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Home My WebLink About07-21 Draft Minutes �'�� MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION ' TUESDAY — JULY 21, 2009 6:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER • ' 73-510 FRED WARING DRIVE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I. CALL TO ORDER Chairperson Tanner called the meeti o rder at p.m. II. ROLL CALL Members Present: Van Tanne ; ir � Connor Limon ' e S ia Campbell eLuna �,� �!,, °�,, Members Absent: Non .��'`;. e Staff Pr . auri A , Director o Community Development � �� ob Har ves, Deputy City Attorney ill Tremb f Best, Best & Krieger agat rincipal Planner ` '"P Assistant Planner /� //////%///// �� ^ '' ,e �/�� Mark G're wood, Director of Public Works O/////d�� Page Garner, Senior Engineer/City Surveyor ��!� hristina Canales, Assistant Engineer �� y�� ya Monroe, Administrative Secretary III. ��//////j LEDGE O LLEGIANCE �� j er anner led in the pledge of allegiance. � Chairp son Tanner asked for a moment of silence in honor of former City Manager Carlos L. Ortega, who passed away that morning. IV. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION Ms. Aylaian summarized pertinent July 9, 2009 City Council actions. V. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None. MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION JULY 21� 2009 VI. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Request for consideration of the July 7, 2009 meeting minutes. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Limont, sec ed by Commissioner DeLuna, approving the July 7, 2009 meeting ' s. Motion carried 4-0-1 (Commissioner Schmidt abstained). VII. CONSENT CALENDAR None. VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS Anyone who challenges any hea er in court may be limited to raising only those i he, she o eone else raised at the public hearing described h ' written espondence delivered to the Planning Commission r the p earing. A. Ca ISC 0 9 ` . URRUTIA, Applicant g ,e�� uest fo proval wer an existing pad for a portion of ��r e propert `� allow fo arage and entry motor courtyard 'r .. e C . Esta at Ironwood Country Club at 49- $. U� i ,��;, � � Assi PI ' Kevin Swartz reviewed the staff report and � recom ed a . , val, subject to the conditions. �y � � � � Chairperso anner opened the public hearing and asked the � plicant to ress the Commission. \ �� ANK URRUTIA, Urrutia Architects, 165 Luring Drive � � Im Springs, California, identified himself as the architect r this project. He wanted to explain that there are several of these lots that are quite high above the street. He said this particular lot ranges anywhere from five feet to almost eight feet on one end above the street level. The homeowner's association guidelines have a requirement that they cannot exceed 12% slope for a driveway. If he were to comply with that requirement, the driveway would actually extend past the center of the lot, which would make it very impractical to 2 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION JULY 21, 2009 provide a home there. Another requirement is that they have to have a motor court to provide two parking spaces, two guest parking spaces, and they have to be screened. Based on those two requirements, this was the solution they came up with, to lower the garage and the upper portion of the lot in order to accommodate the motor court. It was only the front portion of the lot. They were not alte ' any other part of the pad. He asked for any questio„ �` o present was their civil engineer if they had any '" ons regarding the flood issues. Commissioner Limont indicated sh d some q , ,, 'ons of the project engineer. �:. MR. RON FEIRO, 75-1`-, erald For, rive, Suite ��=., alm Desert, stated that he wa` en ' or this project. Commissioner Limo ed that the� report said that in 2003 Tetra Tech said that-, levation � the rough grading did not protect lots from flo :. ' g.- was a ndous flood back in the late 1970's, and a res' at � washes were re- engineere -built. I , I "' ap and looked at the lot loca ' od, it that th Iluvial plain seemed to pre come n that , . ;;;% Feiro r t he � 'ewed both hydrology studies for th `y in their packet was right in front ��of t . It divided site into drainage areas. A certain ion ins to one place, another portion drains to er. all divided and each of those areas as part of �� the dy, it ulated the predicted flow within those areas. �� Wha e was referring to about the pad heights being chan , he hadn't seen that, so he didn't know what �� rea g there was or what explanation there was for doing ��t I he could go by were the two approved reports, and of them were clear about the area tributary to this lot. He said it was about a portion of six lots that drain into the street and drain past this lot at a flow rate predicted of about six cubic feet per second. Also in the same report was street capacity calculation, which basically said this is the street and the tract and based on this cross section of the street, it calculates flow rates for different steepnesses of the road. So he took the steepness of the street that their survey crew 3 , MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION JULY 21� 2009 measured in front of this lot and calculated how much the tract hydrology had predicted that street could handle. It was predicted it could handle about 13 cubic feet per second. So from the reports that were approved, the street is capable of carrying even twice the hundred year storm. The pad height, like Mr. Urrutia explained,," six to eight feet above the street; he wasn't sure how th § e to be, but he would be very surprised if it was be of some flooding issue. As modern subdivisions de �' u protect it from flooding. That was the whole pu- e o ' , two hydrology reports. They wouldn't leave ` nd new '' n tract with lots with that potential. �:; �' �;s Commissioner Limont said t'" hope no he reason ` as asking is because obviously the �,`y e t erts and they h ve a wonderful reputation and she wa � , stioning that. She was just trying to get so rity here b�`'` e she looked at it from a standpoint that if t owner in an independent engineer, they are in a muni��x = d are following the guidelines there, and t wner ins�" ce company, etc. etc., it wa the Ci a she did think it was worthw � ques cause th get a summer flood or a de , ood an` ey are ressive, that's all. So she was just loo at it from , standpo 'f they get hit with this water, it is comin' � wnhil '' y rive and goes right in. Her question as jus �� entence in there that says, "The � gy � that was su�' N itted ascertained that the approved , elev di ��;,,q adequately protect the lots from flooding." She was wo ing i �;N was misreading that or if because the way the �� lots were p th` �� acts had changed. �� , , Mr. F didn t know how to respond to that since he hadn t � rea �� at she just read. He just knew from both reports that � �� t ` � off from the mountains didn't come into the streets � onto the pad. It was very deep at 15 feet plus deep annel that collects the runoff from the mountains and channels it down to the golf course around the pads. He didn't think any part of this had been designed for the runoff from the mountains to come onto the streets. Commissioner Limont said that was exactly what she was looking for and thanked him. 4 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION JULY 21. 2009 There were no other questions. Chairperson Tanner asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR of or in OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was closed. Chairperson Tanner asked for Commission comments. Action: It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, sec ed by Commissioner Limont, approving the findings as presented b . Motion carried 4-0-1 (Commissioner Schmidt abstained). It was moved by Commissioner Cam , se d by Commissioner Limont, adopting Planning Commis Resolutio . 2509, approving Case No. MISC 09-299, subje conditions. carried 4-0-1 (Commissioner Schmidt abstai IX. MISCELLANEOUS None. X. COMMITT TING � A. IN PU ,; C PLA ; �, , ., eeti y,;,��,, ery f" �� y�.'b LAI� APE COM' E � eeti � � C. PAR & RE REATION � Ch \ son Tanner reported that there was a meeting, but he was �, �u to attend. D. OJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE Commissioner Schmidt noted that the meeting was postponed. XI. COMMENTS None. 5 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION JULY 21. 2009 XII. ADJOURNMENT It was moved by Commissioner DeLuna, seconded by Commissioner Campbell, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0. The meeting was adjourned at 6:13 p.m. d, �� . ,�,,, >,,��;�•;,rtl,t� LA �� '�� LAIAN, Secretary ATTEST: `� ��, �; VAN G. 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