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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2018-10-09 CITY OF PALM DESERT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 9, 2018 1. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 12:30 p.m. II. ROLL CALL Commissioners Current Meeting Year to Date Present Absent Present Absent Chris Van Vliet, Chair X 17 Karel Lambe[], Vice Chair X 15 2 Allan Levin X 17 Michael McAuliffe X 15 2 Jim McIntosh X 13 4 John Vuksic X 16 1 Also Present Eric Ceja, Principal Planner Nick Melloni, Assistant Planner Pedro Rodriguez, Supervisor Code Compliance Christina Canales, Assistant Engineer Alex Vasquez, Code Compliance Officer Janine Judy, Recording Secretary Cancelled meeting:2/27/18,4110118 III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes of September 25, 2018 continued to a future meeting. Action: No action taken. ARCHITECTURAL REVirv✓ COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 V. CASES: A. Final Drawings: 1. CASE NO: PP 18-0001 APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: CHRIS MCFADDEN ARCHITECT, 75- 145 St. Charles Place, Suite 4, Palm Desert, CA 92211 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration of final approval of construction drawings; California Desert Association of Realtors. LOCATION: 44475 Monterey Avenue ZONE: O.P. Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner presented the construction drawings for the California Desert Association of Realtors and pointed out that there was nothing specifically requested for these'plans by the Commission. He said it is customary that staff bring the plans forward for the Commission's review and approval. He said staff reviewed the plans to make sure that the applicant provided internal down spouts and roof-mounted equipment that will be screened by the parapet. I ' Commissioner Vuksic reviewed the plans to verify if the applicant provided a roof access and was able to locate the roof hatch and closet on the plans. ACTION: Chair Van Vliet moved to approve. Motion was seconded by Commissioner McAuliffe and carried by a 6-0 vote, with Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, McIntosh, Vuksic, and Van Vliet voting YES. 2. CASE NO: SA 18-0008 APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: KIMLEY-HORN, 3880 Lemon Street Suite 420, Riverside, CA 92501 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to approve four exterior wall signs and a building paint color change; Target. LOCATION: 72549 Highway 111 ZONE: P.C:(3) Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner, presented a sign proposal and an exterior color change for Target and said staff is supportive of the renderings and G\PlenningUanlne JudMRCU Minutes\2018\181009mIn.doc% Page 2 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL RE W COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 the color changes that is in keeping with a desert tone. The other item for consideration is the building mounted signs. He pointed out that any building that has over a hundred feet of lineal frontage requires a sign program and changes to it are reviewed by this Commission. He said staff is recommending approval as the paint color change and the signs are in line with City standards. However in reference to enlarging some of the Target signs, staff is recommending the signs on the south east elevation be reduced in size. Commissioner Vuksic asked the representative for more information on staff's recommendation to reduce the sign on the south east elevation. MR. MIKE SUTTON, Kimley-Horn, explained that previously to this meeting he agreed to the reduction. Commissioner Levin asked if there was an issue with the lighting. Mr. Ceja said staff is requesting that all signs be halo-lit so that the channel is open in the back and the light source is inside that will create a reflection back onto the wall to give it a more elegant look. Commissioner Vuksic asked if this would work with the Target bullseye symbol. Mr. Ceja said staff is recommending that the signs and the bullseye be reverse halo-lit. He also said that the sign code doesn't require that it is halo-lit but it is an option. MR. SUTTON had previously discussed with staff and said he is agreeable to all of staff's recommendations. Commissioner McAuliffe referred to the "target' wording on the front elevation sign and said now that it is going to lower case lettering the descender on the "g" looks like it is crowding the top of the tile border. He suggested they slide it up a bit as there is space shown on the perspective photograph. Commissioner Lambell asked if this is something staff can review and approve. Mr. Ceja said if the Commission approves the recommendations made by staff, the applicant will then revise their packet and bring it back to staff for review and approval. ACTION: Commissioner Lambell moved to approve per staff's recommendation of changes and subject to repositioning the "target" lettering to reduce crowding and return to staff for review and approval. Motion was seconded by Commissioner Levin and carried by a 6-0 vote, with Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, McIntosh, Vuksic, and Van Vliet voting YES. G.\PWn1ng\Jv1ne JudyWRC\1Minutes\2019\181009min.dccx Page 3 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL REV w✓ COMMISSION - MINUTES October 9, 2018 3. CASE NO: MISC 18-0019 APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: EILEEN FISHER, 2 Bridge Street, Irvington, NY 10533 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to approve fagade enhancement: Eileen Fisher. LOCATION: 73505 El Paseo ZONE: D.O. Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner, presented a proposal for a fagade enhancement for a new tenant on El Paseo; Eileen Fisher to replace J. Crew. Staff is recommending approval. Commissioner Vuksic referred to the front elevation and asked how much the applicant intends ,to return the metal edge as it wraps around the bottom. MR. SCOTT DAVES, Architect, said it will return all the way flush against the wall to cover all the wood. To give it some dimension, it will wrap underneath to finish both sides, as well as the top and the bottom and come back about 2". Chair Van Wet referred to the drip edge on top of the metal cap and said the plans show it as an exposed drip edge coming out only a couple of inches. MR. DAVES said it doesn't overlap the edge and you'd have to be on top looking down to see it. Chair Van Vliet said it would be great if they can accomplish this without it going over. MR. DAVES said it is not visible on the store front and other stores with this are not visible from public view. Chair Van Vliet referred to the raised planter on the front elevation shown as 8"tall and asked if it was a free-standing planter. MR. DAVES said it will either be free-standing or fixed and will be a little taller than 8". He asked if the Commission would like it free-standing or fixed. Mr. Ceja said if there is any confusion on this he asked that the Commissioner exclude the planter from this approval and staff will work with the applicant. Commissioner McIntosh said it was interesting that the store name is so low above the awning that sticks out almost 4'. He and the applicant reviewed and discussed the plans and he suggested they consider moving the lettering farther up on the front elevation for better visibility. G.'PlanningVanlne JudMRCV MInutes1201BV81009min.dou Page 4 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL RE W COMMISSION MINUTES. October 9, 2018 ACTION: Commissioner Vuksic moved to approve subject to: 1) excluding the raised planter from approval and applicant working with staff; and, 2) consider moving the Eileen Fischer lettering farther up on front elevation-for better visibility. Motion was seconded by Commissioner McIntosh and carried by a 6-0 vote, with Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, McIntosh, Vuksic, and Van Wet voting YES. B. Preliminary Plans: 1. CASE NO: CUP/PP 16-303 APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: LUMAR DEVCO, LLC. 3835 Birch Street, Newport Beach, CA 92660 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to preliminarily approve architecture for the development of a retail shopping center. LOCATION: SWC Washington Street & Avenue of the States ZONE: P.C:(2) Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner, stated this project for a new Denny's and two pad buildings, located at the old Casey's site at Washington Avenue and Avenue of the States, has returned with changes. He said at the last meeting,the Commission made comments about changing out some of the awnings and replace with metal, look at how the Chevron element at the front entry interacts with the rest of the building, and how the Denny's building and the other pad buildings relate to one another. He said the applicant has made changes based on those comments so the pad buildings not only carry over some of the material but also some of the form from the Denny's building. MR. DAVE GARRISON, Property Manager, said the last time his group was here (9/25/28 - Oral Communications) they presented plans to the Commission showing the different planes to get a better idea of the depth they created with the undulation of the building front. Chair Van Wet referred to the roof plan for the HVAC equipment on the roof of Pad B and C and said it calls out for top of equipment at 4'-6" and suggested they state it as below the parapet height because of visibility from the street. Commissioner Lambell referred to the plants located on the walls for Pad A south elevation and on the walls for Pad B north elevation. She said this Commission doesn't typically approve plants to disguise or soften walls as the plants may die. MR. GARRISON said they will remove the plants but GAPIanningUanlne JudMRC\1 MlnuWs=18U81009mhdocx Page 5 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL REVI'C iif COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 pointed out that the two buildings are only 10' apart. Commissioner Vuksic said .this is true on the south elevation but not on the west elevation and said the buildings have to stand on their own and not depend on plants to make them acceptable. Chair Van Vliet suggested they use fry metal or other detailing to break it up. MR. GARRISON stated they will work with staff on this issue. Commissioner Vuksic referred to the Denny's building and pointed out differences between the 3Ds and the floor plans. He and MR. GARRISON discussed Pads B and C and the recess needed on the walls and windows. Commissioner Vuksic suggested they carry over the thickness from Pads B and C to the Denny's pad. He referred to the east elevation and pointed out a wall with a lot of glass and was concerned with the lack of recess. He also pointed out on the north elevation, a room with a lot of glass that appears flat and not enough space for articulation. He suggested moving the driveway over a bit to give it a little breathing room. He referred to the west elevation and said they need to work on the walls where the windows are because it's pretty massive. He said even the wainscot at the bottom looks completely flat and suggested a change in color and a pop-out element. MR. GARRISON said it is disturbing to them that they are continually redesigning the plans and .they were expecting'to go to the Planning Commission based on this meeting today. He thought with the comments they received at a previous meeting they would move forward. He said they are buying the property from the City and they're about ready to lose financing because of the delays. They are concerned that every time they come back there are major changes to make. Commissioner Vuksic said this wasn't a fair description of what's happened and said the Commissioners keep making the same kind of comments. MR. GARRISON said unfortunately he hasn't been to all the meetings and said this is what he's been told and is passing along the comments in regards to where they think they are with this building. Commissioner Vuksic said Pads B and C have come a long way and MR. GARRISON said it mirrors the comments made on the Denny's building so they brought those changes into those two buildings as well so there is some association with the buildings. However, based on the changes suggested today they may have to go back and look at those two buildings. Commissioner Vuksic didn't think they would have to because they are not changing the style of the building, it's just trying to give it a little more depth so that it reaches an acceptable level and still basically look the same. MR. GARRISON asked the Commissioners if they had the plans they left at the last meeting (9/25/18 — Oral Communication) showing the different thicknesses of the protrusions from the face of the building. He said there is some articulation but it doesn't necessarily reflect in the elevations and GAP1aan1nguan1naaud,vwc\iM!nutes�2018\1e1009mm.dac. Page 6 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL RE'-`W COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 possibly not even the floor plan. He feels they have made some drastic articulation changes on the elevation. Commissioner Lambell said they do not have those changes in front of them and are pointing out to him the problems as they see them now. Perhaps they have been changed but without seeing them it's difficult to approve it. Commissioner Vuksic referred to the roof plan for Denny's and informed MR. GARRISON that this was the first time a roof plan has been submitted for review. He and MR. GARRISON reviewed and discussed the tower, the roof access, and the HVAC equipment. Commissioner Vuksic wanted to make sure that the equipment will not be visible from the street. MR. GARRISON said they will make sure that the equipment will be screened. Commissioner Vuksic referred to Pad C on the west elevation where the glass meets a solid wall at the corner facing the alley way. He was concerned with the corner condition and thinks the glass should turn a little and thicken the wall after the glass turns. He pointed out a similar condition on the north side that is out and a solid wall on the east side with a door in it. MR. GARRISON said they have made changes to the elevations and haven't gotten all the way into the floor plan yet. Commissioner McAuliffe asked the applicant which elevation was accurate and MR. GARRISON said the building elevations because that is what they have been changing not the floor plans. He referred to the north elevation and the two tower elements and one having a shed roof. He suggested they change the proportions of one of the towers because right now they look identical, but one has a shed roof on it. He suggested they take the one on the right side and change its proportions so it looks like a different animal than the one on.the left. Commissioner Vuksic referred to Pad C and was bothered with the west elevation and the 6' high wall that faces the Carlos Ortega Villas, which is 21' high. He pointed out color changes to the building to the right of the tower that were all saying zero and said it looks like there's something going on, but there's really nothing going on. He said the same thing happens as you wrap the corner and go to the south elevation with the same form. MR. GARRISON said this may be an oversight and thinks the intent was to have some projection to it and he will check that out. Commissioner Vuksic said at this point, the Commission is looking at details more than anything to make sure the Denny's building looks substantial and has adequate depth so that it meets a certain threshold as far as the aesthetics. Commissioner McIntosh and MR: GARRISON reviewed and discussed the use of spandrel glass. Commissioner McIntosh was concerned with the large expanse of glass in the restroom area and said that elevation will take on a different character and suggested they submit samples of the glass. G1PImningVanineJudylARM1Minutes=81181009min.do= Page 7 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL REViwl/ COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 Commissioner McIntosh knows the applicant has expressed frustration that this isn't moving through as quickly as they would like, but he hopes the applicant can appreciate that the Commission is struggling through an incomplete submittal. MR. GARRISON said every time they come back there are more changes and apologized for the group since they haven't kept up with all the changes on the floor plans. Commissioner Vuksic pointed out that this makes the fourth time this project has come to the Commission and this is the first time they have seen a floor plan. He feels strongly about this and doesn't believe that this Commission has been inconsistent and hitting the applicant with new stuff. The Commission has been grinding through the initial set of comments where they asked to see roof plans and floor plans and it has taken four meetings to get them. MR. GARRISON apologized for the group. Commissioner McIntosh said it is hard to approve a project like this when there are so many inconsistencies. He said there is opportunity to break up the elevations to give it more depth and character to the buildings. Commissioner McAuliffe mentioned the importance of the thicknesses at the Denny's building and compared it to the transformation of Pads B and C. -ACTION: Commissioner Levin moved to continue Case CUP/PP 16-303 subject to: 1) pages shall be numbered; 2) plans need to match elevations; 3) break up and give more depth and character to buildings; 4) be cautious with how spandrel glass reads; 5) carry over the thickness from Pads B & C to the Denny's pad; and 6) submit updated plans. Motion was seconded by Commissioner Lambe][ and carried by a 6-0 vote, with Lambe[], Levin, McAuliffe, McIntosh, Vuksic, and Van Vliet voting YES. 2. CASE NO: PP 18-0008 APPLICANT AND ADDRESS: 111 MONTEREY PALM LLC,610 Newport Center Drive #1520, Newport Beach, CA 92660 NATURE OF PROJECT/APPROVAL SOUGHT: Consideration to preliminarily approve a new bank building; Chase LOCATION: 72950 Highway 111 ZONE: P.C:(3) Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner, presented a consideration of a new Chase bank building on Highway 111 proposed at the site that was formerly occupied by Denny's restaurant. Chase will demolish the existing building and construct a new building in its place along with landscaping, a right turn pocket onto Highway 111, as well as a drive-thru ATM. He presented a G:\PlanningUanlne JudMRC\7 Minutes\2018\181009m1n.docz Page 8 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL RE:.. W COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 materials board and said the applicant and the architect have worked well with staff in preparing the drawings submitted to ARC and staff is recommending approval. MR. TOM CARPENTER, 111 Monterey Palm, LLC, said he was excited about this project and thanked the Commission and staff for their time and said that working with staff has been a really good collaborative process. Staff outlined what the City's expectations were and pointed out other projects to look at for some design inspiration and was instructed not to start with the Chase proto-type. Chase put a lot of thought into the architecture and received meaningful feedback from staff. Commissioner Lambell said this is a prime location within Palm Desert and this will be a handsome building. She stated as a restaurant the parking was terrible and asked if they looked at the amount of parking needed for Chase. MR. CARPENTER said based on City code 13 stalls are required and they are providing 33. They are more than adequately parked not just per City code but per Chase's internal requirements. Commissioner Lambell pointed out that this Commission likes to see delineation, articulation of the building,either with form, glass,shadow lines, walls, movement and not flat planes. Commissioner McIntosh asked about the materials board and MR. CARPENTER said they provided an updated spec after receiving some direction from staff to provide a warmer looking color as a second option. Commissioner McIntosh asked about the manufactured groove and reveal. MS. JESSICA STEINER, Architect, said they will make it look like a plank with various options. Commissioner McIntosh liked the, rendering with its cool features and said it's all about the detailing on how some of this material will come together. He asked if there will be panels with seams and MS. STEINER said they can make it look like a true plank as depicted on the rendering. Their intent is to not have a bunch of panelized pre-cast materials. Commissioner McIntosh agreed and feels they will lose the character of the architecture if they did that. He said this rendering has a cool, clean, contemporary minimalized look and asked how they will keep the clean look when the material runs along the front and then turns the outside corner without any molding. MS. STEINER said they can do a mitered edge, a corner piece, or a combination of both. Commissioner McIntosh said he likes the way the rendering looks but sometimes it's hard to pull that off when they try to simulate wood. He said there may be opportunities for contemporary instead of forcing a mitre on material that isn't really wood and suggested they consider another type of material like cork. The Commission will be looking at these things to try and preserve the impression the applicant has submitted. He said he liked the richness of the veneer stone on the rendering compared to other materials submitted. He pointed out the monolith grey forms and said it is nicely G:WlanningVJwine JudMRQ1MinuWs12018N181009m1n.dcc% Page 9 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL REbrwV COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 contrasted with more richness and felt it would be nice to have something with a little more contrast. MS. STEINER said they have struggled with the stone and said they can go with a different product of stone if the Commission feels they are not showing enough variety. Commissioner McIntosh asked about the lighting for the building and felt they will have an opportunity for great lighting at night. MS. STEINER said they will have cans under the soffits.and lighting under the awnings around the frame of'the central area that will make glow-down onto the building from the frame structures. She said they would rather light it from the building itself to give it more interest'and to follow the shape of the building as opposed to upAt. Commissioner Vuksic said where there are stone elements you won't have an opportunity to light it from above and said lighting it from below will really enhance the texture of the stone.MS. STEINER agreed. Commissioner McIntosh suggested they submit lighting concepts. Commissioner McAuliffe referred to Prospective 2 and said the parapet return at the stone mass on the front elevation as it returns up and over the top of the building needs to return'deeper over the top of the roof so it doesn't feel quite so stage-like. He also referred to the metal panels and asked if they are gapped and would they be sealing them or just butted tight. MS. STEINER didn't have an answer for that. Commissioner Vuksic referred to the perspective view on the north elevation and pointed out three recesses and said they are shown as stucco. MS. STEINER said it should have a stucco inset. Commissioner Vuksic referred to Prospective 1 and referred to the form by the bike racks and was concerned with the offset or lack of offset from the glass to the cementitious wood product. He was also concerned with the amount of offset from the grey metal panel form that wraps up and over,it that doesn't seem to come out very far from the wood or glass. He thinks given the mass of this and the fact that it is right on Highway 111 he suggested more depth there. MS. STEINER agreed and said it would create better shadows and nicer articulation. Commissioner Vuksic pointed out that the parking lot spaces are deeper than required and the applicant will have extra space to add some depth to that elevation. He then referred to the metal panel leg and cover and said there is a 101/2"reveal and thinks it needs to have more depth. He suggested that they definitely need to have the cementitious material below the glass to create a thicker seal that comes out to the glass. He referred to the south elevation and suggested they add more depth to the metal canopy that wraps around the west side of the building. Chair Van Vliet was concerned with the electrical room door on the south elevation facing Highway 111 and suggested they put the door on the east side.MS. STEINER said they will restudy that. Chair Van Wet also noticed G.\PlanningVaNne Judy\ARC\1 Minutes\2018\181009min.dom Page 10 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL RE..� N COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 switchgear on the floor plan and asked if that will be on the outside and exposed. MS. STEINER said it will be in an alcove with an opening and full access. Chair Van Vliet asked if this will be visible and MS. STEINER said it would be visible from the east. Chair Van Vliet suggested they add doors to hide the switchgear. Commissioner McAuliffe referred to the spandrel glass above the vault room area. MS.,STEINER said two of the six panels will be for the copy room portion of the center section. Commissioner McAuliffe suggested that the applicant be mindful that at night it will read differently depending on the glass color selection. He suggested they submit a color selection for all glass. Commissioner Vuksic referred to the west elevation where there is a form on the left side of the elevation at the entry with wood and metal at the top and the metal wraps around and hits another form and is level with it that you can see up at the north elevation as well. It comes back and hits this form then takes it out to Highway 111. He asked the applicants what they thought about this. MS. STEINER referred to the roof plan and said they purposely connected the tower on the north and south so they didn't become set-like and in doing that it only made sense to connect them and do a central roof volume which you can see on the roof plan. Commissioner Vuksic referred to the roof ladders with big hoops occurring on both sides of the building and was concerned that they are going to pop- up above the parapet line. Commissioner Lambell said this Commission does not approve of exterior roof ladders and asked the applicant if they can drop down on the inside as a roof hatch. MS. STEINER said Chase typically likes to do mechanical wells which is a by-product of multi-level roof structures. The Commission and the applicant discussed how the roof ladders will go up to the central volume to get out to the outer wings of the building. Commissioner Vuksic was still concerned that this will be visible and how they will move around on the roof. He suggested they revisit the roof access and show this Commission how it will work. MS. STEINER said they will restudy the roof access. ACTION: Commissioner Lambell moved to continue Case PP 18-0008 subject to: 1) stone color needs to be richer; 2) the stone form on the east elevation needs to return further onto the roof; 3) submit glass color selection for spandrel glass, as well as other glass; 4) the roof access needs to be revisited and better articulated as to how it will work; 5) submit a 3-D rendering; 6) move electrical room door to the east elevation; 6) add more depth to the metal canopy that wraps around the west side of the building; 7) the mass at the southeast corner shall have more depth added to all parts; 8) add doors to hide switchgear; and, 9) submit lighting concepts. Motion was seconded by Commissioner Levin and carried by a 6-0 vote, with Lambell, Levin, McAuliffe, McIntosh, Vuksic, and Van Wet voting YES. G9PIannin9VanlneJudyWFCVMinutes@0181181009min.dom Page 11 of 12 ARCHITECTURAL REviwV COMMISSION MINUTES October 9, 2018 C. Miscellaneous Items: Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner, stated that the City is planning to develop a comprehensive sign program for City Hall to address signage for identification around City Hall, Civic Center Park, Aquatic Center, YMCA and the Community Center. Staff will work with the Parks Commission to develop the program on what needs to be identified and locations for the signs. Staff will submit proposals for sign companies and architects to develop the master sign program. He asked the Commissioners who would .like to help work through the design process. Commissioner McAuliffe volunteered'for the project. VI. COMMENTS Mr. Eric Ceja, Principal Planner, informed the Commission that the Hotel Paseo sub-committee met with the developer, Bob ,Leach, to discuss the "as built" conditions that exist at the hotel. Mr. Leach informed the committee that he will have an opportunity to,revise some things on the building that will enhance the existing hotel,and should have some new renderings to submit to the Commission the summer of 2019. VII. ADJOURNMENT Chair Van Wet moved to adjourn the Architectural Review Commission meeting at 2:35 p.m. ERIC CEJA PRINCIPAL PLANNER SECRETARY A I E JU RDING SECRETARY G9P1ann1ngUw1n9JudyWRC\1MInutes1201aU81009min.do" Page 12 of 12