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I. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date
Present Absent Present Absent
Chris Van Vliet, Chair X 6
Karel Lambell, Vice Chair X 6
Paul Clark X 6
Gene Colombini X 6
Allan Levin X 6
Michael McAuliffe X 6
Jim Mclntosh X 6
,;� John Vuksic X 5 1
Also Present
Lauri Aylaian, Director, Community Development
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner
Pedro Rodriguez, Code Compliance Supervisor
Janine Judy, Recording Secretary
Cancelled meeting:03/10/15;
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 24, 2015 (incomplete)
Action:
Commissioner Levin moved to continue. Motion seconded by Commissioner
Colombini and carried by an 8-0 vote, with Clark, Colombini, Lambell, Levin,
McAuliffe, Mclntosh, Van Vliet and Vuksic voting YES.
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V. CASES:
A. Final Drawings:
None
B. Preliminary Plans:
1. CASE NO: MISC 15-83
APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: ALDI INC., Attn: Skip Janes, Director
of Real Estate, 1770 lowa Avenue, Suite 240, Riverside, CA 92507
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to
preliminarily approve faCade changes to an existing building within
Desert Crossing; ALDI.
LOCATION: 72-543 Highway 111
ZONE: P.C.-3
Mr. Tony Bagato, Principal Planner, said this project was presented at
the last meeting and the Commission had some concerns with the `
roof-mounted equipment being visible from the street. The applicant
has submitted changes showing the relocation of the largest
equipment piece above the loading dock and increasing the height of
the parapet to hide it. For the smaller equipment, they created a
screening mock-up and the Commissioners reviewed it in the field.
Staff is recommending approval of the changes.
ACTION:
Commissioner Vuksic moved to approve. Motion was seconded by
Commissioner Lambell and carried by an 8-0 vote, with Clark, Colombini,
Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, Mclntosh, Van Vliet and Vuksic voting YES.
2. CASE NO: MISC 15-98
APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: KILBANE ARCHITECTURE, Attn:
Justin Kilbane, Box 997 #C, Carefree, AZ 85577
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to
preliminarily approve a new custom home within Bighorn.
LOCATION: 107 Tekis Place
ZONE: PCD/D "�
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Mr. Tony Bagato, Principal Planner, presented a preliminary approval
of a new custom home within the Bighorn Mountain Course. Generally,
most homes in Bighorn don't come through the Architectural Review
Commission (ARC); however the original approval for the mountain
course had some lots that were potentially visible from Highway 74.
There was a condition placed on the original map stating those homes
shall be reviewed by the ARC to see if they are compatible with the
hillside using natural design features. He presented a PowerPoint of
the plans and pointed out the location on the hillside. He mentioned
that the original grading plan had an area that was hillside disturbed
and said it was a re-naturalized manufactured slope that was
reconstructed as part of the grading. In discussing this with the
applicant it is not structurally sound to support the home right now.
This portion will be removed and reconstructed and re-naturalized to
blend into the hillside. The home is low profile and the pad heights will
not increase more than 6"; which is allowed in the code. If they request
anything more than 6", it would have to go back to the Planning
Commission. Staff feels this is well designed, fits in with the natural
terrain. Staff is recommending approval.
Commissioner Clark said they will have to work on the manufactured
slope and asked if it was visible from Highway 74. Mr. Bagato said it is
�+` visible today and they will have to re-naturalize it as part of the
construction. MR. JUSTIN KILBANE, Architect, said they would like to
make it look a lot better than it is today. They will get more select
boulders that have more of a weathered surface on it than the ones
that currently exist there now.
Commissioner Mclntosh mentioned past discussion about this phase
regarding the line of sight and how close you can build to the slope.
He asked if this was still a part of the requirement. Mr. Bagato said the
only conditions placed on this phase was that these homes were sent
to ARC to make sure they were compatible to our hillside development
standards and blend in with the natural terrain. There wasn't any
discussion on how close to the edge they should be. Commissioner
Mclntosh said on one of the sight sections the building comes right to
the front edge. MR. KILBANE said most of it is patio and pool and is
setback substantially. Commissioner Mclntosh said that is the only
element that he feels won't really blend in because you don't have the
rock wall below it. He and the architect discussed the vertical height of
that element and MR. KILBANE said it will come up within a couple
feet of the top of the slope then there will be a 3' retaining wall to keep
people from falling off. It will be clad with a natural stone veneer that
they have selected for the rest of the house and then the roof will
come up out of that.
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MR. TERRY KILBANE, architect, said they are well within all setbacks
and they are not aware of a slope setback. He pointed out there are
other homes in the area that have many components that go right up
to the edge of the slope. Commissioner Mclntosh said the concern
with the original approval of the hillside homes was how vertical it
would be. MR. T. KILBANE explained that this is a totally open
overhang with no wall fa�ade there and you will be able to see through
that almost 20' back to the main house wall.
Commissioner Vuksic was concerned that one of the bathrooms had a
shower with a large piece of glass and pointed out that there is no
depth to the wall; it is flat. All the other windows are well protected
under considerable eaves. He suggested more articulation where it
has some depth and the glass is recessed deep into that wall. MR. J.
KILBANE said they could bring the overhang from the o�ce across it
and give it some relief.
ACTION:
Commissioner Lambell moved to approve subject to: 1) articulating bathroom
wall to provide more depth around the window; and 2) provide hand-selected
weathered finished boulders for manufactured slope. Motion was seconded
by Commissioner Colombini and carried by an 8-0 vote, with Clark,
Colombini, Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, Mclntosh, Van Vliet and Vuksic voting "'
YES.
3. CASE NO: MISC 15-19
APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: WESTliving, LLC, Attn: Alyce Conti,
5796 Armada Drive, Suite 300, Carlsbad, CA 92008
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to
preliminarily approve the architectural and landscape design for a two-
story, 150-unit assisted living facility with a memory care component
on Lot 4 within Villa Portofino; WESTliving.
LOCATION: 40-235 Portola Avenue
ZONE: P.R.-5
MR. KEVIN SWARTZ, Assistant Planner, said this project was
continued from the previous meeting. He mentioned there were five
items that the Commission recommended that required a response by
the applicant. He stated that the applicant has presented those
changes for the Commission's review.
Commissioner Lambell asked about the carport design and MR. �
GARTH BRANDAW, CB Two Architects, said they are trying to
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integrate solar panels into the design of the carports and they will have
the option to do a number of different things. Mr. Swartz said the
Commission won't see the plan changes again until final drawings.
The Commission felt that would be too late. Mr. Swartz suggested that
the Commission request the plans to come back for review.
The Commission and the applicant discussed the white vinyl windows.
MR. BRANDAW said they are proposing a tan or almond color that will
integrate within the building and work within the trim. They are
comfortable with using a vinyl window product because vinyl has
become a lot better today with newer technology and it works within
this climate.
Chair Van Vliet said he had a difficult time trying to determine what
was actually revised because the scale is so small and details for the
windows were not provided. MR. BRANDAW said the lower elevations
do show more detail of the typical window surrounds. The header and
the sill will both have a 2" depth, which will provide more shadow and
relief. Commissioner Vuksic said it would help if they picked some key
spots and made the walls thicker so that the windows can have some
nice depth to them and it would also help if there were strategic
locations that had thicker walls that would create more character. He
�'' discussed the proportions on the taller elements that are relatively
narrow and pointed out there is way too much stucco above a window
before you get to the eave; it needs more thickness. Commissioner
Clark noticed there were medallions in some of those areas and
Commissioner Vuksic said that would help or maybe in some cases
the window may actually get a little taller. MR. BRANDAW said they
could easily incorporate more window area in that mass.
Commissioner Vuksic and the architect continued to discuss the
roofline, fascia height, gables and shed roofs, flat walls and the
windows. MR. BRANDAW reminded the Commission that at the last
meeting they were comfortable with the south elevation so they tried to
bring that relief and articulation around to the rest of the building. He
totally understands and respects the comments and thinks there are a
couple of areas in particular where this would make a lot of sense.
Commissioner Colombini suggested lowering the roof lines and MR.
BRANDAW said that was a very good point. They are now 3' above
that fascia line and they could probably be more like 2' and it wouldn't
have as much of an eyebrow above the window. Commissioner Vuksic
said there are many ways you can do it by lowering it a bit, or raising
the window, adding medallions and thickening the walls on certain
elements. He stated that 3-dimensional drawings would help a lot.
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Commissioner Vuksic felt there were still some issues with the
ridgelines because of the fairly steep roof; steeper than they're used to
seeing. He feels it is a problem in a couple of areas because the
building is so 2-dimensional in the floor plan layout and he thinks
showing it in 3-dimensional will help sell that. He pointed out a section
of the east elevation that is adjacent to Portola Avenue and feels the
ridgeline is something that needs some attention.
Commissioner Mclntosh said it is a big building and the details need to
be in proportion to the building. Some of these details are the same
scale you would see on single family homes. This mass is multiple
times bigger but it is the same scale and articulation. There are nodes
and modules around to break it up and thaYs where the introduction of
these larger scale elements can be placed and it would read so much
better.
Commissioner McAuliffe said the details have been carried through a
majority of the building and he would hate to have that lack of detail in
certain areas undo the great stuff they have done so far. His primary
concern was making sure that the carports become an extension of
the building and are not an afterthought particularly with incorporating
solar panels on top of them.
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ACTION:
Commissioner Vuksic moved to continue Case No. MISC 15-19 subject to: 1)
submit certain sections of each elevation of the building in a larger scale; 2) in
areas where there are large stucco walls between the windows and roof lines,
consider lowering the roof line to break up the large wall areas; and 3) add
more articulation on the east, north, and west elevations similar to the south
elevation. Motion was seconded by Commissioner Lambell and carried by an
8-0 vote, with Clark, Colombini, Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, Mclntosh, Van Vliet
and Vuksic voting YES.
4. CASE NO: DA/PP/CUP 15-87 -Amendment to DA/PP/CUP 07-11
APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: EL PASEO HOTEL, LLC, Attn: Robert
Leach, 3941 Park Drive, Suite 20-308, EI Dorado Hills, CA 95762
NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to
preliminarily approve a four-story, 154-unit hotel development;
Larkspur Hotel.
LOCATION: 45-400 Larkspur Lane
ZONE: C-1 8� R-3
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MR. TONY BAGATO, Principal Planner, presented for preliminary
approval a four-story, 154-unit hotel development called Larkspur
Hotel.
Commissioners McAuliffe and Mclntosh informed the Commission that
they met with the architect and the developer in an informal setting just
to discuss the previous iteration. They stated that it was a non-
contractual relationship with no financial interest.
Mr. Bagato presented information of the 2006 original approval and
discussed what has already been entitled. The reason it is before this
Commission is because of changes to some of those requirements.
Back in 2006/2007 staff worked on an approval for a hotel which was
considered for 106 rooms and a condominium portion of 48 rooms.
However, after performing all the environmental studies for traffic,
parking analysis and CEQA studies it was based on 154 rooms. The
original approval resulted in a site plan that was very dense because
they were trying to maintain a lower profile than the project you see
before you today. Two masses of architecture were incorporated; one
geared towards a hotel component and the other a residential
component. The Development Agreement (DA) was for three stories,
154 rooms, and all the environmental. If this project was coming back
�" within those same approvals, the Commission could technically
approve it for architectural changes but it is now being proposed for
more than three stories. Because of the changes in the DA, this
project will now have to get an amendment through the Planning
Commission and the City Council.
Mr. Bagato said the applicant focused on the original approval since
this was a hotel component with three stories. This was originally
approved at 31 to 37'; ranging in different heights. It incorporated a
rooftop deck that had a pool and other amenities. It also had a gazebo
that went up to 42' in height so the maximum height approved in the
DA was 42'. Mr. Bagato said the original approval, although limiting
the height, it also created a lot less area for amenities and was very
courtyard based. There was concern that the taller buildings would
create a lot of shadowed areas for the amenities and having more of a
footprint on the ground surface. He discussed the noise concerns with
the roof amenities and the building being located within 10' from a
single-story condominium project to the east. When the Architectural
Review Commission (ARC) first reviewed this project, there was a
concern about how close these buildings would be to the
neighborhood. The ARC recommended tiering some of the building,
but there was still a lot of building mass closer to the condominium
project to the east.
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Mr. Bagato said this site is on Larkspur Lane (Larkspur) just north of
Shadow Mountain and is zoned residential multi-family that allows
hotels with a portion zoned Commercial. One component of the DA is
that it does give them more density as a hotel. This was analyzed and
approved because staff as well as the business community had a lot of
discussion about a crucial component of EI Paseo bringing in a hotel
that will bring in more year round foot traffic to EI Paseo and create a
better shopping experience in our commercial core. He also pointed
out that there has been talk about increasing the heights along
Highway 111 and EI Paseo from three to four stories.
Mr. Bagato discussed the underground parking, the orientation of the
entrance, and the hotel layout. He said because it is a taller building
they are creating more open space and making larger setbacks that
will be more sensitive to the neighbors to the east. He pointed out that
the overall height is 46'-6" for the four stories.
MR. ROBERT LEACH, Project Manager, said he specializes in hotel
projects and has had a chance to watch the evolution of hotels in the
desert over the past 35-40 years. When the site became available a
couple of years ago, they thought it was one of the best hotel sites in
the Coachella Valley. The DA they have requires them to build a four-
star luxury boutique hotel which includes a ballroom, restaurant, day "�
spa, fitness center, pool and spa, room service, and valet parking. It is
a lot of building and they need to be sensitive to the residents and try
to figure out a way to do that. Even though they went taller they tried to
reduce the massing significantly. He presented a PowerPoint
presentation of the massing overlay of their building on top of the old
project and you can see a significant drop in the massing on the site,
which is a big plus. Their intent was to come up with a reduced
massing model that gave them a good luxury hotel and architecturally
they were looking to do something more contemporary. He said that
he is 100% open to hearing the comments from the Commission and
hearing the comments from the neighbors that came out today. His
goal is very simple; he wants to build the best hotel that he possibly
can.
MR. LOUIE DeCARLO, Project Designer, discussed the plans and the
building materials. They felt that it would be nice to have this be a
striking building and something that was cohesive with the desert
architecture, but something a bit different from what was happening on
EI Paseo. The predominant material will be off-white stucco and a
couple of other shades of browns to accent in certain areas. That will
be anchored by a beige getty stone that will have a chiseled look.
Throughout the project there will be decorated insets of the stone
within a really nice stucco face. The faCade itself is three levels, with �'
overhangs, porte-cochere, use of inetal in certain areas, and balconies
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strategically placed in certain areas. Overall, it gives a striking
experience especially as you are driving down Larkspur.
Ms. Lauri Aylaian, Director, Community Development, asked why
there were balconies only on some of the rooms. MR. DeCARLO said
they wanted to give a nice texture to the building and felt that
balconies throughout the whole facade would be to monotone so they
wanted to give a sprinkle of functional balconies in certain areas to
give the faCade a playful appearance and a little more interest. The
Commission and the designer discussed the use of spandrel glass on
the balconies and between the floors. He pointed out where the
spandrel and the clear glass will be located.
Commissioner Lambell said the massing has changed dramatically
and most of it is in the center part of the project or towards Larkspur
which won't bother anybody because it's the parking lot.
Commissioner Clark asked if they had a materials board. Mr. Bagato
said they don't have the board yet, just the exhibits. Commissioner
Clark said for a project of this magnitude the Commission should
review the actual materials.
�`` Commissioner Mclntosh felt the applicant should get the massing
down before they look into the details. He feels the applicant has done
a great job and likes the project and feels there are certain areas of
the building that are a lot more successful than others. He asked how
far they are away from the south side property line. MR. LEACH said
20'. Commissioner Mclntosh said they have done an excellent job by
centralizing the mass east and west, but feels the mass of the building
could use some relief on the south side where it abuts residential
zoning. He would be more comfortable if it didn't go so vertical off
Shadow Mountain. He asked what was going on with the balcony on
the third floor. MR. LEACH said they pulled the fourth floor back from
the street on the south side. Commissioner Mclntosh asked what the
setback rule was. Mr. Bagato said on commercial property the zoning
ordinance was a 2:1 setback per height rule. So if you are getting up to
the taller buildings they should be tiered or stepped back which
doesn't technically apply on this property because it is not in the R-3
zone. He said the original approval had the building 10 to 15' closer to
the property line and the new proposal has been stepped back ten
more feet and they modified the corner to try to address those
concerns. Commissioner Mclntosh said this reads as a strong mass
close to that street where there is residential on the opposite street.
MR. DeCARLO said they did try to address that with terraces on top
with additional architecture. Commissioner Mclntosh said he saw
�"` some articulation there but it still reads as a strong mass. MR. LEACH
said at the end of the unit is 62' wide and is on a land site that is 220'
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wide so they have reduced the massing from almost a 100% coverage
down to 62'. Commissioner Mclntosh said his main concern is the
massing in this environment. He thinks there are great details and
likes the style, but the south end of the building is a little bit troubling.
Commissioner Lambell and the applicant discussed the fourth floor
suites with the huge overhang patio and columns. MR. DeCARLO said
they wanted to give that edge some cohesive with the columns. He
said they can look at that and do something different there.
Commissioner Levin and the applicant discussed where the
mechanicals would be located. MR. DeCARLO described the parapet
heights and said they will screen all the mechanicals. Commissioner
Levin said those are the kind of elements they like to see because
those are above the fourth floor.
Commissioner McAuliffe referred to a couple of exhibits that were
cross sections to the site and said they have made great efforts in
trying to accommodate the neighbors by consolidating the building to
the center of the site. What is really hard to understand is exactly what
that relationship might look like to all those neighboring buildings. He
suggested a sight line study to see where those windows and views
might be in respect to this project. He feels there isn't enough �'
information with respect to where they are headed with this design, but
architecturally they have come a long way with this compared to the
previous design. He had a concern with the mechanicals and what
they are proposing to use. He would also be interested on what has
been done with the landscaping to help soften and mitigate some of
the height and proximity concerns.
Chair Van Vliet pointed out that there is some architectural detailing on
the south side but not really anything on the north side which will be a
lot more visible than they realize.
MR. RON GREGORY, RGA Landscape Architects, described the
landscaping around the entire hotel. He said they are looking at the
entire massing of the development before they get too far into it. They
will plant a lot of trees in the refuse and mechanical equipment area
and pointed out that trees will be planted near the slope of the
underground parking as well. He described the landscape on the
Larkspur side and said this area will be planted with date palms. They
will tier the landscape and the palms will create the tallest elements.
He described the turn-around island for people and traffic entering the
hotel. He said they are handling the 10' space between the neighbors
to the east and where the project is happening. They would like to
plant date palms in that area at a height not yet determined. On the '�
corner of Larkspur and Shadow Mountain they will continue the same
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type of wall and palm trees like on the over side. They have talked
about shifting the other end of the building to the east a little to open
up more room for additional planting on the west side of that southern
most intrusion of the building. They felt that was important to allow
them the opportunity to plant some tall elements such as date palms
on the west side of that particular building between the sidewalk to the
east and the building. Right now there is limited planting area and this
would give them more room to have softening elements available to
make the building look nicer. Continuing around the corner there is a
grove of trees in that area between the street and the building and
their landscape perspective is to plant the heck out of that particular
area. They will continue the date palms towards the east along the
street side of the complex. He closed by saying that it is tough
because it's difficult to conform to the required maximum water use
allocation when they are also trying to create something that speaks
luxury resort and they will deal with that.
Commissioner Clark asked if this meeting was noticed to the
neighbors and Mr. Bagato said generally ARC is not noticed unless
required by the code. After this is reviewed and approved by ARC it
will move on to the Planning Commission and the City Council and will
be noticed at that time.
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Commissioner Levin and Mr. Bagato discussed the 10' drop in height
from EI Paseo to Shadow Mountain. They also discussed the setbacks
and the building mass.
Mr. Bagato opened the floor for public comment. Commissioner
Lambell reminded the public that their comments should only relate to
the architecture.
MS. ALEX JOSEPH stated she has a couple of properties next door at
the Shadow Club. She said within three to four years she will build
another condo on that right next to this hotel. She said that noise
among other things will affect this property more than anybody else in
these units. She would like to get some consideration for that and
asked if they could get a wall higher than the one proposed at 6'. Mr.
Bagato said they could approve a taller wall as part of the project. He
reminded her that the noise would be something that would be
addressed by the Planning Commission. MS. JOSEPH said the
distance will be about 30' from the pool to the wall. She felt the style of
the four story hotel was not cohesive and it is important to minimize
the imprint that it will have on the Shadow Mountain side. She
suggested more terracing on the building.
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MR. JIM SATTLEY said he lives directly behind the hotel and his only
issue is the tower that backs up 10' from their property line; which will
end up being a 60 x 50' high plastered wall. He thought that it could be
moved or terraced. The problem they have with the project is the fact
that they started out at 42' and now are up to about 54'. They are not
against the hotel just that one area. He asked what the top of the
tower would be from Momma Gina's parking lot. MR. LEACH said it
would be 56'-6" tall. MR. SATTLEY pointed out that it is 16' over what
it was supposed to be.
MR. RICHARD KUTCHER asked what the shadow lines would be on
the other properties and wondered if they would be in constant shade.
MR. DeCARLO said they could do a shadow study. MR. KUTCHER
and MR. LEACH discussed the noise from the trash pickup. MR.
KUTCHER asked if the HVAC equipment in that same area would be
muffled. MR. LEACH said a screen wall would be provided.
MS. SYLVIA ELLMORE said she also has a concern with the height of
the tower, and the noises that will come from the cars, underground
parking, ballroom, and restaurants. MR. LEACH said based on the
garage design there won't be a build-up of toxic exhaust. They also
have some control over the parking because it will only be for valet
use. If there is a problem, then it can be addressed by staff. She asked `�
if there was something to make this hotel a little more attractive and
mentioned that it had a "Bauhaus" design. MR. DeCARLO said that is
something they will take a look at.
MS. BARBARA SATTLEY asked about the emergency access area
that is closer to the Momma Gina's parking area and MR. LEACH said
this spot was picked by the Fire Marshal to ensure they have a hose
access not a fire truck access.
Commissioner Clark asked MR. LEACH if they have met with the
neighbors and MR. LEACH said they have had two neighborhood
meetings.
Mr. Bagato recommended that the applicants submit a line of sight
study and also show the impact from the old project to the new.
Commissioner Clark also recommended providing exhibits for a height
and shadow study that would include the adjoining properties.
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ACTION:
Commissioner Lambell moved to continue Case No. DA/PP/CUP 15-87
subject to: 1) adding more relief and interest on south side; 2) review terrace
and columns on third floor; 3) submit a line of sight study with adjacent
properties; 4) submit plans for HVAC location; 5) add more architectural
detailing on north side; and 6) submittal of a shadow study. Motion was
seconded by Commissioner Levin and carried by a 7-0-1 vote, with Clark,
Colombini, Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, Mclntosh, and Van Vliet voting YES and
Vuksic absent.
C. Miscellaneous Items:
None
VI. COMMENTS
None
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Upon a motion by Commissioner Lambell, second by Commissioner Levin, and a 7-
0-1 vote, with Clark, Colombini, Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, Mclntosh, and Van Vliet
�"' voting YES and Vuksic absent, the Architectural Review Commission meeting was
adjourned at 2:45 p.m.
TONY BAGA O, PRIN IPAL PLANNER
SECRETARY
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