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July 14, 2009
I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 12 1
Chris Van Vliet X 12 1
John Vuksic X 11 2
Karel Lambell X 13
Pam Touschner X 10 3
Allan Levin X 8 1
Also Present
Lauri Aylaian, Director
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
Hart Ponder, Code Compliance Manager
Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: June 23, 2009
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner
Levin, to approve the June 23, 2009 meeting minutes. Motion carried
5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Vuksic absent.
V. CASES:
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A. Final Drawings:
1. CASE NO: SA 09-273
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): HK LANE, 72-895 Fred Waring
Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
a monument signs; HK Lane
LOCATION: 72-895 Fred Waring Drive
ZONE: OP
Mr. Swartz presented the project and stated that this proposal for a
monument sign was continued from the last meeting. At that time,
Staff recommended removing one course of block allowing the
applicant to modify the plans. He presented renderings showing
the modifications.
The Commission discussed the open white space on the sign and
Commissioner Lambell wanted the representative to understand
that the slogan, "Real Estate Has a New Address" shall not appear
on the sign now or after the fact. Mr. John Cross, Best Signs stated
that the client is aware of that. Commissioner Lambell stated that
the revised sign is vastly improved from the previous submittal.
Mr. Swartz asked if the applicant ever wanted to could they add
their address in the white space. The Commission felt that it would
give that white strip purpose. Commissioner Gregory suggested
that they bring that back for staff review.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Touschner and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner
Vuksic absent.
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2. CASE NO: SA 09-301
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): KARL VASQUEZ, 72-180
Highway 111, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
a monument sign.
LOCATION: 72-180 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Swartz presented the project and summarized the staff report.
The applicant is proposing a new monument sign at the corner of
Highway 111 and Park View Drive. Currently, there are no
monument signs located at this site. The monument sign has been
designed to emulate the front fagade roof line, color, and stucco
texture. The double-sided monument sign also incorporates colored
rock as the base. The sign, as proposed, will be internally
illuminated, six feet in height by nine feet. The appearance and
overall form tie in well to the building in regards to their roof line,
stucco texture, and color. The monument sign is required to be
twelve feet away from the face of curb to be out of the public right-
of-way along Park View Drive and seven feet from Highway 111.
The monument sign is located on a corner and the sign must meet
the 40-foot line of sight triangle. Existing landscaping around the
building would need to remain after construction or be replaced with
similar landscaping.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked where the sign would be located.
Mr. Swartz said that with the right of way issue they don't have the
actual placement as of yet. He referred to the photo and pointed
out the proposed location.
Commissioner Gregory suggested that John Sofonio, M.D., F.A.C.S
be a little bolder. Mr. Don Swindell, Paragon Signs, stated that he
did several different designs, but the clients decided to go with their
own design. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the stone on the sign
matched any stone on the building. Mr. Swartz stated that the
building was just stucco. The Commission discussed the base and
height of the sign. Commissioner Lambell stated that the sign will
sink down a bit and with the 40-foot line of sight issue the sign will
be tucked very close to the building. Commissioner Van Vliet
thought that the location should be determined prior to approval.
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Commissioner Touschner asked about the material for the sign.
Mr. Swindell stated that the base was masonry with rock facing and
the monument itself is an internally illuminated double-sided
monument sign with a stucco finish. Commissioner Touschner
asked what would be illuminated and Mr. Swindell indicated that
only the letters would be illuminated; routed out and pushed
through acrylic faces. Commissioner Touschner felt there was a
little fussiness to it and there wasn't a section through it. The
Commission and the applicant discussed the size and location of
the sign. Commissioner Touschner suggested that the applicant
submit color samples that match the building and a site plan
showing the location of the sign.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Touschner and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval subject to: 1) submittal of color samples to staff;
2) submittal of a site plan showing the 40-foot line of site and not within the
right-of-way; 3) submittal of a landscape plan approved by the Landscape
Specialist; and 4) removal of existing signage. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with
Commissioner Vuksic absent.
3. CASE NO: SA 09-062
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): COAST SIGN INC., 1500 W.
Embassy Street, Anaheim, CA 92802
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
wall and monument signage; Hilton Homewood Suites.
LOCATION: 36-999 Cook Street
ZONE: PCD, FCOZ
Mr. Bagato presented this project and stated that this proposal for
wall signage was continued from a previous meeting. He
presented current photos and elevations to the Commission.
A representative from Hilton was in attendance and he mentioned
that two of the signs were previously approved and have not
changed. They made an attempt of recreating the elevation to
make it a little more legible. He mentioned that the color was not
correct and would submit that at a later date. He indicated that
Sign A has been reduced down and centered and have omitted the
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monument sign for now and will come back at a later date once
they figure out the design. They will also be doing some
reconfiguration of the parking lot to accommodate the sign to be in
a better location.
Commissioner Gregory asked the Commission if they felt that the
applicant has responded to the concerns from the last meeting.
Commissioner Lambell pointed out that Sign A & C still do not
match and reminded the Commission that they had requested that
these two signs match in corporate logo design to create less
clutter, to create a better fit. The representative said that is the way
Hilton does those signs and stated that there are other hotels with
two different formats. Their feeling is the lower to the ground has
the brass layout and the one higher in the air has the Hilton with the
oval cabinet. Commissioner Touschner felt that it was better that it
is smaller and centered and given the logo and shape that they had
to work with this is the best that one could ask for.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Levin and seconded by Commissioner
Touschner, to grant approval of wall signs only. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with
Commissioner Vuksic absent.
4. CASE NO: CU 09-144
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ROYAL STREET
COMMUNICATIONS CA LLC, 350 Commerce, Suite 200, Irvine,
CA 92602
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval to
install seven panel antennas on the rooftop of Palm Desert Urgent
Care.
LOCATION: 73-345 Hwy 111
ZONE: CA.S.P.
Mr. Swartz presented this project and stated that the applicant,
Royal Street Communications is requesting to add seven panel
antennas on the roof top of an existing building. The existing building
is at 27 feet and the tallest point of the antennas will be at 36 feet.
Palm Desert Municipal Code Chapter 25.104 states when installing
on top of a building, no commercial antennae shall be greater than
fifty percent over the building height. Currently there are existing
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antennas on the roof top that are screened by a transparent wall will
be stucco and painted to match the existing building. The applicant is
proposing to screen the antennas the same way. Mr. Swartz stated
that this will be going to Planning Commission for a Conditional Use
Permit.
Commissioner Levin asked for a definition of a transparent wall.
Ms. Veronica Arvizu, representative explained that it's transparent
to the RF omissions that are going through it; it is not visually
transparent. The material is almost like foam in between stucco
paneling and the panel is stucco and painted to match the wall.
Commissioner Gregory felt that architecturally there was a lot of
offensive looking stuff up on the roof and the transparent walls
would just call attention to it. He asked how the code reads. Mr.
Bagato said the code states that the antennas have to be
architecturally integrated into the building. Commissioner Gregory
asked if it was similar to the wall there now and Mr. Swartz stated
that it was. The Commission reviewed and discussed the existing
wall and antennas.
Ms. Arvizu stated that the screen wall is only on the rear of the
property which is the parking lot. She stated that they are adding a
small antenna on the front facing Highway 111 but it will be on the
parapet and the color will match the existing. On the back they are
proposing the parapet to extend symmetrically on each side.
Commissioner Levin stated that these are not like the typical cell
panels they see, these look more rectangular shaped. Ms. Arvizu
stated that the antennas on the existing site may look circular but
they are actually panel antennas. She explained that they wanted
to do the same thing that is there now and if they put these behind
the screen walls you wouldn't be able to see them. Commissioner
Van Vliet asked if the equipment sticks up above the screen walls.
Ms. Arvizu said yes and stated that they mirrored what is there now
on the rear side of the property. The Commission and the applicant
discussed visibility from Highway 111 and the rear of the property
and ways to conceal the antennas.
Commissioner Touschner noticed that there is existing antennas up
there now that are not enclosed and asked if the new ones would
be enclosed. Commissioner Gregory stated that if no one is to look
at antennas, then it should all be screened. If not then you create a
funny look on the building. Ms. Arvizu said that when she was up
on roof doing the site walk she was trying to find a way to conceal
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the existing ones as well, but the problem is they didn't do it
symmetrically.
Mr. Bagato asked if they could review other buildings in the area for
a better design. Ms. Arvizu stated that they in most cases they try
to co-locate as much as possible and they chose this building
because of the existing antennas. Mr. Bagato stated that co-
locating on monopalms or pine trees is a little different than trying to
co-locate on a building with exposed antennas. Ms. Arvizu stated
that the buildings around that area are similar in height but they
were not interested and a couple of the rooftops were too high and
could not fit the equipment on the roof.
Commissioner Touschner suggested combining them all into the
center of the building similar to a chimney stack or putting them on
a monopole. Ms. Arvizu said that the center of the building has a
split roof so they wouldn't be able to put it in the middle. The
Commission reviewed the plans and discussed the location. The
Commission suggested screening the antennas as a mass close to
the center of the building. Commissioner Touschner asked if there
was any way to enclose the two antennas on the fronts. Ms. Arvizu
stated that she would investigate.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner
Levin to continue Case CUP 09-144 subject to screening as a mass towards
the center of the building. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner
Vuksic absent.
5. CASE NO: CUP 09-14
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN
CHURCH, 42-695 Washington Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
an addition to the first floor and the addition of a new second floor
to the existing multi-purpose room; St. John's Lutheran Church.
LOCATION: 42-695 Washington Street
ZONE: OP
Mr. Swartz presented this project and stated that at the previous
meeting there was discussion that the building was too boxy
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architecturally. He presented an aerial of the church and the
surroundings areas for the Commission's review. The applicant is
now planning on demolishing the office building and combining the
office and the multi-purpose room. He presented the material board
for review and stated that they will be incorporating stone on the
new building as well as a the roof.
Commissioner Lambell stated that from a visual standpoint the new
building is so far improved and it looks fabulous. By incorporating
the office in with the multi-purpose room it gives the big new boxy
building some relief, with different planes. She thought the
stepping of the roofline was great and the sense of entry now
makes sense.
Mr. Mark Valentino, architect said that they made the portion that
faces the Learning Tree single story to lessen the impact and
stated that is where the AC equipment was located.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked how much parapet they had. Mr.
Valentino stated that they have at least five feet. He also stated
that they are also incorporating solar panels on the upper portion of
the roof.
Commissioner Gregory mentioned the windows being set in to
create more relief on the elevation and asked if they would be doing
that. Mr. Valentino stated that they are somewhat and stated that
they will be doubling the wall on the inside as well as a stone ledge
that they brought out a bit.
Commissioner Lambell asked if there was stone on the existing
sanctuary building. Mr. Swartz stated that there isn't any stone on
the existing building and is confined to the new building only. They
reviewed the tiles for the roof and Mr. Swartz stated that if they ever
want to remodel the sanctuary they could incorporate the tile and
stone.
Commissioner Van Wet asked about the roof and the tall wall that
goes by the solar panels. Mr. Valentino stated that there will be a
90 degree return on the hip. The Commission reviewed and
discussed the plans.
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Commissioner Touschner had concerns with three different window
sill details. Mr. Valentino stated that he didn't want them to be the
same. Commissioner Touschner suggested that the architect
submit a section through the window sill so she could understand it.
She also asked about the purpose of the light sconces.
She talked about sustainability and felt that lights on buildings
should have a purpose other than just to decorate. She felt that
this wasn't a sustainable approach. It makes sense if they are way
finding, but up high she asked them to question that.
Commissioner Gregory suggested that they revisit the lighting
locations and the types of the lighting.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Touschner and seconded by Commissioner
Levin to grant approval subject to: 1) revisiting location and style of lighting;
and 2) windows being inset. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner
Vuksic absent.
6. CASE NO: PP 07-13/CUP 07-16/(HTE 07-63)
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CRAIG SMITH, FOUNTAINHEAD
INDIO, 3636 Birch Street Suite 270, Newport Beach, CA 92660
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
construction drawings; Fountain Head/Tire Store.
LOCATION: 78-018 Country Club Drive
ZONE: PC-2
The Commission reviewed the construction drawings and asked
that the evaporative units are hidden. Mr. Richard Finkle, Architect
stated that the unit will be hidden.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Touschner and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval of construction drawings as submitted. Motion
carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Vuksic absent.
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B. Preliminary Plans:
1. CASE NO: MISC 09-018
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): CASEY'S RESTAURANT, 42455
Washington Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Conceptual
design review; Casey's Restaurant.
LOCATION: 42455 Washington Street
ZONE: OP
Mr. Bagato presented the conceptual design for review and stated
that the Commission can give feedback but they would not be
making a motion to approve because staff was waiting for the new
standards for the Water Quality Management Plan (WQMP). This
plan must be approved before there are any discretionary
approvals. At this point, there is no water quality plan so staff told
the applicant that they could bring the plans to ARC and get the
Commissioner's feedback. Once we have the WQMP approved
they can come back for formal preliminary approval.
Mr. Bagato stated that this project is an old site that
Redevelopment owns and trying to enhance the site. They are
looking at removing square footage of the existing building, redoing
the parking lot to add more spaces, adding in more landscaping to
get more trees in the parking lot, and other landscape materials to
soften the asphalt. They will be removing some walls, the existing
monument sign, redesigning the overall site, and the restaurant.
Mr. Reuel Young, Architect pointed out the changes that they will
be making to the building. They are leaving the building as it is
without any changes to the building except to remove a non-
conforming add-on, removing the gable roof extension, and
returning the existing roof to a simple gable roof. They are
reconfiguring the entire site and introducing a property line that
separates this property from a western property that will eventually
be a fire station. Their approach to this was to leave this as a ranch
style building. With the removal of the gable roof they have to add
structure to hold up the extension so they added fake outriggers on
the left hand side and one on the rear. He explained that they are
re-hardscaping with decorative paving and the island is broken up
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into tree planters to allow the sheet flow in one direction to a ribbon
gutter and underground storage of storm water. There will be a
path of travel for emergency vehicles, block walls along the
perimeter are interrupted so that trees are placed between so they
don't have any conflict between overhangs of the front of cars and
trunks of trees. The trees wrap around the frontage on both sides.
The parking has been increased in number by nineteen spaces.
Some of those spaces are golf carts so they are able to meet the
code requirement of number of spaces for the use. They are
proposing alumawood to screen the equipment in the back that
follows the pitch of the roof. Around the back of the building is
another piece of equipment which will be screened by a vertical
trellis covered with vines to obscure from ground level and above.
They plan to remove and replace the water damaged fascia and
sheet metal around the outside, leaving the rest and overlaying with
hardy plank. He explained the locations of all lighting and the
landscape has been reviewed by the Landscape Specialists.
Commissioner Touschner liked that they are keeping a lot of what
is there by playing off all the layers and materials. She is surprised
that the lights that are not more ranch style and felt that there was
something better they could find. She liked the playfulness of the
screening and thought that the stacking aspect, the Lincoln log
style, is actually quite nice. She's not convinced yet that she likes
the angled piece of it and felt that it wasn't enough. It either needs
to be big and bold or toned down. She said that it just seems like
it's not enough because you are only getting that angle on two
sides not four sides. Mr. Young respectfully disagreed.
Commissioner Touschner said that is okay and she wasn't sure that
a part of it is more of the drawing because there is a lot of tone on
tone and the drawings are very vanilla in many ways.
Commissioner Touschner asked if the roof was white. Mr. Young
answered that it was and said that they didn't want the screening of
the equipment it to look clumsy up on the roof. Commissioner
Touschner and Mr. Young discussed the roof. Mr. Young said he
could see pitching it so that it is artificially pitched out.
Commissioner Touschner asked about the front door and Mr.
Young stated that they are keeping it. Commissioner Touschner
said that she didn't care for the door and felt that it didn't do the
remodel justice and suggested they look at the color or stain. Mr.
Young stated that they could take a look at that.
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Mr. Young said that the remodel was intended to be unremarkable.
Their goal was intended to be a soft solution to something that is
generally harsh. Commissioner Touschner stated that she thought
they were doing that with the materials and now it is just the
refinement of the shape.
Commissioner Levin asked about the property line running down
the middle of the driveway. Mr. Bagato said that this will be a
shared driveway into the fire department. Commissioner Levin
asked that they submit an updated parcel map.
Commissioner Gregory asked why the walls were located where
they are instead of being shoved over so the trees go on the stripes
as opposed to the reverse. He stated that typically they plant trees
on stripes to avoid potential contact with bumpers. He thought that
it might be better to shift it over half a space. Mr. Young said that
he would submit this request to the Landscape Specialist.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked what the roof material was. Mr.
Young indicated that it is snow coated over with gravel and tar.
ACTION:
Plans reviewed for conceptual design review only. No action was taken.
C. Miscellaneous Items:
1. NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Discussion of a
moratorium on the Recreational Vehicle permit approval process.
Mr. Bagato stated that at the last meeting there was a discussion to
place a moratorium on approvals of Recreational Vehicles (RV)
while in the process of updating the ordinance. He said that the
Planning Commission was informed and they were similarly
concerned and noticed a difference between Palm Desert Country
Club (PDCC) and South Palm Desert. He stated that people
already have the RVs on their property so the problem is how we
would handle the applications during this process. He thought that
once the property owner is cited and the moratorium is in place
staff would have to develop a list of applications that would be
approved/denied after the moratorium has ended.
Commissioner Van Vliet didn't know what the moratorium would
really accomplish other than stopping the applications from coming
through. Mr. Bagato said that it would stop the approvals until there
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is a new code because you don't want to approve something where
you might not like it once the standards have changed.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that the ARC is really tight on their
ability to approve these RVs and most are denied.
Commissioner Gregory stated that it would be so much better to
have some guidelines to assist them in this process. He also
thought it would be a good idea to have a list during the moratorium
phase and approve or deny them once the moratorium is lifted and
the code ordinance has been changed. Having a RV is a rare
situation that works as far as substantial screening.
Mr. Frank Taylor, resident of PDCC stated that the lots in the south
end of Palm Desert are pretty large and the ordinance addresses
space issues. On the larger lots you can put the RVs way back on
the sides and even in the backyard with proper screening.
However, the majority of lots in the PDCC are only 6,000 square
feet and the lots just can't handle the RVs.
Mr. Hart Ponder, Code Compliance Manager stated that there are
things that have been approved in the past that would not be
approved now. We do need some sort of consistence
interpretation. The visual impact has been very problematic.
Commissioner Levin asked if someone sold their house and moved
out can the new owner put his boat where the old boat was. Ms.
Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development stated that
screening for a utility trailer is not necessarily acceptable screening
for a RV.
Commissioner Lambell wanted to verify that the ARC can
recommend a moratorium and asked if it has to go to Planning.
Ms. Aylaian stated that the Planning Commission did not take
official action since it was not on the agenda, but they seemed to
agree that it was problematic. Commissioner Levin asked if the
recommendation would then go directly to City Council. Ms.
Aylaian said that it would go to City Council. She explained that the
City Council has already directed staff to revise the ordinance and
bring it forward for consideration. That process is ongoing and will
take several months to complete. If we ask the Council for a
moratorium and they pass it that would mean that staff would not
be bringing cases to the ARC until we have our new ordinance in
place. If there were code citations, we would have to talk with the
attorneys to find out if we could give the applicant an extended
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period of time to address this while the moratorium was in place or
if they would be required to move their RV from the premises and
store it elsewhere. It means that for the next several months until
we have a new ordinance in place, ARC either continues to deal
with them as they come forward, approve them if it is appropriate,
deny them if not, or get a couple months hiatus if the City Council
approves a moratorium.
Commissioner Gregory said that he is inclined to go for the hiatus
simply because it is a difficult subject and difficult for the
Commissioner's to be consistent. He was concerned that if they
were to vote in a particular way on a certain situation and when the
new ordinance comes into effect we have created a situation where
the person would appeal. It might be better to give it a rest until we
have some real guidelines and the Commission will be able to do a
better job. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it made sense but it
would only make sense if we allow people to have a grace period
on their RVs because somebody might have something perfectly
legitimate that they could get approved on a big lot. Mr. Bagato
stated there are some cases that staff can approve over the
counter and the ones that staff can't approve go through ARC. Mr.
Ponder stated that he hoped they don't suspend the current
ordinance while this is being researched. Things build up and
people use it to bring in other things besides RVs that may not be
appropriate. He said that a lot of jurisdictions require that RVs go
to a storage facility. Ms. Aylaian stated that it is possible that the
City Council may after considering everything will take a look at the
existing ordinance and decide that it is okay with the way it is.
Commissioner Levin asked if it is a 90-day moratorium what
happens to somebody that gets cited during that period. Ms.
Aylaian stated that staff would have to check with the attorney.
Commissioner Levin stated that the application be pended and not
acted on during that time while waiting to get direction from City
Council. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that is the only fair way
because we are removing the approval process from them and it
doesn't seem fair.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner Levin,
to recommend that City Council adopt a moratorium on approvals of Recreational
Vehicle permits while new standards are being researched and possible adoption
of new ordinance. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Vuksic absent.
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V1. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Touschner, seconded by Commissioner Gregory
to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-1, with Commissioner Vuksic absent.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:25 p.m.
TONY BAGATO
PRINCIPAL PLANNER
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