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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 5 1
Kristi Hanson X 6
Chris Van Vliet X 4 2
John Vuksic X 6
Ray Lopez X 6
Karen Oppenheim X 6
Also Present:
Phil Drell, Director, Community Development
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Donna Quaiver, Senior Office Assistant
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 9, 2004
Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by Commissioner Lopez to
approve the minutes of March 9, 2004. The motion carried 4-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. None.
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A. Final Drawinqs
1. CASE NO.: PP 03-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PREST-VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, 72-
624 EI Paseo, Suite B-6, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
construction drawings for a new 4,971 square foot office complex.
LOCATION: 73-081 Fred Waring, south side of Fred Waring, 390 feet
east of Monterey.
ZONE: O.P.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 3-0-1-2 with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioners Gregory and Van
Vliet absent.
2. CASE NO.: PP 02-16/VAR 02-05
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALM DESERT REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY, 73-510 Fred Waring Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
construction drawings for a new 36-unit apartment complex known as
Palm Village Apartments.
LOCATION: 73-610 Santa Rosa Way
ZONE: R-3
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
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3. CASE NO.: MISC 04-17
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): DAVID KATO, 40-963 Avenida
Solana, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of a
batting cage in the rear yard of a single family residence.
LOCATION: 40-963 Avenida Solana
ZONE: PR-5
Mr. Bagato stated that the batting cage is not visible from a public
street. It was put up in the rear yard of the homeowner's property. The
code requires that it be10' away from each property line since the
structure is 10' in height. The neighbor to the east can see it, but the
applicant has placed the batting cage 30' away from that property line.
The other side is about 16' from the property line and it's 7'-8' from the
rear, which is bordered by large trees. The applicant has already
planted laurel figs along the walls. Ms. Hollinger stated this type of
landscaping is very fast growing. Mr. Bagato stated that the batting
cage meets the code.
David Kato, applicant, stated that he has two very young children who
use the batting cage.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that when you live in a neighborhood,
things like this happen. Next to his house is a delapidated treehouse
and on the other side is a trampoline with screens around it. It's just
part of being in a family neighborhood.
Commissioner Oppenheim stated that she felt that there was a lot of
good faith with the landscaping.
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Vuksic for approval. Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
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4. CASE NO.: MISC 04-18
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ANTHONY-TAYLOR
CONSULTANTS, 304 Enterprise Street, Escondido, CA 92027
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval to
amend an existing facade enhancement for a retail store in Palms to
Pines Central.
LOCATION: 72-815 Highway 111, 99¢ STORE
ZONE: PC3
Mr. Smith stated that the commission should consider item #5, which is
the signage proposal, in concert with this request.
Mr. Bagato stated that his initial concern when reviewing the plans was
that it looked like it was for one tenant, when it should've been
designed so that each tenant should look separate.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that he had some concerns about
how unsubstantial the architecture is in general. When I look at the
roof plan it looks like the forms that appear to have a lot of depth to
them actually have no depth whatsoever. Chris Post, representative for
Anthony-Taylor Consultants, was present and stated that they tried to
characterize the overall structure of the facade in similar proportions as
the one that was approved for Staples. At the face of the tower they
have 35'-40' which provides tremendous depth to the storefront. The
smaller towers on either side carry back to the storefront.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that he's talking about the parapets
where there are lots of lines showing different parts of the parapets and
it looks like none of the different level changes in the parapet are
carried back any further than 6" or 8". Commissioner Hanson stated
that they're in the same plane. Mr. Post stated that they are in the
same plane but that part of the design, as far as how they're carried
back over the width of the structure and over the original parapet of the
existing storefront really hasn't been worked out. Mr. Post corrected
himsetf and stated that the three elements are not in the same plane.
They don't show up on the plans because they didn't have time to
change the plans after meeting with Mr. Drell. The elements will carry
back in some form but they're not sure exactly how. They will carry
back with the structure that they're attached to. They're not trying to re-
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invent the design theme or trying to be a maverick. They're trying to
come up with something that already meets the approved theme. The
previously approved elevations show two smaller tenants and they now
have one major tenant.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he has a concern with the roof plan.
He'd like to see the new plan that shows greater detail before granting
preliminary approval. Mr. Post asked if the commission would consider
applying certain conditions to an approval rather than make them come
back to the next meeting. Mr. Drell stated that it depends on how
comfortable the commission is with their understanding of what the
elevation shows. Commissioner Vuksic stated that they still have
significant design elements to resolve. Mr. Post wanted a preliminary
"nod" so that they could at least start on the interior drawings. Mr. Drell
stated that they can always start the interior drawings.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that without a floor plan it makes it very
difficult to understand what's going on. It's a massive building and it's
important to know the details. There are sections of the building where
they have no idea whaYs happening in plane. There is some concern
about the 99¢ element. The main concern isn't the big square and
shape of it, but wondered what the big rectangle is for. This is the main
architectural element for that section of the building. The sign is for the
99¢ Only and there's a massive rectangle framing it so that it all looks
like a sign. He asked the applicant if that was the intent. Mr. Post
stated that it's just to provide some relief. They have a trim detail that's
about 6" or 8" relief in the face of the tower and the sign is set in to
break up the plane so that it's not a long expanse of wall.
Commissioner Hanson stated that it appears that the length is out of
proportion of the actual sign. The sign ends up being more square-like
and the two don't relate very well. There's a lot going on on either side,
but it's just blank space. Mr. Post suggested that they could separate
the sign with the two 9's and then the "Only" and "Stores" are separated
somewhat so that they could get a more linear look, as opposed to the
square look. Commissioner Hanson suggested losing the linear look,
leave the sign the way it is and do something else with the large
rectangle. Mr. Post stated that they do have a lot of space between the
outside of each side of the sign and the end of the rectangle. It
wouldn't be a big deal to bring it in. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
they shouldn't just bring it in and not think about it anymore. Think
about what would make it work architecturally and still frame the sign
properly. Commissioner Hanson stated that it looks like a billboard.
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Mr. Post stated that they're doing two stores, but they've thought of the
whole facade as one piece. It was suggested that they give each
storefront their own identity.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson to continue the request. Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
5. CASE NO.: SA 04-42
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): DIANE NELSON, ANTHONY-
TAYLOR CONSULTANTS, 304 Enterprise Street, Escondido, CA
92029
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
business signage. 99¢ Store
LOCATION: 72-815 Highway 111, Palms to Pines Shopping Center
ZONE: PC-3
Mr. Bagato stated that the proposed sign is 116 square feet and they're
entitled to 104 square feet so they're over by 12 square feet. He
recommended that the sign be internally illuminated reverse channel
letter.
Commissioner Vuksic asked how large the sign is at Robinson's-May.
Mr. Drell stated that the tetters are approximately 5' in height. We don't
have any signage with letters larger than 5' or 6' in height.
Commissioner Hanson stated that 9' high letters would be entirely
excessive.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he has some concern about the
height of the sign with letters that are 9' in height.
Commissioner Lopez asked the applicant if there would be any
additional signage, such as a monument sign. Mr. Post stated that
they have a very small panel on the monument sign. Mr. Drell stated
that the monument sign has not been approved.
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Commissioner Hanson stated that this store is not behind something so
that it can't be seen. Even Barnes & Noble has signage that's plenty
big and it's 42" in height and they sit further back from Highway 111.
Mr. Post asked if they reduced the size of the main panel sign, could
they have additional signage perhaps on the left tower? They have a
small logo which is a lit oval can sign which could go on the face of the
tower. Mr. Drell stated that they started off with 13' letters.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he drew a sketch of the signage at 5'
in height on the building and it looked nice. It's still large and will
certainly be visible. Mr. Post suggested taking the words "only" and
"store" and separate them a little bit so that there's some space
between them.
Commissioner Hanson suggested that the applicant think about doing a
sign that's tastefully done rather than having the biggest sign possible.
Action: Commissioner Oppenheim moved, seconded by
Commissioner Hanson to continue the request to allow the applicant to
reconfigure wording with the letters not to exceed 5' in height. Motion
carried 4-0-0-2 with Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
6. CASE NO.: C 04-04
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS�: PREST-VUKSIC ARCHITECTS for
CHAPMAN & SONS, 72-624 EI Paseo, Suite B6, Palm Desert, CA
92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of a
facade enhancement of a retail building.
LOCATION: 73-740 EI Paseo
ZONE: C-1
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 3-0-1-2 with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioners Gregory and Van
Vliet absent.
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7. CASE NO.: MISC 04-20
APPLICANT�AND ADDRESS): ROBERT H. RICCIARDI, 75-090 St.
Charles Place, Suite A, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of new store
fronts to three existing buildings and adding 1,740 square feet to
buildings 1 & 2.
LOCATION: 74-990 Joni Drive
ZONE: SI
Mr. Bagato distributed photos of the existing buildings for the
commissioners to review.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that without a roof plan it was difficult to
figure out what was going on there. He asked if the parapet on the
south side was closed in the back. There was concern about the large
arched elements appearing too flat because they're so massive. He
suggested making the arches thicker. It was unclear what the double
lines are on the plans.
Bob Ricciardi, architect, was present and stated that the double lines
represent pilasters. The existing buildings are metal with metal roofs.
They're going to put a new roof over the existing roof. You won't see
the top of the roof because of the landscaping. He's working with the
City to see how much landscaping he can get around the buildings. He
also has to add handicapped parking because the buildings were built
so long ago that there are no designated handicapped parking spaces.
It would be hard to make the arched elements thicker because he's
dealing with metal buildings. Commissioner Hanson asked if he would
have trouble making them at least 2' thicker. Mr. Ricciardi stated that
he thought he would. Right now they're approximately 1' thick. He
could try to make them 1' thicker.
Commissioner Vuksic asked if the cornice detail goes all the way
around. He couldn't tell because he didn't have a roof plan. Mr.
Ricciardi stated that the cornice detail will go all the way around on
three sides. Commissioner Vuksic stated that it should go all the way
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around on four sides. Mr. Ricciardi stated that one portion is hidden
and you would never see it. Commissioner Vuksic asked if the cornice
on the arch forms will continue all the way around on four sides. Mr.
Ricciardi stated that it would.
Commissioner Hanson stated that it appears that as a car is coming
down Cook Street they would have the potential of seeing into the back
of the mechanical equipment and if it is visible, it needs to be closed
up. Mr. Ricciardi stated that he didn't think you could see into the back
of it. Commissioner Hanson stated that if you can see the equipment, it
should be closed up. Mr. Ricciardi agreed.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for approval subject to (1) arched elements 3' thick, (2) cornice
detail to continue all the way around four sides of arches, and (3) tower
on the south elevation will continue on four sides if back is visible.
Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet
absent.
8. CASE NO.: MISC 04-19
APPLICANT �AND ADDRESS): WILLIAM E. RAINEY, 44-489 Town
Center Way, #278, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of
an 18' high roof height for a single family residence.
LOCATION: 73-488 Joshua Tree Street
ZONE: R-1, 12,000
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
B. Preliminary Plans
1. CASE NO.: PP 04-07
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APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ALLAN ZYLSTRA, 12161 Firestone
Blvd., Norwalk, CA, 90650
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request approval of a
new commercial building. �
LOCATION: 73-168 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Smith stated that the old building will be demolished and replaced
with a new commercial building. The applicant was not present.
Commissioner Hanson stated that because of all the work thaYs going
to be done in the back alley, the back of the proposed building should
look as good as the front. The use of stone looks "tacked-on" versus
making it look like an element. The wrought iron is very nice. Mr.
Urbina stated that the building will house four offices, two downstairs
and two on the second floor. The applicant was out of town and would
not be able to attend.
Action: Commissioner Lopez moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson to continue the request to allow the applicant to be present.
Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet
absent.
2. CASE NO.: PP 03-23
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� GLASSTONE� INC.� 74-780 42nd
Avenue, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of a new 19,867 square foot building located on 42"d Avenue.
LOCATION: 74-780 42�d Avenue
ZONE: SI
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim to continue the case at the request of the applicant. Motion
carried 4-0-0-2 with Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
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3. CASE NO.: PP 03-19
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVID PREST, PREST-VUKSIC
ARCHITECTS, 72-624 EI Paseo, Suite B-6, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of a new two-story 31,118 square foot office building.
LOCATION: 39-850 Portola Avenue, north of Country Club Drive
ZONE: OP
Mr. Smith stated that the commission had previously approved the
single-story architectural elements. The applicant has returned with
elevations for a two-story office building which will be located on the
east side of the property, closest to Desert Willow.
Mr. Bagato stated that the building meets the 20' setback thaYs
required and meets the height limit. Staff is recommending approval.
David Prest, architect, was present stated that there will be no
equipment on the roof of the building. Commissioner Lopez asked
about the type of glass to be used for the windows. Mr. Prest stated
that it will be gray tinted glass.
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for preliminary approval. Motion carried 3-0-1-2 with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioners Gregory and Van
Vliet absent.
4. CASE NO.: PP 04-10
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� TIMOTHY DI TOMASO, P.O. Box
27427, Anaheim, CA 92809
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of a food court complex and fast food drive through.
LOCATION: 41-555 Cook Street
ZONE: FCOZ
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Mr. Smith stated that the site is located on the northeast corner of Cook
Street and Gerald Ford. Mr. Winklepleck stated that Frank Urrutia,
architect, was present to discuss any architectural issues that the
commission may have. The one concern that staff has primarily deals
with the roof-mounted equipment which may be visible coming down
over the overpass heading north on Cook Street. Mr. Drell suggested
adding a second roof over the roof-mounted equipment, like the design
that Holt Architects did in the same area. He also suggested having
site-line studies done from the overpass. Mr. Urrutia stated that the
parapets are 5'-6' in height.
Commissioner Hanson commented that the project was fun-looking, but
asked the architect to explain his thought process on the truss element.
Mr. Urrutia stated that he was trying to create a visual space for the
common area and tie the buildings together. He didn't want the
buildings to look like four little buildings so the effort was to pull
everything together with the truss element. Commissioner Hanson
stated that she loved the arched elements and the squared-off trellis
elements, but the truss element doesn't relate to the rest of the project.
Mr. Drell asked the architect if there were sign locations designated for
the tenants. Mr. Urrutia stated that he has various areas on the south
elevation for signage. There are also some opportunities for signage
on the north elevation as well.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that it's a great looking complex. He
stated some concern about the roof-mounted mechanical equipment.
Mr. Drell suggested providing a line-of-sight plan showing the view from
the overpass. Commissioner Vuksic asked Mr. Urrutia if the
mechanical equipment would be lower than the parapet. Mr. Urrutia
stated that it would be lower, more than likely. The buildings will house
small eateries such as Subway or an ice cream parlor. There's no
question that they'll have some equipment on their buildings. There's
going to be a back of the house. Generally, there will be some exhaust
fans and other equipment. The air conditioning units will be fairly small
packages so 5'-6' parapets should be sufficient to hide them.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that there are some areas along Cook
Street where the equipment could be tucked up against the parapet,
even if it's a few inches, by the time you project the inches back to
Cook Street it's going to be well above the line of sight. Mr. Urrutia
stated that they could look at how much of the roof-mounted equipment
is visible on the Mobil station, which is near the proposed site.
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Commissioner Lopez asked Mr. Urrutia how this project ties in with the
project by Jerry Williams. Mr. Urrutia stated that they have different
owners.
Ms. Hollinger indicated that she has not seen the landscape plan for
this praject.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for preliminary approval of architecture only subject to adding a
screening element, if necessary, to screen mechanical equipment from
the Cook Street off ramp. Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with Commissioners
Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
5. CASE NO.: PP 04-05
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� HOLT ARCHITECTS, 41-555 Cook
Street, Suite 1-100, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of revised roof plans for business park consisting of (5) two-story
buildings for commercial, office and industrial warehouse uses (166,00
square feet on 10.59 acres east of Cook Street at I-10).
LOCATION: 41-555 Cook Street
ZONE: PCD
Action: Commissioner Hanson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Oppenheim for approval by minute motion. Motion carried 4-0-0-2 with
Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
6. CASE NO.: PP 03-22
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS� PATEL ARCHITECTURE, 71-711 San
Jacinto Drive, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval
of revised architecture for a new office building. Oracle Plaza
LOCATION: Fred Waring Drive, east of San Pablo
ZONE: OP
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Mr. Smith stated that Nick Patel, architect, was prepared to show the
commission a power point presentation of the proposed new office
building. Mr. Bagato stated that he's been working with the applicant
for more than a month. The problem with this project involves the
widening of Fred Waring. The existing curb will move in by 6' and
Public Works is requesting 4' of right-of-way. Therefore, the building
does not meet the setback requirements.
Commissioner Hanson asked if the planter along the back wall could
be removed. The parking spaces are 18' long. Mr. Smith stated that
he only needs 6" of them to meet the 16'6" plus 2'. Conceivably, they
could pick up 5'. Mr. Drell asked if all the planters are 9' x 18'. Mr.
Patel stated that they are.
Mr. Patel stated that as far as the setbacks, it already complies. He cut
down the original building by 4' because of the expansion of Fred
Waring. It has been re-designed to meet the setback. Mr. Bagato
stated that it meets the curb now with the street setback, but it won't
meet the ultimate setback. The property line was moved by 4' because
Public Works needed 4' of right-of-way. Even now, the building doesn't
meet the 1:1 requirement. Once the curb moves, it still won't meet the
1:1 requirement. Mr. Patel stated that it meets the street setback. Mr.
Drell stated that it doesn't meet the 1:1 requirement and unfortunately
this is part of the setback requirement. 1:1 is measured from the
ultimate curb.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that the proposed building does not
look like it's been artificially stretched to be more prominent. The
proportions feel good on the building. Mr. Drell commented that an
ordinance was drafted that provided for height exceptions with certain
criteria, however, the City Council declined to adopt that ordinance.
Commissioner Hanson stated that she would rather reward somebody
who has done great architecture rather than penalize them regarding
the roof height. As members of the Architectural Review Commission,
iYs their job to reward somebody who's done great architecture. This
building supports that. While it might be taller than the ordinance
- allows, there are a lot of things going on that are going to make it
interesting so that it won't be a flat face stuck straight up against the
curb that's very uninteresting. She suggested working with the parking
spaces being shorter. Mr. Drell stated that the spaces only have to be
16'6" in length.
Commissioner Oppenheim commented that the architecture is
stunning.
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Mr. Patel stated that only certain portions of the building exceed the
height limit.
Commissioner Vuksic commented that this is setting quite an
aggressive precedent and they're going to judge whether the buildings
have enough architectural merit for a height exception. This project is
absolutely beautiful and he would approve it. The current height
ordinance is too low and does not allow substantial buildings to be
architecturally interesting.
Action: Commissioner Vuksic moved, seconded by Commissioner
Hanson for preliminary approval of architecture. Motion carried 4-0-0-2
with Commissioners Gregory and Van Vliet absent.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 1:47 p.m.
STEVE SMITH
PLANNING MANAGER
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