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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2009-07-28 �_•�� CITY OF PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 I. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. II. ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 12 1 Chris Van Vliet X 12 1 John Vuksic X 12 1 Karel Lambell X 13 Pam Touschner X 10 3 Allan Levin X 7 2 Also Present Lauri Aylaian, Director Tony Bagato, Principal Planner Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist Hart Ponder, Code Compliance Manager Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant II1. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS Ms. Jean Martin, residing at 44276 San Jose, Palm Desert, California, is in attendance regarding the residence at 44277 Portola. The property owner at this address, Mr. Otto Holta is requesting a permit for a six patient assisted living facility, which is R-1 property. This building is presently under construction and at this point has completely boxed her in. She explained that she can no longer see sky or anything beyond her patio. The first door of the remodeled home faces directly into her patio and two other doors face directly into her back yard and now her privacy is gone. She asked if the Commission had reviewed this project. ARCHITECTURAL REIN COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 Ms. Grisa stated that this specific project was not reviewed by the Architectural Review Commission (ARC) because it complied with all the standards of the zone. Mr. Bagato stated that anyone can do a single family addition as long as it meets certain requirements and is approved over the counter. Ms. Martin stated that Mr. Holta did a tremendous amount of landfill. He brought in monster trucks to fill dirt, not dump trucks. Her side of the wall is about five and a half feet and she can see everybody walking on the other side of the wall from shoulders up because he raised the elevation to build this. She felt that since this will be a six patient facility it is no longer considered a single family development as there will be patients and care-givers. Mr. Bagato informed the Commission that Ms. Martin and staff are meeting later to discuss this issue and explained that this is not something that the ARC looked at and it is not treated any different than a single family home. He stated that Mr. Holta is licensed through the state and they allow care of up to six people for senior care, drug, or alcohol rehabilitation in a single family home. Ms. Martin asked if it was allowed even if it has a high impact on the neighborhood because it completely blocks their view of anything. She stated that she has lived in this house since 1960 and hoped in retirement that she would finally get out into her yard and do some gardening. She doesn't even open her shutters anymore and stated that is an absolute disgrace. Commissioner Gregory felt that the ARC was not the right group to help her and said that staff could assist her. He asked if Mr. Holta was doing things that were okay but are impacting Ms. Martin's life does she have any protection even though it is legal. Ms. Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development said that if it is completely within the zoning requirements then no. Essentially it is the right of the individual property owner to develop within the zoning standards. Ms. Martin felt that she doesn't come into consideration at all. Ms. Aylaian said that as long as Mr. Holta is operating within the development standards for his zone and as long as Ms. Martin is operating within the development standards for her zone then neither one of gets to direct what the other does with their property. Mr. Bagato reminded Ms. Martin of their meeting later in the day. IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes for the July 14, 2009 meeting will be reviewed and approved at the next meeting. V. CASES: GAPIanningWanine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\2009\AR090728min.doc Page 2 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL Rlt"EW COMMISSION r...E MINUTES July 28, 2009 A. Final Drawings: 1. CASE NO: MISC 04-297 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SOREN SAMUELSON, 74259 Candlewood Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to add a carport and entry tower to existing parcel. LOCATION: 74259 Candlewood Street ZONE: R-3 (3) Mr. Swartz presented the project and summarized the staff report. He stated that this project is on the corner of Candlewood and Abronia Trail and the code allows for older homes to have a carport from 20 feet from the face of curb. He presented a site plan, materials and photos of the home and stated that this was noticed and asked if there was anyone in attendance in favor of or in opposition. None was noted. Commissioner Van Vliet asked if this was a garage conversion. Mr. Swartz stated that it was. Commissioner Vuksic asked if there was an issue with the setback. Mr. Swartz stated that the code allows the carport at 20 feet from the face of curb. The Commission reviewed and discussed the project. Mr. Bagato stated that the code encourages older dwelling units to be able to rehab the space and provide more room and bring it to ARC to be reviewed. Commissioner Vuksic asked about the materials. Mr. Wendell Veith, Architect stated that it would be plain concrete block that will be painted because he has other elements he is putting in a wall across the front of the house and was trying to make it as simple as possible to get the contrast with colors rather than with materials. Commissioner Vuksic asked what material was being used for the two supporting beams. Mr. Veith stated that they probably would be glulams and the underside of the carport will be stucco. He stated that they would keep the existing wood rafters with a wood fascia but on the other side of the carport it would be stucco. Commissioner Vuksic asked how he was connecting the glulams to the rafters. Mr. Veith answered that there will be a six by six post inside the pilaster. The pilasters are a decoration and not a WPlanningWanine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\200\AR0W728min.doc Page 3 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REVN COMMISSION ``"'i MINUTES July 28, 2009 structural element. Commissioner Vuksic asked if there would be any exposed connectors and Mr. Veith stated they basically would be covered with stucco. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the connectors coming up out of the block columns out to the glulams should be knife-plated so they don't have a Simpson connector sitting up there. Mr. Veith said that the wood beam will be sitting on a six by six so they still could do a connector there. Commissioner Touschner said that there isn't a pilaster there and asked what it would be sitting on as it comes in to connect to the building. Mr. Veith said he would put a column in the building wall and cut it into the wall and re-plaster it. Commissioner Touschner stated that architecturally they picked the right element however there is a HVAC unit on the roof which seemed odd because they are celebrating the entrance and doing this pop up but not do anything to hide the unit. Mr. Veith said that they could put an enclosure around the unit and tie it in architecturally. The Commission discussed the size of the unit and the enclosure. The Commission discussed the column materials and the entry way. They indicated that the drawings were not drawn correctly and it doesn't look proportionate. They also discussed the overhangs and felt there were some odd relationships in the plan that may look odd when completed. Commissioner Vuksic hoped that they think about that so they will have a substantial looking entry tower that doesn't have cutoff eaves and thin walls. Commissioner Vuksic stated that they could approve this with the concerns regarding the detailing of the entry tower and that ARC reserves the right to look at it in the working drawings and make the applicant change it if the Commission feels that it's going to look odd ACTION: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic and seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to approve Case MISC 04-297 subject to: 1) submitting working drawings and detail of entry tower; and 2) screening of HVAC equipment. Motion carried 4-1-0-1, with Commissioner Van Vliet voting NO and Commissioner Levin absent. GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\200"R090728min.doc Page 4 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL RIEW COMMISSION -*Awe MINUTES July 28, 2009 2. CASE NO: SA 09-316 APPLICANT JAND ADDRESS): CHAPMAN'S FINE MENSWEAR 73-740 El Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of new awning and signage; Chapman's Fine Menswear. LOCATION: 73-740 El Paseo ZONE: C-1 SP Ms. Grisa presented this project and stated the request consists of adding one new awning with the text Chapman's across the front and to change out one small awning to the east to match the new color and shape. Currently, there is not an awning over the main entrance to the store. The proposed request would be to install a new black awning with the text Chapman's sewn into the black fabric with a light box behind for illumination at night. The form underneath the awning would be curved rather than slanted. A smaller red awning does exist to the east of the main entrance. This awning would be replaced to match the adjacent black fabric and new curved awning above the main entrance. No signage or illumination is proposed on the smaller awning. Both awnings blend well with the design and architecture of the building. The shape will change from a typical slanted awning to one that is curvilinear in form. Staff understands that the portion of the building with the red slanted awnings that will remain will become a new tenant space to be sublet by the building owner. The black awning color and curved form will help differentiate one business from the other in a building that was originally one. She informed the Commission that due to an emergency the sign representative was not in attendance. Ms. Grisa stated that staff would only recommend that any internal braces are not seen from the side views as one walks down El Paseo in either direction. Commissioner Touschner said that if these awnings are painted black and the frame is black then it will all disappear and that would help. The Commission discussed the light box and said that it would have to run all the way across because that will be supporting the awning on the side walls. She said that as long as the underside and the side coming up are dark then it would blend away. If the box went all the way up to the frame you wouldn't get a little shelf and it would be perceived as one element. Mr. Vuksic said that the box didn't have to go end to end because then there would be a GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\20MAR090728min.doc Page 5 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REVIV COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 mass at the end of the curved awning. Commissioner Touschner said that you wouldn't see that because the awning goes in between the building. Commissioner Touschner stated that this is a typical detail and is not matching some of the stuff on the front but it begs you to ask what the connections look like. Commissioner Gregory stated that all hardware should be discreetly hidden. Commissioner Touschner made a motion for approval with the following comments, that all underside brackets or any connections are neatly done and are concealed, that the underside of the canopy especially the one you are walking under has the light piece continuous from wall to wall, and that it is all painted out black to blend with the canopy with no shelf on top of the light box. Mr. Vuksic stated that they should be neatly done but not necessarily concealed. Most awnings don't have concealed connections, but you can definitely tell the difference with the ones that have some quality control to them. Commissioner Gregory stated that it should then say neatly done as opposed to concealed. Mr. Vuksic asked how that is policed and Commissioner Van Vliet stated that staff would review the details. Commissioner Touschner revised her motion ACTION: It was moved by Commissioner Touschner and seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet, to continue Case SA 09-316 subject to: 1) all underside brackets & connectors neatly installed; 2) underside of canopy with light piece to be continuous from wall to wall and painted out black to blend with canopy; 3) no shelf on light box; and 4) submitting installation shop drawings for canopy. Motion carried 4-0-1-1, with Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Levin absent. 3. CASE NO: MISC 09-288 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): GEORGE PEJOVIC, JR., 74-237 Old Prospector Trail. Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval to build a carport in the front yard. LOCATION: 74-237 Old Prospector Trail ZONE: R1-10,000 GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\2009\AR090728min.doc Page 6 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL R /IEW COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 The applicant is requesting to build a carport in the front yard of the existing residence where there is currently not an existing garage. The first submitted drawing illustrates the interior space that was likely a garage previously and was at some time converted to living space. Neither the City of Palm Desert nor the County of Riverside has records of permits for such a conversion. The carport would be designed to replicate a trellis at the top of the structure with stucco columns designed and painted to match the existing columns at the front of the house. The trellis feature above would be painted to match the fascia of the existing house. Overall dimensions of the carport are 16-10" across, 19'- 6-1/2" deep, and 10'— 1/2" high. The structure would be held up by 4" x 4" posts and wood framed to create a 10" x 10" column. Under Chapter 25.16.090C, R1 Single- Family Residential District, City code states, "In order to encourage rehabilitation of older dwelling units and to provide shaded parking for vehicles, the architectural review commission may approve well- designed carport structures with a minimum setback of twenty feet to be measured from the curb face to the front edge of the carport structure." Staff recommends approval of the proposed carport design with the conditions that the height of the overall structure is lowered to be more in keeping with the style of the existing ranch home and the garage is legally converted. Staff would require that both permits be pulled simultaneously with building finals approved upon completion of both the conversion and the construction of the carport. Mr. George Pejovic, applicant stated that he purchased the home in April and the garage was already enclosed. He said that he basically needs a carport because the sun is so brutal on his family and the vehicle. He stated that the carport will be of quality construction, freestanding and will match the facing of the existing house. He asked about the approval of the garage. Ms. Grisa explained that he will have to pull a permit for the garage to be legally converted because it is not on file that it is permitted. Even though he didn't do the changes someone else did and they didn't pull a permit to legally convert it. She explained that the applicant would have to pull a permit from Building and Safety and they will send out an inspector to verify items that were done; electrical being one of the biggest issues. Commissioner Vuksic had concerns with this from an aesthetic level and then from a construction level. He noticed that they are using 2 x 10s and 2 x 8s to built the carport and was concerned with how that will hold up over time. He felt that the 2 x 10s should G:\PlanningWanine JudyMord Files\A Minutes\2009 AR0W728min.doc Page 7 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REV N COMMISSION WSW MINUTES July 28, 2009 be 3 1/8 thick glulam beams and the 2 x 8 trellis members should be 3 x 3 or even glulams as well. He was mostly concerned with the height of it and it would look odd and expressed that it needed to be in line with the eave. He noticed that the column detail is different on the left elevation than the front elevation and thought it looked better on the front elevation. He asked how they intend to connect the beams to the columns and the trellis members to the beams. Mr. Gary Wagner, representative asked if he was concerned with the beams themselves or their longevity. Commissioner Vuksic said that he was concerned with them twisting. Mr. Wagner said that the architect did all calculations and the weights so all the construction part is fine. He stated that they would have no problem using glulams and as far as the attachment to the posts any brackets will be enclosed with stucco. Commissioner Vuksic asked about the brackets above the stucco. Mr. Wagner stated that they could use the heavy steel and stain the wood a light brown wood color to match the existing overhang. Commissioner Vuksic said that the exposed parts where there is wood need to have concealed connectors, otherwise it will look unfinished. Mr. Wagner said that it was designed into the hip. Commissioner Vuksic couldn't tell from the drawings because they didn't get into that and it is something that they need to think about and take it to the next level and show how they intend to build it. Commissioner Van Vliet agreed with the comments regarding the structural members. It is really important to make it work; otherwise it will twist like crazy. He expressed that beyond the materials he had a problem with the way it sits out there that it won't enhance the architecture of the house. Commissioner Gregory asked if it would help if they dropped it so that it matches the fascia. Commissioner Van Vliet said that it would help a little, but it still would look odd. Mr. Wagner said that is why they went to an architect so that it would meet the calculations for the structure and Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it could meet all the calculations and the beams would still sag and that is what they don't want to have happen. Mr. Wagner asked if the freestanding part of it is a concern. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it was a problem to him, but that he is only one member of this Commission. Mr. Wagner said that there wasn't a lot to work with there once the garage has been closed off. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that it is unfortunate with garage conversions because it backs you into a corner then you GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word FilesW Minutes\2W9\AROW728min.doc Page 8 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL ROVIEW COMMISSION •001 MINUTES July 28, 2009 add something out front that detracts from the architecture of the house. Mr. Wagner thought that if the pillars look the same as the entry and it is made of quality material and painted the same color it would flow back in bringing the height down to what was suggested. Mr. Pejovic said that he doesn't have a lot of room to work with but he wanted it to look nice architecturally. Commissioner Touschner stated that nothing was going on top of the wood slats so it would be open and she felt that they would not get the sun control they are looking for because when the sun is high it will come straight down through the trellis. Mr. Wagner stated that they are basically looking for some shade not permanent cover. Commissioner Van Vliet said that they will not get that much shade because you have 16 inches on center and right now they are 28 inches. There is a lot of openness between them. Commissioner Vuksic suggested beefing up the members to bring them closer together. Commissioner Touschner said that because you have the intermediate column he needs to be aware of what that will look like when you open the car doors because chances are that intermediate column is probably where you want to be opening your doors. ACTION: It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic and seconded by Commissioner Lambell, to continue Case MISC 09-288 to allow applicant to present drawings that: 1) bring the height down; 2) incorporate glulams and decrease spacing between cross members to create more shade; and 3) conceal connectors. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Levin absent. B. Preliminary Plans: 1. CASE NO: MISC 09-313 APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PALM DESERT REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, 73-510 Fred Waring Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92260 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Conceptual design review; Revitalization Plan for El Paseo Drive. LOCATION: El Paseo ZONE: GC, SP, OP GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word FilesW Minutes\2009WR090728min.doc Page 9 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REVU COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 Ms. Grisa presented this project and stated that this revitalization plan went to the City Council for a Study Session and they asked to have the whole project put aside for now, but staff thought we could get the conceptual approval of the whole design and then move forward with the signage aspect of the project. These are plans to unify the entire shopping district of El Paseo that will include covering street poles, banners, and placement of signage at either end that will identify the street so visitors can find it easily. The landscape has been revised and paver patterns have been proposed. Mr. Bryce White, Redevelopment Agency stated that the Agency has been looking at this project for a number of years. When we first became involved with this the economy was different than it currently is. The City Council reviewed this back in June and the consensus was that they were concerned with doing the project at this time because of the overall cost, however they wanted to move forward with some of the improvements; in particular the signs. More recently we have taken this before the Retail Committee to have them review the signage which they have agreed with. The project is proposed to return to City Council at the August 27tn meeting so that we can go ahead and put it out to bid for the signage portion. He stated that in the packet the Commission has the overall project and he wanted them to see the entire project in context. At the present time, they have no plans to do the balance of the project and currently they are simply putting it on hold. The project was envisioned to be done over several years in phases, primarily in the summer time. Mr. White indicated that the signage portion has four main elements. The primary signage which is the beginning of the district at El Paseo and Cabrillo is a large permanent art piece reminiscent of an Ocotillo with the sign itself super imposed on it. They are proposing secondary signs at Highway 74 and at San Pablo to direct traffic up to El Paseo to make visitors aware of the district. The third element of this package directs traffic once they are on El Paseo. These will be banner type signs on existing light signal standards. The fourth element is at the existing fountain signs just to the east of Highway 74 and just to the west of Portola. There are existing signs saying El Paseo that are somewhat undersized for their location with trees overgrowing them and a light standard in front of one of them. We have improved those and put granite pillars on the backside to enhance their size and make them GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word FilesW Minutes\20MAR090728min.doc Page 10 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL RE IEW COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 more appropriate to the district. Finally, in the district itself they would be putting a variety of banner signs at all the lights that have existing signalized intersections with light standards; four banners to an intersection. Mr. White said that this is the package they will be presenting to the City Council in August for the signage. The balance of the project hopefully will be implemented in the future and asked the Commission for their review and feedback at this time. Ms. Grisa stated that if the Commission were to grant conceptual approval we would have the signage come back for a final approval. For example, on the primary signs on either end of El Paseo it is showing it as an elevation view so we would want to see how it connects to the strips and to see what it would look like from all angles; particularly the one at Town Center Way and Cabrillo at the other end. Commissioner Touschner thought that it would be three-sided. Mr. White stated that it is a two-sided sign and he listed the elements that the sign would be composed of. Ms. Grisa asked how you would see the sign coming from El Paseo going north since the sign is oriented east or west on Highway 111. Mr. White said the sign will be oriented to Highway 111. Commissioner Vuksic thought that made sense because a huge majority of the people head east or west on Highway 111. Commissioner Touschner felt there may be a problem with reflection especially at night with the headlights and asked if any thought had been given to that issue. Mr. White stated that the metal portion will be the ribbons and the signage portion will be painted. The ribbons are relatively narrow and the metal gives it some kind of movement. They are not large broad areas to reflect and will be more like a glitter element. Commissioner Touschner discussed the size and height of the sign and hoped that they did some studies in terms of the height and felt that it was a bit too high. Mr. White said that this was designed for traffic and from a pedestrian standpoint it is tall but from a traffic standpoint you can see it at a distance. Commissioner Touschner stated that as you are coming south you need a three-sided sign because if it's straight you'll see it on Highway 74. Mr. White stated the concern there is the limited median as far as the width of it and part of this proposal is to slightly widen the median. Commissioner Vuksic disagreed with a three-sided sign because it will add a lot of bulk and he didn't understand why they would want to orient a huge sign toward Cabrillo. He asked how much they would widen the median. Mr. White answered that it would be approximately four GAPlanningWanine Judy\Word FilesW Minu1es\2009WR090728min.doc Page 11 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REV191 COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 feet making the median six feet wide. Commissioner Vuksic stated that he didn't have a three-dimensional feel for this sign at all and said that they were showing one side of it and wanted to see what it looked like from both sides. Mr. White said that they could bring that back to the Commission. Commissioner Vuksic was looking at the height of the sign and felt that it was okay because this sign is for two miles of street and a mile of retail and felt this was an important sign; unlike a sign on a building or a monument sign. Mr. White expressed that this would orient visitors to the valley and believes that this type of sign will garner that attention. It is bold and will add an artistic element to the street. Commissioner Touschner asked for a footprint of the sign. Commissioner Touschner asked Mr. White to review the base of the directory sign along El Paseo because she felt that it doesn't meet ADA because of the height and where it is located. Commissioner Touschner wondered if there was enough room on the sidewalk for the shade canopy. Mr. White said that they will not be on the sidewalk. The kiosks as well as the shade structure will be situated in bulb-outs, where they will bring out the sidewalk approximately eight feet so as to not impede pedestrian traffic. Commissioner Touschner noticed that a couple of these structures line up exactly with the signage on the buildings, which will make the retail individual unhappy. Mr. White said that they tried to space them between buildings. Commissioner Touschner felt the shade structures made good way finding and they might not necessarily want every one of them to be the same; maybe numbered differently or a different color. Mr. White said they are proposing to put numbers on the light standards for that function. Another benefit of the bulb-outs, particularly the shade structure is for the courtesy carts to have a place to stop so visitors can find them. Mr. White stated that they were also proposing retrofitting all the existing sign elements to coordinate them to the street. Commissioner Lambell asked if this was a part of this review and Mr. White said that it was only the signage they are going in with now, but it is part of the project and asked the Commission to review and approve so staff will know they are headed in the right direction. At the present time, we are recommending to the City Council to move forward with the signage portion. GAPIanningWanine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\2W9WROW728min.dcc Page 12 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION ti.rr' MINUTES July 28, 2009 Commissioner Vuksic felt that granite pillars behind the existing signs could be more interesting. He said that the solution doesn't relate in any way to the existing sign and he thought you could have it serve as a backdrop which is its function and incorporating angled lines to mimic the existing sign with the columns being more rectangular. He suggested that they all be trapezoidal and each one a little different; maybe three and not five. Commissioner Touschner felt that the night shot looked better than the day shot with the contrast and her thought was that it not be too elaborate so as not to compete with the art, but it does need something because it is almost too simple right now. Mr. White stated that they could bring back drawings with the different trapezoids or it leaning outward. Commissioner Vuksic stated that the angles should be subtle to distract from the straight lines. Commissioner Gregory asked staff what they were looking for from the Commission. Mr. Bagato stated that staff is looking for conceptual approval so they can go to City Council to move forward with the signage at this time. This would be a conceptual approval with the understanding that they bring it back again with more details on the actual design of the signage. Commissioner Vuksic said that the informational kiosk maps need to be reversed in the direction you are looking. He also touched on the number of banners and felt that since they were so far apart he wondered if they needed to have more. Commissioner Touschner stated that they have to be careful that it doesn't get cluttered. The signs right now are very delicate and you need to be careful with too much happening there. The Commission discussed the amount of banners and flags and Commissioner Gregory stated that the quantity they have proposed feels comfortable. Commissioner Vuksic wondered how much shade the shade structures would provide on the north side of the street. Mr. White stated that the shade structure is rectangle with an oval canopy with four seating areas so people should be able to sit on the shaded side. Commissioner Vuksic pointed out that they need to make sure they detail the light under the seat where it is tucked up and under so that at a distance you wouldn't see the bulbs. Commissioner Touschner felt that a public gathering place would help El Paseo hugely because it is a really long street and wondered if there was an opportunity to have a piazza somewhere with music, vendors, seating and shade. Mr. White said that the only way they could do that was to take an existing property and GAPIanningWanine Judy\Word Res\A Minutes\200MR090728min.doc Page 13 of 14 ARCHITECTURAL REVII COMMISSION MINUTES July 28, 2009 convert it for that purpose, but along the street itself there is really no space to do that. He pointed out that there will be some slightly larger pop-outs in some locations. Commissioner Touschner mentioned that they need to have trash containers near the seating areas. ACTION: It was moved by Commissioner Touschner and seconded by Commissioner Van Vliet, to grant approval of conceptual drawings with comments to be addressed as a part of the final drawings review: 1) submit 3-D of signage; 2) submit footprint of project; 3) check into the ADA requirements for the base of directory signage; 4) kiosk/shade structures should not obstruct building signage; 5); kiosk light should be tucked up and under the seat and detailed correctly; 6) the way-finding signs need to tie into existing El Paseo signage; 7) information kiosk maps need to be reversed — in the direction you are looking; 8) seating areas need to have trash cans; 9) create angled backdrop to correlate to the existing fountain sign design; and 10) Robusta palms may be a potential issue blocking cross views. Motion carried 5-0-0- 1, with Commissioner Levin absent. C. Miscellaneous Items: None VI. ADJOURNMENT It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner Lambell to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Levin absent. The meeting was adjourned at 2:00 p.m. TONY BAGA O PRINCIPAL PLANNER GAPlanning\Janine Judy\Word Files\A Minutes\2009WR0%728min.doc Page 14 of 14