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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY – DECEMBER 2, 2008
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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Tanner called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Van Tanner, Chair
Sonia Campbell, Vice Chair
Russ Campbell
Connor Limont
Mari Schmidt
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, Deputy City Attorney
Renee Schrader, Associate Planner
Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner
Phil Joy, Associate Transportation Planner
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Limont led in the pledge of allegiance.
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Request for consideration of the November 18, 2008 meeting minutes.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Limont, seconded by Commissioner R.
Campbell, approving the November 18, 2008 meeting minutes. Motion
carried 5-0.
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V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Ms. Aylaian summarized pertinent November 20 and November 24, 2008
City Council actions.
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PP 07-07 – PREST VUKSIC ARCHITECTS, Applicant
Request for approval of a first one-year time extension for a
17,600 square foot professional office building at 44-450
Monterey Avenue.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner R. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion carried
5-0.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Case No. TPM 36137 – MOLLERS GARDEN CENTER, Applicant
(Continued from November 18, 2008)
Request for approval of a tentative parcel map to subdivide a
12.17-acre parcel into four parcels for sale purposes. The
property is located at 72-235 Painters Path.
Ms. Grisa reviewed the staff report and recommended approval of Case
No. TPM 36137, subject to the conditions contained in the draft resolution.
Commissioner Schmidt asked Ms. Grisa to point out the location of
the Hillside Residential property; she did so.
Chairperson Tanner asked if the open area behind Parcels 2, 3 and
4 was also zoned Hillside Residential. Ms. Grisa replied that it was
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zoned Open Space and anything above the toe of the slope, which
was one of the conditions of approval, was to remain as Open
Space.
Commissioner Limont asked for confirmation that if Parcel 1 was
ever sold, they wouldn’t be able to develop it; the condition was to
leave it as Open Space. Ms. Aylaian clarified that after going
through the same process as this one, it could be further
subdivided. Commissioner Limont asked if that was one of the
issues brought up at the last meeting with regard to the Map Act.
Mr. Hargreaves explained that was one of the concerns he had and
he talked with the City Engineer and Planning staff and basically
they decided under appropriate circumstances, it would be alright to
subdivide that remainder parcel as long as there was an Open
Space Covenant placed on the hillside. They had to be careful
about the way it is done, but if the City Engineer and City staff felt
that under these circumstances it could be appropriate, he thought
the issue had been addressed.
Ms. Grisa stated that at this time there were no plans to build on
that parcel, but the property owner did not want to restrict it for
future buyers or selling the property later on.
Commissioner Schmidt said it looked like Parcel 2 is approximately
a third of an acre, Parcel 4 is about the same, and Parcel 3 is about
a half or a little less, so Parcel 1 was 10 or 11 acres; Ms. Grisa said
that sounded right. Commissioner Schmidt asked what the
restriction would be on Hillside. Ms. Aylaian said one dwelling unit
per five acres. Commissioner Schmidt said that would mean two
houses. Mr. Hargreaves explained that in this case, the map
required that a covenant be placed on the hillside to maintain it as
Open Space so there would be no homes on the hillside.
Commissioner S. Campbell indicated that if Parcel 1 was sold, it
would have to come back to the Planning Commission if they
wanted to subdivide it. Ms. Grisa informed them that they would
have to go through another tentative parcel map application, but the
Open Space shown would remain as Open Space. The space
above the parcel map was Hillside Planned Residential; below that
was Open Space, and that wouldn’t change. Commissioner
Schmidt reiterated that the existing Mollers could be developed
eventually; that is what happened to the Palapas (garden center in
Palm Springs), and now it is all condominiums; that was why she
was asking.
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Chairperson Tanner opened the public hearing and asked the
applicant to address the Commission.
MR. JOHN SANBORN of Sanborn A and E in Rancho
Mirage, concurred with staff and the findings. He said the
hillside, as staff had indicated, would remain as Open Space
and there was no development plan for that. The area
currently occupied by the nursery, sometime in the distant
future possibly could be subdivided into something else, but
the Mollers have no plans of doing that now or in the
foreseeable future. He appreciated the Commission’s time
and staff and the work they had been able to do in the past
week.
Chairperson Tanner asked for testimony in FAVOR of or in
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was none. Chairperson
Tanner closed the public hearing and asked for Commission
comments or action.
Commissioner S. Campbell moved for approval. Commissioner R.
Campbell said he had no problem with the request and seconded
the motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
R. Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried
5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2490, approving
Case No. TPM 36137, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
B. Case No. PP/TPM 08-191 - URBAN HOUSING COMMUNITIES,
LLC, Applicant
Request for recommendation to the City Council of Palm
Desert to approve a request by Urban Housing LLC, for
approval of a Change of Zone (CZ), a Tentative Parcel Map
(TPM), and a Precise Plan (PP) of design to allow the
construction of 144 affordable housing units with amenities.
The proposal will change the zone from Planned Community
Development (PCD) to Planned Residential 14 dwelling units
per acre (PR-14) and subdivide an 11.8 acre parcel into two
(2) lots to accommodate future Childcare Facility not a part
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of the project. The proposed project is located on the south
th
side of 35 Avenue between Gateway Drive and Cortesia
Way (C Street), also known as APN 694-130-005. A
Mitigated Negative Declaration resulting from an
Environmental Assessment pursuant to the California
Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) has been prepared for
the proposed project and is on file in the City of Pam Desert
Planning Department.
Ms. Aylaian explained that a continuance was being recommended and
advised opening the public hearing and then continuing the matter to the
next meeting on December 16, 2008.
Chairperson Tanner opened the public hearing and asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR of or in OPPOSITION to the public hearing.
There was no one. Chairperson Tanner left the public hearing open and
asked for a motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Limont, seconded by Commissioner S.
Campbell, continuing Case No. PP/TPM 08-191 to December 16, 2008.
Motion carried 5-0.
C. Case No. PP 08-309 – WARE MALCOMB MALCOMB
ARCHITECT, Applicant
Request for approval of a Precise Plan of design to construct
a single story 6, 474 square foot office building for the
California Teachers Association located at 75-084 Gerald
Ford Drive.
Ms. Grisa reviewed the staff report and recommended approval, subject to
the conditions contained in the draft resolution.
Commissioner Limont asked if the maximum height was 22 feet to the top
of the parapet. Ms. Grisa consulted with the applicant who confirmed that
it was 22 feet.
There were no other questions and Chairperson Tanner opened the public
hearing and asked the applicant to address the Commission.
MR. ALBERT BARCELLO, Ware Malcomb Architects in Irvine,
California, thanked staff for their assistance in the design of their
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project. They looked forward to moving forward and thought they
accommodated staff in terms of the design and adjacent areas, felt
they addressed them accordingly and had an exceptional project
designed for the community.
Chairperson Tanner asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR of or in
OPPOSITION to the proposed project. There was no one and the public
hearing was closed.
Commissioner S. Campbell noted that the applicant went through quite a
few meetings before Architectural Review and she was happy to see the
vote was 7-0. She thought they did a good job and congratulated them.
She moved for approval.
Commissioner Limont expressed concern about vehicular access into
D’Mundo Tile posing a hazard and suggested that it was something for the
City to look at maybe later on, but if driving from west to east, if they
wanted to turn into D’Mundo Tile, it was dangerous. She didn’t take time to
look at pulling in and how this would all work in the final process, but it
was something they should be looking at. The only way to get into
D’Mundo Tile from Cook Street, you have to do a full U-turn and was a
hazard and she wanted to make sure they were paying attention to that.
Chairperson Tanner asked if there were any plans to connect the access
to the Candlewood site, the Goody’s site, and the D’Mundo site north to
Interstate 10. Ms. Aylaian said no, not that she was aware of and deferred
the question to the Public Works representative. Mr. Joy indicated that the
internal circulation within that one subdivision has a ring road that goes
inside there. The subdivision to the east of that, he believed, had some
sort of joint access between the two projects. Staff usually requested
those so that traffic didn’t have to go out onto the street to go from one
center to the other. He believed there was some kind of cut thru there to
get from one project to the other. Chairperson Tanner said it might help
the process, but it certainly was a problem.
Commissioner Limont wanted to make sure they were aware of it, took a
look at it, and made sure they didn’t bypass it. She agreed with Co-Chair
Campbell that Architectural Review did a good job dressing up the building
a lot and thought that area suffered from some mediocre architecture and
this was a nice building.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Schmidt, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
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It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2491, approving
Case No. PP 08-309, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
D. Case No. CUP/PP 08-263 – THE LIVING DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of a request by the Living Desert,
located at 47900 Portola Avenue, for a Conditional Use
Permit per Municipal Code Section 25.38 and for a Precise
Plan Amendment. The request would revise the original
Living Desert plan to construct, (in four phases), new
zoological exhibits and a new entry complex as follows:
Phase 1: African lion, meerkat, rock hyrax enclosures,
Phase 2: crocodile, tortoise, lovebird, serval enclosures,
Phase 3: future entry complex/events building, Phase 4:
future hyena and rhinoceros enclosures.
Ms. Schrader stated that approval of Conditional Use Permit and Precise
Plan 08-263 would allow the applicant to expand 6.55 acres of vacant land
within the interior portion of the original Living Desert to construct those
four phases. She gave a detailed staff report, and then distributed a
packet of pictures and a survey of national zoos, which she explained was
where there are African lions and where they are in proximity to residential
areas. It was compiled by Terrie Correll, the Director at the Living Desert.
She said there were only a few outstanding comments, most of them were
positive, and in the staff report, the method for addressing the containment
of the lions, including the sound they might make, had been expressed
where there is basically excavation, berming and walls. The hope was that
the noise itself would not be an issue at all. Also included in the packet
was a study of parking. Basically, throughout the nation the number of
visitors and parking that is provided, and it turned out that the Living
Desert is well within the ranges, so right now it is in great standing in that
regard. She stated that the proposed expansion conforms to all zoning
regulations and indicated that impacts were very minimal. She thought the
Living Desert could be counted on to make a very aesthetic contribution to
the region. It could be concluded that the facility would be favorable and
staff recommended approval with the conditions attached to the draft
resolution.
Commissioner Limont asked if they had talked to folks that live close by,
like at the Reserve. Ms. Schrader said she did have visitors come to the
public counter who commented that they really enjoy the animal noises in
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the morning. They actually hear wart hogs and the animals clamoring for
their humans to come and feed them, and they enjoyed it very much.
There were some other concerns; she wasn’t sure if those people were in
the audience or not and wasn’t sure she should speak for them or not, but
they were concerned about noises that were not animal noises, noises
that upset the animals having to do with fireworks and things like that.
Other than that, it was very positive living near the Living Desert and
hearing any kind of noises, as far as the zoo was concerned.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked where the fireworks were coming from.
Ms. Schrader said it was her understanding that they come from both the
Vintage and the Reserve. They were from individual residential partiers--it
wasn’t from the Living Desert.
Commissioner Limont asked during the season, and during the holiday
season, if the parking was difficult because of so much going on at the
Living Desert. She asked if, as of today, we have had parking issues
there. Ms. Schrader hadn’t heard of any complaints from residents and
noted that this was actually noticed well in advance because of the
Negative Declaration, so there was an opportunity to hear if anyone had
complaints. She knew there were a couple of events, recent events, that
weren’t always there, like the Earth Day event, etc., which caused some
parking on Portola, but they didn’t have residents complain to Code
Enforcement that she was aware of. Commissioner Limont noted that the
Living Desert has expanded their classes and a lot of really good things,
and she thought they needed to really look out for that neighborhood. That
is a wonderful neighborhood, it’s very sweet and a lot of people walk, and
they wanted to make sure there weren’t a lot of cars on the street.
Chairperson Tanner asked how many parking spaces were available right
now. Ms. Schrader replied 635 total for the guests. Chairperson Tanner
pointed out the open area just southwest of the parking area along Portola
and asked if it could be used now for additional parking. Ms. Schrader
wasn’t sure how the Living Desert attended to their spillover when they
have holiday events, etc., and asked that the question be directed to the
applicant as to what happened to that area when it gets really full. When
speaking with staff, the area near the giraffe exhibit was almost empty all
year round and it was only during event times when it becomes really full.
Chairperson Tanner asked about that area as they add attractions. Ms.
Schrader pointed out the existing parking and the employee parking and
noted that there appeared to be a building there and wasn’t sure how the
area would accommodate an expansion of the existing parking. Ms.
Aylaian noted that one of the conditions of approval in the draft resolution
before them required that before they get to Phase 3 of the expansion,
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which is really where the vehicle intensive use would be for the
conference center or things that would actually draw more people, a
parking study and a parking management plan would be required. For the
first two phases, staff didn’t anticipate that the use would increase the
number of people using the parking.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked if they would return to Planning
Commission when Phase 3 was started. Ms. Schrader thought the Public
Works and Planning Departments would make sure that the parking
management plan was to staff’s satisfaction; otherwise, they would have
to bring it back if for some reason they felt it wasn’t satisfactory.
Commissioner Schmidt asked if it was a condition. Ms. Schrader said yes.
It was in the staff report and in the resolution.
There were no other questions for staff. Chairperson Tanner opened the
public hearing and asked the applicant to address the Commission.
MS. TERRIE CORRELL of Palm Desert, and SCOTT RAMSER,
the architect, from Wichita, Kansas, came forward. Ms. Correll
thanked the Commission and the staff for all their hard work and
effort on their project. They looked forward to Lion Ridge and it
would be one step closer to completing their master plan.
Regarding parking, Ms. Correll clarified that right now they allow
staff to park in the lot, which she believed was 100+ spaces that
Renee quoted. At any time, they could request staff to park in off-
exhibit or service areas that they have designated as staff parking.
They could also create additional staff parking.
She said Thanksgiving weekend is their biggest weekend at the
Living Desert, and she had volunteers and staff out counting
parking spaces, because she thought this might be a question
during the day time. At no time on Friday, Saturday or Sunday was
the parking lot full. In fact, Friday, they had 81 available spaces at
the peak, and the high end on Sunday, 520 spaces were available.
So it was taken over times at 11:00, 12:00, 1:00, 2:00 and 3:00
o’clock, their peak visitation times. So the same could be said for
Wild Lights which opened that weekend as well. At no time did they
fill the lot. She thought that might be useful.
Mr. Ramser thanked the staff and thought this non-traditional
project required a few extra things as far as looking at it and trying
to figure it out. The one thing he wanted to stress was the exhibit
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and architecture they did was all in keeping with the existing
development and architecture that exists at Village Watutu and the
giraffe exhibit. They were doing similar things and trying to enhance
what is there.
There were no questions for the applicant. Chairperson Tanner asked for
testimony in FAVOR of. There was no response. He asked for testimony
in OPPOSITION to the proposed project.
MR. PATRICK G. BEDROSIAN, P.O. Box 272 in Palm Desert,
California, stated that he has a place on Ocotillo Court in Corsican
Villas. He stated that he didn’t necessarily agree with everything
that had been said. One of the things he found just going out the
gate sometimes is people will be leaving the Living Desert, and
because they are following each other, they don’t all stop. If you are
trying to turn left out of Corsican there, there are continuous cars
coming out because the one person is following the one ahead. But
he would follow what he had (referring to a letter he submitted
before the meeting started). He said these were things that have
actually happened.
His first objection, and they were talking about how nice it looks
inside for the animals, but his first objection is he came to City Hall
when they were in the process of putting up the chain-link fence
along Portola, which by the way, he didn’t think they would approve
a chain-link fence anywhere in Palm Desert in a residential
neighborhood. Was he right? He knew he was. He worked for the
City. They put up a chain-link fence along Portola with some
barbwire. When he brought that to the staff’s attention, he was told
that nothing could be done about it because it is in Indian Wells.
Now when he sees this, he didn’t want to call anybody anything, but
basically it wasn’t the truth. If there is a concern, the concern
should be what the appearance is from the road, what the rest of
them have to comply with. The barriers, if they are putting up
barbwire and those kinds of fences, should be on the other side of
the parking lot internal to the complex. What is along the road
should have to go through the same kind of thing any other project
has to do in the city. To him it was wrong, and if they wanted to do
anything, that’s where they needed to start.
His second objection was high noise levels. When he lived there in
his condo, he had to take a flight, and it had to do with the City, and
there was a party going on there and the music was actually
vibrating his roof. He could hear all the people getting on the loud
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speaker. He called law enforcement several times and nothing
happened because it was in the Living Desert. When he talked to
them and complained, they offered him some passes. He was not
interested in some passes. He was interested in maintaining a high
level neighborhood. He moved in there in 1987 and the reason why
they were there, and it’s changing in the desert and he understood
that, was because they could see the stars, they could hear a pin
drop, and the animals they hear are coyotes once in a while. He
didn’t want to change that. He was sorry, but he didn’t.
He didn’t want a convention center there; he didn’t want any more
traffic there. Traffic has to do with ambient noise levels. He knew
about them and has enforced them. So it has to do with ambient
noise levels and when they bring that kind of traffic in there, they
change the ambient noise levels. When they change the ambient
noise levels that allows people to get louder in other things they do
because it is based on ambient noise levels. The ambient noise
level in that area before they changed the Living Desert from what it
used to be to protect the bighorn sheep, they were heading toward
it being a zoo. When he moved there, that wasn’t the idea. He
always thought, gee, this is great, he has all these nice
neighborhoods around him, and besides that, he has a place that is
not going to be a problem.
Mr. Bedrosian said basically it affects their right to enjoy their
property, it affects their peace and quiet and the value of their
property. He didn’t think it should keep changing. If anything, it
should go backwards. If they wanted to make a zoological park,
they should do it near I-10, or use the Vintage gate as the entrance
to this place and see how quickly that would change the way they
donate their money. The rest of them have to live with it; it was on
the Vintage’s side gate, not at their front gate.
So it was traffic, noise, pollution. He thought she said 14 or 18 bus
spaces. That is an indication of how much traffic they are really
talking about. That was not normal. Would they like 14 or 18 diesel
trucks coming down their city street? No, they would not. And
Portola is their city street. That was part of what’s wrong. The
activities there should be limited. The hours should be limited.
They have Sandpiper who made all kinds of noise. They had some
really good businesses that were going to bring revenue to the City
and the City built a park there. The reason why the City built a park
there was because every business that tried to get in there,
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Sandpiper pitched a complaint about and there was no business
there and it is a commercial zone. They have had businesses that
get a complaint from outside the city, and he was familiar with all of
this. They get a noise complaint from someone that lives in Rancho
Mirage, and yet they will come down on the business, and he lives
within the neighborhood there and basically it is going to be
ignored. He didn’t think so.
Mr. Bedrosian said there are 130 units in their complex. Granted, all
of them didn’t border this place. But from his own experience, he
also has a home in Indian Wells, when these events happen in the
hotels, or whatever, he couldn’t open up his windows when it was
nice weather. Why? Because of the loud speakers and he lives all
the way by Fairway and he could hear someone on their
loudspeaker at the Hyatt or at the Esmeralda. None of them want
that in their neighborhood, and they shouldn’t have it. They didn’t
pick a location where they would be dealing with any of this.
To him it has just gotten worse, and they were just trying to make
more of the same and it was wrong. The indication to him is
someone showing him a hut and how it‘s going to look nice for the
lions. He didn’t care about that. They spent money on their
entryway and on their fence. His development has some old fence
that is grandfathered in, but the Living Desert put in a brand new
fence that’s illegal and no one at the City did anything about it. He
would actually use the word now because he saw the property, the
actual city limits, and they lied to him. And that’s wrong. And that
was high levels that lied to him. It’s got to stop.
When they make exceptions for things that are non-profit or
whatever it is, things happen like what happened in La Quinta.
Someone goes in to make the change, the next thing you know
they are tearing up the mountainside and now it would be
something different. That’s what happened here. It’s going to be
something different than what they started out with: saving the
bighorn sheep.
Convention center? They have Desert Willow and all kinds of
places. How much traffic and how many people can go in that
convention center? Would they want that by their house? He didn’t
think any of them did. He also didn’t think there was one person
that wanted 18 buses, buses idling, vehicles running and polluting
the air. They like to be able to walk. That’s a walking neighborhood
and always has been. Let them put it behind Bighorn and see what
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kind of scrutiny they get. Just because they don’t have million dollar
homes doesn’t mean they don’t have rights as citizens. And the
people that are donating money, they are donating money to a
good cause, but he knows some of them. Where their other fancy
homes are outside the city, if someone was to put a zoo next to
their house they would have a fit.
Mr. Bedrosian thought they should think twice about allowing any
expansion of that place at all. He thought they had already done too
much, and he thought they did a lot of it without approval, because
that parking lot expanded. Did they get a notice that the parking lot
was going to expand? Did they get a notice that the fence was
going to go up on Portola? No. He knew they didn’t because he
questioned that fence when it went in. So it was okay, they were
going to reward people for doing things illegally and then give them
more. He didn’t think so. That was his objection and the rest were
in his letter.
His neighbors, a lot of them voice the same opinion. He originally
wasn’t going to come here and was glad he did, because the more
he heard, the more he doesn’t like it. He thanked them.
MR. VOLKER NIEWISCH, 73856 Ocotillo Court, said he was not a
professional at this and got a very professional and polite briefing, a
lot of patience, from Ms. Renee Schrader. He thanked her for that
and said it was very interesting. He was there as a resident who
loves Palm Desert. He has been there since 1985 and lives in the
Corsican Villas complex.
He had questions and asked if they could be addressed to the
applicants, or to assume that all of them know all the details.
According to the mailing they received from the City, they were
proposing Phases 1 thru 4 and he asked if they had a timeline
estimate. Part of Phase 3, and he wanted to confirm it and had
been briefed by staff, is called an entry complex. That was very
scary to him because their entry from the complex could possibly
face the new entry and he didn’t know what entry complex meant,
unless the applicants explained it to him. Because that would be a
major traffic hazard if it was moved from the existing entrance,
which was just a little bit up from their entrance, and that would be
a huge inconvenience and safety hazard. The exiting vehicles from
the complex were not really traffic safety conscious because he
didn’t really recall if there was a stop sign at the exit or not. So it
might be perfectly legal to make a right turn to go north on Portola
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towards Palm Desert. He would like to have an answer to that. Is
there any plan to move the entry complex from where there is not
an entry gate?
Ecology. Mr. Niewisch was most proud of Palm Desert of being
such an ecology advocate. It was really refreshing and he was sure
the City would serve as an example for the whole nation. He
emailed more about the City ecology program all over, not just the
United States, but Europe, as an example. Therefore, he was a
little bit angry about the nonchalance with which the Living Desert
did not reply to their inquiries about the legality or advisability or the
ethics of 4, 5 or 6 tour buses idling for hours. If the applicant could
give him an explanation of why it was technically necessary that a
modern diesel engine run, or if it was for the bus users comfort so
that they have a nice cold bus to get back into, he could understand
that, but that did not fit into the City’s embracing of the ecology
issues, because that’s an air pollution issue and not justifiable.
Noise abatement regulations. There were times and decibels for
music and fireworks events in the evening. That was an issue. He
liked to sit on his patio and not be forced to listen to someone else’s
music tastes. He liked most of the Christmas music there now, but
it was really not a peaceful place anymore because they have local
performers and all kinds of bands. It was very audible where they
live.
Mr. Niewisch said he had a neighbor that accompanied him here.
At 6 o’clock in the morning his bedroom window faces onto Portola
toward the Living Desert. It was 56 feet from the Living Desert
border. They use leaf blowers at 6:00 in the morning. He is unable
to sleep with an open window, which they all like to do when they
can. Some of them need to have it explained.
Everything about the Living Desert is great: the website is great, the
mission statement is beautiful, and they could really be enthusiastic
about it, but the reaction from the staff, and he didn’t like to
complain, and those are usually employees and volunteers and he
didn’t like to do that, but usually they offer a free ticket. He would
also like to have an explanation from the applicant or the
Commissioners about the specifications and the irregularity of the
chain-link fencing. He thanked them and Ms. Schrader.
MR. MIKE VULOVIC, 73-864 Ocotillo Court in Corsican Villas,
stated that he is in the front side and his window is open 53 feet
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from the Living Desert. He didn’t want them to get him wrong, he
wished them the best and wanted to be a good neighbor, but he
would give them two or three examples just to bring it on a human
level to see what he has to go through. About a year ago they had
three diesel buses running for hours. As they knew, the wind is
always toward them. They had to close the windows, not because
of the noise, but because they couldn’t breathe. He ran across the
street and talked to the bus driver who told him, not very politely,
that they have to keep the buses cool for their customers. The visit
usually lasts at least two or three hours. He requested to speak to
someone in charge. He should have taken her name; the lady was
very polite and very nice and she more politely than the driver told
him that the customer was their first obligation.
On another occasion there were fireworks and it was at 11:40 p.m.
and he has to get up at 3 o’clock to go to work. It was for 10 to 15
th
minutes and was loud. It wasn’t on the 4 of July. Somehow he was
so excited he called the La Quinta police department and their
explanation was that someone important must be having a birthday.
So those were little examples of what they have to go through.
When his family bought there after many, many years of hard work,
they could finally afford to buy a little piece of property in this
paradise. They were so happy and so glad and never objected to
anything. He even sent all of his friends and customers across the
street to visit them to support them. He was proud of them. But
gradually it has become worse and worse: the air pollution, the
noise, and it wasn’t just that it was unbearable, but it’s also insulting
the way they are treated. And it was to the point where he was
talking to his family that it was going to get worse and worse and
they would probably have to sell and move away and give away all
their dreams and what they had worked for. He thanked them for
letting him speak.
Chairperson Tanner asked if there was any other testimony in opposition.
Hearing no one, he asked the applicant to answer questions and offer
rebuttal comments.
Ms. Correll said that with regard to fireworks, the Living Desert
does not shoot off fireworks. That comes from most likely the
Vintage and the Reserve. In fact, they call the Living Desert when
they are going to have a fireworks program to let them know
because they were concerned that it might cause problems with the
animals, but that was not the case. The animals habituate to it, and
because of where they are located and how it is planted, the
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animals don’t really hear it. That was something out of their control
and they have no control over who shoots off fireworks.
With regard to the buses, they do offer bus parking and have 14
spaces. They are used most of the time for school buses. They do
have tour buses that come through and they do ask that the buses
park there. If they choose for their customers, or it’s their company
policy that they have the buses running for air-conditioning, she
didn’t know that they had any control over that.
With regard to the noise level of parties, they do offer parties and
people do from time to time have wedding receptions and things
like that at the park. When they are notified that the noise level is
too loud, because sometimes it does get loud, and on occasion
they have had to tell the people renting the space to quiet down or
they have to close the function down, so they try whenever possible
in their planning and what they do to be good neighbors to the
Corsican Villas, to the folks at the Vintage, and at the Reserve. She
didn’t know if she missed anything.
Mr. Ramser addressed the entry complex and what that would be.
He said that wasn’t a separate entrance onto Portola; that was the
entrance from the parking lot into the zoo, so it would be a new
entrance gate where you pay admission. It would include gift shop
and some other services for security and things like that. It wouldn’t
directly affect any traffic. There was also a question about timeline
of the future phases. Basically the phases that would include the
entry complex and then the event center, there were basically no
timelines at this point because they were anticipated to be several
years out at this point.
Ms. Correll said that right now, Phase 1 and Phase 2 construction
would begin in 2009 and they anticipated that to go 18 months to
two years, depending on what happens, for completion in 2011.
Referring to her notes, regarding the chain-link fence, as she
recalled, they worked with the City of Palm Desert to install that and
plant it at some point quite a while ago. So they did that in
conjunction with the City. The parking lot itself, they just put pavers
down and used the existing space that they had for their parking lot.
They eliminated berms and some plantings in the dirt parking lot
and installed pavers, which allows water to seep through. She
asked for any other questions.
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Ms. Aylaian said the one remaining question she didn’t hear addressed
was the use of leaf blowers. She asked what hours the maintenance crew
worked.
Ms. Correll said their gardening crew works in the summertime 6:00
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. She understood those hours were per City
ordinance, but if she was wrong, and they do use leaf blowers in
the interior of the park, not every day, but they do use them.
(Someone from the audience spoke and said they were also used outside
on the sidewalk.)
Ms. Correll said they try to meet the City ordinance, and if it was
6:00 a.m., that’s what they were doing. If it was before then, they
wouldn’t want to do that and would want to meet the City ordinance
for leaf blowing.
Chairperson Tanner asked for their hours of operation.
Ms. Correll said they are open 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. with the last
admission at 4:00 p.m.
Chairperson Tanner asked about the parties they have for weddings,
anniversaries, etc.
Ms. Correll said that typically the parties they have are smaller
functions in the space. They have a DC house, they have a new
Chase administration building they rent, and they rent out their
palm garden, which is the largest of the venues and that can hold
around 200 for a seated dinner and up to 400 for a standing
cocktail kind of hour. It is a revenue-generating source for them, but
most of the parties were not a lot of people because the venues
they have are smaller. It was just the palm garden. They don’t get
weddings every weekend or anything like that; occasionally they
do.
Chairperson Tanner asked how late those go.
Ms. Correll said those can go until midnight.
Chairperson Tanner asked if that was with music.
Ms. Correll said not with music, but the whole function itself, they’ve
had them as late as midnight. But that was a rare thing. Usually
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there are dinners and things like that which are over with around
10:00 p.m.
Commissioner R. Campbell asked if they could somehow find another
parking area for these buses to go to, and the people who ride the bus,
because he has gone through this in other places where they’re told the
bus will not be back until 4 o’clock and they would have to find something
to do until that time because they are not allowed to have the buses
parked there idling. So it made him wonder if something like this could be
worked out with somewhere else in the city.
Ms. Correll said possibly, but when they built the new parking lot
itself and redid it, they allowed for 14 spaces. Those were mainly
for school buses that do come and go, but they do park there.
Anything was possible, so yes, it was possible.
Commissioner Limont thought it was obvious that the City needed to
maybe have a conversation with the Living Desert and say we have some
neighbors, here are the issues, and take a look at our ordinances and
make sure, because it didn’t matter if they are non-profit. They are all
neighbors in this town and she wanted to make sure they are within the
ordinances and make sure everyone was in agreement that we address
this and then at a later time bring some of these issues back.
Commissioner S. Campbell noted that there were quite a few issues here
that should be given an answer to and suggested a continuance. The
noise up to midnight, and Augusta’s having to close, so she thought they
should continue it.
Chairperson Tanner asked if that was a motion. Commissioner S.
Campbell made motion to continue. Commissioner Limont seconded the
motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, continuing Case No. CUP/PP 08-263 to the first meeting in
January (January 6, 2009).
Commissioner Schmidt asked about the scope of the future events center
and asked Ms. Correll to elaborate on it a little bit.
Ms. Correll said it was called the Special Events building and was
basically a big box and what they would be doing with that is using
it for temporary exhibits that they might want to bring into the park.
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They would also use it for their own fundraising. Right now they
rent a tent when they have their annual fundraising event. They
would be able to use that building for that. If someone wanted to
have an indoor space instead of using their palm garden for a
larger event, they would be able to have that facility for rental. She
wanted to emphasize that most of these events are small events at
night and it was rare that they really go late. She just wanted to
make sure everyone understood that.
Commissioner Schmidt asked if the events were placed more toward the
center of the complex or around the periphery.
Ms. Schrader showed a site plan of the future buildings and believed the
larger building was for special events and the smaller the entry complex.
Mr. Ramser also showed the corner of the existing parking lot, the
administration building and pointed out the new entry area.
Commissioner Schmidt noted that it was a little north and east of the street
entrance from Portola.
Mr. Ramser thought that it would be almost straight south from the
entrance.
Ms. Schrader explained that the plan was turned around. She showed
Portola and pointed out the entry area and the events building, as well as
the Portola entrance.
There was no other discussion and Chairperson Tanner called for the
vote. Motion carried 5-0.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
A. Case No. VAR 08-821 – MICHAEL AND MARIANNE TOIA,
Applicants
Per Planning Commission direction on November 18, 2008,
presentation of a resolution denying a request for a variance that
would reduce the required minimum side yard setback from five
feet to zero feet to allow construction of a golf cart shed located on
property line for an existing single family home located at 46-020
Burroweed Lane.
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, approving the findings as presented by staff.
Commissioner Schmidt wanted to make sure that a yes vote was to deny
it. Commissioner S. Campbell said yes.
For the record, Chairperson Tanner stated that his understanding of what
the Planning Commission does is they look at ordinances and not the
legal aspects of building and not building. At the meeting, there was
comment about the legality of building the complex, about proper permits
and he understood that and feels for that, but at the same time, what was
presented before them was the variance of five feet. He, again for the
record, just wanted to make sure they know that that is what they are
supposed to be doing. There was a motion and a second. He called for
the vote. Motion carried 4-1 (Chairperson Tanner voted no).
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2492, denying
Case No. VAR 08-821. Motion carried 4-1 (Chairperson Tanner voted no).
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
Commissioner S. Campbell gave an update on their last meeting.
B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
Commissioner Limont reported on their last meeting.
C. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
Commissioner R. Campbell noted that there hasn’t been a meeting
since he was appointed as liaison. Commissioner Schmidt asked if
the support staff had been notified of the change. Commissioner R.
Campbell said he called it in right away.
D. PARKS & RECREATION
Chairperson Tanner said Parks and Recreation met that morning
and reviewed their items of discussion.
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XI. COMMENTS
A. Commissioner Schmidt asked if Chairperson Tanner had an
alternate for the Parks and Recreation meeting. Chairperson
Tanner said no and invited her to attend. He noted that they meet
the first and third Tuesdays at 8:30 a.m.
B. With regard to the Jiffy Lube on Highway 111, Commissioner
Limont was approached by a neighbor of the project and asked if
there was a condition of approval about the bay doors. The bay
doors were open all the time. Ms. Aylaian said she would ask the
Code Enforcement folks to pay them a visit. Commissioner Limont
thanked her.
C. Commissioner Schmidt asked for clarification about the Living
Desert and why it was continued. Chairperson Tanner noted that
there were many questions that needed to be asked of staff. And
another thing for clarification, he asked about the chain-link fencing.
He had noticed that too and had a question about it. He asked if
that was a permanent chain-link fence along Portola or if it was
temporary and why it was allowed. He didn’t think it came before
the Planning Commission. Ms. Aylaian said that staff would look
into all the issues that were raised and would report back.
Commissioner S. Campbell noted that they would hear all about it
in January.
D. Ms. Aylaian indicated that staff would like to schedule a Joint Study
Session with the Planning Commission and the City Council on the
proposed Westfield expansion. It would be on January 8, 2009 at
2:00 p.m. in the Administrative Conference Room. She indicated
that Westfield has been interested in expediting the project and
expediting the review they would hold a Joint Study Session to
facilitate that.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked how long the meeting would be.
Ms. Aylaian said that it had to be done in an hour because the City
Council goes into closed session at 3:00 p.m.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Limont, seconded by Commissioner R.
Campbell, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-0. The meeting was
adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
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LAURI AYLAIAN, Secretary
ATTEST:
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VAN G. TANNER, Chair
Palm Desert Planning Commission
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