HomeMy WebLinkAbout0916 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
September 16, 1974
MIDDLE SCHOOL - 7 : 00 P .M.
I . CALL TO ORDER
The regular meeting of the Palm Desert Planning Com-
mission was called to order by the Chairman at 7: 00
P.M. on September 16, 1974, at the Palm Desert Middle
School.
II . PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
III . ROLL CALL
Present : Commissioners : ED MULLINS, WILLIAM SEIDLER,
MARK K. VAN DE MARK, S. ROY
WILSON, C. ROBERT HUBBARD
Absent : Commissioners : NONE
Others Present :
Director of Environmental Services -
Paul A. Williams
City Attorney - Dave Erwin
Assistant Planner - Sam Freed
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. The minutes of the Planning Commission meeting
of September 3 , 1974, were approved as submitted.
V. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS - None
VI . PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chairman Hubbard explained the public hearing procedure .
A. Continued Case No. Change of Zone - 01-73-PD -
GERALD MOSS PROPERTIES - Consideration of final
Environmental Impact Report for a proposed project
located west of Painters Path and south of the
westerly extension of Avenue 44, W-2 and R-2-5000.
(Continued from Planning Commission meeting of
July 29. )
Chairman Hubbard declared the public hearing open
Mr. Paul Williams summarized the EIR report prepared
for Webb Engineering by Harry H. Schmitz. Staff did
address various comments received. Mr. Williams re-
ferred to map on wall described as subject property.
Mr. Williams read comments received from various agen-
cies. He indicated that the EIR does cover the EIR
concerns of the project.
Mr. John Sanborn, 600 E. Tahquitz-McCallum Way, Palm
wow Springs, representing Gerald Moss Properties, stated
that the applicant concurs with what is in the report
and will go along with Staff ' s recommendations.
Chairman Hubbard asked if anyone else wished to speak
in favor or against this project . There being no
further input , Chairman Hubbard declared the public
hearing closed.
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Commissioner Seidler moved by Resolution No. 4 and
Commissioner Wilson seconded that the report as filed
is complete and recommended that report be sent to
City Council for certification. The motion was un-
animously carried.
B. Continued Case No. Change of Zone - 01-73-PD -
GERALD MOSS PROPERTIES - Consideration of a re-
tow quest for a change of zone on property located
west of Painters Path and south of the westerly
extension of Avenue 44 from W-2 (Controlled De-
velopment) and R-2-5000 (Multiple Family Dwell-
ings) to C-P-S (Scenic Highway Commercial) , R-3
(Residential) , and N-A (Natural Assets) . Con-
tinued from Planning Commission meeting of July
29. ) - W-2 and R-2-5000.
Mr. Williams indicated that the applicant requested
the matter be continued to October 14 since Staff
found project is not in compliance with City' s Gen-
eral Plan and that a General Plan amendment would
have to be processed before this rezoning. The
applicant was notified of this and requested a con-
tinuance. It was stated that County had a file on
a request for General Plan amendment , and was filed
in January, 1974. Staff feels continuance should be
denied and request for rezoning is not considered
for a number of reasons. Mr. Williams
read the Staff Report spelling out the five concerns.
He requested the rezoning be denied at this time.
Chairman Hubbard stated that the Planning Commission
tow did not intend to pass judgment , just that we' re
caught with a situation where a new General Plan is
being formulated. He stated he would prefer setting
the hearing to a later date so that the whole picture
could be looked at .
Mr . John Sanford, representing the applicant , stated
he appreciated the concern. He suggested that a re-
quest be made to continue this application until such
time as a General Plan for this area has been adopted
or amended.
Chairman Hubbard declared that the item be continued
in January, 1975.
Mr . Williams asked if January 13 was satisfactory.
Mr. Sanborn replied, yes.
Chairman Hubbard asked if anyone else wished to speak
for or against this project . There being none, the
public hearing was declared closed.
Commissioner Wilson moved and Commissioner Van de Mark
seconded that the matter be continued to January 13 ,
1975 meeting. The motion was unanimously carried.
C. Case No. Zoning Ordinance Amendment - 01-74 - Con-
sideration of Zone Code Amendment to revise the
parking standards - Section 1-. 12.
Chairman Hubbard opened the public hearing.
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Mr. Williams stated that Wilsey & Ham had provided
the City with the proposed Parking Standards. Wil-
sey & Ham did a good job in creating these standards ,
but failed to modify them in some areas Staff felt
were of importance.
Mr. Williams then described the modified sections of
the Ordinance. Staff added Section 2 A (page 2) re-
garding tandem parking spaces. It was suggested
r.r that an addition for mobile homes be added to it .
Section 3 speaks of various development standards of
parking areas. The main area changed in this section
deals with the Architectural Review Board. Section 4
deals with Standards of Development with regard to
residential uses. Section 5 - Parking Design Stand-
ards - added is one area Reserved for Parking Layout
Drawings. Drawings would be included in the ordin-
ance at a future date. Section 5 (7) , Mr. Williams
read the five Special Parking Design Standards (a
through e) . Section 6 speaks to Residential off-
street parking. It was recommended that Section 6
(1) should read, "Single Family Parking Requirements
(conventional detached, or mobile homes) . "
Staff has prepared a resolution embodying recommen-
dations of the City for Parking Standards and it was
recommended that the Commission recommend the stand-
ards to the City Council for adoption.
Mr. Robert Ricciardi , 73-700 Highway 111, stated that
on page 3, Section 3 (1) it should be noted that 10
feet width is excessive for off-street parking stalls.
He stated that 9 feet is most widely used. He felt
we were upgrading standards throughout most of this
ordinance, even more than Palm Springs standards. He
stated he would like to see 9 feet by 20 feet space.
Regarding Section 3 (6) parking of compact cars , he
stated that the 72 foot x 15 foot space is not going
to work. It has been tried by developers before, and
most people with compact cars prefer not to park in
these spaces because they are not in convenient areas
of the parking lot , and they park in spaces designated
for larger vehicles. Doing this, the person driving
a larger car is penalized because he can't park in a
compact car space. He stat ed that Bob Gragg would
speak regarding survey made of compact car spaces in
parking lots .
Chairman Hubbard disagreed with Mr. Ricciardi' s com-
ments about the compact car spaces in parking lots.
He stated that he read an article in Business Services,
and according to that article, it is very successful.
It reduces the amount of asphalt by 30%, and is some-
thing to consider.
Mr . Ricciardi stated he would like to see the Citizens
Advisory Committee have a chance to talk on this.
Chairman Hubbard asked if there was anyone else wish-
ing to discuss this.
Robert W. Gragg, 1840 West Imperial Highway, Los An-
geles, stated that there are some centers trying this
compact car space system and according to studies, it
is working in some centers, and in some it is not
working. It depends upon the cooperation of the in-
dividuals using the parking lot . There is no real way
to force people to use these spaces , people can' t be
cited, but they can be asked to leave these spaces by
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a guard and, of course, they resent it . This is
strictly experimental, and if it works, it ' s good,
so far it has not worked. He also confirmed that his
company is installing some in their shopping centers.
In that no other persons wished to be heard, Chair-
man Hubbard declared the public hearing closed.
Chairman Hubbard asked if any commissioners wished
to speak regarding this matter.
Chairman Hubbard stated that Mr. Ricciardi had a good
point on the 9 feet . There are more 9 foot stalls
across the country than 10 feet . It would be nice
to have 10 feet .
Commissioner Seidler stated that he would like to
ask Staff what the rationale is, given by consultants
regarding 10 feet versus 9 feet .
Mr. Williams stated that the consultant felt there
are many large cars around Palm Desert and the addi-
tional 6 inches on each side of the car does allow
for large doors opening. The 9 foot x 20 foot does
cause problems for large cars. On that basis, the 10
foot x 20 foot was recommended.
Chairman Hubbard called for a motion.
Commissioner Wilson moved, Commissioner Van de Mark
seconded the motion that by Planning Commission
Resolution No. 5, as amended, the Commission recom-
mended adoption to the City Council. The motion
was unanimously carried.
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D. Case No. Conditional Use Permit No. 1357 - ENVIRON-
MENTAL DEVELOPMENT CORP, for MOUNTAINBACK - Con-
sideration of an amendment of CUP No. 1357 to per-
mit a re-design of the site plan for the third and
final phase of the project encompassing 33 . 6 acres
located west of State Highway 74 and south of the
westerly extension of Homestead. (Continued from
Planning Commission meeting of July 1 , 1974. ) -
R-2-7000.
Chairman Hubbard opened the public hearing.
Mr. Williams gave the Staff Report which recommended
approval subject to conditions .
Chairman Hubbard asked the commissioners if they had
any questions of Staff.
Commissioner Wilson suggested that in the conditions
of approval , under (c) , Coachella Valley Flood Con-
trol should be listed as an agency.
Mr. Williams stated that Condition (b) should be
changed since it is Council policy that models may be
r.. built only after a final subdivision map has been re-
corded. The Commission agreed with this change.
Mr. Scott Biddle, Biddle Development Co. , 1970 Placen-
tia Avenue, Costa Mesa, stated there were some condi-
tions he would like to review. Item (f) , he requested
management company be restated to read "Home Owners
Association" . Item (g) , the wall. He showed slides
of the existing development to show what had been done
with palm trees to screen the development from High-
way 74. He stated a wall tends to close in a project .
Regarding Item (j ) , the requirement of two covered
parking spaces per dwelling unit was discussed. Item
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(n) , he stated they will reduce the light standards
on the tennis court to cut glare.
Chairman Hubbard asked the Staff that in Item (g)
if it would be acceptable to delete the sentence
about the block wall and leaving it to read, "land-
scaping of front" .
I too Mr. Williams stated that "landscaping and mounding"
would be acceptable.
Commissioner Wilson made the minute motion that Item
(j ) be amended to read, "the project is to include
at least one covered parking space per dwelling unit .
Commissioner Van de Mark seconded the motion. Motion
was carried by the following vote :
AYES : WILSON, HUBBARD, VAN DE MARK
NOES : MULLINS SEIDLER
Justification for not requiring two covered spaces
was the fact that the existing units did not have
two covered spaces.
Commissioner Mullins made the motion and Commissioner
Van de Mark seconded the motion that by Planning Com-
mission Resolution No. 6, the amended C.U.P. be ap-
proved with Conditions f, g. j and n as amended. The
motion was unanimously carried.
VII . OLD BUSINESS
A. Continued Case No. P.P. 1C - R. RICCIARDI for
'� •+► MARKET BASKET - Consideration of Plot Plan for
remodeling for project for Market Basket and ad-
jacent store . (Continued from Planning Commis-
sion meeting of September 3, 1974. ) - C-P-S.
Staff stated the applicant recently submitted revi-
sions of the front of the Market Basket store . He
described the revisions. He stated that the major
bone of contention was the underground utilities.
Staff re-evaluated that portion of the conditions
and recommended that a cash bond could be required.
Other than that , the conditions remain the same.
Noel Burks, 1053 Visalia, Costa Mesa, stated that
Market Basekt has been in Palm Desert for 11 years
and would like to continue. He stated Market Bas-
ket is not opposed to undergrounding, but he feels
it should not be required at this time. He stated
that Market Basket would put up a cash bond or pro-
vide a legal instrument for undergrounding.
After some discussion as to the term "cash bond" and
"surety bond" Commissioner Mullins moved and Com-
missioner Wilson seconded that Resolution No. 7 be
approved as written and that cash bond be changed to
read "surety bond" . Motion was unanimously carried.
B. Continued Case No. P.P. 30SF - CAROLE BROWNLEE -
Consideration of Plot Plan for a single-family
dwelling unit to be located on the north side of
Alessandro, just west of San Pascual. (Continued
from Planning Commission meeting of September 3,
1974. ) - R-3 .
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Staff presented the recommendations for denial unless
the dwelling were enlarged to 11 square feet .
Chairman Hubbard asked if the applicant was present .
Mr. Monte Thornberg, 82-232 Tahquitz Street , Indio ,
representing persons who will be doing the building,
stated that the applicant is just interested in put-
ting up a building on the existing slab and meeting
the parking requirements.
Commissioner Wilson moved, Commissioner Van de Mark
seconded the motion to approve Resolution No. 8 sub-
ject to Staff conditions with the dwelling required
to be enlarged to 940 square feet . The motion was
unanimously carried.
The meeting adjourned at 9:40 P.M. for a 10 minute
recess.
The meeting opened again at 9 : 50 P.M.
VIII . NEW BUSINESS
A. Case No. P.P. 13MF - SAFREN DEVELOPMENT CO. -
Consideration of Plot Plan for 68-unit condo-
minium project located on 21. 5 acres which are
situated west of Cook Street and southerly from
Highway 111 - R-1-10, 000.
Mr. Williams recommended, per the applicant ' s request ,
due to a religious holiday, that this matter be con-
tinued to the September 30 Planning Commission meet-
ing.
Commissioner Mullins moved, Commissioner Seidler
seconded the motion to continue the case to September
30 Planning Commission meeting. The motion was un-
animously carried.
B. Case No. Tract 4442 - ENVIRONMENTAL DEVELOPMENT
CORP. - for MOUNTAINBACK - Consideration of a
revised tentative map for Tract 4442 for the
third and final phase of the Mountainback de-
velopment , with 209 condominium units on 33. 6
acres located west of State Highway 74 and south
of the westerly extension of Homestead. (Con-
tinued from Planning Commission meeting of July
1 , 1974. ) - R-2-7000.
Mr. Williams showed the tract representing the re-
vised map . He recommended that Item 8 show Home
Owners Association in lieu of Management Company.
Chairman Hubbard asked if the commissioners had any
questions. There being none , he asked if the appli-
cant cared to add anything to what was said.
+r.r Mr. Biddle stated that they were prepared, willing
and anxious to accept all conditions.
Commissioner Mullins moved and Commissioner Van de Mark
seconded the motion to approve Resolution No. 9 as
amended to change the words Management Company to
Home Owners Association. The motion was unanimously
carried.
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C. Requesting the Determination for Proposed Pub-
lic Works Projects in the City of Palm Desert .
Mr. Williams read the Coachella Valley County Water
District public works list . Since the project was
in conformance with the City ' s General Plan, Staff
recommended that the Planning Commission make such
a finding. Mr. Williams recommended adoption of
fir.. Resolution No. 10.
Commissioner Seidler moved and Commissioner Wilson
seconded the Resolution be approved and adopted.
The motion was unanimously carried.
IX. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
X. COMMENTS
A. City Staff
Mr. Williams stated there were informational items
in the packets, the most important of which was the
report presented to the City Council on the Core
Area Plan and information that deals with projects
that go beyond the Core Area Plan. He stated the
Council had established two committees ; a Finance
Committee and a Traffic Committee in the Core Area.
Council would make the announcement of the names
on September 26 of the Committee.
Chairman Hubbard asked if the Commission wished to
select the Planning Commissioner member of the Traf-
fic Committee.
Commissioner Wilson suggested Bill Seidler was on
the Citizens Advisory Committee Traffic Committee and
with that important background he might be good to
represent us on this.
Chairman Hubbard asked Commissioner Seidler if he
would act .
Commissioner Seidler stated he would be pleased to.
Commissioner Seidler than asked a question about the
proposed schedule for planning activities relative
to the General Plan. He wanted to know what is going
on during the period from November 7 to December 3
concerning the General Plan.
Mr. Williams stated that the main thing going on is
the EIR was circulated and comments would be coming
back from the agencies. The other item is the Citi-
zens Advisory Committee would meet and evaluate the
General Plan elements to finalize their recommendations .
Chairman Hubbard asked if it would be possible for the
commissioners to sit in on the meetings of the Citi-
zens Advisory Committee regarding the General Plan.
He stated the commission needed some background be-
fore December 7. Mr. Williams indicated that the
Citizens Advisory Committee would welcome the attend-
ance of the Planning Commission at their meetings.
Mr. Williams stated that if there were any questions
about this schedule, to please call him.
B. City Attorney - None
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C. Planning Commissioners - None
XI . ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Seidler moved and Commissioner Wilson
seconded the meeting be adjourned. The motion was
unanimously carried. The meeting was adjourned at
10: 15 P.M.
VOW
PAUL A. WILLIAMS, Secretary
ATTEST:
ERT HUBBARD, Chairman
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