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CITY OF PALM DESERT
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION
MINUTES
May 25, 2010
I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Ronald Gregory, Chairman X 9 1
Chris Van Vliet X 10
John Vuksic X 9 1
Karel Lambell X 10
Pam Touschner X 7 3
Allan Levin X 10
Ken Stendell X 10
Also Present
Lauri Aylaian, Director
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner
Diane Hollinger, Landscape Specialist
Pedro Rodriquez, Senior Code Officer
Janine Judy, Senior Office Assistant
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: May 11, 2010
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet, seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to approve the May 11, 2010 meeting minutes. Motion carried
5-0-0-2, with Commissioners Vuksic and Touschner absent.
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V. CASES:
A. Final Drawings:
1. CASE NO: MISC 09-519
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PONDEROSA HOMES II INC.
Attn: Pamela Hardy, 6671 Owens Drive, Pleasanton, CA 94588
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
three new architectural and landscape plans to be built on 103 lots
within tract 31490 and tract 31490-1.
LOCATION: 75-400 Gerald Ford
ZONE: PR-5
Ms. Grisa summarized the project and stated that this came before
the Architectural Review Commission (ARC) on January 1, 2010
and at that time there were six conditions placed on the approval
and staff has been reviewing them through the plan check process.
Staff would like the Commission to review a couple of those
conditions. Additional recess on the side windows was requested
but the developers chose not to do it because at the last meeting it
was conditioned “if possible”, so they deemed it not possible. They
illustrated on the plans that the fireplaces were vented through the
sidewalls but decided to vent through the roof. According to the
new plans the fireplaces will be vented through the roof. Staff
initially felt that a decorative cap would be required but the
developers prefer not to do that. On three of the façades they have
the curved windows at the top and previously they only had one
mullion across the top, now another mullion has been added.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if there were surrounds on the
chimney flues and Ms. Grisa stated that staff asked the applicant to
provide a decorative chimney cap but the developers prefer not to
have them. She pointed out that Building and Safety does not
require them to have the cap. The Commission discussed the
chimney and the decorative cap and the conditions placed on the
previous approval. Commissioner Gregory stated that the chimney
is substantial enough and should be made more attractive. He
thought that it wouldn’t be that expensive to build some type of
structure to make it look better.
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Commissioner Lambell asked why it was not possible to recess the
windows on the sides. Ms. Grisa stated possibly for financial
reasons. The Commission discussed the size of the recess.
Commissioner Gregory stated that considering the market and that
they are having a rough time he felt it would be fine as they were
especially since the windows were on the sides.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Gregory and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to accept the revisions made subject to: 1) chimneys should
architecturally enhance the aesthetics of the house; reviewed and approved
by staff; and 2) subject to final landscape approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2,
with Commissioners Vuksic and Touschner absent.
2. CASE NO: SA 10-176
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): DAVIS STREET LAND CO/MIKE
RADIS, 622 Davis Street Suite 200, Evanston, IL 60201
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Final approval of
two wall signs and two monument signs; El Paseo Village.
LOCATION: 73-405 / 73-425 / 73-445 El Paseo
ZONE: C-1, SP
Mr. Bagato presented a request for two walls signs and two
monument signs at El Paseo Village. Two signs are being
proposed over the two entry pass-thrus in between the buildings.
He pointed out that the sign has a terracing structure that doesn’t
have the ability to do the halo reverse so there will be a backing
panel plate behind the letters. It will still be reverse channel but
reflect off the backing panel. The two monument signs meet all the
requirements and staff does not have any problem with the design.
The approved site plan includes the grading plan that shows the
sign location on the two side streets which will need to be verified
that it is 12’ behind the right-of-way. If there is a change in the
landscaping staff will want to review that and modify as needed.
Staff is recommending approval.
Mr. Kim Sanson, sign representative stated that the monuments are
in place on the landscaping plans he has reviewed. Commissioner
Lambell asked if there was a line of site issue and Mr. Bagato
stated there wasn’t.
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The Commission reviewed and discussed the letter height. Mr.
Sanson stated that overall the size is 5’ 4”; the “L” is 3’ 11” and the
“E” is 20”. Mr. Bagato said this is part of what the development
agreement allows and the square footage is based on the tenant
square footage and will identify the center.
ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Van Vliet and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to grant approval. Motion carried 5-0-0-2, with Commissioners
Vuksic and Touschner absent.
B. Preliminary Plans:
1. CASE NO: PP 09-507
APPLICANT (AND ADDRESS): PDH PARTNERS, LLC 9355
Wilshire Blvd. Suite 200, Beverly Hills, CA 90210
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Approval of a
Precise Plan for a condominium and resort hotel including 67 multi-
family residential units and 81 hotel rooms; Rosewood Hotel.
LOCATION: 45-640 Highway 74
ZONE: P.C. (4)
Mr. Bagato presented the preliminary approval of the Rosewood
Hotel and stated that this has come before the ARC in two previous
meetings and was continued. The Commission recommended that
the developers work out some of the massing in context of the
neighborhood and requested a 3-D model of the project. He stated
that the applicant has photo sims of the project but did not bring the
3-D model with them.
Mr. Matt Joblon, PDH Partners, Inc. stated that since the last
meeting they met with the residents of Sandpiper and the people
from the Amago Gallery. They went out to the site to do a balloon
study at the Sandpiper. He explained that they placed the balloons
at the proposed height versus the current height and put them on
the northwest corner, center west corner, and the southwest corner
of the site. They presented those photos to the Commission for
their review.
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Mr. Joblon stated that they have compromised by reducing the
building 7’ by lowering the residential and hotel units by a foot;
which is dramatic and definitely takes away from the value. They
also took a couple feet off the lobby height for the residential side
and from the hotel.
Commissioner Levin asked if the reduction in height resulted in a
reduction in the number of rooms and Mr. Joblon answered no and
said that they took the height out of each floor; still leaving four
floors. Commissioner Stendell asked what they were at center and
Mr. Joblon stated that it was 35’. Originally they came in asking for
52’ and they brought it down to 45’ and are now asking for an
additional 10’. The highest corner on the north end is 59’ and
before it was proposed at 66’.
Mr. Richard Riveire, Architect presented 25 3-D photos of the site
for the Commission’s review and explained the images to them. He
then described the mass as it fits on the site to make this project
work. He explained that the architecture is deliberately designed to
reflect a desert vernacular, but not necessarily the vernacular that
you tend to get in Palm Desert. From an architectural point of view
they definitely want the horizontal appearance to it. Mr. Joblon
referred back to the balloon study that showed the 35’, 49’ and 59’
heights. The project definitely has presence but the difference
between the fourth story and the third story is not as material as
everyone thinks it is. He believes having that additional 10’ doesn’t
create that much additional impact.
Mr. Bagato presented the Commission with two additional letters
received for review. He stated that this is not the advertised public
hearing but the ARC allows an opportunity for the public to speak
and suggested opening up the meeting to the public.
Commissioner Gregory asked what height restrictions or setbacks
they were requesting in the sense of variances. Mr. Joblon stated
that it was a height variance. Commissioner Gregory asked if
determining the height is pursuant to city standards in a sense that
it is measured from the center of the building and averaging it. Mr.
Bagato stated that there is a section of the code that says when
they measure the height of a structure you take in the average of
the site and apply it over the general site. Commissioner Gregory
wondered if the code addressed such a long large building on a
slope situation such as this. Mr. Bagato didn’t know if the intent of
the code addressed that, but pointed out that the average was used
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on the Westfield mall which has a big slope on a huge parcel
further away from the street, and terraced projects like Falling
Waters and the Larkspur Hotel that have three stories on the front
end and two stories on the back.
Commissioner Gregory opened the hearing for public statement.
Ms. Kathryn Cook - 473 Sandpiper. She referred to the balloon
study and said it just shows more readily than any word or picture
could that the building will completely obliterate the view of the
mountains and the vistas along Highway 74. She said that the
Sandpiper is regarded by many as a modern treasure on El Paseo
and is visited by numbers of visitors who come to look at
midcentury modern architecture. The architect’s design situated
each condo so the residents could have a view of the wonderful
desert and the vistas. She stated they are happy to share the view,
but would be extremely disappointed to lose it. The way the hotel is
situated they will see the back side of the hotel because everything
is situated towards Ocotillo. It breaks her heart that such a lovely
facility that they are designing has to impinge on its neighbors.
Ms. Jan Hoffman - 363 Sandpiper. She expressed that a great deal
of consideration, creativity, and energy has been put into this
design. She thanked them for that energy but she couldn’t
condone the project because it goes against all of her feelings and
her love for Palm Desert. She mentioned that notices should have
been sent to the taxpayers addresses so they could have
participated in this earlier. She said that the massive look of the
design being presented is too massive and too much of a straight
line and an 85’ speck in the middle is not going to diminish the
mass. She didn’t know if architectural enhancements could be done
to the flatness on Highway 74 but suggested they break it up. On
El Paseo the buildings are practically common walls, but if you look
at them each store has its own individuality so there isn’t a massive
look. She is also concerned with the hallway that faces Highway 74
that runs the length of the building. She said there would be a
mass of lights running the whole length and wondered how the
lighting would affect the Sandpiper at all hours of the night; 365
days a year. She also mentioned that she had a hard time listening
to the developer’s say that the project will not work unless they get
the full amount of square footage. She informed the applicants that
the Sandpiper residents would like to see a little more consideration
given to them.
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Ms. Margarite Stetson - 263 Sandpiper. She stated that she loves
that at night it’s very dark which is nice because the residents can
watch the stars. One of her biggest concerns is the fact that the
entrance is going to be off Highway 74 and it is already a very busy
highway with people coming down much too fast. Consequently
she feels that it will be very dangerous to have an in and out from
the hotel right on Highway 74. The traffic on El Paseo has
increased noticeably in the last two years and it already takes three
to five minutes to get out of gate F. She urged them to rethink the
planning because it will be a major problem.
Mr. Pearson Forbes - 252 Sandpiper. He stated that the hotel is an
interesting site. It is 800’ long and on a slope so even building to
code allows the building to be 49’ at the northern point. However,
code isn’t the issue here; mass is. Some of the ways to mitigate
the mass have been brought up by Mr. Riveire, but he focused on
the Ocotillo side; stepping back the building, starting from a lower
height and going to a higher height. Stepping the building back
from the property line helps but they are doing the opposite on
Highway 74. By using the frontage road the hotel property is
actually moving 30’ closer to the Sandpiper, not further away.
Another way to break up the mass would be to break up the
building into smaller segments because these are two massive 300’
long walls. In reference to lighting, the Sandpiper residents look
out at complete blackness at night and if this hotel is built as
proposed, they will look at corridor after corridor of lights; 24-7. To
conclude he quoted the Palm Desert code as it relates to the
architectural commission Chapter 25.70, Architectural Commission
Goals/Policy/Procedures, Section 25.70.090 Action of the
Commission states, “to approve an application the Commission
shall find the following: Subsection B; that the design and location
of the proposed development and its relationship to neighboring
existing or proposed developments and traffic is such that it will not
impair the desirability of investment or occupation in the
neighborhood; and that it will not unreasonably interfere with the
use and enjoyment of neighboring existing or proposed
developments and that it will not create traffic hazards or
congestion.” Subsection C states, “that the design and location of
the proposed development is in keeping with the character of the
surrounding neighborhood and is not detrimental to the
harmonious, orderly and attractive development contemplated by
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this title and the general plan of the city.” For this proposed
development he believes that they cannot meet these findings.
This project is a monstrosity imposing itself on single story
residences on three adjacent sides; on the east, south and west.
Ms. Tess Miller – 231 Sandpiper. She stated that the Sandpiper is
a manmade development sitting in a natural environment and
clearly this beautiful hotel belongs somewhere where it is burdened
with other large buildings. It doesn’t belong in the desert
environment and will dwarf everything; Sandpiper and El Paseo. It
will block all the beautiful things about the desert; the view and the
stars. She is also concerned that the city is not following the
general plan that was established in 2004 that limited building
height. She stated that the applicants need to design within the
parameters in the natural environment and the plan admits that it
can impose constraints but it can also lead to creativity. Building
something two stories and terrace it down will create the same
amount of building without the bulk. The general plan says to
harmonize new land uses and developments within the existing
built and natural environment. This project clearly does not fit
within anything that was built in downtown Palm Desert. It is huge
and doesn’t fit the desert architecture. Structures should be
planned with integrated elements within the natural environment
achieved by building scale and proportion in structure height.
These structures should be similar in height and compatible with
other buildings. She stated that they need to stick with the plan that
was agreed upon. She stated that the Rosewood is beautiful, but
they will be the only ones that will get the scenic vistas that belong
to everyone. It will be a shame to lose the beautiful architecture of
the Sandpiper and lose what we all deserve to have here.
Ms. Heidi Hanskin – 211 Sandpiper. She stated that she
appreciates the beautiful renderings of this lovely boutique hotel
and can appreciate what it can contribute to Palm Desert; revenue
and an influx of visitors. She grew up in the desert and the
Sandpiper has been in her family for 25 years. She agrees with the
concerns made regarding the scenery, lighting, and traffic. She has
seen the traffic really escalate on El Paseo and it has become very
problematic getting in and out and the noise level has escalated
over the past few years as well.
Commissioner Van Vliet asked if the 45’, which is 10’ above the
code was measured from the center of the 800’ long property and is
it one or two parcels and Mr. Joblon answered that it was measured
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in the center and it is only one parcel. Commissioner Van Vliet
asked what the height was at the upper end. Mr. Joblon stated 21’
so stepping down from south to north is 21’, 45’ and 55’. The
Commission reviewed the photos.
Commissioner Gregory stated that he had a hard time with this
proposal. He stated that the architecture is very well designed but
feels that the massing defies the spirit of the code and ordinances.
When the Commission looks at residential design we look at things
such as how the roof might be sloped so that if a house is taller
than earlier codes we still try to respect the neighbors by having the
houses at least conform somewhat to one another through some
kind sensitivity to the existing homes. He realizes that Palm Desert
is growing up and he doesn’t have a problem with a large
development being built so long as it is massed sensitively on both
sides. He thought they did a great job on the Ocotillo side, but as a
lot of neighbors are complaining it’s obviously not a great job on
Highway 74. Contrary to what was said earlier, if you remove some
of the height and some of the massing you will lose some of the
units and he understands how extremely detrimental that can be to
the economic feasibility of the project. However, when the spirit of
the ordinance is 35’ with the understanding that it might get a little
bit higher or a little bit lower from one end or the other he didn’t
think that was aimed towards something that had such a long axis
that parallels the street with a gradient of Highway 74. So when
you have a building at 59’ tall it is so far off from 35’, close to the
street and to the neighborhood it doesn’t work with the spirit of the
ordinance. He remembers when the Amago was built there was a
huge negative reaction towards that building and now looking at
various images that have been created the Amago looks dwarfed
on the north end by this proposed building. He stated there are
ways to mitigate it. If you did not follow the aesthetic of having that
continuous horizontal line and worked with the grade that would
help a lot, however he understands that that would take away from
the architectural vision. What he sees is a beautiful building that
right now is impacting the neighborhood and flies in the spirit of
various ordinances. He stated to Mr. Joblon that based on his
many years of experience this project will have difficulty getting
through the Planning Commission and the City Council.
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Commissioner Lambell reviewed the photos and stated that there is
much more of an impact from the Sandpiper side. She pointed out
the photos that were the most glaring. She agrees that it needs to
fit in better with the scale and scope of the property with a reminder
that views are not protected.
Commissioner Levin asked if Mr. Riveire could address the corridor
lighting concerns and how that will impact out to the west. Mr.
Riveire stated they would probably end up with a lot of indirect
lighting with an approach to having more fixtures as opposed to
overhead lights. The bright light is buried in the middle of the
property where the lobby is located. Mr. Joblon pointed out that
there will be a 6’ overhang, the shutters system 6’ back and then
another 6’ there will be glass that will be glazed and then the
hallway with different types of warm lights. He didn’t think the lights
would ever be an issue.
Commissioner Levin stated that at one time Mr. Bagato made a
statement that height wasn’t within this Commission’s decision
making parameters and asked him to clarify. Mr. Bagato stated
that granting a height variance or the approval of the development
agreement and any exceptions will ultimately come from the City
Council. The ARC will make recommendations based on the
architectural design and the massing in context of the
neighborhood. The Planning Commission will approve the height,
lighting and traffic. He stated that they could recommend approval
for a three story or a terraced building. There are different roads
they can go depending on what the applicant wants to do.
Commissioner Van Vliet agreed that the massing is a real problem
and it needs to be revised down on one or both buildings, terraced
and stair-stepped to make it more palatable to the neighborhood.
Commissioner Stendell stated that the ARC’s task is to look at the
architectural compatibility with the neighborhood and this hotel is an
architectural feat that is very attractive. His only concern was the
height and said that if they were within 10% of their limits he
thought they would have a far greater opportunity of presenting it
and possibly getting it approved by the Planning Commission and
the City Council; but it’s 10’. The interior courtyards and the
entrance have been given far more credits than making the hotel a
compatible part of the community as a whole. He felt that it would
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be difficult to get this approved through the Planning Commission
and the City Council. He liked the architecture and would love to
see a high end boutique hotel some place in the city, close in. It’s
just a matter of making it work.
Commissioner Gregory stated to Mr. Joblon that they needed to
make a decision as to whether they might want a denial without
malice so they can go on with their vision and planning and see
where they end up, or they could choose to subscribe to the
Commission’s comments and modify the design and continue this
project. He thought it was something that could be the applicant’s
choice because the Commission is encouraging the development of
this plan and likes what they are proposing but there seems to be a
concern with the big heavy massing. He asked the applicant if he
had a feeling as to what direction he would like to go.
Mr. Joblon stated that he didn’t know and said that he would like to
take some time to think it through and to understand all their
options. Commissioner Levin stated that they could continue it and
then if they decide not to make the changes and wanted to take it
on to Planning Commission then it would come back to ARC for a
vote. Mr. Joblon wanted to clarify his options. He stated that they
could get a continuance today to figure out what they wanted to do,
then come back in two weeks and stay with it or take a little time to
redesign to try to get an approval through ARC. He then decided
on a continuance to the next meeting.
Commissioner Levin made a motion to continue and Commissioner
Lambell seconded. Commissioner Gregory asked for any further
comments. There being none the vote was called.
Commissioner Gregory stated that he would love for them to
redesign this project because he would like to see this move
forward.
Mr. Bagato asked if the Commission could give the applicant some
instruction to help them along. Commissioner Gregory said that he
wasn’t all that concerned about height but was concerned with
overall height. He felt that if they show the same sensitivity to the
Sandpiper as they did on Ocotillo and reorient the massing they will
be on their way.
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Mr. Joblon asked to have some dialog. They started at point A
with what they needed to do on this property to get a five-star resort
experience. He thought everyone would agree that they would
want to push the mass towards the most commercial part of the
property, which is Highway 74. The other challenging thing is that
no five-star operator will come in here with rooms facing Highway
74, which kills you because that is wasted space. They looked at
this every way possible on how to diminish the mass.
The Commission discussed stepping the buildings back. Mr.
Joblon stated that the front façade when first presented was well
received by the Commission. It has an accordion effect going on
and is a pretty interesting façade for that type of length.
Commissioner Lambell stated that this Commission will never tell
them how to do it so the point being is that the mass is what they
are concerned with and the applicant needs to digest that and see
what comes back at them. If it is still this plan then it can always be
appealed. The Commission is charged with looking at it from an
architectural standpoint and does it fit into the neighborhood.
Clearly at this moment it does not.
Mr. Riveire stated that this is still the same volume regardless of
how it is situated. Their approach was to take the side that was the
least impactful and work the heck out of the façade to get it to a
point where it had depth, rhythm, movement, and lighting. Then
they put piles of trees in front of it. From an architectural point of
view it made a lot of sense. Architects are problem solvers and
that is what he plans to do. He will try to figure out how to
manipulate the mass. He definitely doesn’t want to make it work in
a way that just shifts the problem to someone else.
Commissioner Gregory asked if the premise of a five-star hotel is
reaching too far considering the limitations of the site. He
wondered if they might have better luck thinking more four-star or
maybe not offering so much in such a small package. Mr. Joblon
explained that the money is truly made in the residential, plus there
is an enormous amount of wealth in the desert in a two-hour drive
to San Diego, Orange, and Los Angeles County. The desert has
the largest population of wealth in the United States and people
don’t have any resorts to drive to. Commissioner Gregory believed
that the support would be there for them to move forward with the
project if they could mitigate some of the issues.
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ACTION:
It was moved by Commissioner Levin and seconded by Commissioner
Lambell, to continue Case PP 09-507. Motion carried 5-0-0-2, with
Commissioners Vuksic and Touschner absent.
C. Miscellaneous Items:
None
VI. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Lambell, seconded by Commissioner Levin
to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-0-0-2, with Commissioners Vuksic
and Touschner absent. The meeting was adjourned at 2:15 p.m.
TONY BAGATO
PRINCIPAL PLANNER