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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008-12-09 *awl ��•�� CITY OF PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION • MINUTES December 9, 2008 I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. II. ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 19 4 Kristi Hanson X 17 6 Chris Van Vliet X 23 John Vuksic X 21 2 Karel Lambell X 21 2 Nancy DeLuna X 21 2 Pam Touschner X 11 3 Also Present Lauri Aylaian, Director Tony Bagato, Principal Planner Renee Schrader, Associate Planner Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 25, 2008 Action: It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to approve the November 25, 2008 meeting minutes with minor changes. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent. IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS V. CASES: ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES December 9, 2008 Commissioner DeLuna asked if the applicant would consider changing the layout of the sign. Mr. Vaughn stated that the applicant wanted to have it read across and didn't want it to go too high. Commissioner Gregory was concerned about the suggestion of the split face block at the base and asked if there was split face block used anywhere else on the project. He was concerned because right below it was some form of sectional block material and now they are shifting gears and going with a different material; there is no theme carried through as far as selection of materials at the base of the sign. Mr. Vaughn stated that they could use a cantilevered stone on the base of the monument sign and have some symmetry there. Cantilevered block would be on one side and on the other side there would be an open area. Commissioner Gregory asked if he could go with a material that approximates the building material. Mr. Vaughn stated that the background of the sign could be the color of the building. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the sign sits on top of the retaining wall. Mr. Vaughn stated that the proposed sign would be in front of the trees set back approximately eight to ten feet from the retaining wall with the overall height of the wall being four foot two inches. The Commission reviewed and discussed the setbacks and the height of the sign. Commissioner Gregory stated that he didn't have a problem with the sign as proposed, but he felt that the sign could be enhanced considerably. He stated that the lettering could be a lot more attractive, creating a much more interesting and appealing signage entry to the project. Mr. Vaughn stated that the applicant was worried about going with a unique font style making it too hard to read as people drive by. The Commission discussed the different font styles that could be used and also suggested enhancing with landscape in keeping with the sign. Ms. Caroline Halquvic, applicant, stated that they will have someone come in to replace and enhance the landscaping. Ms. Hollinger, Landscape Specialist stated that they would have to submit a landscape and irrigation plan for any changes. GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\2008\AR081209min.doc Page 3 of 13 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES December 9, 2008 3. CASE NO: SA 08-462 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BEST SIGNS, INC/Gillian Cross, 1550 Gene Autry Trail, Palm Springs, CA 92264 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of signage; Tilted Kilt. LOCATION: 72-191 Highway 111 ZONE: P.C. 4 Mr. Swartz presented photos of four proposed signs and indicated their locations. The Commission reviewed and was concerned with an existing cabinet under a round vent. Mr. Jim Cross, sign representative, stated that this is a functional vent and necessary for ventilation and explained that the sign would not be flush with the vent to allow for full ventilation. He stated that the signs mounted on the wall were contoured cabinets with push through acrylic letters. They couldn't get LED electric there as individual illuminated letters so they tried their best to make sure that the signs didn't look like boxes. Mr. Cross discussed the logo and explained that they tried to make it as readable as possible with individual letters in those areas, but he didn't think it would be a good sign and that it would need the background for it to be visible. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he was okay with the sign being done as a can because it is so stylized, but he didn't like the rectangular boxes on signs C & D. Commissioner Van Wet asked if there were other wall signs on the back sides of that complex. Mr. Bagato stated that most of the businesses have signs on the street and the back sides of the walls. Commissioner Lambell stated that she was okay with the locations of the signs and liked signs A & B better than signs C & D and asked if the signs could be done with "Tilted Kilt" cut out. Mr. Cross stated that it could be done but at an additional expense to the client. He would have to ask his client to see if they are willing to do that. Mr. Cross stated that they could make it so all that would light up would be "Tilted Kilt" and the "Pub and Eatery". He also said that perhaps it would be less of an issue at night if you couldn't see the white box and during the day if would be okay if it was painted the same color as the background. Commissioner Lambell GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word FilesVA Minutes\2008WR081209min.doc Page 5 of 13 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES December 9, 2008 Commissioner Lambell amended the motion. Approval of signs A & B in location and design; sign C & D at seven feet wide are approved size wise; all signs A through D should be contoured cabinets; painted a complimentary color to match the background color of the building; and submit to staff for review and approval. ACTION: It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner Hanson to grant approval of signs A & B in location and design; sign C & D at seven feet wide are approved size wise; all signs A through D should be contoured cabinets; painted a complimentary color to match the background color of building; submit to staff for review and approval. Motion carried 6-0- 0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent. 4. CASE NO: SA 08-449 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): GREG HOHN, West Wind Consulting, Inc. 8941 Atlanta Ave #244, Huntington Beach, CA 92646 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of signage; Chevron. LOCATION: 74-478 Highway 111 ZONE: C.1. Ms. Grisa presented the staff report and summarized the project. The applicant is proposing two monument signs amongst an entire signage package to remove the old Mobile text and install new Chevron text and logos. The first monument sign would be located near the entrance to the gas station located off of Highway 111 and the other off of Deep Canyon Road. These two new Chevron monument signs would replace the existing Mobil monuments that are currently in disrepair. Staff recommends approval of the entire signage package with the following conditions: The proposed monument signs illustrate a simple, straight-forward design. Staff is pleased with the signs as designed and believes they are appropriate for the gas station, with the exception of changes as noted below. The height of the monument signs should be decreased. These signs would be placed in plain visible sight replacing existing signage and no physical constraints exist that would require more height. Both signs would be located just inside property lines outside of the public right-of-way. Staff recommends G:\PlanningWanine Judy\Word Files\N Minutes\2008AR081209min.doc Page 7 of 13 *Iwo S"Ol ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES December 9, 2008 5. CASE NO: SA 08-461 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGNTECH ELECTRICAL ADVERTISING, 4444 Federal Blvd. San Diego, CA 92102 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of signage; Bank of America. LOCATION: 73-321 Highway 111 ZONE: CA Ms. Grisa presented the staff report and summarized the project. The applicant is proposing one monument sign amongst an entire signage package to remove the old Countrywide text and install new Bank of America Home Loans text and logos. The monument sign as proposed illustrates a simple, clean formed design. Staff approves of the design and size as shown. This sign would be located just inside the property line outside of the public right-of- way. The two other signs consist of name replacement information which sizes and form are acceptable to staff. The external lighting is the one concern that staff does not recommend. Existing signage was previously internally lit so power would be available for the new signage. Although, the lighting fixtures are small, the quantity of fixtures is undetermined at this time and unnecessarily clutters the building fagade on the front and back. Staff recommends approval of the entire signage package with the exception as noted above with wall signage individually lit. She discussed the monument design with the applicant and suggested that it match the building design, but indicated that there wasn't a lot of architectural elements to take from the building. She asked for the Commission's opinion. The Commission discussed the red signs and Mr. Steve Terrault, representative, stated that the signs were registered trademark colors. Commissioner DeLuna asked how staff felt about having the red signs. Mr. Bagato stated that typically with a monument sign staff is not opposed to having a red background, but staff is opposed to having the whole box light up. Staff prefers to see maybe a red metal face with individual letters routed out so only the "Bank of America" lights up then the red becomes a non-illuminated background. Commissioner DeLuna asked if only the letters would be illuminated at night and Mr. Bagato stated that right now everything is illuminated and Commissioner DeLuna stated that it GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\A MinutesMMAR0812Wmin.doc Page 9 of 13 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES December 9, 2008 channel letters or decorative light fixtures; light intensity to be reviewed by staff; and landscape to be reviewed around monument sign. ACTION: It was moved by Commissioner Gregory and seconded by Commissioner Lambell to grant approval of signs subject to 1) black vinyl on monument sign to hide background so only letters and logo show at night; 2) non- illuminated red on monument sign; 3) illuminated channel letters or decorative light fixtures; 4) light intensity to be reviewed by staff; and 5) landscape to be reviewed around monument sign. Motion 4-2-0-1, with Commissioners Vuksic and DeLuna voting NO and Commissioner Touschner absent. NOTE: Staff requested that an additional item be added to the Agenda. Commission concurred. It was moved by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner Gregory, adding Case No. P 06-01, C/Z 06-02 to the agenda. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent. 6. CASE NO: P 06-01, C/Z 06-02 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SINATRA & COOK PROJECT, LLC. 828 North Ogden Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90046 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of paint color change; The Vineyards. LOCATION: 37-755 Cook (Northwest corner of Cook Street and Frank Sinatra ZONE: PR-5 Mr. Swartz summarized the project and stated that the Vineyards are currently under construction and was originally approved with each building being painted with three colors. He stated that some of the buildings have already been painted one color and photos were presented. He explained that the owner would like to paint each of the buildings one main color with only the doors and trim being painted a different color; color samples were presented. The owner feels that by having one solid color on the buildings and the trim and doors being a different color that it would be enough because the building has wrought iron as an accent. Staff was GAPIanningWanineJudy\WordRes\AMinutes\200MR081209min.doc Page 11 of 13 14 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES December 9, 2008 C. Miscellaneous Items: None VI. ADJOURNMENT It was moved by Commissioner Lambell, seconded by Commissioner DeLuna to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent. The meeting was adjourned at 1:50 p.m. TONY BAGATO PRINCIPAL PLANNER GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word FilesW Minutes\2008WR081209min.doc Page 13 of 13