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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 4
Kristi Hanson X 4
Chris Van Vliet X 3 1
John Vuksic X 4
Ray Lopez X 4
Karen Oppenheim X 4
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
I11. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: FEBRUARY 10, 2004
Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner Oppenheim to
approve the minutes of February 10, 2004. The motion carried 5-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
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A. Final Drawinqs
1. CASE NO.: SA 04-18
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PAIGE LINN, GLOBAL
ENTERTAINMENT, P.O. Box 134, Palm Desert, CA 92261
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to recover
two canopies including business signage.
LOCATION: 73-130 EI Paseo, Suite H; Pink Club
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith commented that there are existing blue awnings at this
location and the applicant would like to recover them with pink canvas
and black lettering for the signage. Commissioner Gregory asked if the
height of the letters meets the criteria. Mr. Smith stated that it does.
Commissioner Gregory asked the commission if they're comfortable
with the pink color. Commissioner Hanson asked if there was a slightly
less intense pink canvas available. A pink awning would be appropriate
for the store due to the name of the business, however, the proposed
color is very vibrant and it's going to be more vibrant in the desert light.
Jim Sadler, representative for American Awning, was present and
commented that there are other pinks but they end up looking almost
like a maroon color. As pinks go, most of them are going to end up
looking like a maroon/burgundy color with a "pre-faded" appearance.
For the Pink Club, this is a flame retardant polyester fabric. Paige Linn,
applicant, stated that her front window is done in pale pinks and mauve,
which is a good contrast to the hot pink awning. She is not interested in
having a pale pink that will fade, or a rose or mauve colored awning.
Commissioner Gregory commented that he didn't think that the
proposed awning was that "in your face". IYs not neon, radiant or overly
bright. Commissioner Oppenheim asked the applicant if there was a
reason why the store name was duplicated on each awning so that it
reads, "Pink Club, Pink Club". Ms. Linn stated that she was just
recovering the existing awnings, which had signage on both awnings.
Commissioner Oppenheim stated that it looks like two establishments.
Mr. Sadler stated that one awning is set back near the doorway. Ms.
Linn commented that there are many, many businesses on that street
that have consecutive names on their awnings.
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Commissioner Vuksic commented that he thought that the awnings
were alright. The pink is going to fade a little over time. There are
establishments that have their name on repetitive awnings. It's part of
the whole design of the awning. He complimented the applicant on the
lettering style.
Commissioner Lopez commented that the awnings aren't as big as the
awning next to it. The script lettering is preferred over the block.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval subject to the lettering being in script-style
font. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 with Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
2. CASE NO.: MISC 04-09
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� ROCCO ANTHONY DILUCCHIO, 73-
432 Sunny Trail, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
revised plans for a manufactured home (guest house).
LOCATION: 73-432 Sunny Trail
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith commented that the applicant has returned with revised plans
for a manufactured home, which will be used as a guest house.
Apparently, last week the two pieces of the manufactured home were
delivered to the site and placed in the area where they're requesting to
put it. That was the result of having a certain permits that were ready to
expire if they didn't use them. The commission was given revised
plans, which were done by Lew Bishop. They are proposing to add a
garage and trellis. He asked the commission if the home was
acceptable or did it need additional detailing in order to make it
consistent with the neighborhood, which is our goal.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she went by the property. Mr.
Bishop showed the commissioner photographs of the surrounding
neighborhood. Commissioner Hanson commented that there are a lot
of things in the area that the commission wouldn't necessarily approve
today. The fact that there's going to be a wall around the manufactured
home increasingly helps it. While we might not like the thought of a
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manufactured home, the commission has been directed that this is not
the issue. If the new home blends into the existing home and looks like
it and looks like it is a permanent structure, she doesn't have a lot of
issues with it. The exterior of the home should be stucco. There is a
question about the roof material, which is being proposed as having a
composition roof. Mr. Bishop commented that the composition roof
would be compatible with whaYs in the neighborhood. The house next
door has a composition roof. Commissioner Hanson stated that she
doesn't care whaYs next door. She cares about the house that exists
on the property. Mr. Bishop stated that the existing house has a flat
roof. The proposed guest house will be stuccoed white and a 16' x 30'
patio will be added to the front. The house will be used in conjunction
with the main house on the property. Mr. Bishop stated that the
existing house is a 50's contemporary flat roof house with columns on
it.
Commissioner Gregory asked if there is flashing on top or something
where you see the grey trim. Mr. Bishop stated that he wasn't sure if it
was painted or actual metal. Commissioner Gregory stated that if that's
what you can see on the roof because it's flat, then maybe the gable
roof on the guest house will tie into it because it's grey. Mr. Bishop
commented that the patio on the front of the guest house will break up
the long length of a typical manufactured home, which is 64' in length.
They're also adding a three-car garage, which will make it even longer.
Mr. Bishop stated that the manufacture home is sitting up about 3'-4'
above grade right now but when it's dropped down it won't even be
visible. Commissioner Gregory asked if the guest house meets the
setback requirements and maximum roof height requirements. Mr.
Bishop stated that the roof height is only 12' and it meets the setbacks.
Commissioner Lopez commented that he noticed that there's rock
veneer on the existing house and asked if they were going to
incorporate that into the guest house. Mr. Bishop stated that the pre-
cast columns on the guest house porch will match the columns on the
existing house. The only place you see the rock is from the street. The
existing house is on a totally different street.
Mr. Bishop stated that a manufactured house is a house that's built as if
you're building a wood frame house with a wood platform floor, 2 x 6
studs with insulation and it has to meet all of the same criteria as a
standard wood frame tract house. Commissioner Vuksic commented
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that the manufactured home will look like the garage, which is a stick-
built structure.
Mr. Bishop apologized for having the manufactured home delivered to
the site ahead of time, but the owner had a Cal Trans permit that was
about to expire so they moved it out here.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval subject to matching the stucco and columns on the
manufactured home with the existing house. Motion carried 5-0-0-1
with Commissior�er Van Vliet absent.
3. CASE NO.: MISC 04-10
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JOYCE WAYMAN, 76-835
Roadrunner Drive, Indian Wells, CA 92210
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Re-design of facade
of existing commercial building in conjunction with the City of Palm
Desert's Facade Enhancement Program.
LOCATION: 73-290 EI Paseo
ZONE: C-1
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 with
Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
4. CASE NO.: MISC 04-11
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, 44-600
Village Court, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of 15'6" roof
height on two single-family homes.
LOCATION: Goleta Avenue / Deep Canyon
ZONE:R-1
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Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-
0-0-1 with Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
5. CASE NO.: MISC 04-12
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): MOUNTAIN SHADOWS
ASSOCIATION, CARL BERGERSEN, 73-700 Grapevine Street, Palm
Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to build a 6'
high, tan, slump stone wall 9' from the curb.
LOCATION: 73-700 Grapevine Street
ZONE:
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-
0-0-1 with Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
6. CASE NO.: MISC 04-13
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� ULF STRANDJORD, 72-788 Sierra
Vista, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for 6' high
garden wall 10' from the front and street side yard curb face.
LOCATION: 72-819 Tampico Drive
ZONE: R-1
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Lopez for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-
0-0-1 with Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
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7. CASE NO.: SA 04-14
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BELLINI RESTAURANT, 73-111 EI
Paseo, Suite 106, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of awning
with signage.
LOCATION: 73-111 EI Paseo, Suite 106; Bellini Restaurant
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Bagato stated that the existing awning was approved in the current
location years ago. Previously the awning was beige in color for the
Cuistot restaurant. The applicant was not aware that she needed the
re-cover of the awning approved and she had a contractor install a
yellow awning with black letters for the Bellini restaurant.
Commissioner Hanson asked if the amount of lettering meets the sign
criteria. Mr. Bagato stated that the doesn't have any diagrams to
review. He commented that he could go to the site and measure the
lettering. Mr. Drell stated that the restaurant doesn't front on EI Paseo.
He guessed, in terms of area, that the lettering is okay. This is an
unusual case where they're trying to get exposure for a restaurant that
doesn't have actual frontage.
Pisano Marylene, applicant, was present and apologized for not getting
a permit for the awning. She commented that nobody can see her
restaurant from EI Paseo. Commissioner Hanson stated that she
doesn't have any issue with the color or the fact that the awning is
there. They probably didn't notice it as much before because it was tan
but the yellow awning looks chopped off at the back. It has a very flat
back, as opposed to finishing it off. She suggested repeating the same
curved shape on the back to finish it off so that it looks like it belongs
there. Anybody who's walking out from Estate Jewelry can see it and
rather than looking at something that's half done and flat, it would look
like it's supposed to be that way. Mr. Drell suggested making it look a
little bit more substantial because it's flimsy looking. Ms. Marylene
suggested adding lettering to the back.
Commissioner Hanson suggested beefing up the poles so that they
don't look like spindly poles with a heavy thing floating on top of it.
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Commissioner Vuksic stated that the back of the awning wouldn't have
to be a full half circle but could be a little shallower. Commissioner
Gregory suggested pulling the existing rear forward so that she could
get an equivalent curved part. The applicant has inherited a bad design
but her restaurant does need some exposure. The height of the letters
on the front could be made smaller. Typically an 8" �etter is big enough.
Mr. Smith stated that the letters on the side of the awning are
approximately 8" in height with the front being approximately 12" high.
Ms. Marylene indicated that she can have the front lettering take off and
replaced with smaller letters. Commissioner Oppenheim commented
that this would be a big help.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for approval subject to (1) altering awning by adding a rounded
piece on the back portion, (2) thickening pipe columns so they're at
least 6" in diameter with the columns being metal, and (3) change the
lettering on the front to the size of the lettering on the side of the
awning. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 with Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
8. CASE NO.: MISC 04-14
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� MARK RATLIFF, 73-725 De Anza
Way, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of a 18' high
roof for a single-family residence.
LOCATION: 73-725 De Anza Way
ZONE: R-1
Mr. Smith stated that the applicant is proposing an 18' high roof from
finished grade. It started out at around 21'6" and the applicant has
lowered it to 18'.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic for approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 with Commissioner Van
Vliet absent.
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Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez to add MISC 03-07 to the agenda. Motion carried 4-0-1-1 with
Commissioner Gregory abstaining and Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
9. CASE NO.: MISC 03-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� FRANK URRUTIA, 73-550 Alessandro
Drive, Suite 201, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of fire
station remodel.
LOCATION: Mesa View Drive
ZONE: PR-7.
Mr. Smith stated that the plans are consistent with what the commission
had seen previously and which had received preliminary approval by
minute motion. It was recommended that final approval be granted.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval. Motion carried 4-0-1-1 with Commissioner
Gregory abstaining and Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez to add PP 02-88 to the agenda. Motion carried 4-0-1-1 with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
10. CASE NO.: PP 02-88
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� PREST-VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, 72-
624 EI Paseo, Suite B6, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Reconsideration of
roof material for a new office building.
LOCATION: San Pablo (north of San Gorgonio)
ZONE: OP
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John Vuksic stated that they have a very gently curved roof on the
building. The roof material that was previously approved was a
urethane foam roof with gravel on it. He'd like to change it to a standing
seam metal roof because it's a better quality roof. You can't really see
the top of the roof, but you can see the edge. If you're back far enough
you can start to catch the top of the roof. They've never used a gravel
roof on a project like that and they're not sure how perfect it's going to
be. If there are rifts in it, they'd be a littte concerned about it. The
standing seam metal roof will be galvanized. Commissioner Hanson
asked if it would be reflective. Commissioner Vuksic stated that it has a
dull finish and would not be reflective. Commissioner Hanson stated
that it's fine.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Gregory for approval of standing seam galvanized metal roof material to
replace the previously approved polyurethane insulated textured roof.
Motion carried 4-0-1-1 with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and
Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: PP 03-11
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): RICK EVANS, 71-800 Highway 111,
Suite A224, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of revised
elevations for a hotel building in the Wonder Palms Master Plan of
Development.
LOCATION: Southwest corner of Gerald Ford and Cook Street
ZONE: PCD
Rick Evans introduced Michael Robinson, architect. Mr. Evans stated
that they attempted to come back with some refinements to the
elevations for the hotel, including rear and end elevations. Mr.
Robinson stated that basically the hotel was designed for consistency
with the other retail buildings with some up and downs, ins and outs
and movement so it's not just a flat building. Parts of the building are
setback and use different colors to create a village idea.
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Mr. Smith commented that the ARC reviewed conceptual plans for the
hotel in September of 2003. There are freestanding restaurants in front
to the east. The location is at Berger and Cook Street, but it's setback
250' from the street and is at the southern limit of the overall
development of 25 acres.
Commissioner Vuksic asked how far the third floor is setback from the
first and second floor. Mr. Robinson stated that it's setback
approximately 18". Commissioner Vuksic stated that he has a couple
of concerns. One concern is the design of the entry structure. It should
look like it belongs to the rest of the hotel. Even if it did, he's concerned
about it aesthetically on its own. It looks very top heavy. The mass
above the glass line and eye brow is too heavy looking. He's not
convinced that this is an acceptable design solution for that element.
Mr. Robinson asked if it would be better to take some of the elements
and proportions and put them into the entry. They were trying to create
the idea that the entry would be a separate type of building.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that that's okay, but if you took it on
its own he didn't think it's "there". He asked the architect if he thought it
was nice and if he was happy with it. Mr. Robinson commented that he
thought that it was a big improvement to what they had done before.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he liked what he was saying and if
you look at it in context, it ties in okay. IYs close but it needs to pull up
a little bit. Mr. Robinson commented that he could eliminate the
eyebrow, or recess it or leave it flush and then raise the windows up.
Commissioner Vuksic agreed and commented that he didn't think it was
a big deal but they need to "massage" it a bit. He stated concern on the
rear elevation and how long it is and how little is going on there. That is
going to be visible from public areas. Mr. Evans stated that it'll be
across the street from a park. Commissioner Vuksic commented that
there isn't enough happening on the rear elevation. Mr. Robinson
stated that there's one plane with another plane setback. There's
another plane pushed out in front to create shadow. There is a big
attempt to move up and down and in and out. The idea is trying to
move the building in and out and create shadow lines. The building is
approximately 300' long. Commissioner Vuksic commented that the
planes are a couple of feet apart and the building is as long as a
football field. Mr. Robinson stated that on the side portion they're
pulling back about 8'-10'.
Commissioner Hanson asked if they had enough room at the back
entrance to push it out a little bit further. Maybe they could replicate the
arch with some stone out further so that it's almost like a covered
entrance into it. The rear entrance is too simplified. It's not strong
enough to read "entrance". All you read is the mass of all the windows,
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as opposed to something much stronger. Mr. Evans commented that
from a business point of view, the design is not necessarily to have an
entrance at the rear. The closest hotel that's similar in terms of rooms
and basic box is the Hampton Inn. What they've attempted to do on the
back side of the hotel is to replicate a little bit of the front entrance, but
there is a concern on the part of all the operators that they're talking to
is that this will become too major of an entrance. It needs to make a
statement that it's not a back of a building, similar to what Mr. Robinson
did on the retail buildings on Cook Street. Everything has to have a
back. When you're building in the round you have to give it some
tweaks. To be able to move it out a little bit further probably wouldn't be
a problem and to put the same kind of arch as the front probably
wouldn't be a problem because it's not really a cost issue. It's more of
an aesthetic issue. The other option is to eliminate it completely and
end up with a very small, simply stated pair of doors in one of the bays,
which would be a good secondary entrance/exit for the daytime person.
The rear doors will be locked at night, as all the hotels are.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she felt that what
Commissioner Vuksic was saying, and she agreed with him, was that it
reads with too much of all the repetition of the rooms and what entrance
is there now isn't enough to break up the elevation. Maybe iYs a matter
of taking those stone elements on the main entry and maybe it's
something out in front along the sidewalk that maybe is more of a
landscape element. It could be a disconnected element. Something
has to stop your eye from reading the complete horizontal elevation
with no interest. Mr. Robinson suggested keeping the entry very simple
and popping it out a couple of feet and then adding something to the
landscape. Commissioner Hanson stated that something minor can be
done to fix it. The front is nice, but iYs not reading as well on the back.
Mr. Drell asked if they intended to add awnings to the west elevation.
Mr. Robinson stated that he's left the windows deeper. Mr. Drell stated
that in the afternoon, deeper doesn't do much for you. They'll have
tremendous heat gain from the glass. Commissioner Gregory asked
how much the windows are recessed. Mr. Robinson commented that
they're recessed 18"-24". Mr. Evans stated that to put awnings on the
west side would have minimal additional effect. They like the idea that
the building is clean and would like to let some of the landscaping hold
onto it. They took the patio rooms on the ends off because it wasn't
clean enough. They were afraid that it was going to be too difficult to
maintain, which could have an effect on maintenance and also the
eventual look. He's really happy with the fact that the commission has
pushed them to this level. One of the reasons why they decided to
come back before they went back to the City Council is to be able to get
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approval of the concept that they're after and whatever changes they
have to make and move forward.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that they don't want to design the building
by committee. Commissioner Hanson stated that where it says "Suites
Hotel" at the top left side, is that that element maybe has a little punch
to it and repeating an element that they might have elsewhere.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the colors are very effective. The
composition of the front is nice. They should break up the back in the
same way that they did the front, but they don't have to create the same
kind of huge entrance. They need to break the very, very long
horizontal elevation at the rear.
Commissioner Gregory commented that the building is simple and
clean but they have a long roof line that they're always trying to work
with. Will this building look industrial because of this? At the least, they
should enhance the feeling of the larger structure towards the left on
the backside so that it reads as an element with a little more
articulation.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic to continue the request to allow the applicant to return with
revised plans. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 with Commissioner Van Vliet
absent.
2. CASE NO.: PP 03-21
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� PRES DEVELOPMENT, 1201 Dove
Street, Suite 100, Newport Beach, CA 92660
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of revised plans for sixteen industrial/commercial buildings.
LOCATION: Monterey 10 Business Center; S.E. corner of Dinah Shore
Drive and Leilani Way
ZONE: Commercial/Industrial
Mr. Smith stated that this project went before the ARC a couple of
months ago and the applicant has returned with revised plans. Mr.
Urbina stated that the previous materials board had three different
colors of slate and now the applicant has reduced it to one color, which
is light charcoal grey. This will be incorporated into some of the inset
elements.
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Commissioner Hanson stated that she likes the change, but they
copped out and used the same element on each building. It actually
looks very nice. The only thing that she found that she didn't feel that
the applicant had addressed is that they had issues with the sides of
some of the units on 4, 11 and 12 that other buildings such as buildings
14 and 13 are actually going to front on and what they're looking at.
The applicant stated that they changed the parapets, insets, colors,
reveals and glass. They made sure that all of the front buildings didn't
just have a fake front facade. Everything was addressed in terms of
parapet height, reveals, insets, glass, etc... On building 11, one of the
comments was that someone in building 10 would look at the back of
building 11. They went around all the buildings to make sure that they
had architecture. The towers on buildings 1 and 12 are not the same
as the towers on buildings 15 and 16. The towers are different heights,
different colors, have different orientation and they'll read differently in
sunlight.
Commissioner Gregory commented that the revised plans are a great
improvement over the last submittal. Commissioner Hanson stated that
they look beautiful and they'll be a nice addition to the area.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for preliminary approval. Motion carried 4-0-1-1 with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Van Vliet absent.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 1:40 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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