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JUNE 12, 2007
I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 9 2
Kristi Hanson X 10 1
Chris Van Vliet X 11
John Vuksic X 11
Ray Lopez X 10 1
Karel Lambell X 7 4
Nancy DeLuna X 2
Also Present
Lauri Aylaian, Director, Community Development
Tony Bagato, Acting Principal Planner
Ryan Stendell, Associate Planner
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
Spencer Knight, Landscape Manager
Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: May 22, 2007
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez, to approve the May 22, 2007 meeting minutes. Motion carried
5-0-1-1, with Commissioner Lambell abstaining and Commissioner
Gregory absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
V. CASES:
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A. Final Drawings:
1. CASE NO: C 07-01
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVID HIDALGO ARCHITECT,
INC. 316 S. 1S Avenue, Arcadia, CA 91006
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
fagade renovation to existing 10,126 square foot restaurant/retail
building.
LOCATION: 72-990 El Paseo
ZONE: PC (3) SP
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with
Commissioner Gregory absent.
2. CASE NO: RV 07-02
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TERRY ARCHER, 77-185
Michigan Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval to
allow parking of an RV behind enclosed block wall.
LOCATION: 77-185 Michigan Drive
ZONE: R-1 9,000
Mr. Bagato stated that the applicant has submitted plans for an RV
to be located on the side of his driveway and the ordinance requires
that any RV located in the front yard be significantly screened to the
greatest extent possible by a combination of walls and landscaping.
There is currently a 6-foot high block wall that was approved under
the old code standards. The applicant has indicated that he would
be installing a new gate to further screen the RV.
The Commission asked if there was an illustration of the gate
design. Mr. Bagato indicated that the drawing of the gate was all
that was available at this time. The Commission requested a gate
design be submitted for review.
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Mr. Terry Archer, applicant, explained that this was a 7-foot cab
over camper that fits over the back of his truck. When on the
ground it's just over 6.5 feet high. He explained that he had
approval from the Homeowner's Association and also had letters
from the neighbors in support.
Mr. Bagato stated that neighbors within 300 feet were notified, as
the ordinance requires and asked for comments. Ms. Linda
Dempster, neighbor, asked if this was the same location where a
large motorhome was located. The Commission explained that it
was a camper and not a motorhome. They presented the photos to
Ms. Dempster for her review. She stated that she had concerns
about a motorhome on the same street and the Commission
explained to her that this would be code issue and referred her to
Code Enforcement.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
DeLuna, to grant approval subject to submitting a gate design for staff
review. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Gregory absent.
3. CASE NO: MISC 07-11
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): NAOMI KOBRIN, 73-559 Joshua
Tree Street, Palm Desert, CA 92235
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
metal fencing material and a reduction in the required setback to
allow a gate to be 12 feet 6 inches from the curb.
LOCATION: 73-559 Joshua Tree Street
ZONE: R-1 12,000
Mr. Bagato stated that this was a request for an exception to the
wall ordinance for material and setbacks for the gate. Pictures
were provided for review.
Ms. Naomi Kobrin, applicant, stated that the photos showed a
repeat of the poured-in place wall with columns on both sides of the
gate. On the one side of the gate, she is proposing a poured-in
place wall and on the other side there would be a sleeve that would
cover the support that carries the gate back and forth. It would be
powder-coated in bronze to match the mailbox.
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Commissioner Van Vliet asked how far the poured-in place wall
sticks out past the gate. Ms. Kobrin indicated that it goes three
inches past the 5-foot gate that is setback 12 foot 3 inches from the
curb. Commissioner Hanson indicated that she liked the look of the
gate and felt that the gates improve the overall feel of the front of
the house. It is atypical material, but she liked the way it looked.
The Commission discussed the material, the poured-in place wall
and landscaping surrounding the wall.
Commissioner Hanson stated that the applicant has been smart in
her design and has thought out the materials. The cleverness of
the poured-in place concrete with the T and G finish was a great
addition and what also makes this nice is that there isn't a whole
wall in front of the property and landscaping is used to break it up.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval. Motion carried 5-0-1-1, with Commissioner
DeLuna abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent
4. CASE NO: SA 07-86
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SWAIN SIGN, INC. 1384 E 5T"
Street, Ontario, CA 91764
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
sign program; Kohl's Department Store.
LOCATION: 34-940 Monterey Avenue
ZONE: P.0 (3)
Mr. Bagato stated the proposed sign meets the standards, except
that the store is only allowed 155 square feet of sign area. The
proposal calls for 5-foot tall letters that would be over 38 feet long
and over the allowable square footage at 190 square feet. He
stated that if they reduced the letters to 4-foot high, the sign would
get down to 152 square feet, which could be approved for both sign
elevations. Mr. Bagato recommended approval of the sign with 4-
foot letters as submitted.
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Mr. Kevin Parker, sign representative, stated that this was basically
Kohl's white-faced logo and he believed that they would be willing
to reduce it down to the allowable square footage.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval with a reduction of letter size from five feet to four
feet. Motion carried 6-0-1-1, with Commissioner DeLuna abstaining and
Commissioner Gregory absent.
5. CASE NO: SA 07-63
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): FIRST TEAM REAL ESTATE,
3150 Bristol Street, Costa Mesa, CA 92637
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
new signage to replace existing signage; First Team Real Estate.
LOCATION: 72-171 Highway 111
ZONE: C-I
Mr. Bagato stated that this was a requested approval for signage,
landscaping and color.
Commissioner DeLuna asked if any change or modification had
been made to the water feature or the fountain element as
previously submitted. Ms. Cheri Pulcini, Facilities Manager, stated
that there was a change of 30 inches on the width of the columns
and it was changed symmetrically as requested by the Commission
at a previous meeting. Mr. Bagato stated that there was some
change to the columns architecturally, but they were still proposing
the same water feature.
Commissioner DeLuna asked how much water would be used. Mr.
Freeland stated that it would be a small trough. The trough is only
two feet wide by the length of the sign and the water would be set
as low as possible to keep the splash inside the trough.
Commissioner DeLuna asked why they wanted the water feature
and what it added to the sign. Mr. Freeland stated that it would be
a visual enhancement and add architectural character. Ms. Pulcini
stated that it would pump up that corner 100%.
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The Commission discussed the use of water and electrical power of
this water feature.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that when reviewing the drawings for
the fountain, the elevation didn't match the plan. The elevation
suggested some ins and outs that were not reflected in the plan
view. For example, the center portion looked like it was in front of
the pillar, yet when he looked at the plan the pillar was in front of
the center portion. Mr. Freeland indicated that it had changed per
staff's request and stated that it used to be flush and was changed
to be wider. Commissioner Vuksic once again stated that the
elevation didn't match the plan. Commissioner Van Wet stated that
because of the discrepancy, the Commission was hesitant to
approve anything.
Commission reviewed the elevations with Mr. Freeland and Mr.
Fraser McClellan, Architect. Commissioners Vuksic and Hanson
both sketched a design to explain how to correct the submitted
illustration. The Commission and representatives discussed the
sketch. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he felt that there was a
misinterpretation of what was suggested and the submittal of a plan
and elevation that didn't match. He suggested using the corrected
sketch and stated that it was what the Commission intended to tell
them.
Commissioner DeLuna still had concerns with the water feature.
Commissioner Lambell stated that the building was old and boring
and some attention should be made to that corner and felt that by
adding the sign with the water feature would pump it up.
Commissioner Hanson had concerns with the colors indicated on
the color board and felt that the building would appear striped.
Commission and representatives reviewed the colors and realized
that the colors were not correct. Representatives pointed out the
correct colors and stated they would resubmit the color board.
Commissioner Hanson made the suggestion that the whole lower
section be brown. Mr. McClellan stated that his concern was that
the whole building faced north and was all in shadow and he would
hate to darken it up. He wanted it to blend into the roof tile.
Commissioner Vuksic stated they could approve this in concept and
let staff review for final. Commissioner DeLuna asked what they
would be voting on. Commissioner Vuksic stated they would be
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voting on the colors on the building, and a fountain design with the
concept of massing it as shown on the sketch, where the central
portion is actually out further and the other portion comes into it,
and wraps on top of it with water around it.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval subject to: 1) revising sign to match the
conceptual sketch subject to staff review; 2) revise color from green to dark
brown on the top of the building; and, 3) preliminary approval of landscaping
subject to review by the Landscape Specialist. Motion carried 5-1-0-1, with
Commissioner DeLuna voting NO and Commissioner Gregory absent
6. CASE NO: PP 05-12
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): TAYLOR WOODROW HOMES,
INC., 15 Cushing, Irvine, CA 92618-4200
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
revision of roof material for Alegria unit; Spanish Walk.
LOCATION: 76-000 Frank Sinatra Drive (former Emerald Desert
site)
ZONE: R-1 M
Mr. Stendell stated that he had a request from one of the
developers within Taylor Woodrow. On one of the product types
they were using a blend of colors on the roof with a Spanish type
material that uses a boost, squish or heavy concrete with 20% in
the roof tiles. They have requested to remove the 20% and just go
with the concrete the blend.
Ms. Amy Warren, Taylor-Woodrow representative, stated that their
architect raised a concern about the aesthetics of the 20% boost.
She asked the architect why they were shown on the plans and he
stated that it was an error on their part and apparently wasn't
something that they were conditioned to do, therefore not placed on
the plans. She also stated that the roofer had concerns with the
wind and the 20% boost.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if this boost would be eliminated on
all units. Ms. Warren stated there wasn't any boost on any other
product there. She stated that they would be doing an S-tile with
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five color variations throughout the color scheme for the group.
Commissioner Hanson stated that it would look much better with
the boost. Commissioner Vuksic asked what the concern was with
the wind. Ms. Warren stated that the roofer said that in the high
wind areas they don't do the boost as much because of the wind
because there is an extra element on top of it. Commissioner Van
Vliet indicated that he had never heard of any problems here with
the boost and the wind.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to deny the requested change in roof material. Motion carried
6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Gregory absent.
7. CASE NO: MISC 07-15
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BOBBY & JANENE MILTS,
72-534 Hedgehog Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
an 18' roof.
LOCATION: 72-777 Tampico Drive
ZONE: R-1
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with
Commissioner Gregory absent.
8. CASE NO: SA 07-84
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): FORT KNOXX JEWELRY, 73-121
Country Club Suite E-2 Palm Desert, CA 92260.
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
an exception to an approved sign program.
LOCATION: 73-121 Country Club Suite E-2
ZONE: P.0 (2)
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-1-1, with
Commissioner Lambell abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
9. CASE NO: SA 07-85
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BUTTERFLY LIFE, 73-011
Country Club Drive Suite F-1, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
an exception to an approved sign program.
LOCATION: 73-011 Country Club Drive, Suite F-1
ZONE: P.0 (2)
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-1-1, with
Commissioner Lambell abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
10. CASE NO: CUP 07-07
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BEN SPERBER, 77-770 Robin
Road, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval to
allow a detached RV garage within a rear yard.
LOCATION: 77-780 Robin Road
ZONE: RE 40,000
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-1-1, with
Commissioner Lambell abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
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11. CASE NO: MISC 07-17
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PETER HARTWIG, EUROPEAN
CONSTRUCTION, 75387 Stardust Lane, Indian Wells, CA 92210
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
16' 10" roof height.
LOCATION: 44-466 San Jose Avenue
ZONE: R1
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic, to grant approval by minute motion. Motion carried 6-0-1-1, with
Commissioner Lambell abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
B. Preliminary Plans:
1. CASE NO: PP 07-04
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): OCHOA DESIGN ASSOCIATES,
73-626 Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
new commercial/industrial building; Marty's Tires Plus.
LOCATION: 73-741 Spyder Circle
ZONE: S.I
Mr. Stendell indicated that they have had preliminary meetings with
the owner and the architect regarding setback issues which have
been rectified. He stated that he liked the building and said that it
was a very industrial building in an industrial area. He spoke with
the applicant relative to the typical roof elements and extending the
parapets back. He recommended applying the 2/3 rule.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the block had a deep rake joint.
Mr. Ochoa indicated that it was a 4-inch block, exposed with a deep
rake joint. The metal on the turret that displays the logo is
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alucobond type of material and the element that looks like a tire
would be made out of metal. Commissioner Vuksic asked if they
were 8 x 8 block and Mr. Ochoa indicated they were an 8 x 16
block and scored in the middle to provide an "8 x 8" look.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that overall it looked great. He had
some concerns with some of the materials and how they would
work in certain spots. Looking at the north elevation he saw lots of
glass that was happening in a block wall. Mr. Ochoa stated that it
was a storefront glass system. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
since the wall was pretty big he wasn't sure if the glass was
recessed very far and asked if that wall would be pretty flat. Mr.
Ochoa stated that it was recessed to whatever the depth would
allow for the storefront, maybe 3 or 4 inches. Commission Vuksic
stated he was concerned with the windows that were out by the
surface of the walls that needed more punch. Mr. Ochoa stated
that the reveal would be about 5 inches and they could create a
double fake wall to set that back to give it more depth.
Commissioner Vuksic discussed the parapets and returning them
back 2/3 of the width of the element. Commissioner Van Vliet
asked if there were evaporative coolers on the roof. Mr. Ochoa
stated that they were on the inside of the building. Commissioner
Lopez asked how they accessed the roof and Mr. Stendell stated
that there was a roof hatch inside the building.
Commissioner Hanson was wondered about a situation where you
have block and a plaster thing hanging in the same plane and
asked if there was a way they could make it overlap, fake it or set it
back. Mr. Ochoa sketched his intentions and the Commission
stated that that would be better.
Mr. Stendell asked the Commission how they felt about the green
and grey colors being proposed. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if
it was grey block and Mr. Ochoa stated that it was precision gray
block. Mr. Stendell stated that the green occurs over the elements
that were popping out.
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Commissioner Lopez asked about the landscape plans. Mr. Ochoa
stated that plans were being revised. Commissioner Vuksic asked
if the metal overhangs were a dark brown color. Mr. Ochoa stated
they would probably be the same color as the alucobond, a silver
color.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval subject to: 1) parapets returning back 2/3 of the
width of the element; 2) recess windows to the greatest extent possible; 3)
revise pop-out element per discussion; and, 4) landscape review by
Landscape Specialist. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Gregory
absent.
2. CASE NO: PP 06-18
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PATRICK YANG, 529 E. Valley
Blvd., Suite 228-A, San Gabriel, CA 91776
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request preliminary
approval of revised plans for a four (4) story hotel, 88-unit hotel with
restaurant and related amenities; Candlewood Hotel.
LOCATION: 75-144 Gerald Ford Drive
ZONE: PCD
Mr. Stendell presented revised drawings for Candlewood Hotel. He
felt that they did a good job regarding Commission's comments to
simplify the restaurant building. They had good offsets and depth.
He also felt that they backed up what they showed on elevation.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that he liked where they were going
with the hotel. However, he had a concern with the hotel regarding
the stairwell and the kind of detail they were using there. At the
entry, he saw a large flat area around the windows above the third
and fourth floor and suggested that they take the lavender colored
element and thicken that up and come in closer to those windows,
so they really look recessed and punched in there. The scales of
the windows were ok, but he didn't like the flat around them. He
discussed his concerns with the representative.
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Commissioner Vuksic stated that the restaurant looked much
better, but that the elevation appeared too flat. He felt that some of
the column elements needed to be thickened up around the glass
so they would look like they could actually support the huge
masses above them. He suggested recessing the windows more
into those surfaces.
Commissioner Vuksic pointed out that the Commission did not have
an actual color board and were reviewing copies of colors. He had
concerns with the grey and the light beige and what they would
actually look like. The Commission requested a color board.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that on a section of the restaurant
there was three foot high equipment on the roof, and asked if that
was realistic and asked wouldn't they have five-foot high exhaust
fans up there. Mr. Yang stated that at this time they didn't know
what would be there yet, but indicated that there would be a
parapet to hide that type of equipment. Commissioner Vuksic
reminded Mr. Yang that there would be slope on the roof and some
of the equipment would grow, and to keep in mind that the
equipment had to be below the level of the parapet. Currently the
parapet was four feet high.
Commissioner Lopez asked how they were doing on parking. Mr.
Stendell stated that they were adequately parked. Commissioner
Lopez stated that around the kitchen area on the site plan, it looked
like they were squeezing parking areas in. It would be nice not to
have those there in order to do more landscaping because this was
crying out for more landscaping. Mr. Stendell stated that they have
had a couple of meetings with the landscape designer who has
been promising the most landscaping that they could possibly fit in.
Commissioner Lopez noticed that there wasn't any landscape
buffer around the pool area where the asphalt, fencing and decking
was. He suggested adjusting the spa to put in more landscaping.
Mr. Ray Martin, Landscape Designer stated that he was working on
the drawings and would put a planter bed in that area. Mr. Stendell
stated that at one point they had two and three-foot sliver planter
beds and we suggested that they remove them. It didn't make
sense to have these tiny planter beds, but now that we have refined
it more there is room where we can get more of them in.
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Mr. Stendell asked Mr. Yang if the satellite dish would remain on
the ground and stated that they would have to utilize that space for
landscaping and one more parking space. Mr. Yang indicated that
it would be relocated to the roof.
Commissioner Lopez asked if they were okay with the retention
areas and asked if it would be drained into a retention basin.
Commission reviewed the plans and Mr. Stendell stated that they
would be keeping it on site and the last he heard they may have
had some kind of a deal to drain a little into the storm drain in the
center of the street, because this is a very flat piece of property. He
doesn't know the status of that and was in the initial stage with the
engineer. He said they do have retention detention all over the site.
The Commission discussed the roof plan and trash enclosures.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval subject to staff review; and, 1) work with staff to
increase detail on hotel stairwells; 2) thicken up lavender covered element
on the hotel and come in closer to the windows to add more depth; 3)
thicken up the column elements around glass on the restaurant and recess
windows to the greatest extent possible; 4) parapet heights equal to or
higher than roof mounted equipment; 5) extend planter bed on the fireplace
elevation; 6) relocate satellite dish to roof to create additional landscaping
and parking; 7) submittal of color board; and 8) landscape review by the
Landscape Specialist. Motion carried 5-0-1-1, with Commissioner DeLuna
abstaining and Commissioner Gregory absent.
C. Miscellaneous Items:
Mr. Spencer Knight, Landscape Manager discussed concerns regarding
the limitations of the high-density development in terms of landscaping,
utility infringement and ADA requirements.
He stated that, due to a significant encroachment on the minimal
landscape area that is in high-density developments, we couldn't provide
the level of aesthetic value in our landscapes that the city has set in place,
and that landscape integrity could not be maintained because of small
planting areas. He also stated that the urban forest tree canopy has been
decreased due to the size of trees used. Utilities infringing on planter
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beds add another challenge to successful landscape design. Regarding
the ADA requirements, more landscape area is being lost in order to get
length of ramps for correct pitch and roll to provide accessibility for
wheelchair users.
Mr. Knight stated that the size of the buildings could be reduced in order to
keep landscape integrity. Ms. Lauri Aylaian, Director, Community
Development, stated that the City has been lenient with developers in
allowing them to go forward in their plan check permitting without having
their landscape approved. She mentioned that staff is now starting to take
a firmer stance and to force developers to submit landscape designs for
approval prior to pulling permits. She asked the Commission for their
support in requiring developers to submit their utility and landscape plans
at the design stage.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner Van Wet, to
adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Gregory absent.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:20 p.m.
YAN STENDELL
ASSOCIATE PLANNER
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