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ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION
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May 12, 2009
I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
Ill. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 8 1
Chris Van Vliet X 8 1
John Vuksic X 9
Karel Lambell X 9
Pam Touschner X 6 3
Allan Levin X 4 1
Vacancy
Also Present
Lauri Aylaian, Director
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Renee Schrader, Associate Planner
Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner
Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
Hart Ponder, Code Compliance Manager
Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: April 14, 2009. The meeting minutes of April 28,
2009 to be approved at the next meeting.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to approve the April 14, 2009 meeting minutes. Motion carried
5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent.
V. CASES:
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A. Final Drawings:
1. CASE NO.: SA 09-178
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): SIGN-A-RAMA, 41945
Broadway, Suite L, Palm Desert CA 92211
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
monument sign.
LOCATION: 74-710 Highway 111
ZONE: PC-4 NSP
Ms. Grisa presented the project and summarized the staff report.
She stated that this monument sign came before the Commission
at the previous meeting and the main concern was the location and
height of the sign. As requested, the applicant has resubmitted his
design. The new sign has been reduced in height to 66 inches and
holds three tenant signs on each side. There were also concerns
that there was a public utility easement behind the CVWD
easement so Public Works initially wanted it on the north side of the
sidewalk. At that point, Staff went out to review the site and Public
Works is now okay with having it outside of the ten-foot CVWD
easement and on the south side of the sidewalk. There is
landscaping currently in that area and the landscape staff
suggested turning on the sprinklers to evaluate the spray pattern.
The applicant will have to submit a landscape plan prior to permit
issuance.
Commissioner Gregory stated that he and Commissioner Vuksic
were investors with one of the entities that appears on the sign and
said that they would have to recuse themselves.
ACTION:
No action was taken due to a lack of quorum.
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2. CASE NO: SA 09-208
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): KYTTI ST. AMAND, 74-140 El
Paseo, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
awnings and signage; The Enlightened Path.
LOCATION: 74-140 El Paseo
ZONE: C1-SP
Mr. Swartz presented the project and stated that the property is on
the east end of Portola, south of Wells Fargo and Jillian's
restaurant. This request is for two forest green awnings and he
presented the material and color samples to the commission. The
two awning signs meet the square footage of lineal feet. The
applicant came in for a wall sign on the rear facing the parking lot
and was approved over the counter, so this request is for two
awnings and signage facing El Paseo.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that the rendering looks fine but he
had a heck of time trying to understand the shape of the awning.
He asked the applicant to explain the section on the first page. Mr.
Jim Sandler, sign representative presented photos to the
Commission showing the existing awnings. Commissioner Vuksic
asked if there was a curved eave there and if is molded to the
curved eave. Mr. Sandler stated that was correct and that there is
also a wall on this particular unit.
Commissioner Gregory stated that the way it is stacked it forms
three different rows and asked if it meets the spirit of the minimal
font size, which is eight-inch maximum height letters. Mr. Bagato
stated that all signage has to comply with the overall square
footage and said that they already have wall signage on the rear.
When staff reviewed the square footage it was calculated with eight
inch lines and thought that stacking it may hurt them. Mr. Swartz
stated that they have 62.5 square feet available and they were at
59.3.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Vuksic and seconded by Commissioner
Levin to grant approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-1 , with Commissioner
Touschner absent.
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3. CASE NO: MISC 09-147
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PREST VUKSIC ARCHITECTS,
44-530 San Pablo Avenue Suite 200, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of new
commercial building and landscape; Parcel 8 at the Village at
University Park.
LOCATION: 36-987 Cook Street
ZONE: PCD FCOZ
ACTION:
No action taken due to a lack of quorum.
4. CASE NO: CUP 09-14
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN
CHURCH, 42-695 Washington Street, Palm Desert, CA 92260
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
an addition to the first floor and the addition of a new second floor
to the existing multi-purpose room; St. John's Lutheran Church.
LOCATION: 42-695 Washington Street
ZONE: OP
Mr. Swartz presented the project and stated that this was continued
from a previous meeting. The applicant is adding a second floor to
an existing multi-purpose room. At the previous meeting, the
Commission recommended incorporating some of the architecture
from the main church to the second floor. The applicant changed
some of the windows, added stones and matched the roof to the
existing sanctuary.
Commissioner Vuksic asked if there were setback requirements
and Mr. Swartz stated that there were no setback requirements in
that area for office professional. Mr. Bagato stated that a lot of
these areas were zoned office professional on Washington when
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annexed even though there were schools and apartments. Mr.
Swartz stated that if it were residential there would be setback
requirements.
Commissioner Vuksic understood their need for additional space;
however, at this point it looks like they put a little dressing on one
side of a really big box. He doesn't see a solution unless they are
able to carve up some more of this to create the sort of articulation
to properly compliment the rest of the facility.
Commissioner Lambell stated that on the east and west elevation
there is a little articulation from before when it was so flat and
asked if the fascia had left that elevation. Mr. Mark Valentine,
architect stated that they are dealing with an existing footprint,
which is a box they are trying to go over. Pulling the existing flying
fascia out they tried to pull that in on the alley side, which is really
the only part you will see as noted on the drawings, and bring it in
to pull it all together. He stated that they added wing buttresses like
on the existing building and a stone piece. The building is 60 feet
by 60 feet so it is not a large building and to add a lot to it didn't
make any sense. The reason they kept it flat was because they
needed the square footage, but to also play the two apart.
Commissioner Van Vliet stated that he liked what they did to the
front by tying it into the existing building, but the north side is still a
problem. He thought it would be visible and would need more
architecture back there. Mr. Valentine stated that they are dealing
with almost a zero property line.
Commissioner Gregory stated that in their effort to have it blend
more with the sanctuary, he felt that the revised roof didn't work
well for a building of this shape. He said that if some of those
elements from the first presentation were lightened up a bit it
wouldn't look so heavy and would help the architectural flavor of the
building. Mr. Valentine stated that he tried spreading it out on the
floor plan side and breaking it up, but he didn't have that option
because it wasn't in the guidelines from the owners.
Commissioner Gregory stated that it was very difficult
architecturally to work with an existing building to make it taller and
still have it conform in some way to the notion of a campus setting.
Mr. Genovesen, chairman of the building committee for St. John's
Lutheran Church said that they talked about that and the fear is that
they will lose square footage upstairs and they really need the
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space. They are also having a struggle with a height problem. The
back side is a school and a playground and not a lot of people that
would notice it there. Commissioner Gregory explained that the
Commission's job is to address all four sides of a building even if no
one sees it on one side. He wondered if they had the opportunity to
do something that might involve a little more expense to have it
come together. When there are different elements you can make
them look more attractive in terms of their relationship with one
another, and some schematic thing can be pulled from one thing to
another; even paint selection and types of trim. Mr. Genovesen
stated that they are not making it super big, it is pretty minimizing.
They don't have the space or the finances to make it bigger or more
elaborate.
Commissioner Gregory stated that one of the Commission's
charges is making an effort to maintain the standards of the
community. He stated that the building needs some serious work
and understands that everything costs money, but hoped there was
a way to use their imagination to give the building a little more
interest. Commissioner Vuksic asked Mr. Valentine if there were
any flexibility in the program to move some of those functions to the
lower level so that they have a second level that is only part way
over the first floor instead of a box. Mr. Genovesen answered that
the first level would be for the older congregation and the second
story would be for the younger congregation, choir, etc. They are
already going to lose some space because of the back stairwell and
restrooms.
Commissioner Levin asked if there was a need for additional
parking. Mr. Swartz answered no and said that they have an
agreement to park on a grassy area for overflow for the church.
Commissioner Lambell stated that at the previous meeting there
was some question if the first floor would be able to be salvaged
and reused to carry that second floor and asked if that was still their
feeling. Mr. Valentine stated that that it is still the direction they
want to go. Commissioner Lambell asked if they were looking at
having that building taken down and starting afresh. She thought
that if they are trying to base everything around this first floor and
putting just a box on top, maybe he could give the applicant the
vision of what that building could look like with two floors, keeping
those same functions. Mr. Valentine asked Mr. Genovesen if he
could use the space between the sanctuary and the building. Mr.
Genovesen stated that they would have to relocate the office and it
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would be a major expense, which is going to be a real problem for
them. They have a good pledge program with over 50% of the
money pledged and then will have to try and obtain a loan in
today's environment; which is very concerning. Talking about doing
all these things add to the cost dramatically. He stated that they
have been working on this for two and half to three years to get it to
this point and to go back with a figure to add on to their program will
be hard.
Mr. Bagato stated that this is discretionary approval and it has to
get to a point where it is acceptable or it could be denied. For the
architect and for this Commission to be comfortable, he expressed
that there needs to be some compromise on the square footage
and is something that needs to be worked out with the church
board. Mr. Valentine stated that he would try to work out something
by rearranging some of the bottom spaces. Commissioner Lambell
suggested that the architect give the applicant direction on utilizing
some of the space between the sanctuary and the building.
Commissioner Vuksic stated that it was unfortunate that the
setback requirements for an office professional zone has a zero lot
line and remarked that it may be no more expensive to build a new
building, which really opens up a lot of possibilities and a clean
slate.
Commissioner Gregory asked the architect to submit his ideas to
staff for review.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner
Levin to grant a continuance subject to: 1) rearranging some of the spaces
on the original building; 2); utilizing the space between the existing
building and sanctuary; 3) consider some relief on the north side fagade
facing the Learning Tree; 4); consider tearing down existing building and
build a new two-story building; 5) submit new drawings to staff for review;
and 6) landscape plans to be reviewed by the Landscape Specialist..
Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent.
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5. CASE NO: MISC 09-201
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): THE ART OFFICE, Phillip Smith,
83-810 Vin Deo Circle, Indio, CA 92201
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of a
facade enhancement; Palm Desert Self-Serve Car Wash.
LOCATION: 73-220 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Ms. Grisa presented the project and summarized the staff report.
This request is for approval of a facade enhancement for Palm
Desert Self-Serve Car Wash. Details of the facade renovation
would include a newly painted office building wrapped on three
sides by a custom perforated steel panel / frame with acrylic
inserts. Car bay walls would be re-faced in a UV resistant high
density polyethylene material installed in a staggered horizontal
pattern. Fascia, auto-wash pay station, and vacuum locations
would all be surrounded or re-surfaced with perforated, painted,
steel panels with 3/a" holes staggered on 1" centers.
New signage is displayed on the custom panel facing Highway 111
and the monument sign within the center divider. The wall sign
consists of 32.5 sq. ft. while the monument sign consists of 25 sq.
ft. The total allowable signage this property may have along the
frontage is 75 sq. ft.; the applicant is under this amount at a total of
57.5 sq. ft. of signage. Wall signage across the custom perforated
panel has letters routed out of a solid sheet of steel. The
renovated building design is well under the 30 foot height limit at 17
feet-6 inches at its highest point and signage square footage is
under the maximum square footage allowed.
Landscape staff comments include noting which existing plants
should remain or should be removed, missing utility information,
and incorrect plant name identifications. Suggestions were also
given to better enhance the plan by recommending that well
developed landscape remain, while items that are struggling be
replaced. These comments have been issued to the applicant for
review. A final approval by landscape staff will be necessary prior to
pulling permits.
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Ms. Grisa presented a color board and stated that the colors
proposed for this building are a more vibrant color set than typical
colors chosen within the City. Staff has verified the accuracy
between the rendering and the color samples. On the sample
board, the perforated steel color appears to be redder in hue and
the rendering illustrates it as a rustic brown color. The applicant
stated it would be more on the brown side but with red undertones
to remain. Overall, staff is pleased with the design and upgrades to
this facility. The creative use of materials and the way in which they
are applied is a refreshing look within the City. The material used
for the car wash bay walls seems to be suitable to resist fading and
chipping of paint over time in a solar exposed and wet location.
Mr. Bagato stated that because this has to go through fagade
enhancement, staff would like the Commission's opinion regarding
how the whole wall floats up higher and continues down to the
baseline. He stated that architecturally it looked fine and
recommends approval as is.
Mr. Phil Smith, representative agreed that some of the colors from
the color wheel were a little bit brighter than what he would prefer.
Ultimately the intent was for the green to be a Palo Verde green so
it would match the color of the Palo Verde tree on the side. The red
is a little redder than he liked it to be and stated that it should be a
little more brown as is shown in the renderings and elevations and
the green is a Palo Verde green; a fresh and dirty green.
Commissioner Gregory liked the project and from his perspective
he preferred that the angle not be brought down. The colors are fun
and stated that for this community they may be a little bit bright.
Mr. Smith addressed the polyethylene material and said that it is
something that is actually used for a sculpture project but is the
same thing as bathroom partitions, decks on boats, and playground
equipment. If someone sprays graffiti on it we use 409 on it and
you just wipe it off. Ms. Grisa stated that it also resists the fading
and chipping in a constantly wet location and the bays are always
open and exposed to sun and weather.
Commissioner Lambell said that it was fabulous and she especially
liked the slope of the bottom line. She told Mr. Smith not to lose
that; otherwise it will look like a fence around a building. She asked
if there isn't going to be a Palo Verde then where are they with the
screen. Ms. Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist stated that
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there is a huge, gorgeous pencil cactus there that is about eight
feet tall and five feet wide and she didn't see the point of removing
it. Commissioner Gregory said that considering the limited area in
which the landscape is being applied, a little more attention should
be paid to the east property line so that it is more meaningful. Mr.
Smith stated that his hope with that would be to create some
heights with some cassias and bring it down to a street level. He
had proposed cobble throughout because he liked that look of the
steel coming out of the cobble and plants coming out of the cobble
but landscapes comments were to reduce the cobble to half DG
and half cobble. He explained that he did have the pencil plants
along the east edge but landscape staff wanted those removed.
Ms. Hollinger stated that because of the low wall in that area if
people were to jump over the wall they would break the plants. Ms.
Grisa stated that was part of the comments that staff suggested to
leave in because it is already under landscaped, it's about 13%
landscape and if you took that out it would reduce it even more.
They tried to achieve 15% overall site coverage.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner
Van Vliet to grant approval of the design concept subject to: 1) final color
to be reviewed by staff; 2) angled wall to remain as shown; and 3)
landscape plans to be reviewed by the Landscape Specialist. Motion
carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner Touschner absent.
6. CASE NO: MISC 09-176
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): ROYAL STREET
COMMUNICATIONS, 350 Commerce, Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92602
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval to co-
locate six panel antennas to existing monopalm.
LOCATION: 74-700 Highway 111
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Swartz presented the project and stated that this is an existing
monopalm located on Highway 111 by the Embassy Suites. They
are adding six panel antennas to the monopalm. The monopalm
and the palm fronds are in good shape and staff is recommending
approval. Mr. Spencer Knight, Landscape Manager asked if the
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landscaping was originally conditioned and what kind of condition
was it in at this point. Mr. Swartz stated that the landscape was
okay and suggested that he take Ms. Hollinger out to review the
site.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell and seconded by Commissioner
Levin to grant approval subject to review of existing landscape by
Landscape Specialist. Motion carried 5-0-0-1, with Commissioner
Touschner absent.
B. Preliminary Plans:
1. CASE NO: PP 07-10, CUP 07-18, DA 07-03 Amendment #1
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVIS STREET LAND
COMPANY, 622 Davis Street Suite 200, Evanston, IL 60201 (El
Paseo Village: El Paseo Land Company, LLC)
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Request for
approval of amendment #1 to an approved project to construct 1) a
27,000 square foot expansion of the existing Saks 5th Avenue; and 2)
the construction of a new single-story 41,000 square foot
retail/restaurant; Gardens on El Paseo
LOCATION: 73-425 El Paseo
ZONE: C-1
Mr. Stendell presented the project and stated that the ARC
approved the garden expansion last year and since that time they
are going through with Amendment #1, which is basically that the
project is going down to a single story. As a result of that, they do
not need the parking deck on the back. This project is very similar
to what was presented at the last meeting, but is now a single story
version. From an architecture standpoint staff is happy and
working out details circulation wise. Mr. Stendell asked the
Commission for their comments.
Mr. John Vuksic, architect stated that his company Prest Vuksic
Architects is serving as owner/rep on this project and have been
working with the architect on certain details. He said that it is very
similar to what was presented before with different elements than
The Gardens to create some interest and variety, but the intent is to
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create a harmony between those two projects. Like The Gardens,
the shell structures are designed to allow the tenants to create their
identity, which it what is appropriate for the national tenants that
they will have. The Davis Street group has a strong set of design
guidelines for those tenants to follow as they add another layer to
this design.
Mr. Bagato informed the Commission that the tower elements are
no longer above height limit so everything will be to code. When
we go back to Planning Commission and City Council it should be
an easier approval from the design standpoint because they are not
asking for height exception under the development.
Mr. Stendell stated that they still have some of the same features
previously submitted. They integrated an Art in Public Places
features in the two entrances back to the parking area; the corridor
has seating areas and some areas that could be art areas. You
would still have the same flavor that everyone liked so much, it's
just that there is no second story. The second story was primarily
office with flanking restaurants on east and west. He requested
preliminary approval of architecture subject to landscape approval
at a later date.
Mr. Bagato stated that there are some concerns with the towers
and some of the designs and wanted to make it clear because the
project is already scheduled for Planning Commission next week
and going to Council in June. The applicant is hoping to start
construction in the fall like they would have with the original project.
Construction drawings will be back here in July.
Commissioner Gregory asked if the signage element on the north
elevation, San Pablo and Lupine is a steel type trellis on which the
signage is affixed. Mr. Stendell stated that that was correct.
Commissioner Gregory expressed that it is really important for that
to remain the way it is designed as opposed to if it were wood. Mr.
Filday, architect stated that the signs would sit on a steel frame.
Mr. Vuksic said that the trellis members themselves are wood, like
in The Gardens. It is a steel framework and the trellis members are
six by six. Commissioner Gregory asked Mr. Vuksic how he felt
about the viability of that material over time. Mr. Vuksic wondered
about that when The Gardens was built in 1999 and it has worked
out well with detailed maintenance. He thought that the wood at
The Gardens created a bit of warmth to it as opposed to if it were
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all steel. Commissioner Van Vliet stated that if it has worked at The
Gardens, then it will work here.
Commissioner Lambell stated that the two corners, the north
elevation at San Pablo and the one at Lupine are fabulous. She
liked the tower, screening with the parapet, how the next building
goes up, the signage and the El Paseo element above the signage.
However, she is struggling with the middle because so much of the
parapet screening is visible not much articulation in that center part.
She is most concerned about the south elevation because that is
what the condominiums are going to see. In the previous plans,
they were struggling with the two-story and a parking structure, now
without the second story this building becomes more visible to
them. Mr. Stendell stated that they are adding more vertical
landscape elements in that area to take care of the impact to the
residents. Commissioner Levin asked if there was a walkway up
against the building. Mr. Stendell stated that there is a walkway
and it actually screens the entrances to the back of tenant spaces.
They will have trees and vines that will grow up on that to give it
additional screening.
Mr. Vuksic wanted to address the visibility issue a little more. He
indicated that the mechanical screen is set back about 30 feet from
the front parapet and pointed that out on the roof plan. He said that
you would see it but it is set back very far and you wouldn't see the
whole thing. The Commission reviewed the plans and the
equipment.
Commissioner Lambell was still concerned because now that the
parking structure is gone this becomes much more visible to them
than it did in the past. Mr. Vuksic stated that they probably needed
to look at that in the context of the whole thing and said there will
be layers of elements there. He handed out a photograph of the
parking canopy that is going to be used that will go across the
entire middle of the project. It is broken up in three segments, but it
is a prominent layer that is in front of this building along with
landscaping and the trellis. Mr. Bagato stated that there is also the
landscape that is up against the property line as well. They are
over planted now but they will still have a good number of trees
back there to meet our shade tree ordinance. Mr. Stendell stated
that there are also oleanders on the other side of the wall.
Commissioner Lambell asked if this rendering was more true to life
that that parapet is not going to show between the corner tower
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element and the green gray building. Mr. Vuksic answered that the
rendering is accurate and that you would catch glimpses of it as in
the other one.
Commissioner Gregory inquired about the oleanders. Mr. Stendell
stated that the oleanders were there and explained that on top of
this property which is higher than this property there were very tall
oleanders, sporadic trees, and carports. Mr. Spencer Knight,
Landscape Manager stated that they cannot depend on the
oleanders for long term; they are in decline and in ten years will be
removed.
Commissioner Levin asked about the individual tenants doing their
fagade and would they be coming back to ARC. Commissioner
Gregory stated that tenants like control over their fagade. Mr.
Filday presented some photos of the retailers at The Gardens and
stated that the tenants all have their own design. Commissioner
Levin asked if they only come back to ARC if staff has a concern.
Mr. Stendell stated that the tenants come back to the counter and if
staff doesn't approve it at counter level, it would come back to ARC.
Commissioner Levin asked if they were looking at any kind of solar
panels on covered parking. Mr. Vuksic stated not at this time.
Commissioner Van Vliet expressed his concerns that he was not
totally convinced that the HVAC units won't be seen. He knows
they are set far back and asked if there was a grade differential on
that site. He suggested putting some offsets or variation on it. Mr.
Bagato stated that in some places the units would be visible
because of the grade change like in the existing Gardens.
Commissioner Van Wet stated that the building was all in one
plane with no offsets in any of those screens which adds a really
flat element on top of that building. He felt that they could offset it
pretty easily without too much expense. Commissioner Lambell
agreed that the back side of the existing Gardens is very flat so if
they can make this project have some movement it would be
wonderful.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell to grant preliminary approval of revised architecture subject to: 1)
review of HVAC equipment screening to create more offsets and movement;
and 2) landscape review at a later date. Motion carried 4-0-1-1, with
Commissioner Vuksic abstaining and Commissioner Touschner absent.
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C. Miscellaneous Items:
None
VI. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell, seconded by Commissioner Vuksic to
adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-0. The meeting was adjourned at 1:35
p.m.
TONYBAGATO
PRINCIPAL PLANNER
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