stated that it may. They
were adhering to the development standards for this business park. It's
possible that the adjacent property could get another 10' setback.
Commissioner Vuksic asked if they were using metal siding on the
building. Mr. Valli stated that they're using tight-but metal panels,
which are almost a flush surface. From the distance that they're going
to be from any public streets (over 400' from the freeway and almost
250' to Dinah Shore) it will be very hard to pick up the fact that they're
metal panels. It'll look like they're stucco plane from a distance.
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Commissioner Lambell asked about the color. Mr. Valli stated that it'll
match the stucco.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she felt that the tower was too
tall but likes the general flavor of the manager's unit and wondered why
they didn't carry that through on the storage building instead of doing
the little steps. She suggested carrying the architecture of the
manager's unit throughout the project to make it more cohesive. Mr.
Valli stated that they can do that in terms of color and eyebrows. They
wanted to provide a logical signage plane.
Commissioner Lambell asked about the height of the tower. Mr. Valli
stated that it's 35' high. Commissioner Hanson commented that all of
the 6" end pieces have to go back and look like it's a structure. We
never want to see ends like that. It needs to be less like a facade and
more like a structure so you don't see the back edge of a parapet. It
has to be returned back and around. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
they have them everywhere. Mr. Valli stated that they can do 10'
returns. Commissioner Hanson stated that they should do 10' returns
and go 10' back again. Make it an element, not a plant-on.
Commissioner Oppenheim asked how much the tower should be
lowered. Commissioner Hanson stated that if it came down 5' it would
probably be fine because it's way too tall.
Commissioner Oppenheim commented that she really likes the color
palette with the bolder colors. Commissioner Hanson stated that
aluminum is a really great material that you can cantilever and you can
get it pre-coated. Mr. Valli stated that they wanted to do something a
little bit beyond the normal color palette.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the mechanical equipment will be
installed on the roof. Mr. Valli stated that all the mechanical equipment
for the storage building will be at ground level and the equipment for
the manager's unit will be on the roof and screened by the parapet. No
equipment will be seen above the parapet line.
Commissioner Hanson stated that one of the things that she would like
to recommend is to return with elevations as viewed from Dinah Shore
on the east elevation. It would also be important to see what the gates
are going to look like. Mr. Valli stated that usually they're wrought iron
and they could put mesh in them. Commissioner Hanson stated that
the commission wants to see what they look like.
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Commissioner Vuksic asked about the line above the building on the
north elevation and wondered if this was the parapet on the other side
of the building. Is there some reason why it's a different height? Mr.
Valli stated they should be equal. He'll probably take away some of the
stepping and make it more of an element that matches the front
manager's building in color and texture. Commissioner Vuksic asked
Mr. Valli to show a section that they can adequately screen the
mechanical equipment. Mr. Valli stated that the only roof-mounted
equipment is on the manager's unit and it will be adequately screened.
Commissioner Vuksic asked about roof access. Mr. Valli stated that
there will be a roof hatch inside the building with no exterior ladders.
Commissioner Lopez commented that he wasn't sure if the landscaping
would meet the water calculations based on some of the plant material
in the plant palette. He asked the applicant if anybody had done any
preliminary water calcs. Mr. Valli stated that Land Perspective is the
landscape architect but didn't say if they did any preliminary water
calcs. Commissioner Lopez commented that using ocotillo in a
commercial area tend to get "beat up". The mesquite trees are too
close to the buildings and parking lots. There are other more standard
trees that might work better for parking lot shade trees. Cobble in
commercial areas tend to get kicked into the sidewalks and into the
streets. The decomposed granite is a lot more effective. Mr. Valli
stated that they've gotten a lot of compliments on the Sure Save Self
Storage on Country Club with the cobbled, dry river look.
Commissioner Lopez commented that it looks great but it's more
maintenance. It catches trash and it gets buried in blow sand. Ms.
Hollinger submitted notes on the landscape plan.
Commissioner Hanson commented that they should pick a darker color
for the main part of the building. It'll come out much lighter in the sun.
Commissioner Lambell stated that they're calling out storefront glass,
vision glass and spandrel glass and asked for clarification. Mr. Valli
stated that the storefront glass is in the office area so you can see into
the office and is lightly reflective. Mr. Valli stated that it's a retail-type of
use so you have to be able to see inside. It'll be lightly reflective.
Commissioner Lambell commented that the commission doesn't like
reflective glass very much. Mr. Valli stated that it'll be about 5%
reflectivity. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it'll be lightly tinted and
it won't be mirrored.
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Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell to continue the request to allow the applicant to return with
revised elevations. Motion carried 5-0-0-2 with Commissioners
Gregory and Vuksic absent.
3. CASE NO.: CUP 01-13
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS):
JEWISH FEDERATION of PALM SPRINGS, 255 N. El Cielo, Suite
450, Palm Springs, CA 92262
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
for a community center facility. Jewish Community Center
LOCATION: West side of Portola, south of Gerald Ford
ZONE: PR-5
Mr. Smith stated that a site plan was included in the commissioner's
packets. The site is north of Desert Willow. To the west there are
single-family homes with some already built and some to come. Along
Portola to south there are homes that side onto Portola. There's no
access from Portola. Access is from Shepard Lane. The applicant
brought a model for the commission to review. Mr. Drell asked if the
model was accurate. Ron Goldman, architect, was present and stated
that it's accurate in footprint but it's not up-to-date in form. Mr. Drell
stated that they went through a conditional use permit process 5-6
years ago so technically the adjacent property owners had a chance to
comment on it.
Mr. Goldman stated that in the first phase they were trying to develop a
few walls that would make more of a statement with a curved wall to tie
the two buildings together. The trellis is not part of the first phase. If
budget allows, they would like to put it in during the second phase.
Commissioner Hanson asked Mr. Goldman about his design
philosophy for the project. Mr. Goldman stated that basically he's
designed a 95,000 square foot complex. For many reasons, they didn't
want to create this in a larger building mass so they split the buildings
into three neighborhoods or villages. The one up against Portola is the
recreational neighborhood. There are Jewish Federation offices on the
north end. The rest is fitness, gymnasium and pool facilities around an
active courtyard. There is a cultural neighborhood in the center, which
is really a series of meeting rooms, a library, a holocaust exhibit area
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and in the front corner is the Jewish Family Services building. On the
westerly side is the educational neighborhood which includes a pre-
school and, in the second phase, the possibility of a day school up
through the sixth grade. At this point, they're more focused on the pre-
school. In terms of the design philosophy, besides splitting this up into
three neighborhoods, they are concerned about dissolving or
integrating the site with the architecture. In terms of the forms of the
buildings, courtyards, screen walls and the parking lot, we envision this
to ultimately be as much of a park-like setting as possible. We want it
to be warm and inviting, not walking into a big lobby into a large
building but an entrance with a water feature or just a damp cobble
stream that leads you up into a trellis area through a gate. Your first
view is across the field and up into the San Jacinto Mountains. If a
person is bicycling or walking to the site, they would have that
experience as a pedestrian. There's a series of outdoor playgrounds,
active/passive areas and a second-floor courtyard in the center
building. It's our intent that the three entrances to the complex in the
future to each of the three neighborhoods would have art pieces and
decorative entrances. We're struggling in a number of ways with the
parking lot.
Mr. Goldman introduced Alan Thugman, Executive Director of the
Federation and Jim Horowitz, Head of the Building Committee who
were both present.
Mr. Goldman stated that in terms of one of the first experiences when
you come up, besides the corner experience, is something that makes
the complex feel that if I'm a five-year-old, the scale of the building
should be inviting. The experience would be inviting. It would be a
campus that I would enjoy experiencing. The color, materials and the
artistic accents will be inviting. There is a curved wall that shows up on
the second phase elevations and a mural. We've had a number of
thoughts on the parking lot in terms of lighting and landscaping. We
didn't want a landscape that was regimented. The landscape is an S-
shape of trees and in between are clusters of other trees. They're
trying to make the parking lot and making it into something that's more
park-like. There are some wall fragments in the parking lot and
gateways which take the architecture out into the parking lot and tie the
two together. We looked at different ways to light it to try and get away
from the tall poles or just a sea of intermediate poles. We looked at the
possibility of moonlighting but this requires mature trees throughout
from the outset so we decided to use part of that. We looked at indirect
lighting and the possibility of using indirect lighting throughout and
making it more park-like. You can get lighting that has very little glare
to something that has a little more glare. We decided to use it in such
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a way that it would face toward Shepard Lane and away from any of
the housing. We took a look at sign pile-ons and lighting those pile-ons
and creating a Stonehenge sea of pile-ons. We decided that this was
maybe too much but it was an interesting thought and we incorporated
some of that into what we're going to propose. We even looked at
cable lighting and decided between the Fire Department and winds that
there was a certain issue and maybe it had too much of an urban
character. What we ended up with was the moonlighting concept and
the indirect lights and little wall-mounted lights on the top of the low
walls. We'd like to mix up the plant types in the parking to create as
much of a non-structured look as possible so that the parking lot is
turned into less of a rigid statement. We struggled with the colors on
the building and have basically proposed a palette which is a warmer
palette. I feel that accent colors will be more fun and more pronounced
with an earthy background. Commissioner Hanson stated that this is
not necessarily true. You have to do the study and make up your own
mind. The major green that's being proposed is a little bit too "army
green". You need to pick something that's a little bit more in the sage
range so that it has a little bit of blue in it. Ultimately, you have to come
to the commission with a color board. Mr. Goldman stated that when
he drives around the community he sees a lot of different shades of
beige. Somehow, if it is to end up being beige, the accent colors will
make it stand out.
Commissioner Hanson asked Mr. Goldman about the very long orange
wall with one arch in it. In your presentation to us, you talked about
how you wanted a building where whether you were a small child or an
adult, as you walked in you felt comfortable. That is not a comfortable
wall. It might be borderline interesting architecturally, but I don't that
this is a comfortable wall. I think that it contradicts what you said that
you were trying to accomplish. Mr. Goldman stated that what he's
trying to accomplish with the wall is to say that this is more of a
landscape or hard element that's not the side of the building and I'm
not walking between two buildings. I'd rather walk between two walls
that screens a biblical garden that's inside. Between those three
elements, I'd like to walk between walls rather than walk between
buildings. Can that wall be a different shape, a different color or a
different material? Commissioner Hanson commented that a stone
wall seems like it would be appropriate in that it echos history. As it
stands with it being a peach wall with a big arch in it, it doesn't make
sense. Mr. Drell asked if there's any stone in any other part of the
project. Mr. Goldman stated that there is some stone in the second
phase.
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Commissioner Lopez stated that there's a nice water feature with
parking right behind it. He wondered if people would be able to see
cars and trucks behind that element. It would spoil it to have cars right
behind it. Mr. Goldman stated that the wall tapers from 4' up to 8'-9' to
screen the parking fairly successfully. Mr. Drell commented that a 4'
wall won't screen cars. You won't be able to screen them until you get
to 5'-6'. Mr. Goldman commented that he doesn't have a problem
starting the wall higher.
Commissioner Hanson asked if the commission is being asked for
preliminary approval of both phases. Mr. Drell commented that he
thought that they're being asked for approval of both phases, but
they're also approving phase one independently enough because that
might be all that we end up with.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she doesn't have a lot of
issues with phase one other than the one wall that she doesn't
particularly like. I would like the opportunity to spend some more time
reviewing it and make comments at the next meeting. It's very
complicated that there are a lot of different buildings that interact with
each other in a complicated way. Understanding how the phasing is
going to work is important. If all we're going to see is phase one for ten
years, I want to understand what that's going to look like by itself and
then I want to be able to see how it all ties together. I haven't had
enough time to review all of the plans.
Commissioner Lopez commented that he noticed walls and gates
around the proposed basketball courts. Will the general community be
able to use the basketball courts and playing fields on the weekends or
is it going to be gated off so that nobody can use it? There are ways to
gate and secure the rest of the area and allow the people in that area
to use the sports facilities. Mr. Goldman stated that the membership in
this campus is open to the entire community. Commissioner Lopez
commented that it would be nice to have a place to play basketball
instead in front of someone's house. In looking at the drop-off and
pick-up areas it seems like there are always cars stacked and kids
waiting. I think that it's very important to look at where the kids might
be waiting to be picked up. It doesn't look inviting where someone
would be waiting. Mr. Goldman stated that there's an extra wide
sidewalk in the waiting area and a couple hundred feet where cars can
stack. It's single loaded so that the children would be waiting
immediately outside the gate to school and on the sidewalk.
Commissioner Lopez commented that the elements in the parking lot
look fun and interesting. In landscaping, I'm always seeing people
putting in oleander or bush bougainvillea that grow so high that when
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you're backing out and people are coming in, they could become
obstructions.
Commissioner Oppenheim stated that overall, it's really an exciting
project and I love the fact that there are so many unexpected things
that pop up and yet it all seems to work together. It's going to be
wonderful. I agree that it's a lot for us to grasp and we want to make
sure that we have it right.
Mr. Goldman commented that he will get the final colors to the
commissioners before their next meeting.
Commissioner Van Vliet commented that he wanted to make sure that
the mechanical equipment on the roof would be designed so that it
would be screened. The elevations show that there is some
mechanical equipment that's above the parapets. Mr. Goldman
commented that about half of the units would be covered within a well
or within a parapet and about half of them would need a screen. When
a building tends to be rectangular, we like to use that as another form.
Commissioner Lopez asked if the applicant was tight on parking. Mr.
Goldman stated that they have 307 spaces. If everything were used
simultaneously, which it wouldn't be, we would need 500 spaces. This
would be if the multi-purpose room, gym, etc... were all used at the
same time. What we did on the plans is outline two typical daytime,
evening and weekend use and what would be in play typically.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim to continue the request to the meeting of September 14,
2004 to allow the applicant to return with a larger version of Phase 1
including roof plans, site plan, materials/colors, all four sides of the
buildings, as well as how it relates to Phase 2. Motion carried 5-0-0-2
with Commissioners Gregory and Vuksic absent.
C. Miscellaneous
1. CASE NO.: PP 04-20, C/Z 04-02
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CHRIS McFADDEN, 72-925 Fred
Waring Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for
comments on revisions to a new office building.
LOCATION: 42-277 Portola
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Mr. Smith stated that at the last meeting the commissioners requested
that the applicant come up with something that would be more
residential in scale. Revised plans were submitted and distributed to
the commissioners for their review.
Micah Combs, representative for Chris McFadden, was present to
answer questions. He commented that the revised plans reflect a 15%
height reduction.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if there was a square footage change or
any other change. Mr. Combs commented that the roof changed a little
bit. Mr. Drell stated that the eave lines are at 18'. Commissioner Van
Vliet asked if the overall height of the building was reduced by 3' or just
certain sections. Mr. Combs stated that certain sections of the building
were reduced by 3', but the rest remains the same height as the
previous proposal. Mr. Smith stated that the top of the ridge on the
previous proposal was 25' and now it's shown at 22'.
Commissioner Lopez commented that he always thought that the
building looked great but doesn't feel that it belongs in this particular
neighborhood. There are just a couple little problems with the
landscaping, but the building doesn't belong in this part of the
neighborhood.
Commissioner Hanson stated that she thought that it was an attractive
building, but to catagorize it as residentially scaled is not accurate for
this particular neighborhood. I don't think that the solution of just
sinking it 3' changes the fact that it makes it more residential or not.
Mr. Combs asked for clarification on what Commissioner Hanson is
recommending. Commissioner Hanson stated that she's not
recommending anything but she saying that given this particular
solution, it's not residentially scaled from the standpoint of our last
meeting when we talked about it needing to be one story. I don't think
that dropping the building by 3' meets that requirement. I like the
building, but not for that lot with the parameters that the commission
was given in order to approve it.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he recalled from the last meeting, the
commission was specifically asked if this was of a residential scale.
This was the question. The answer at that time was "no" and I don't
really see that it looks any different.
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Commissioner Van Vliet asked if anyone in the audience would like to
speak. Jeanne Martin, resident, was present and stated that her
property is just to the west of this project and her backyard would face
their parking lot. This building is not appropriate for a residential area.
Mr. Drell stated that there are people who build one-story office
buildings, but it's a matter of how much the applicant is paying for the
land. Now he's going to have to go back to the property owner and re-
negotiate the price so that it makes sense financially. Ms. Martin
commented that the property has closed escrow.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim to refer the request to the City Council with a
recommendation for denial because the proposal doesn't meet the
requirement for residential scale, as identified in the general plan.
Motion carried 6-0-0-1 with Commissioner Gregory absent.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 2:20 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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