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ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION
MINUTES
May 13, 2008
I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 9
Kristi Hanson X 6 3
Chris Van Vliet X 9
John Vuksic X 8 1
Karel Lambell X $ �
Nancy DeLuna X 8 1
Also Present
Lauri Aylaian, Director
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Renee Schrader, Associate Planner
Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner
Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: April 22, 2008
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner
Vuksic,, to approve the April 22, 2008 meeting minutes. Motion carried
5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Hanson absent.
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
V. CASES:
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A. Final Drawings:
1. CASE NO: SA 08-170
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGN-A-RAMA, 41-945
Boardwalk, Suite L, Palm Desert, CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
sign program; Desert Arches Business Center.
LOCATION: 75-178 Gerald Ford, Bldg A& B
ZONE: PCD
Mr. Swartz presented and summarized the project. He stated that
the tenant relocated the monument sign and lowered the tenant
signs.
The Sign-A-Rama representative indicated that the signs were
reduced from 24 inches to 12 inches. Commissioner Van Vliet
expressed that the Commission didn't want a lot of signs facing the
freeway, but didn't mind that there was some identification signs
next to the doors. The rep stated that because the signs have been
moved down considerably they are now low enough that they won't
be as noticeable from the freeway.
Commissioner Gregory stated that the signs should be oriented
towards someone in their car or truck and Commissioner Van Vliet
stated that they had discussed at the previous meeting of getting it
down to the small door going in. The Commission discussed
placing the signs between the man door and the roll up door. They
also expressed that the signs were still too big. Commissioner
Vuksic stated that he felt that the signs need to come down by the
man door because their intent is for identification for vehicles back
there not for signage. The Commission discussed the issue of
having tons of signage on the backs of the buildings near the
freeway in other communities.
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Commissioner Vuksic expressed his concern regarding the color
choices for the signs. He felt that that would just make it worse with
the tenants choosing their colors for their logos and lettering
because then there would be signs that were blue or red or yellow.
The Commission stated that the signs need to come down to eye
level for a truck; below the top of the door right adjacent to the man
door. Commissioner Gregory stated that the sign would become
difficult to read and very small if it goes between the man door and
the roll up door. The Commission discussed where to place the
location of the signs. They felt that the signs should not be above
the man door because there will be a lot of different sized signs for
this building. The rep expressed his concern that it wouldn't leave
a lot of room for signage. He stated that the signs are done to code
and the tenants were happy with the signs and felt that they
wouldn't be read well from the freeway.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that there was about five feet of wall
between the man door and the overhead door. So if the signs were
four feet wide he felt that that was a pretty good width to place a
sign that a customer could read from their vehicle when next to the
building. Commissioner Lambell stated that the signs are not
meant to attract people from the freeway; they are meant to identify
the tenant space. The representative stated that his client would
like to push for a vote now and if they have to resubmit they will.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner DeLuna and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, granted approval subject to relocating tenant signs to the side of
the man door and constrained to fit into the space; six inches on either
side no higher than the man door. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 , with
Commissioner Hanson absent.
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2. CASE NO: MISC 08-184
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): JOE VILLANUEVA, 643 Port
Dunbar, Chula Vista, CA 91913
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
roof height between 15 feet and 18 feet.
LOCATION: 72-925 Shadow Mountain Drive
ZONE: R1 20,000
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant an approval by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0-0-1,
with Commissioner Hanson absent.
3. CASE NO: MISC 08-200
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): D.R. HORTON, 2280 Wardlow
Circle #100, Corona, CA 92880
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to
remove vinyl panels around air conditioner condensers.
LOCATION: 261 Paseo Gregario
ZONE: P.R.
Mr. Swartz presented and summarized the project. He presented
photos to the Commission stating that the A/C condensers were in
a bad location and are being screened by vinyl panels. The
applicant wants to remove the panels and replace them with
landscaping; small lower shrubs and other plants. The Building
Department's new building codes states that plants and shrubs
have to be a certain feet away from A/C condensers or metal. Staff
feels that the little shrubs won't conceal the condensers. Currently
they have vines growing on the panels and Staff feels that they
should leave it as is and hopefully in time the vines will cover the
panels. Staff is asking the Commission for other suggestions to
screen the panels without using landscape.
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Mr. Bagato stated that currently the condensers are enclosed with
landscaping on the vinyl. The applicant's preferred solution is no
vinyl around it at all, and the alternative solution would be to put
vinyl only on the ends with low shrub landscaping in front. Mr.
Swartz mentioned that pedestrians would pass the condensers as
they are walking along the path leading to their front doors and
even with low shrubs they would see the condensers.
Commissioner DeLuna asked what the objection was to the current
screening. Ms. Amy Moore, with D.R. Horton, stated that because
of the required separation between the unit and the fencing it ended
up coming out so far that you feel a little claustrophobic as you are
walking along the path. They wanted to see if there was something
that was a little more aesthetically pleasing. She mentioned that
they are working with their mechanical engineer to see if there was
any way to place at least one or two of the units on the ends of the
future phases.
Commissioner DeLuna stated her concern that bushes grow and
have quite a maintenance issue, as well as being an eye sore if
they die and are not replaced right away. She felt that the vines
growing up the sides of the vinyl would satisfy the builder's concern
about aesthetics and not encroach into where the units would be.
Ms. Moore stated that the plants that are currently on it are on the
ends because the panels in front of the units have to be removable
to be able to work on them.
The Commission discussed maintenance of the units and the
placement of the vinyl and the landscaping. It was suggested to
replace the vinyl with wrought iron or something more creative that
had a sleeve system.
Ms. Moore asked if they relocated the units to the ends of the
buildings where they are out of the paseos would they be able to
entertain not having the screening around them in areas where
there is an abundance of landscaping. The Commission stated that
they would have to return for a review of the proposed locations
and solutions.
Ms. Hollinger asked if this was for the existing phase and Ms.
Moore stated that it would apply to future phases because
unfortunately they can't move the units that were already in place.
She was hopeful that the engineer could come up with a way to
move them.
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner
DeLuna, to grant a continuance subject to: 1) checking with mechanical
engineer on relocating condensers on future phases; 2) painting vinyl
screening a warmer color; or 3) using wrought iron to screen condensers.
Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Hanson absent.
4. CASE NO: MISC 08-205
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PETE CARLSON'S GOLF &
TENNIS
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
a fa�ade enhancement.
LOCATION: 73-741 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Ms. Schrader presented and summarized the project. She stated
that this project is a maintenance issue not a fa�ade enhancement
and that the applicant proposes to refurbish the existing rooflines
and paint. Surface treatments would include the possible
application of stucco over the renewed wood, or corrugated metal
on the roof fascia. Design recommendations would allow the
applicant to be informed of the best and most appropriate
maintenance and repair solution. She presented sample photos of
stucco covered fascia and a project board illustrating the choices
and the existing conditions for review.
Mr. Chuck Topolian, Construction Zone, stated that they were trying
to clean up this location and wanted to know what direction to go in
order to solve this issue. The reason they presented the project
board was to set up a few examples on how it could be dealt with.
He discussed several methods of how they would refurbish and
repair the building that could be cost effective for the owner and the
City would get a cleaned up building. He wanted to submit a
couple alternatives to the Commission and see what would be
acceptable before they go out and create a price and final draft of
this nightmare that the City has been looking at. He stated that he
could clean up the building exactly the way it is and not change a
whole lot. He wanted to get some kind of idea of what the
Commission is looking for then he could probably come up with
something to bring back to ARC.
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Commissioner Vuksic stated that he was glad that Mr. Topolian
was involved with this design and mentioned that the Commission
was concerned with the last submittal. Even though it was
interesting it had the potential to be disastrous if it wasn't detailed
out really well. Mr. Topolian stated there was a lot of vagueness to
it, although it was there in concept and could have been a pretty
picture. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the horizontal corrugated
metal is an interesting idea and felt that the vertical wouldn't work
because it would look like a corrugated metal screen. He pointed
out that the building has modern lines and thought that plastering
the eaves would be good by creating a thin wafer rather than the
having the exposed joists. He thought that creating some kind of
raceway to encase the wiring in metal would work as long as it was
done architecturally. Mr. Topolian stated that there were ways to
clean this building up and it would just be a matter of trying to make
it look a lot better than it currently does. He thought there wasn't a
lot they could do about the storefront property, but maybe they
could fix the rest of it.
The Commission discussed the attempt to modify the building in
terms of access points or windows.
Commissioner Gregory stated that the Commission was looking for
an integrated design approach. He suggested having an architect
work with Mr. Topolian to address relatively easy means of making
it work for everyone and present it as a whole. Mr. Topolian
pointed out that the Commission would ultimately see an architect's
rendering of what is going on, but what they were doing for this
submittal was testing the water to see what the Commission
wanted so they wouldn't have the same thing happen like the last
submittal.
Ms. Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development, stated that
Staff has had conversations with Pete Carlson and the other
owner's representative on the other side and Staff has consistently
held out for making it a meaningful renovation and really doing the
project right. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be consensus
among the building owners to do that. Our Code Department has
been trying to enforce citations because the owners are not
maintaining the property. The owners will do what is necessary to
maintain the properties, but there is not a consensus with everyone
to come forward, hire an architect, and design a whole fa�ade
enhancement program.
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Mr. Allan Bixen, representative for the building owners, stated that
Mr. Carlson represents the interior portion of the building and two
other clients own the rest of the property. He stated that he has
been coming here for three years now wanting to do something
with this building. Wanting to take advantage of the fa�ade
enhancement program they put something together, but the
previous architect came up with some ideas that were not
acceptable and the project dwindled. Mr. Pete Carlson, one of the
owners has not wanted to make the financial investment to go
along with the fa�ade enhancement program; which the other two
owners were willing to do. Mr. Bixen stated that they were trying to
do something amiable that would satisfy Mr. Carlson and the City
that would bring the building back to its original state. In our early
meetings with Staff we discussed the possibility of doing some
restoration. Unfortunately Mr. Carlson went out and hired a painter
and started painting the building without talking with the owners
first. Mr. Bixen indicated that he had the painting stopped and
would now like to submit some great ideas from Mr. Topolian on
how best to restore the building. They are now looking for direction
from the Commission regarding materials, color choice, and
suggestions on how they can accomplish the upgrade.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that a way to do it cost effectively is to
preserve the modern lines of the building and maybe restore it, but
also enhance it in mid century motif.
The Commission and the applicant discussed possible solutions to
restore the building. Commissioner Van Vliet asked that the
applicant submit an integrated design or rough sketches for staff
review.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant a continuance subject to: 1) restoring and enhancing in a
mid-century modern motif; 2) plastering eaves to create a thin wafer
instead of exposing joists; 3) additional work on the ends; 4) create
raceway or other mitigation to conceal existing exposed wiring; 5)
submittal of an integrated design or rough sketches for staff review.
Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Hanson absent.
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NOTE:
Staff requested that an additional item be added to the Agenda. Commission
concurred. It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, adding Case No. MISC 08-215 to the agenda. Motion carried 5-0-0-1,
with Commissioner Hanson absent.
1. CASE NO:
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): OMRI GO MED, 73-675 Highway
111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to paint
existing stone on building the color of white.
LOCATION: 73-675 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Swartz presented photos of this project and stated that staff
doesn't want to see the rock painted and asked the Commission if
they would be opposed to having the rock plastered and painted
white.
Mr. Omri Siklai, owner, gave the Commission a little history on how
he opened this restaurant and stated how very old and neglected
the building was. He mentioned that all the buildings in that location
need to be rebuilt and stated that the corporation that owns that
complex, DelRod Inc., had major plans to rebuild the complex, but
that has been placed on hold. Mr. Siklai stated that this is a good
restaurant, but the location is very difficult. The approach to the
restaurant is Highway 111, but the approach wall is very narrow
and small. The space they are talking about painting is small,
because 70% of the faCade that faces Highway 111 is window. He
indicated that he could stucco the rock, but now he would have to
convince Mr. Rodriquez, the owner to stucco it or end up doing the
work himself and spending additional money to complete. He felt
painting that small area would accommodate the Mediterranean
feel of the restaurant and work well with the modern sign being
placed there.
Commissioner DeLuna stated that she had a problem with the color
white. Mr. Siklai mentioned that since the restaurant was a
Mediterranean restaurant the color white has an ocean front feel of
white-washed buildings in Greece or Italy or around the
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Mediterranean Ocean and works with the theme of the restaurant.
He suggested that he could tone down the color making it a little
less white, but expressed that it was appropriate for the restaurant
and an additional help for the success of the restaurant. He
mentioned that he has several employees and is responsible for
their well-being and believes that this will be a big help for the
restaurant to succeed without hurting anyone. This will be a very
small space making it easy for people to identify the restaurant as
they are driving by.
Commissioner DeLuna stated that the rest of the center doesn't
lend itself to white. She understands that he is trying to get visibility
for his business and would like the business to succeed, but the
Commission has to look at the entire area and she didn't see white
as being something that enhances architecturally or visually and
that it would stand out. He asked why it would stand out.
Commissioner DeLuna stated that it was just too bright. Mr. Siklai
stated that that was the point. He wanted people to recognize it as
a new restaurant; to make it successful so he can pay the revenues
and the taxes.
Commissioner Gregory explained that the City of Palm Desert has
rules and one of them has been that pure white has been very
much discouraged. He stated that the Commission wasn't saying
that he couldn't paint it white but suggested warming up the white.
Mr. Siklai stated that he would bring in three off white color
samples. Commissioner Gregory suggested something along the
line of a sack finish using a burlap sack and mortar mix and rubbing
it over the rocks to fill in the gaps; ending up with a very lumpy
interesting look and then painting that.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner DeLuna and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant a continuance subject to: 1) a sack finish with a stucco
appearance on the rocks; 2) submittal of warmer color chips for staff
approval; and, 3) site visit by staff to review a section of the wall. Motion
carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Hanson absent.
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B. Preliminary Plans:
1. CASE NO: DA/PP/CUP 08-50
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): BERNARD INVESTMENT
GROUP INC., 3991 MacArthur Blvd. #340, Newport Beach, CA
92660
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Preliminary
approval to develop and construct 20 studio senior citizen
apartments.
LOCATION: 73-582 Catalina Way
ZONE: R3 SO
Mr. Swartz presented the project and stated that the applicant was
present to explain the changes made since the previous meeting.
Mr. Ken Bernard, owner, stated that they have tried to address the
Commission's concerns from the previous meeting. On the rear
patios they put a slanted roof that would also match the roof above
allowing five feet of coverage. They added additional punch outs
and explained that each unit has a tremendous amount of sheer.
He informed the Commission that after checking with their engineer
they were unable to penetrate the sheer wall. Wherever there are
punch outs they will be putting in either a large 16 x 16 piece of
slate or travertine stone that will add additional color. They have
added additional pop outs where the green is and different stucco
types; smooth, sprayed, raked, and pebbled. Also where the green
is there would be six inch pop outs with a slant to make it a little
more contemporary.
Mr. Bernard stated that at the previous meeting the Commission
had concerns with the air conditioning units requesting that they fit
within the parapets. He indicated that they found a ductless heat
pump unit that is only eight inches high. The actual size is 8 inches
high x 30 inches deep x 24 inches wide and can be laid horizontally
on the roof. They wanted to keep from putting condensers down
below because of the noise and trying to hide them and found this
ductless air conditioning and heating system.
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The Commission discussed the ductless system. Mr. Bernard
stated that there would be two units for each apartment.
Commissioner Vuksic asked what type of base this unit required.
Mr. Bernard answered that it would be a 2 x 2 angle iron base. He
also stated that it was a heat pump system and instead of having a
split system where you have a furnace with cooling coils and a fan
this is all encased in a 8 inch high x 24 inch deep x 24 inch wide
ceiling mounted system.
Commissioner DeLuna complimented Mr. Bernard on his attention
to detail and stated that it made a huge difference from what was
submitted the first time. She asked if there were amenities offered
with this project, like a manager's office and an activity pool. Mr.
Bernard stated that there wasn't an onsite manager's office or a
pool, but there was a BBQ area and a sitting area. Commissioner
DeLuna suggested having a circuit training walkway around the
exterior edge available to the tenants to avoid having them walk
right through the driveway after being dropped off by a senior
vehicle. Mr. Bernard believed that they could do that because they
have five feet available to them with this project. Ms. Lauri Aylaian,
Director of Community Development stated that by doing that they
would lose five feet of landscaping around the perimeter. Mr. Felipe
Gonzalez, Design Manager, stated that they would have to check
with the landscape specialist. Mr. Bernard stated that that was one
of the issues that they had on the Santa Rosa project, but Building
and Safety indicated that they do a sidewalk on the exterior
perimeter so the tenants wouldn't have to come up through the
center.
Mr. Bagato stated that a meeting will be scheduled with Public
Works, Building and Safety, Fire and Mr. Bernard because there
were issues with the dual driveways and the placement of a fire
hydrant. The issue of the circuit walkway could be discussed at
that time as well as the loss of landscape. The Commission
discussed the two single loaded parking areas and making it more
efficient.
Commissioner DeLuna stated that she would like to see some type
of an activity pool and some sort of a meandering pathway
throughout the project so the tenants would have some sort of
activity. Mr. Bernard stated that the complex is about 200 feet from
the Joslyn Senior Center and the Catalina Gardens. Ms. Aylaian
stated that in reference to amenities we would get more involved if
this was going to be owned and operated by the City, but for private
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developers coming in and proposing new projects, the Architectural
Review Commission (ARC) would take a look at the aesthetics and
architecture. If there were amenities that needed to be addressed it
would be a Planning Commission issue. So the focus at ARC would
be more on the architecture.
Commissioner Lambell stated that with these current changes this
is a much more interesting looking building than the previous
submittal. She asked what the horizontal green area was. Mr.
Bernard stated that was the new rake look because they were
trying to have different textures to give it more definition; raked,
sprayed, smooth and pebbled. The green is also a pop out coming
out six inches and the different colors will delineate the three
dimensional aspect to it along with each unit being set back five
feet from the other.
Commissioner Gregory asked if the windows were set in so they
weren't flush with the building. Mr. Bernard answered that they
provided a six by around the window for them to pop out all the way
around.
Commissioner Vuksic had concerns with the depth represented on
the floor plan, the different plaster textures, different planes and the
columns. He wanted to state for the record that this will be a real
problem with marrying all these materials and thought they will be
making decisions in the field just to get it done He felt that they will
end up with pretty odd relationships with the materials.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that unless it is drawn on the plans
it is not going to happen in the field. Commissioner Vuksic stated
that it was approvable but felt that it was poorly detailed. Mr.
Bagato asked if those were details that they would see on
construction drawings. Commissioner Vuksic stated that thEy could
check the drawings and point these items out on the construction
drawings but right now it looks like they are not sure what the
answers are even in the design drawings. He explained that he
has seen this many times where the decisions are being made in
the field by the framer and the subs and the project ends up being
not what you would expect. Commissioner Van Vliet had concerns
with the veneer and the two inch aluminum fry reglet and stated
that those were the kind of details that needed to be addressed
now and not in the field.
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Commissioner Gregory stated that the applicant has done an
unusually good job with coming back with an approved plan
pursuant to the Commission's request and suggested that this be
continued subject to bringing back material samples, and to show
some of the details that the Commission can feel comfortable with
before moving forward. Mr. Bernard stated that he didn't realize
that at this stage they needed such detail, but he informed the
Commission that the construction drawings would include all the
detail that was being requested. Mr. Bagato stated that construction
drawing details aside, the floor plan should reflect how the building
will come together.
Commissioner Vuksic expressed to Mr. Bernard that he follow
through on what they were representing on the floor plan and really
make sure how they are marrying all these materials together. The
floor plan should reflect the changes in the plane so the
Commission can see that they thought about it and made decisions
about it. Mr. Bernard stated that at this stage they were trying to be
conceptual. Commissioner Gregory stated that it was easier to
have any misunderstandings clarified now so that when they go into
working drawings hopefully iYs a rubber stamp at that point.
Commissioner Gregory asked the Commission if the building
design in terms of a preliminary submittal was okay. The
Commission agreed that it was. Commissioner Vuksic stated that
he was okay with it going to working drawings and felt that the
Commission voiced their concerns that the applicant needed to
work out the details. He informed the applicant to be aware of that
when he is making their working drawing submittal so they follow
through on this design that they so obviously worked very hard on.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Hanson and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant preliminary approval subject to the submittal of a site plan,
materials board, landscape plans, construction plans and clarification of
details. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Hanson absent.
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C. Miscellaneous Items:
None
VI. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell, seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet to
adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Hanson absent.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:10 p.m.
TONY BAGATO
PRINCIPAL PLANNER
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