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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2023-09-26 err/ MINUTES PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26, 2006 1. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. II. ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 15 2 Kristi Hanson X 16 1 Chris Van Vliet X 15 2 John Vuksic X 17 Ray Lopez X 14 3 Karen Oppenheim X 17 Karel Lambell X 16 1 Also Present Phil Drell, Director, Community Development Steve Smith, Planning Manager Tony Bagato, Assistant Planner Ryan Stendell, Assistant Planner Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Action: It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner Lambell, approving the September 12, 2006 meeting minutes. Motion carried 5-0-2-0, with Commissioner Gregory and Lopez abstaining. IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: V. CASES: 1we 'rrr MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26. 2006 A. Final Drawings 1. CASE NO: SA 06-118 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): EDGAR MUNOZ/MF SIGN FACTORY, 1495 West 91nStreet #305, Upland, CA 91786. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of business signage for the Super White Cleaners. LOCATION: 73-221 Highway 111, Unit A ZONE: C-1 Mr. Stendall noted that the applicant was not present for the meeting and stated that at the last meeting the Commission had some concerns and modifications were recommended. The Commission emphasized that "Super White" should be an integral part of the signage, however the owner didn't want to do that. Mr. Stendall stated that new plans were submitted, but felt that they did not meet the intent set forth by the Commission; therefore he was sending them back for review. Commissioner Gregory asked if we could give them some guidance to help with their design. Mr. Stendall stated that the Commission, at the last meeting, gave them exact directions and allowed staff to approve it. Commissioner Van Vliet suggested not having a raceway and if they wanted one it needed to be a design that works. Commissioner Gregory stated that if they eliminate the raceway, make individual letters that are closer together, we could approve and the applicant wouldn't have to come back. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to continue to allow applicant to be present. Motion carried 7-0. G.TlanningVanine Judy\WordFiles\ARC MinuteMR060926.min,DOC Page 2 Of 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26. 2006 2. CASE NO: SA 06-132 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVE CAMPBELL c/o RALPHS, P.O. Box 54143, Los Angeles, CA 90054. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of business signage for Ralphs. LOCATION: 74-884 Country Club Drive ZONE: PC-2 Action: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Lopez, by minute motion to grant approval. Motion carried 7-0. 3. CASE NO: MISC 06-34 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): Ron Lieberman/Design Development, 28035 Dorothy Drive, Agoura Hills, CA 91301. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of exterior modifications for Cork Tree Restaurant. LOCATION: 74-950 Country Club Drive ZONE: PC Ron Lieberman, representative for Design Development presented a proposal to maintain the existing building, paint the exterior using earth tones and cosmetic modifications to the interior. Their intent is to create a more upscale category restaurant and although the restaurant is in the Las Casuelas family, it will have American cuisine. To create more of a visual flow on the Country Club side, they have proposed adding three (3) windows within the existing wall of three (3) arches, and introducing new signage and logo. The other item they proposed is to take down the arch overhang that exists over the patio area to open it up, providing more light. Commissioner Hanson stated she didn't understand the painted graphic leaves on the building. Mr. Lieberman indicated that Commission should disregard that design. They were trying to create a textured look and GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926.min.DOC Page 3 of 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26, 2006 have decided that it will be a faux finish or some form of an aged look without the leaves. Commissioner Hanson discussed the Cork Tree signage and stated that the sign should be very unique and interesting, maybe with a light from the back, to illuminate it. Mr. Lieberman stated that the sign company is working on the final design of a three- dimensional sign and would be submitting the plans separately for approval. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic, to grant approval, subject to eliminating the painted leaves on the building and submitting signage for review. Motion carried 7-0. 4. CASE NO: PP/HPD 06-13 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): KRISTI HANSON, ARCHITECT, 77-185 Painters Path, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of an 8,457 square foot single family home within the Bighorn hillside plan residential zone (HPR). LOCATION: 869 Rock River Drive ZONE: HPR Action: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Lopez, by minute motion to grant approval. Motion carried 6-0-1-0, with Commissioner Hanson abstaining. 5. CASE NO: TT 33018 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): KIRBY/PELE DEVELOPMENT, 11349 Bolas Street, Los Angeles, CA 90049 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of scupper replacement on fourteen tract homes. LOCATION: NW Corner of Portola Avenue and Frank Sinatra Drive ZONE: PR-5 G-.\Planning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926.min,DOC Page 4 of 10 MINUTES 1%W *M01 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26, 2006 Action: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Lopez, by minute motion to grant approval. Motion carried 7-0. 6. CASE NO: SA 06-135 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CALI PASTA INC., 78-450 Avenue 41, Bermuda Dunes, CA 92203 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of business signage for Cali Pasta. LOCATION: 73-575 El Paseo, Suite 2310 ZONE: C-1 Mr. Stendall stated that he reviewed the Gardens file and didn't find anything prohibiting signage facing south, however he did find discussion relative to the views adjacent to the residential areas. In his opinion, the sign is too large and should be used to attract the attention of people in the parking lot not necessarily the residents of Shadow Mountain. He indicated that the sign should come down in size and possibly go to reverse channel. Commissioner Hanson stated that the wall was very monolithic and felt that if this type of sign goes up, there will be more. As a unit, the Gardens should address some sort of wall signage program for the shop owners. Doug Wall, from Cali Pasta, Inc., addressed the issue of the view from Shadow Mountain. He stated that if you stood in the parking lot with the mature landscaping, the residents would have to look through the trees to see the sign from their homes. He agreed that the sign was large, but felt that this was the best place for the sign since Cali Pasta doesn't have any visibility in the mall. He indicated that visibility was an issue with the previous owners as well and was bad for business. Mr. Drell stated that an interesting sign that may work at this location would resemble the poster/mural painted on the back wall of Cafe Des Beaux-Arts, which communicates the character of the restaurant. GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926min,DOC Page 5 of 10 MINUTES % ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26. 2006 Commissioner Hanson suggested that a sign in this location would have to be an architecturally designed feature of the building, like the signage at Sullivan's. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to continue to allow applicant to submit modifications as discussed by Commission. Motion carried 7-0. 7. CASE NO: MISC 06-36 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STEPHEN LITTLE, 74-290 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of 18-foot roof height. LOCATION: 72-871 Tamarisk Street ZONE: PR Action: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Lopez, by minute motion to grant approval. Motion carried 7-0. B. Preliminary Plans 1. CASE NO: PP 06-11 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): STUDIO E ARCHITECTS, 2411 Second Avenue, San Diego, CA 92101. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of architecture for World Savings Bank. LOCATION: 73-051 Highway 111 ZONE: C-1 GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC MinutesWR060926.min.DOC Page 6 Of 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26. 2006 John Sheehan, Studio E Architects, demonstrated examples of careful and sensitive use of concrete masonry units and stated that there was precedence for this style of architecture here in the desert. Responding to his client's desire to have a building that has a lot of presence on the corner and be very visible, he wants to take advantage of the oblique angel of the site by pushing the building mass out. The client has requested that people be able to see into the bank, thereby being more customer friendly. To balance this request with the recognition of the afternoon sun, they would be introducing vertical fins; which would screen the sun and allow you to see in and see out. The other sun control device would be a horizontal sunshade; a trellis type feature. He described the service area that is the lower mass and made out of masonry and the higher corrugated portion of the building. He stated that their choice of colors were intended to be used as a heat sink and by holding the metal away from the actual building wall, it would allow air to circulate behind it and keep heat from radiating into the branch to reduce the overall cooling loads. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he liked the style of the building and felt that the Commission was receptive to the style. He informed Mr. Sheehan that he might have a tougher time with the Planning Commission and Council. He stated that the only criticism he had was the scale of the upper portion. Some of the examples presented were wonderful examples of post century modernism in the desert, however with modern architecture here in the desert, he couldn't think of an example that has the heavy top that was being proposed. Mr. Sheehan stated that the client requested that the building be as tall as possible. They could have introduced openings towards the top, but decided to make it a very closed unit sitting on a glass base; a kind of inversion that gets lighter as it goes up to the ramada, purposely floating the box off the ground. Commissioner Hanson stated that she liked the architecture, but agreed that the top was too full. The building would be a very imposing element and felt that they could take a few feet off the building and still get the massive look, maybe giving it a horizontal look instead of a tall look. The colors would be an issue as they are not desert colors and recommended altering the color pallet to be more desert oriented and instead of using the precision block she suggested the use of stone or GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926.min,DOC Page 7 Of 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26. 2006 block with desert colors. She stated that they should keep the aluminum storefront, but change the color and felt that it would reinforce that element even further. Mr. Sheehan addressed the issue of the building height and stated that he was responding to his client's desire to take the building to the height limit. Commissioner Hanson recommended a photo simulation of the building coming down Highway 74 and from Highway 111, since this is probably the most visible corner in the city. Commissioner Gregory asked about the roof-mounted equipment and stated that when you come down Highway 74 you would be looking at it. Lowering the roof to get a better proportion could expose the roof mounted equipment. Mr. Sheehan indicated that was correct and that the client wanted a certain volume within their banking hall. Commissioner Hanson recommended pushing the equipment to the center. Mr. Drell indicated that in order to get this approved they would have to do the photo simulation, show it on the site with landscaping and warm the colors. Commissioner Vuksic stated that they could still get their interior volume by creating an element from the light well that is higher than the outer parapet. Commissioner Lopez questioned where the roof access was. Mr. Sheehan explained that it was located on the interior for both roofs. Commissioner Lambell stated that she had a problem with viewing the renderings because it looked like a billboard and asked for a color rendering for the next presentation. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic, to grant a continuance to allow applicant to submit modifications as discussed by Commission. Motion carried 7-0. G\Planning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926.min.DOC page 8 Of 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26 2006 2. CASE NO: MISC 06-35 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TED GROULX, P.O. Box 14083, Palm Desert, CA 92255 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary approval of improvements to front and rear of property. LOCATION: 73-750 El Paseo ZONE: C-1 Ted Groulx stated that he is seeking approval to get started on improvements and presented styles of two skeleton storefronts. He indicated that he would create the storefronts then present completed plans to the Commission based on direction from a new tenant. Commissioner Vuksic asked what we could realistically expect in the future because this goes back to letting the buildings be a background for the tenant and letting the tenant express themselves. He stated that on their own, these buildings looked awful. The existing building looks better than the proposed remodel, however the proposed remodel would give the tenant an opportunity to do things to the building. He asked what would happen if a mom and pop tenant came in and has no intention or the sophistication to do something like what is being proposed. Mr. Drell indicated that this remodel is part of the fagade improvement program so there would have to be a fail-safe solution, and at the very minimum should approve the skeleton storefronts. He stated that a simple storefront would probably be the more sensible one. In terms of style the simple one is more of a productive type of design and asked the Commission if from a proportional point of view what would need to be changed. Commissioner Vuksic stated that there should be more of a difference in the height between the two storefronts with more depth. On the roof plan, the parapet comes across and zig zags in six (6) inches, so it's basically flat and has no substance to the volumes. They need to establish a little more variation to meet the forms on the front and rear and they should create some sort of assurance that we will get quality of tenant design. GAPlnnning\JnnineJudy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926.min,DOC Page 9 of 10 MINUTES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 26. 2006 Mr. Drell stated that there might need to be some sort of an awning detail. Commissioner Vuksic stated that since it is a north facing building, the tenant probably would not put up an awning unless they were required to do so. It might not be an awning, but something is needed that creates the same level of interest and quality. Commissioner Gregory stated that this request should be considered as part of a two-step process. Step one is a vanilla shell and step two would be to monitor whoever does become the retail tenant. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if it made any sense to do a two-step process since the storefront might be torn out if the tenant doesn't like what was done, then the applicant would have to start all over. Mr. Drell stated that is why the initial skeleton is pretty simple and provides for a lot of improvisations. Ideally what the applicant wants is a tenant to come in and create a design that is consistent with the character of the store; however that doesn't always work out and that is why the fail-safe solution is needed. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to grant a continuance to allow applicant to provide a roof plan showing front and rear parapets, additional architecture in parapet heights and an artist rendering of rear elevation. Motion carried 7-0. C. Miscellaneous Items None. VI. ADJOURNMENT It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 7-0. The meeting was adjourned at 1:40 p.m. 4 N L 4-4 S E SMITH PLANNING MANAGER G-\Planning\Janine Judy\Word Files\ARC Minutes\AR060926. in.DOC Page. 10 of 10