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Home My WebLink About02-16 Draft Minutes �� MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION '�� , . TUESDAY - FEBRUARY 16, 2010 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * �� * * * * * * * * * * * * * * �` =:�s� � �4 I. CALL TO ORDER �� _ � Chairperson Limont called the meeting o� er at 6: � m. F� ,,.�` °�..�� II. ROLL CALL �`'�� Members Present: Connor Li Chair � �� Mari Schm�d ;�,, C�� Sonia Campbe � DeLuna ,,d ,v�m � ,o�a- Members Absent: Non � � � Staff Pr�� zLauri A irector ommunity Development F Y�' �ave E City Attorney � �ill Tremb . Assistant City Attorney �, �.�� Baga rincipal Planner � �F� ��; ssistant Planner \\\��\\ Ryan ��r��ll, Senior Management Analyst �%�`g� Page Garner, Senior Engineer �� Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary �,� :�y a.^ � � ��3.. IIL � PLEDGE � LLE��I��VCE � � \�� mmission anner led in the pledge of allegiance. � �� IV. S F COUNCIL ACTION ��, A Ms. Aylaian summarized pertinent February 11, 2010 City Council actions. V. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None. VI. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Request for consideration of the January 19, 2010 meeting minutes. MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16�2010 Action: It was moved by Commissioner DeLuna, seconded by Commissioner Tanner, approving the January 19, 2010 meeting minutes. Motion carried 5-0. VII. CONSENT CALENDAR A. Case No. PMW 09-506 — KELLY C. AND „�#,ARBARA M. BRUUN AND INDIAN RIDGE COUNTRY CLUB� 1��:, Applicants �;� E w., Request for approval of a parcel r?�� vir� er to allow a lot line adjustment at 598 Elk Clo r�`��rcle w ,;q. Indian Ridge Country Club. �� B. Case No. PMW 10- � DEAN J. SCHUIVfi�� c/o FEIRO ENGINEERING, INC., � 'cant �°� �,:: w Request for ap roval of a p ap waiver to allow a lot line adjustme ing Lot 43 the west half of Lot 44 to accommodate �:.��s�� home I d at 72-775 Beavertail �� Street. �� :�-; x �� , " �� : � ,. Action: � �-=� �� ,� It was d mmiss�t,.;," � Campbe , seconded by Commissioner DeL approvi the Co ; . nt Calendar by minute motion. Motion car� -0. �� ,. ,:5��, ,/�'%�� H. GS �°` .9��,, �. VIII. /,� � ��/�� . ,�jAnyone e ch es any hearing matter in court may be limited to ��O�y� raising on ose es he, she or someone else raised at the public //��h annig C � ssion at,nor rrior orlt e publ c hear ngnce delivered to the i�� 9 p A��, , �o. CUP 08-433 — CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant %i// equest for revocation of an existing conditional use permit for a massage therapy establishment within an existing office suite located at 72-855 Fred Waring Drive. Business Owner: Lawrence M. Andrews; Property Owner: Haven Management. Community Development Director Lauri Aylaian asked City Attorney Dave Erwin to address this issue and make a recommendation to the Planning Commission. 2 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16, 2010 Mr. Erwin explained that this was a revocation hearing on a conditional use permit. The Commission would recall that they did take action on it previously. It was determined after the fact that the issue was raised that they had not given sufficient notice for the prior action. That was why it was back in front of them again. In addition, the City Council at their meeting last Thursday had on their agenda considerati n of revocation of the massage establishment permit. The attorney re ` nting the applicant at that point in time accepted the fact that the C referred the matter to a hearing officer, who would hear the mat then report back to the Council with regard to that permit. His r e ion and understanding, also with the attorney representing th �ti. ' licant, hat Mr. Erwin would request that the Planning Commissit��" o the same, h was to refer the matter to a hearing officer, who �r�,t�l be selected by� If and the City Manager. The hearing officer��uld hear tf�e revocatio ring for the conditional use permit and th��f�ovide t1�.yE�'lanning Com sion with a �-� re ort for their subse uent actic��,T & �as his recommendation and p q would save them from ening the p� , � earing at this time. a� Action: �� `�� , It was moved by Co 'ssio Luna� onded by Commissioner Tanner, by ' te motio ferr' ion�� CUP 08-433 to a hearing officer. C ��'�� Limon ��`"� or an ssion. � r,�.. � �5, ��y,. �: �._-�' , Co ioner Sc N,:; t aske hat meant there was no revocation of this parti�� , establi s�" nt at thi e. Mr. Erwin replied that the conditional use pe �ha � �� ` r�ok . The business is closed and has been started �` q°; � d sir�� rocesses, but there was no revocation at ;��0��``�� ent �� . That was correct. Commissioner Schmidt said that in essen e ��,,.ing Commission has taken no action on it. Mr. Erwin �� said that� corr� � � \ � . . . , ,:� ��There were further questions and Chairperson L�mont called for a vote. �� e motion,� � ied 5-0. �� \� B. \� �\� ,, se Nos. GPA/CZ 10-18 — CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant Request for approval of a General Plan Amendment from Office Professional to Low Density Residential 0-4 units per acre and a Change of Zone from Office Professional to Residential Estates 40,000 square foot minimum lot size for two parcels located at 77-925 Hidden River Road and 77- 930 Delaware Place. 3 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16. 2010 Mr. Bagato reviewed the staff report and recommended that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of GPA/ CZ 10-18. Commissioner DeLuna said it was her understanding that it was zoned Residential, rezoned to Office Professional, and now staff wanted it rezoned back to Residential. She asked if this would be a permanent zone change back or if staff anticipated sometime in th future another request to rezone back to Office Professional. Mr. to replied that staff anticipated it to be permanent. Commissioner Tanner asked for conf� T o :� t the residents there approved this decision to go back to entiaL ` , agato said correct; one of the homeowners was in t��,'� dience and � oached the City about changing it because he �� `�E�'��ng to refinance � operty and in looking at it, it seemed to mak� `�se to kee��it as Reside �� , . ��, � � ��.�.� Commissioner Schmidt asked if� �� h�,�;�� were occupied. Mr. Bagato said the other home the south o� '"; e on Hidden Valley Road was not occupied and h ontact th� � eowner about changing that property as well, bec ' 't wan�` �ave a spot zoning parcel in between. He received ' res ut t� _ is a home there. At one point the prc��rty was rs ow��°. re�� tly been cleaned up. He didn't knc�� had b '�` e tra with banks or not, but the �.. owner, cord contac ice to let them know this was being done to it as a hc� � . But rwise, it wasn't occupied right now from � � wha� h could t� ommissi ° Tanner asked if that was the one that sits or� -. lav� '� � _4;��t aid that was correct. Commissioner na a = it was fP� �="''� ern of the two. Mr. Bagato said that was ,i;///'� , , , . � /� � /�Chaii� son Limont asked for and received confirmation that staff �%� hadn' � d fr � em. Commissioner DeLuna asked if adequate notice � had bee � en. ��gato said yes. ,� � � �jj��0�� '.:.;:� �' �jChairperso� 'mont o�ened the public hearing and asked if anyone ��%�,' ' hed to s in FAVOR of or in OPPOSITION to the proposed General , �� m � ent and Change of Zone. �� . ARTURO AVILA said he has lived at the property for 32 years. He wished to continue staying there. He wasn't aware that it was rezoned until he tried to refinance. He brought a copy of the appraisal to the City Council where it shows as Residential. Had it not been for the fact that he contacted the bank and they told him it is zoned Commercial. He didn't remember being notified or he would have been here. So that's when he came before the Planning Commission. He also requested that they waive the fees because there is a fee to revert the rezoning; it is excessive for him 4 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16� 2010 and he aiso felt he shouldn't have to pay a fee to stay where he's at. Chairperson Limont thanked him and asked if there was anyone else wishing to address the Commission. MS. DIANE GUZMAN, 77-935 Delaware Place, stated that she was present representing Ted and Linda Ba�'[�tt as well as herself. They were in support of the General F�� Amendment and Zone Change from Office Professiona��+�'��w density Residential because it would provide for the �� m�t'�`�nd preservation of the residential neighborhood on e��ware �� behind the road closure. The property line de the roac� sure would stay Office Professional and b sed on Washingt��f. o they were in support of this action a � � uld reco end it. °�� `�� y Chairperson Limont closed the p � ��r,� Commissioner DeLur�.��d if there` any tax consequences from a zone change. Mr. Bag�� d��; �Cnow. n't think there would be; iYs still a residential use; tfi+��; roper� �l�gal nforming right now. If the house burn own, he Idn't��+��:��s ouse. That was why the bank wo nce it „t� � `�idn't �� ` if it would change his taxes. � .:- � Mr. E oubte t the r��ing would cause any reappraisal. ,��:;- ,� ��, Com ioner T r noted t� x, Mr. Avila mentioned a fee he must pay to hav re e�"=ential. He asked if there was a way the f�i�/� ' coul� . �that sin�� a,,�"��asn't aware in the beginning that it was �� M .. ato said yes; when Mr. Avila first came to the City they � said t was e and he wrote a letter to the City Council. They were �� going to � Cit ncil first to waive the fee, but because of timing and /��C tyingit at �S here wasn ot ee oltthe appecant he Cit�ye�it at d teso �� didn't h � to pay the fee. Commissioner Tanner asked if Mr. Avila ��sto t now; he said yes. '�j� Com � , oner Schmidt asked if they were within their rights to rezone a property that the owner might be unaware they were doing so. Mr. Erwin replied that as long as they have given the appropriate notice, which they have in this case, then certainly. If they wish to appear, they may do so. If they don't, then they are free to take whatever action their notice said. Chairperson Limont asked for a motion. 5 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16, 2010 Action: It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner DeLuna, approving the findings and recommendation as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0. It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner DeLuna, adopting Planning Commission esolution No. 2518, recommending to City Council approval of GP �'`�� Z 10-18, designating and rezoning two Office Professional pr s Residential Estates 40,000. Motion carried 5-0. ,� � v� � � � � � C. Case No. MISC 10-19 — JU�i� �i�+�►►RLOS OC � Applicant ��: �� Request to modify an ��ng pad h�ight by two�� for a proposed single family r ' nce of ��t 25296-5 lo d in the Canyons at Bighorn at #�� Lart��a View. � �� Assistant Planner artz revi�'�`� the staff report. He added Condition No. 4 to the�� tion to��r�, "The applicant must submit ��, compaction tests for L pe by a � tered soils engineer." Mr. Swartz rec��ended � rov� �` �.�� MISC 10-19 with that � - � � addition �� , �� _ � �� ,y>, �,e�. Co ioner Ta '''` r asked ut the elevations of the three lots and the thre� .. our beh�� zthem. M artz replied that the three were at 749 feet; t� the ;�� e 2, 755 and 758 feet. Commissioner � ; �� idt�a� �`�� out Lo �1��wartz said it is 750 feet. Lot 8 is 750 feet. �� ' sion�� .�� nner asked about the lot next door to the proposed lot. o,�� Mr. S cont� � d it was at 754 feet. Commissioner Tanner asked if it �� would in t ai� �d of view to the golf course at all by increasing two �� feet. Mr. S' z saic��o. Commissioner Tanner asked if staff had received � '\ ny corresp ence from the property owners behind it. Mr. Swartz said � �`� correspo nce in favor or opposition had been received. � �. Co er DeLuna asked why the owner wanted to raise the lot two feet. wartz deferred that question to the applicant. Commissioner Schmidt noticed on the elevation for the proposed home that a couple of the chimneys are already at 20 feet. She thought the drawing they reviewed was already at 752 and asked if he could confirm that. Mr. Swartz said that was correct. It was 18 feet to the highest point of the roof, and then two feet higher for the chimney. He confirmed that chimneys could go higher. 6 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16. 2010 There were no other questions. Chairperson Limont opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to address the Commission. MR. JUAN CARLOS OCHOA, 73626 Highway 111 in Palm Desert, stated that he is the architect for the project. To answer the question regarding the 752, that is actually an existing pad and that is how it is currently. In Mr. Swartz's pre entation, he mentioned that Lot 10 is 754 and Lot 8 is 750, s medium elevation is averaged at 752. Those lots were a following the slope of the street. So they were really not � ing the pads, they were requesting to keep the pads as th e t field, which is not the same as it was recorded on th��I that w bmitted. Regarding chimneys, by code they ha� ��"'have at lea�� o feet above for fireplaces. Most times chi��s are higher than eight limit. � �. �� ,, .� Commissioner Schmidt asked clarifica hen he sai �; t the pad ,. ra exists, Mr. Ochoa was talking abo�;„ ;� round, not concrete. � ,�:. ;��, �.� Mr. Ochoa sai as correct��. �� f� �:� Commissioner Schmidt� �ed i � � rese`�1�,�raded at 752 feet. � 9 �:" M id that ect. Ch ' on Limo sked if one wished to speak in FAVOR of or in OP � ION to roposa here was no one. Chairperson Limont asked nt r action. i� �%%%�� .� �,�� , ��i0,/'/'j/// �: . �! � It wa�� ve � Commissioner Tanner, seconded by Commissioner �� Campbe�� pro the findings and recommendation as presented by '�%/�j� staff. Motio ,� rried . ��, � -�� was mo by Commissioner Tanner, seconded by Commissioner % bell pting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2519, approving MI� , subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0. ,,,� IX. MISCELLANEOUS A. Case Nos. TT 34943, DA 02-01 Amendment #3 and ZOA 09-494 — EAGLE 6.5, LLC, c/o TED LENNON, Applicant Per Planning Commission direction, presentation of a resolution denying a tentative tract map with associated CEQA addendum to the SEIR for Stone Eagle, third 7 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16, 2010 amendment to Development Agreement 02-01 (Stone Eagle Development), and a zoning ordinance amendment to revise the Hillside Planned Residential Zone Ridgeline Map to allow the subdivision of 7.7 acres into six residential lots. Subject property is located west of the Palm Valley Storm Channel at the termination of Old Stone Trail (APN 652-090-002). Mr. Stendell indicated that at the last meet�::there was a lengthy discussion and at the conclusion of it, staff ��mstructed to prepare a resolution of denial. Staff was back with a ��tion and he was present to answer any questions. There were no 6�:�`� �iort�� ..� �: r� Ms. Aylaian added that also in th � ckets was a'��I�r from a nearby resident dated the same date last meeting. Th� R, s a letter that was emailed approximately s�'` minutes b fore the me�� started, so staff had not received it and � ot dis ` it in advan� - f the last meeting. It was in their packets o n and became a part of the record. Commissioner chmidt ask ould accompany the resolution �. to Council. Ms. Aylai�c�:3�t�, es. �� . .�� Action: �� ,� �M It was mov by Comrt��sion�� " s onded by Commissioner Schmidt, the �� ` ed p� ct. Motion carried 3-2 (Com ners pbell ,� � anner voted no). � It w oved b ommissio i DeLuna, seconded by Commissioner Schmi op ' ' s Planning Commission Resolution No. ��,�/� de 3494�`," �j� 01 Amendment #3, ZOA 09-494 to revise � 'de ` ed Residential Zone Ridgeline Map, and an Addendum j to the` / . carried 5-0. ��O///�j/ , B. Up�� rega � ng short-term rentals in the R-1 zone. ��i% O�� ,,,�/////%� � . Aylaian; icated that this item and the next (Item C) were both issues � e P' ing Commission asked staff to address and come back to t he�� rigina l ly p lanne d to bring bot h o f t hese issues to t he P lanning Com , on today, but decided to wait after looking at the timing a little bit further. Typically the newspaper will carry stories of upcoming items for consideration the day before or the day of the meeting. Since yesterday was a holiday and City Hall was closed, and today the department was in training for the bulk of the day, they thought it would be more respectful of concerned citizens' comments, which typically come in as soon as they see it in the newspaper, to go ahead and hold the meeting on such short notice. They would still see both of these items, but if their expectations 8 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16. 2010 were to see them today, staff weighed the pros and cons to make sure they didn't short circuit the opportunity for the public to have input. Chairperson Limont asked if they would be on the next agenda. Ms. Aylaian said yes, they would be. For a particular report and details on this item, Mr. Bagato would provide information. Mr. Bagato stated that based on the last disc � on January 19 and trying to figure out the zoning issues related� ed communities versus non-gated and which ones are zoned R- a which ones aren't, staff looked at an alternative approach��d o�` our TOT licensing requirements they could state in ther� at gate� mmunities may be allowed to have short-term rentals;��hat basicall�' � inates having to ,,,, .. deal with zones of communities t��=�alked to the City Y ian Wells and they just state in their busin�� '�icense that it's allow ' � ' they have approval by their communitie��d the� ,�� need to g business license. Some of the other cities ��Ik�':� ;�, they were actually just out trying to enforce the T side. The��;;,' trying to get the revenue from them, they were no �� ' ' ing them �„. F- staff's standpoint, given the concerns they've had` s one, th � uld prohibit them in the R-1 zones, basically non-g co � ' 'es, a en in gated communities the ones tha#� nt to allo em,� `�� ve��em. �� Com ' er S�- idt sai q still had a concern. She asked if it was CC&y �"� that gov; the al nce of a short-term rental someplace, whe� , ; t was g ' or not. H ar was that they were making a law that �� is so d� d t �:��t�--b mmunities that are not gated that also shor�`, , entals. ��t��wasn t sure what vehicle allowed it. Was ��\�� 's o � ws? Mr. Erwin explained that CC&R's are separate from ��\ our o ces �, do not enforce CC&R s. They are private contractual `Y�� rights be . � n th�� ividuals so that our zoning is totally separate and \° apart. As a ccomrri�idation on most of the places that have CC&R's, we �� ry to sug� t that people get the approval of their homeowner's � \�� ociation ore going through the processes with the City so there isn't flict , but our ordinances, once approved and passed, exist and wil� rced by the City regardless of CC&R's. CC&R's, however, even� , gh we might permit them in gated communities, the CC&R's being private contractual rights may say they can't have them in the gated community. That's something we don't even really look into; that's there and it's their regulation and we don't try to enforce it, we let them enforce that. Commissioner Schmidt asked if it would be prudent to have language in whatever this new short-term rental would be that speaks to exclusions to our ordinance, which would be CC&R's. She was just worried that they 9 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16� 2010 were making a Iaw that was covering something they really didn't know. Mr. Erwin said they were making a law that covers everything but gated communities. That's what they were really talking about, and there are areas that have CC&R's that may impact that that are not gated. Commissioner Schmidt said that was her point. Mr. Erwin said if they provide that as an exception, from his perspective that would require them as a staff to look at our ordinance, see if they are violating that, then look at the CC&R's and see if they are violating th in effect, potentially enforcing their CC&R's or not enforcing, ; ying our ordinance is subordinate to the CC&R's, and he wasn't, � ey wanted to go there in that process. It would also require them , �"� &R's, and he knew of examples in the city where we have G�& s thatb � ot enforced and yet the CC&R's might prohibit someth� s ��ike that an ��_„ we allow it. He thought they were going to run �t'�� a real enforcem`� �. roblem if they start trying to mold our ord��e into th� CC&R's � eal with it because there are differences, we ha�� umber of pl 3 that have CC&R's here in the city that are � �g��Commissioner Schmidt said that was her concern. �y using the wc�r� "gated communities" they are assuming that all gat��munities s��k to it. Mr. Erwin said another way to look at it, whi��:�h��;�uen't rea�n �oked at yet, is to talk about private streets. Almos��J ga�t`'��mur�i , have private streets as opposed to ublic str `�; , wh ��"�� be'�� other way to look at it, in effect pr hem w`_ r� � rd t��j��lic streets. If it's a gated comm , the s ts are ' `F�to be private. �� Com ioner C bell state� r.0 t the police have no jurisdiction on that becaus e � , �� 'ce ;;' e time because the neighbors were ;ng th way,�v� ` ,,�� ot correct, and they said they couldn't do �Oj/ to people for being parked the wrong way. Mr. Erwin said /j � j�� befor ��, av�� , m a final answer he would want to thmk about the ��„ CC&R is a lit ore, but he was a littte concerned that they may be ��//�/////�� getting intd� hole nch of things that are different because a lot of the °��///�j�,CC&R's will�, ve a variety of restrictions in them. Some will be restrictive `�%//, !, , ��one are , me in another; some are a lot older than others and they ge#� e elements of change in that as well. They could certainty loo �� d think about it a little bit more, but he was a�little concerned about g it to the CC&R's. From a land use side, Mr. Bagato said the thought right now was that in the R-1 zone they are required to have a conditional use permit, so most of those zones were going to be non- gated. They could identify only three or four that are gated and zoned R-1 as well. So R-1 zones are already treated differently, and if these people � have CC&R's saying they can have short-term rentals, they are supposed to have a conditional use permit and they may not. Again, the concern is that there are nine cases out there that we know are actively doing short- term rentals in the R-1 zone, and since the ordinance was adopted in 10 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16. 2010 2000, only two out of the five applicants that applied were approved. And the last comment from both the Planning Commission and City Council was this was not compatible in single-family zones, which typically is identified as the R-1 non-gated communities because some of the gated communities, although they are still single family, they tend to be secondary homes and this is also where they have higher end condominiums that are used as rentals even by the HOA. For example, The Falls came to mind. The HOA actually ha� u� Resort Management Company lease these properties for them �r, �e thought process was dealing with R-1 because they are kind of tr��tt+�ydifferently. :q �� Commissioner Schmidt noted that�, �� shoufc�� careful with the .: language because they might be � " ting their int��and not covering the rest of the city; that wa � point. So wherr �y said gated communities, she thought of gment. T ey were talki��t-1, which is a whole other one. In some o -1 ar, ` hose are pubt��streets, so she didn't know that that woul�� agreed that they must be careful. � ��.. � Chairperson Limont a�tl ��`'� �rould b�� per to ask staff to work in conjunction with couns�`� efor� 9` ;, ough � t comes back. Mr. Erwin said certain, Chairperst�, ;Limc� �b a�,th needed to have a study period, t , and ��3 `""�Id as� ';�estions and try to get this straig out. ;�� , �� Action: � . ��. None. 4, : �� j�i�// °�._ h,_ .h ,9 �� '��/��//////� for ' nal�report regarding recommended changes to the � � ,,,/ �, ( ) ,,� ide" d ned Residential HPR Zone Ordinance. ��i�, �� '�%/�j/� Mr. Stend � plain that at the January 19 meeting they had a lengthy �°��j��iscussion ut the Hillside Planned Residential zone. As Ms. Aylaian , cussed ;', er, staff would be back with a proposed draft at the next ng. minor changes would be made which staff believed would acc he goal as expressed by the Planning Commission at their last �' ng. Staff would also propose taking this opportunity through the Zoning Ordinance Amendment to clean up any identified mistakes by staff, primarily in the ridgeline map, which they had already identified in a few areas that there are some known mistakes out there. So staff would take a stab at them and would clean up some of that at the same time. He said staff would be back at the next meeting for the review by the Planning Commission. He asked if there were any questions. 11 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16, 2010 Commissioner Schmidt asked if Mr. Stendell was thinking about adding rock outcroppings in definitions, putting more prominence to it. Mr. Stendell said absolutely. A definition of outcropping and terms would be added. Staff would come back with a simple version as was discussed at the last Planning Commission meeting. As far as correcting the ridgeline, Commissioner Schmidt asked if the misplacements would be dealt with. ` Mr. Stendell said staff would like to. From a staff erspective, they have a city-initiated Zoning Ordinance Amendment .v.` this would be an appropriate time to take a look at anythin in the Hillside Planned Residential zone that needs to be looked �° issioner Schmidt noted that as Ms. Aylaian said, most of them��`� e �� finitely ridgelines and now with a definition of outcroppings, �t ecessa� eing a ridgeline but having its own designation, she thou��staff probab � uld take the first crack at revising whatever that rr��;��, but if they nee� � rveyed, was it possible to have questionable �� done? M� Stendell sa", has looked �,, at a couple of remaining parce��at are ��,��e very botto ;�.i ich seem � �,�a� to be where the inconsistencies o�� ,`ot to a point where staff was uncomfortable, it was ery nice work� �iirith a professional engineer on the previous case �� they hat��, only staff's opinion, but the � opinion of a registere�s � �� So if tfi� � er get to a point where staff thinks it is needed, but� _ thou ha �� od enough idea to take a stab at it Tk�� znice thin � ` out �" � , nc�=�s that it is ever changing and if sor�� s �E as fou hey�` always revisit it at that time. There �r��certa :. ,stance there where there is a ridgeline drawn on top �.�::�' dirt roa�,,��o ther � re some very obvious ones out there. Comi�t��oner S idt noted t a road can be along a ridgeline. She knew o1`��era��4 �� A�� . �. � �y�,. \\\\ ; �� , 3� ��V ' sion�� eLuna stated that she went through the internet and � ` pulle bout� ,� different cities throughout the country or throughout �� the wes� st, s"�� as close as Apple Valley, some as far as �aramie �� Wyoming, � they��`i��al specifically and have ordinances that deal with ��,� ock outcro� gs and ridgelines and some of the terminology might help, � she wo give that information to the Planning Department staff �� t to.' � efer to it to help. Mr. Stendell thanked her. Action: \��\ Receive and file. X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES Commissioner Campbell provided an update. 12 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16� 2010 B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE Chairperson Limont reviewed their last meeting's discussion items. C. PARKS & RECREATION Commissioner Tanner reported that there w s no meeting. D. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE ��`� �� Commissioner Schmidt said their : would be Monday. �� XI. COMMENTS �'-�� r.;�.� A. Ms. Aylaian indicated t � � email w sent out to`� dates. She could confirm a Housi� our of�-� city's affor�� housing developments. It was a jo u- � City Council takes that tour every year witt��the Housing �� ° ission. She thought it was an interesting v��;�.� .�ifferent t y of multi-family developments within the city ar'��e � �� ed an all Planning Commissioners to attend and to�� ase � to She believed that three Com ' ioners h alrea � t��de . Anyone else who could at uld be `. � .00 a iri�.,.:�ntil noon on March 18 so a on th � s cou reserved. �flt was pretty informative from ,�,�� ff's stan � int. The��uld see�things from a senior duplex to a ' gle-fam' esidence � n they have seven units per acre, as , se ��4 c � like we have at the Palma Village ,��jj� ,�,, Ap'"� � s. It giv �� an idea of what can be done and some of ��%;��, e is` for rypes of projects that could be coming forward in the i/// ,� e. %� �� %/, %��j� �, J p 9 9 The` er sa he date item was for a oint ublic hearin meetin � �� , �City Council and the Planning Commission. The time was with � %/�, firme , p for 4:00 p.m. on Wednesday, March 24. They would be j�%j� loo �� at the aquatic center. Because the time schedule on this �'�j ° t is rather aggressive, they were trying to move it forward and y decided that the most efficient way to do that would be hold a joint meeting with the City Council and Planning Commission so that both parties could review and take action on the project and the environmental documentation associated with the project. So please put that in their calendars for 4:00 p.m.; it would be noticed and they would have more information and an agenda in advance of that meeting. 13 MINUTES PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 16. 2010 Along the same line, Ms. Aylaian contacted both the outgoing chair and incoming chair. As a way of facilitating the aquatic center project, they identified the need to have two planning commissioners, a subcommittee, sit on a steering committee that has been developed for the aquatic center. Since they didn't have a meeting, she didn't have the opportunity to bring it before the whole Commission and ask, but did contact the outgoing chair, who then referred her to the incoming chair, and they identified that Vic��air Schmidt and Chair Limont would both serve on that steeri�� mmittee. The steering committee includes staff and two Cour��embers on it as well. She believed that there was also a Park��t"�tion member on it. They would be meeting several times b �,� en nc��id our meeting on the 24t� and would hopefully be� to keep i��€�nt of the steering committee the concerns tha lanning Comm n will be dealing with and looking for when ' es to the whole grou��X � � ��.. In the event that Chair L t or �' hair Schmidt �� unable to attend the aquatic center me missioner Tanner volunteered to fill in if ava�l�le. Commis Schmidt asked if Chair Limont wanted to say �i.� �� about to meeting. Chair Limont said no, not just yet. It u� ��: meeti d was a great design. She thought everybod�:, d v�� eally and this one actually has great, ntial of m` g fo��t�` � , � , �� B. ylaia - lained��8&K distributed a memorandum regarding update t Ralph �'S�rown Act on open meetings. There were a uple of nical ch�t� s that were made and staff would be �.. ' uti ' forr��ion. �.:� �%� ' �� ,��%r1��/////////// s n noted that t ere were no public hearing items scheduled ,%%� �, , . �� ar and that meeting would be canceled. The next meeting �'� � be 16. ,,�� ,� XII. ��/jy ADJOURNN��T o�i�� ;� ,� as m ' by Commissioner Schmidt, seconded by Commissioner C , e inute motion, adjourning the meeting. Motion carried 5-0. The mee s adjourned at 6:50 p.m. LAURI AYLAIAN, Secretary ATTEST: M. CONNOR LIMONT, Chair Palm Desert Planning Commission 14