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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY MAY 5, 2009
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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Tanner called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Van Tanner, Chair
Connor Limont, Vice Chair
Sonia Campbell
Nancy DeLuna
Mari Schmidt
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, City Attorney
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Renee Schrader, Associate Planner
Hart Ponder, Code Compliance Manager
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Campbell led in the pledge of allegiance.
IV. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Ms. Aylaian summarized pertinent April 23, 2009 City Council actions.
V. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
VI. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Request for consideration of the April 21, 2009 meeting minutes.
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner DeLuna, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the April 21, 2009 meeting minutes. Motion carried 4-
0-1 (Commissioner Limont abstained).
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 09-65 JAMES GAGAN AND BIGHORN
DEVELOPMENT, LLC, Applicants
Request for approval of Parcel Map Waiver 09-65 to allow a
lot line adjustment transferring a portion of Lot G, Tract
27520-4, to 112 Suuwat.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Limont, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion
carried 5-0.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Case No. CUP 09-180 LISA THEODORATUS, Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit to allow the
rental of a single-family residence in an R-1 zone, for periods
of less than 30 days, located at 77-040 Utah Circle.
Ms. Renee Schrader reviewed the staff report and recommended approval
of the conditional use permit, subject to the conditions.
Commissioner Campbell noted that the shortest period of rental time
would be for one week, so the applicant was requesting one week at a
time, or two weeks. Ms. Schrader said that was right. In the conditions,
staff also included that this would be two-week rentals within a one-year
period, which meant that either longer rentals are encouraged, or they go
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without tenants for a while. That was up to the Commission if they were
agreeable to the condition or wanted to change it.
Commissioner Schmidt asked how many of these exist in the city
presently. Ms. Aylaian indicated that there are approximately 40
residential properties that are paying bed tax in the city at this point.
Commissioner Schmidt asked if this property was subject to that provision,
if approved. Ms. Aylaian replied yes, and explained that it is allowed with a
conditional use permit (CUP). Short-term rentals are allowed in the R-1
zone in which this property is located.
Chairperson Tanner asked if there were any short-term rental properties in
the Palm Desert Country Club area. Ms. Aylaian explained that staff
began looking into this a little bit more because Ms. Theodoratus brought
but do not have conditional use permits. They started looking into that
issue to see how big an issue that might be, and identified that there are a
couple of properties in the Palm Desert Country Club area. It looked as if
there are seven or eight in the city that have not gone through the CUP
process at this point, but are paying bed tax.
Based on the answer of 40 properties that do have CUPs, Commissioner
Limont noted that a letter with the staff report said that there are already
quite a few homes in this neighborhood operating short-term rentals. She
asked if they had any idea of the percentage. Ms. Schrader said that was
a comment by the applicant, they had really had
an opportunity to look into how many are really operating without
knowledge or a CUP. Ms. Aylaian further explained that typically what
happened was that staff responds if there is a complaint or call about a
specific location, and if there is a report that someone is operating a short-
term rental property without having the proper license, they send Code out
to investigate and then pursue from that standpoint. They did
canvass neighborhoods looking for short-term rentals that may or may not
be operati attention, staff responds
and investigates.
Chairperson Tanner opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the Commission.
MS. LISA THEODORATUS, 74 Crestwood Drive in San Rafael,
California, stated that Ms. Schrader explained the request. She got
kind of caught in a catch-22 with this with a single mention that she
was planning on doing short-term rentals. She stated that she
screens people very well and endeavors to make sure she has one
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time. They are most often retired people and very quiet, so she
for anyone
in the neighborhood. She noted that there was also a letter included
in her application from one of her neighbors who lives on the cul-
de-sac, Suzanne Tracy, who had mentioned that Ms. Theodoratus
had been very conscientious about choosing people to stay in her
house, and she planned to continue to do that. Her reason for trying
to do the short-term rentals is that in our economy right now, most
people are unable to afford a full monthly rental, and this year
especially it has become a very big problem. Also, her income has
gone down and this has become an issue of just trying to keep up
payments on the house and that was why she was requesting this.
She noted that Ms. Schrader had also mentioned the rental
contract, and she would most certainly make sure there were no
problems.
Commissioner Campbell asked about how many months out of the year
the home is rented.
Ms. Theodoratus answered that generally in the past she has
rented just a few months out of the year, and it was usually
February, March and sometimes April. She would foresee that
those months would be rented in season and an occasional week
throughout the summer because not that many people really want
to be here in the heat.
Commissioner Campbell noted that she wanted to keep it rented as much
as possible, and understood that.
Ms. Theodoratus explained her goal was to rent a couple of months
during the winter so that she could kind of make it through the year.
Commissioner DeLuna recalled that Ms. Theodoratus mentioned her
mailing address is in San Rafael and asked if that meant that she did not
reside locally.
Ms. Theodoratus said that this was a secondary home for her and
her husband. They live in San Rafael, which is in the San Francisco
area.
Commissioner DeLuna said that in effect, Ms. Theodoratus was an
absentee landlord.
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Ms. Theodoratus said she is, but she has a property manager who
, who also takes
care of the cleaning and maintenance. So everything was well
taken care of.
Commissioner DeLuna pointed out that Condition No. 4 under Department
of Community Development addresses some negative impacts that could
occur from a short-term tenant: music, noise, overnight guests, parties or
functions. If Ms. Theodoratus has someone in her home for a week and
some of these conditions occur, how would Ms. Theodoratus enforce the
rules?
Ms. Theodoratus said she would have her property manager go to
the residence and ask the people to vacate.
Commissioner DeLuna asked if she had any way of enforcing that.
indicated that
under 25 years of age and when she screens people who call
looking for a rental, she can generally pick up that people are
retired and they are pretty much going to be sitting in the yard and
playing some golf.
There were no other questions of the applicant. Chairperson Tanner
asked if anyone in the audience wished to speak in FAVOR of or in
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing
was closed. He asked for Commission comments.
Commissioner Campbell thought the applicant had a good record with
what she has been doing in the past. Ther
or any police calls. She thought she was doing a very good job, and
understood what she was trying to do. It is a quiet location, not surrounded
by a lot of homes. She moved for approval.
Commissioner Limont noted that there was a letter from a neighbor that
nt with this rental, and that made it difficult when it wa
unanimous. She agreed with Commissioner Campbell in that Ms.
Theodoratus was doing an excellent job and was coming forward with
some great suggestions on how to screen renters. Her concerns were that
she honestly believed that neighborhoods needed to be protected. People
buy into these neighborhoods and these are their primary residences, their
primary homes, ,
as good or as not as good as they are, it changes the atmosphere and
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character of the neighborhood. It was just noticeable. Her concern is that
when Palm Desert put in R-1 zoning, it was so they would maintain the
character of our neighborhoods. Her concern is, and Ms. Theodoratus is
probably a terrific landlord, but she is a distant landlord. It was terrific that
she had a property company to manage it, but she had concerns about
having Palm Desert starting to morph into rental neighborhoods, even if
his is my primary residence. That was her
biggest concern.
e
recognized that these are tough economic times and understood that, but
at the same time this is a neighborhood that was developed for primary
dwellers. He knew that there were rental properties in there, and
Country Club turn into a one-week, two-week rental property area. So he
was not in favor of this moving forward.
He noted that there was a motion on the floor and asked for a second.
There was no response; the motion died due to the lack of a second.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Limont, seconded by Commissioner
DeLuna, to deny Case No. CUP 09-180.
Ms. Aylaian noted that staff would need to prepare a resolution of denial
that would come before the Commission at the next meeting. After
discussing the matter further, keeping the public hearing closed,
Commissioner Limont amended her motion, and Commissioner DeLuna
amended her second, to continue the matter to May 19 and instructed
staff to prepare a resolution of denial. Motion carried 4-1 (Commissioner
Campbell voted no).
B. Case No. ZOA 09-104 CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for a recommendation of approval to the City
Council of a zoning ordinance amendment updating and
revising Palm Desert Municipal Code Section 25.68, Signs.
Mr. Bagato gave a power point presentation, reviewing the staff report in
detail. He recommended approval.
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Commissioner Limont asked for clarification that illumination on signs
along the freeway is allowed. Mr. Bagato explained that currently it is
allowed, but the new code would require them not to illuminate them.
Commissioner Campbell asked if the Closet Tailors sign was legible from
the freeway going 70 mph. Mr. Bagato said that was subjective; he could
see it. Commissioner Campbell thought it looked pretty far away.
If they approved this tonight and moved forward, Chairperson Tanner
asked how that would affect the buildings currently sitting on the freeway
with signage in excess of the new ordinance. Mr. Bagato said that since
they were approved under the current code, which is legal, they would be
grandfathered in. They would remain as long as they remain; if someone
else took over that space or if Gateway Place wanted to change their sign,
they would have to comply with the new code. There would be some
issues because there are some sign programs like the Kelly Paper Store
that actually have approvals at 24-inc
conform to the current code because of past approvals; they would be
grandfathered in. But anything new would be enforced. Chairperson
Tanner asked if it would be the same thing for the illumination along the
freeway. Mr. Bagato concurred.
Commissioner DeLuna commented that staff has done a very good job
with trying to regulate. She herself had concerns. Now that Palm Desert
has so many more new buildings going in, if all of them had signs as big
as some of the ones previously approved, it would look like a constant
billboard driving down the freeway, so she thought staff had done a good
job addressing the issues and making it something that is user friendly, yet
is still in keeping with the reflection of the way Palm Desert wishes to be
noticed and
Commissioner Campbell asked about political signs. Mr. Bagato explained
that
are on private property. During the election period, the current code says
they are supposed to be removed within 30 days. They kept that the
same, but the signs are allowed under law. He reiterated that they were
basically keeping the same standards for 99% of the code.
Since elections tend to be close to holiday times in general, Commissioner
Limont asked if they could consider reducing that amount of time, such as
15 days. Commissioner Campbell agreed that they go up pretty fast and
should come down just as fast. Mr. Bagato deferred that to the City
Attorney. Commissioner Limont asked if they could reduce the time
because sometimes they just straggle. Mr. Hargreaves explained that the
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whole sign issue is very complicated because it is considered speech and
they have the First Amendment free speech. Commercial signs are
somewhat problematic; political signs are very problematic because they
are regulating in an area that is very much protected by our constitutional
rights. They could regulate if we have a compelling interest. What they
have done in Palm Desert, and it has been recognized for some time, is
left provisions in the code that they generally understood they would have
city to abide by the sign ordinance as a matter of good faith in terms of city
government. Sometimes they do, , and we go
through this trauma every time we have an election campaign. They try to
keep people within certain limits for the aesthetics for the city, but on the
other hand, we understand that our ability to enforce them, and somewhat
limit them, is somewhat problematic.
than an enforceable sign ordinance on some of these issues.
Chairperson Tanner asked if there was any provision in the ordinance that
would allow the public to take these signs down as opposed to the
candidates themselves. Mr. Bagato said they are located on private
property, so they would be trespassing and
Aylaian explained that many of the candidates will use the same signs
from one election to the next. They do like to get them back since they
own the signs. They might appreciate the help, but they might request that
the signs be returned to them. Mr. Hargreaves noted that there are more
aggressive sign ordinances, and La Quinta has a pretty aggressive one in
terms of the number of signs, but the enforceability of some of those
prohibitions is somewhat questionable. Chairperson Tanner indicated that
they also require them to be down in a shorter amount of time after an
election. Mr. Hargreaves said that we at times have taken forward
proposals, and there was talk at one time of having every political sign that
comes up to get a stamp of approval from the City, and by doing that the
candidate was basically acknowledging that it was their sign and they
would have it down within a specific amount of time. Ultimately, City
Council decided at that time that
with it because it is such a touchy subject to try to regulate. Every two
years it becomes an issue and then kind of goes away.
Commissioner Schmidt asked when the new sign ordinance becomes
final, if it would have a chapter index similar to the old code. Mr. Bagato
said yes, it would be codified and would have an index as well.
Commissioner Schmidt thought it was remarkable to her that the old code
has enough left in it, if it was so antiquated, to be most of the new code. It
obviously was a good sign code and they were spiffing it up some, and an
extraordinary amount of work went into it, and is still going into it, and she
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was very grateful for that. Having said that, she really felt it was a mouthful
and it has been worked on for over two years, and yet it is before them
tonight once.
She had some questions that needed to be answered, and what she really
felt is that they should continue this and call for some sort of group study
session between Architectural Review (ARC), and maybe even the Sign
Subcommittee, so they could be comforted with some of these questions,
because this vehicle is going to stay with the City for a long time. She
of
that threaded throughout the new ordinance. She would just like to be
clearer on what that really meant. Mr. Bagato said that the time to try and
get the Subcommittee together with both Planning Commission and ARC
would be a bit challenging. Also, he might have to look at doing some kind
of moratorium on signs, because if the news is out that they are going to
regulate the signs at the freeway, they could have people applying for
every business along the freeway right now and ask for approval under
the current code. Commissioner Schmidt said a moratorium would be fine.
Mr. Bagato would recommend a moratorium then, at least for signs facing
the freeway. Also, technically, commercial real estate signs right now are
updated.
addressing them if they are out of compliance. Mr. Bagato explained that
they went to City Council and stated that our current codes are too
restrictive and outdated, and the Council said work with staff and the
Subcommittee. As long as they areensive or too cluttered, they
have allowed them to remain, even if they do
if there were ones staff thought were a problem or created a safety
hazard, too big or too cluttered, they have been asked to redo them. So
they have done that, but they can have a 4-foot by 6-foot out there that
something right now that is at three square feet.
Commissioner Campbell agreed with Commissioner DeLuna. She thought
that staff did a good job on this and covered quite a bit of the laws or
requirements needed for signage. She thought the pictures were very
helpful and made it more understandable. There was a Signage
Subcommittee to discuss all of this with staff, and staff said that they may
have other people applying. Were they going to make them stop until they
put it into law? That would stop it, and people would have to come in front
of Planning or staff to get their signage approved.
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Commissioner Schmidt said she would express some of her concerns.
She did not see much about enforcement in the ordinance. It referred to
8.20.020. She thought that needed to be beefed up. Mr. Bagato explained
that the enforcement section basically referred to our municipal code
section for all enforcement; Code Enforcement has the ability to go out
and enforce, cite, and take legal action. So it was just referring back to
how we do business today. Commissioner Schmidt said she pulled all of
that out and was aware of it.
non-conforming signs really specifically that she could find. She thought
that if they were going to make changes, they really needed to make it
be anything that she could see except the word neighborhood somewhere
that relates to how some of these signs impact existing residential
communities, and there was a lot of bare ground between the freeway and
El Paseo, a lot of which is for residential use and commercial use. She
residential zone. Commissioner Schmidt understood that, but asked about
residential zones adjacent to a large commercial center. There was
nothing in there to address the woman who has spent her life savings, or a
couple Mr.
Bagato said that was correct. It was difficult to address signs for every
possible scenario in the city. They would apply the same standards today,
and they do have a section in the code, and the general purpose is that
signs in the city are intended for identification purposes and not
advertising. There were very clear goals describing that: to eliminate
clutter and promote architectural compatibility within existing
nage, it
was next to a residential property in the back (Falling Waters). He took
that to Architectural Review and recommended non-illumination just based
on that fact. So staff does look at signs in context of the surrounding
property, it was just hard to draft every single possible scenario in a code
to do that, so they have the ultimate clause, which is architectural
compatibility with the building, as well as the neighborhood. He felt with
Palm Desert staff and the Architectural Review Commission that they are
prepared to handle those kinds of cases.
Commissioner Limont asked if the Code Department, and Mr. Ponder was
here this evening, if they have had issues of any magnitude with regard to
signs or through the architectural process, or do they pretty much nip it in
the bud, so it was just a few here and there? Mr. Bagato said typically
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with code enforcement, people put up signs without a permit, and then the
problem b
already spent money on something that is difficult to approve or they wo
approve it, but typically they
he was aware of, with signs facing residential zones.
Commissioner Limont indicated that her biggest issue was with real estate
signs in the medians that say open house. She thought real estate signs
were supposed to be on private property, were for the residences for sale,
that type of thing. She also agreed with Commissioner Schmidt; if we are
we are addressing these issues so that
Code getting yelled at from both sides. They are supposed to enforce
-of-way. He thought what she might be
talking about were enforcement issues, which would continue to be
enforcement issues whether or not a new code is adopted, because the
code says signs in the public right-of-way are
house signs in the medians and those are in violation. Those are
problematic and will be enforced.
Signage Subcommittee directed them to do. From stafnt, it was
to make it more user-friendly and easier to read.
Commissioner Limont asked if the Code Department had input into the
new sign ordinance. Mr. Bagato said yes: Code, City Attorney, and some
sign companies that he deals with on a daily basis because he was also
concerned about the business community too and wanted to do something
user-friendly, and wanted to make sure they agreed with it. Best Signs and
Sign-A-Rama both reviewed it. He worked on it quite a bit to try to make
sure he was doing his best to serve what City Council wanted, as well as
the business community and what staff already does today. From an
enforcement perspective, Ms. Aylaian added that they intentionally do not
go through all the enforcement in Title 25. They refer back to Title 8,
because what happens is over the years, they want to say what they have
to say once and say it correctly. If they say it multiple places and go
through and modify it piecemeal over the years, they pick up the change
they want to make in one section, but not in another, and then they
contradict each other. So the intent generally is to refer back to Title 8,
which is where they address public nuisances and abatement procedures
and the processes available for enforcement, not just of Title 25, but of the
other titles as well. They want to refer everything back to that area so that
if they want to change how things are enforced, they would change it in
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very deliberate decision to not address great detail of the enforcement. In
fact, the only thing they put in there that was different from other places
and that was the charge of double fees for signs erected without getting
permits in advance. But generally, they wanted to steer them back to our
code enforcement process, which is covered elsewhere.
Mr. Bagato noted that sign removal was addressed on page 36 of the draft
resolution; they have a section for lawful non-conforming signs to be
removed. Basically 25.68.120 addresses all the non-conforming sign
issues and it was reviewed by Code Enforcement and the City Attorney.
Staff worked with a sign consultant who has written hundreds of codes, so
this was recommended by them, as well as Code Enforcement, to be
more compatible with our standards in Chapter 8.
Commissioner Schmidt said that was why she would like more time with
this. She could understand from a staff point of view that they would want
to make it user-friendly. The way she believed the Commission should
look at it is to look at it is as it applies to the city overall and everyone who
lives in or does business in it. From that perspective, she had to look at it
out of the barn because they hurried with it. She thought a great deal of
work has gone into it and that it was close, but it was final or ready at
this point. She thought they owed it to the city who they serve to take an
extra day, even if it was complicated to arrange, she would be available,
thanked him for giving them the document two weeks ago, that was very
helpful, but that was the first time she has seen that document and she
spent a great many hours on it since then and she was still not happy.
She asked Mr. Bagato to give her a good example of a creative sign. That
was new to the code as she understood it. Mr. Bagato showed an
example of a sign that was reviewed by ARC for the Wachovia building on
Highway 111 at
the architectural projection, but with the right building design, staff and the
Architectural Review Commission believed that these types of signs could
be allowed to fit a building de
be allowed. This would be a case of making specific findings if they felt it
was compatible under the creative sign program and could be approved.
ction. He
noted that it was hard to write a code to address every possible scenario,
so this was their way of being able to look at something unique or creative.
be able to allow
signs that if designed correctly and are creatively unique, but
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our code, they want to be able to present specific findings to approve it.
One of the City Council members on the Subcommittee was also a little
concerned with this section, and staff made it clear that any sign for
maybe the first couple of years would go to the City Council so that it
Commissioner Schmidt reiterated that the Director of Community
Development would provide criteria for the creative sign program. If an
applicant wanted to go that way, then it would go before Architectural
Review and they would pass it or not pass it. If they didwould
go straight to Council. Mr. Bagato said it would only go to City Council if
the applicant filed an appeal. Commissioner Schmidt noted that it would
not come back to the Planning Commission. Mr. Bagato indicated that
ARC is the review authority for signage, and City Council the ultimate
Commission. The only time they might see them is on new development;
they were now requiring that signage location be identified as part of the
project. That was the only time they would really see them. Today they
only see them was if someone was requesting a variance and that would
come to the Planning Commission. Otherwise, today Planning
Commission would not see signs, and that would remain the same. There
were specific findings in Section 68.110 on page 34. So there were three
different findings and a bunch of criteria that staff would have to find and
ARC would have to agree with those findings. Commissioner Schmidt
noted , and
thought it was pretty specific.
Commissioner Limont thought it was interesting that Commissioner
Schmidt brought up that issue, because that was the one she circled and
said no. They review height, and architecture, and disagree. They have
had some pretty good discussions about extending and allowing people to
go above the height limitations for architectural reasons or not, and to her
this was too loose; just that one section. And she agreed, staff has done a
that a study session would be helpful. She did
appropriate, but one of her thoughts was if they sat down with staff,
because Council has met on this, Code has met on this, staff has been on
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variances, which is what typically comes before them with almost every
building she has seen since she has been here. And this old sign
ordinance is very restrictive and was written that way for a purpose: to
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the Planning Commission, it becomes/remains a vehicle of Architectural
control, and quite honestly, she has seen advance in buildings and
building color that she wondered about. That is their duty and they do it
want in the
city. There was so much undeveloped in the city, and she has seen this in
develops, they realize there is a roadway full of signs and that was not the
intent of this ordinance. Mr. Bagato said that was the section added by
staff, so they could recommend moving it forward without that section
being endorsed by the Planning Commission, if that was the decision of
t the intent
them for identification purposes and make sure they are architecturally
compatible with the building. He thought if they looked at some of the
signs throughout the c
companies, they are pretty grueling with them already on what they can
have. He knew his intent was not to allow someone to have bigger, much
bigger, or a brighter sign.
In the last week, Commissioner Schmidt said she drove the entire city,
street by street in the commercial sectors, drove Indian Wells, La Quinta,
Cathedral City, and Palm Springs. She was very impressed with Palm
Desert, in particular
cool and collected. She was not criticizing; she was just saying take the
time to do this thoroughly and right. There had been so much time put in
on it there was very little in her mind that needed to be added, but she was
not comfortable voting this through tonight. The motion was that they
continue this to either the next or the following regular meeting of the
Planning Commission, and as soon as possible, the Commission, with at
least staff, go over this a little more thoroughly and anyone who wishes to
sit in on that should be welcomed and invited: the Committee, Council,
ARC, anybody. Commissioner Limont thought they should do it as soon as
possible with a moratorium on signs in the interim, because it was only fair
to staff and people getting their businesses going that they do this as
the authority to move for a moratorium on signage, but she would certainly
move for a continuance. Commissioner Limont said for their education
with staff, and then put it on the next one.
Mr. Bagato asked if they wanted an agendized study session, or if they
wanted to meet with him one on one. If it was for everyone, the Brown Act
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required that an agenda be published at least 72 hours prior, and to invite
others, they would have to publish it as well. It was a little more difficult to
try to have everyone involved. Commissioner Limont asked if they could
just have a study session for Planning Commission and have it in the little
conference room. Mr. Bagato said yes. Ms. Aylaian noted that she
heard if everyone was interested in a study session or not; staff was
always available to meet one on one either to go over it or go out in the
field and look at examples and answer specific questions. If the majority of
the Commission was interested in a study session, they would set that up.
Two things she would add is one, if they were looking to broaden that to
involve other parties, the ordinance has already been through the
Architectural Review Commission and they were done with it. If they were
asking the City Council to set up a study session to go over it, their
calendar is pretty full, so that would project out the time that it would take.
If they wanted to keep it just for the Planning Commission, it could
probably be a quicker date. She also urged not to look at any moratorium
because she thought that would do irreparable damage to the business
community. Staff processes signs every day and to stop businesses that
are trying to upgrade or to open from being able to process new sign
applications she thought would be a disservice to the community.
For anyone presently trying to process their signage, Commissioner
Schmidt asked if they would be free to continue as long as it complied with
the existing ordinance. Mr. Bagato said that was correct. Commissioner
Limont noted that the freeway is a big issue.
Chairperson Tanner reiterated that it had been proposed to do a study
session with staff. He asked if they could open it up to individuals from
ARC without inviting them. Ms. Aylaian explained that study sessions are
open to the public, so anybody that was interested could attend.
Chairperson Tanner said he was all in favor of having a study session. He
too was rather uncomfortable. They were presented with freeway signs
which years ago were not present in Palm Desert. They were also
concerned now with real estate signs, no vacancy signs, and leasing
signs. They were all very important to the City of Palm Desert, and as far
as he was concerned, he di
front of him, and there was no question that staff did a great job. The sign
committee that was part of ARC to get this to this point, He also
encouraged the Signage Subcommittee to be part of the study session.
He was in favor of doing that and was in favor of doing that prior to the
next meeting so this matter could come back to them within a two-week
period of time. He also encouraged an open discussion at that meeting.
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Chairperson Tanner asked if there were any other questions of staff, then
opened the public hearing and asked if anyone wished to speak in
FAVOR of or in OPPOSITION to, the public hearing.
MR. DICK BAXLEY, Baxley Properties at 73-712 Alessandro in
Palm Desert, informed the Planning Commission that he is a
member of the Signage Subcommittee. He said they worked hard
and there was a lot of variety of opinions. He thought 99% of what
was in front of them was agreeable to everyone, including the real
estate signs. But that was not his purpose for being at the meeting.
He was a prime violator and those signs would be fixed. What he
was very concerned about were the freeway signs and the freeway
visibility when cars are going by at 70 or 80 mph. He strongly
disagreed that it was for identification only. The signs were not
readable and those poor people who have buildings out there that
are empty or barely filled up, they need better visibility on the
freeway. And that was his only concern, the freeway visibility, not
bothering the neighbors, not hitting the city streets, but freeway
visibility. A 12-inch sign on the small buildings was not adequate for
any kind of visibility at all, and he believed they should be lighted.
He also thought that could be done tastefully. He understood the
out what other places look like, but we are
nowhere close to that, but he thought a little bit bigger and lighted
would go a great deal toward helping those businesses be
successful in an incredibly difficult timeframe. Those were his
comments and he thanked them for their time.
There was no one else wishing to speak. Chairperson Tanner closed the
public hearing and opened the discussion for Commission comments.
gave too much of a free hand. In going over, studying and reading what
they were provided by the Planning Department, and she agreed with her
fellow Commissioners that they did a great job. She also agreed with the
changes that need to be made out on the freeway, with cleaning up the
real estate signs, and she had no problem with the Spinello signs or the
Prime Choice signs--she thought they were elegant, and real estate signs.
But also, she wanted to make sure this Commission was in favor of it, so if
they needed a study period, she was all for it and would make time.
be available for the
study session, but the other Commissioners could get together and that
was fine with her.
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Chairperson Tanner reopened the public hearing and asked for a motion.
Commissioner Schmidt restated her motion to continue the public hearing
to May 19, 2009 and convene a public study session on the proposed sign
ordinance to allow for the Commission to finalize their questions and
concerns. Ms. Aylaian suggested Tuesday, May 12, at 6:00 p.m. in the
Administrative Conference Room. Commission concurred. Commissioner
Limont seconded the motion. Commissioner Schmidt asked if it was
possible to invite everyone who has been concerned to that public
meeting. Ms. Aylaian said staff would extend the invitation to everyone
that was involved in the Signage Subcommittee, although in the past they
would generally need three or four weeks to get the schedules to mesh.
She understood that the Commission would like to hear this at their next
meeting, and they would schedule it, invite people, and hope for the best.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Schmidt, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, continuing Case No. ZOA 09-104 to May 19, 2009 and scheduling
a study session on May 12, 2009 at 6:00 p.m. Motion carried 5-0.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
None.
B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
None.
C. PARKS & RECREATION
Chairperson Tanner reported on the issues that were discussed.
D. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
None.
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XI. COMMENTS
Commissioner Limont asked if one of the palm trees was dying at the
Wachovia building, or if it was just getting beaten by the wind. She also
thought that the palm trees were poorly placed. Commissioner Schmidt
agreed and said that at night, it was horrible. On a more positive note, she
thought the tower near the Holiday Inn looked good. They did a nice job
and it looked good from the street. Mr. Bagato said he would go with an
inspector to check out the palm tree at Wachovia. Commissioner Limont
noted that it could be just that it was brand new. Ms. Aylaian explained
that they liked to give them at least six months and it could look as if all
the fronds are dead, but they look for the green wick coming up. Summer
during the winter. She said they could get a landscape specialist out there
to give their opinion.
XIII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
DeLuna, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 7:21 p.m.
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LAURI AYLAIAN, Secretary
ATTEST:
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VAN G. TANNER, Chairperson
Palm Desert Planning Commission
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