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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
TUESDAY - OCTOBER 6, 1987
7:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAFER
73-510 FRED WARING DRIVE
NO STUDY SESSION WAS HELD.
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Erwood called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
I1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Richards led in the pledge of allegiance.
Ill. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Rick Erwood, Chairman
Bob Downs
Faith Ladlow
Jim Richards
Members Absent: Carol Whitlock
Staff Present: Catherine Sass
Tim Connor
Phil Drell
Bob Smith
Joe Gaugush
Tonya Monroe
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Consideration of September 15 and 22, 1987 meeting minutes.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Ladlow,
approving the September 15 and 22 meeting minutes as submitted.
Carried 4-0.
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Ms. Sass summarized September 24 council actions at they pertained
to planning commission.
V1 . CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 87-10 - MONTEREY INVESTMENT GROUP, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to
merge lots 2-4 and portion of lot 1 into two
parcels.
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B. Case No. PMM 87-11 - RAY-AL ENTERPRISES, INC., Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to
allow consolidation of three existing parcels.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
approving the consent calendar by minute motion. Carried 4-0.
VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Continued Case No. CUP 87-10 - ARCO PETROLEUM PRODUCTS,
Applicant
Request for approval of a negative declaration
of environmental impact and conditional use
permit to allow construction of a gasoline
station and mini-market at the northwest corner
of Portola Avenue and Highway Ill .
Chairman Erwood asked staff why this item was placed under public
hearings. Mr. Drell explained that it was due to conditions of
approval and new state laws relative to restrictions on selling
alcoholic beverages for convenience stores. Chairman Erwood
requested clarification from Mr. Connor as to reopening the public
testimony . Mr . Connor replied that it would require
re-advertisement.
Commission discussed the new conditions and determined that
conditions 6 and 7 be deleted, with the understanding that they would
be discussed by city council if this item is called up.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Downs,
adopting the findings as presented by staff. Vote: 2-2 (Chairman
Erwood and Commission Ladlow voted no. )
Mr. Connor clarified that this no action was tantamount to a denial
and the applicant has the right to appeal to city council .
B. Continued Case No. ZOA 87-3 - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of an amendment to zoning
ordinance chapter 25.58.070 A & 6 to allow
special limitations in the residential zone.
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Mr. Bob Smith outlined the salient points of the staff report.
Commissioner Richards asked for clarification regarding size of
sideyard setbacks. Staff indicated five feet is the minimum,
depending on the zone. Commission discussed the possibility of that
amount of space being inadequate, as well as older areas not having
space to pull motor homes/vehicles to the back of the property.
Commission also discussed the city providing a facility for this
type of storage, but it was noted that there are a couple of these
type of facilities, and vandalism is a big problem even with 24 hour
security.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if anyone
present wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the proposed.
There being no one, the public testimony was closed.
Commissioner Richards suggested that the city use a conditional use
permit process to receive neighbor approval . Commissioner Richards
felt that there should be more citizen input and recommended a
continuance to allow staff to prepare a process of approval and to
send a news release to the newspapers.
Chairman Erwood re-opened the public testimony for purposes of
continuance.
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MR. VIC EFFINGER agreed with commission. He indicated that he
was a member of the board of directors for Hidden Palms and
expressed concern regarding parking problems and indicated they
are against motor homes in their association CCBR's. He
explained that they were having problems with someone who has
several vans. Mr. Smith explained that the vans were for a home
business. Mr. Effinger stated that it was against their CC&R's,
but indicated that the person may be moving. He felt that
parking control was a problem in the city.
There being no further comment, Chairman Erwood asked for a motion
of continuance.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Ladlow,
continuing ZOA 87-3 to November 3, 1987, and instructing staff to
prepare a news release. Carried 4-0.
C. Case No. CUP 87-12 - VILLAGE BUTCHER, Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit
to sell alcoholic beverages at 74-410 Highway
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Ms . Sass explained the request and recommended approval .
Commissioner Ladlow asked about controls and Ms. Sass noted that if
problems occur, the conditional use permit can be revoked.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if the
applicant wished to address the commission. No one came forward.
Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposed. There being no one, the public testimony
was closed.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
adopting the findings as presented by staff. Carried 4-0.
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1256, approving CUP
87-12. Carried 5-0.
D. Case No. PP 87-29 - DOVELAND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, Applicant
Request for approval of a precise plan of design
and negative declaration of environmental impact
to allow construction of a 7293 square foot ern
retail commercial building on the south side of
E1 Paseo, 180 feet east of San Luis Rey.
Ms. Sass clarified that the square footage is 7293 per the staff
report and indicated that condition #10 should read that a six foot
block wall be provided to comply with code. Staff also noted that
the landscaping was deficient and had concerns regarding parking, but
felt that if corrected, staff could recommend approval .
Commission discussed the circulation and staff indicated that the
applicant could address the history of the property.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if the
applicant wished to address the commission.
MR. CLEMENTE TRANCUSO, 1900 E. Tahquitz Suite B4 in Palm
Springs, stated that landscaping was being provided at 15. 17
percent. He indicated that they have been trying to get an
easement from City National Bank and have asked for help by the
redevelopment agency and noted that approval has been held up
in the bank's legal department.
Commissioner Richards asked if the redevelopment agency had the
power to subpoena the bank officials to state their reasons for not
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granting the easement. Mr. Connor stated that he was not aware of
any laws to that effect.
Commission discussed the plan's circulation and stated that it was
unsafe and an alternate circulation plan should be done.
Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposed.
MR. LEN WYNEGAR outlined the history of the property and
suggested an additional curb cut on El Paseo.
Commissioner Richards noted that staff prefers to see less driveways
on El Paseo, but felt that this was a safety issue. Mr. Gaugush
indicated that a drive would be possible if that was the commission's
wish. Commissioner Richards felt that the applicant should come
back one more time with two driveways and the plan should meet the
requirements for parking and landscaping.
MS. JO MCCART, 47-440 Robat Drive, asked what phase 11 was.
The applicant indicated that the phasing had been eliminated.
Ms. McCart indicated that she owns Prickly Pear Square.
She stated that the applicant had tried to bat her down in
low previous meetings by using the city negotiation committee and
felt that it was like terrorism. She indicated that Doveland
Corporation have not used the most tactful manner and stated
that there was more to this case than meets the eye. She stated
that commission would do well to go into this and commended
commission for their interest.
Chairman Erwood asked if there was a motion for continuance.
The applicant indicated that a two-week continuance would be
sufficient time to have new plans.
Ms. Sass requested clarification as to whether or not commission
would be recommending help by the redevelopment agency for the
easement. Commissioner Richards stated that while an easement would
be preferred, they would not hold up the project if the revised plan
is acceptable.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Ladlow,
continuing PP 87-29 to October 20 to allow the applicant the present
a new plan. Carried 4-0.
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VIII. MISCELLANEOUS
A. Case Nos. GPA 87-4, C/Z 87-6, PP 87-28 - DAVID AND MARY
STOLTZMAN, Applicants
Request for adoption of a resolution of denial
that commission instructed staff to prepare.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
adopting the findings as presented by staff. Carried 4-0.
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1257, denying GPA 87-4,
C/Z 87-6, PP 87-28. Carried 4-0.
8. Coachella Valley Water District Informational Item.
Commissioner Richards provided background information on the adjacent
property from Wedgewood Glen and Mr. Gaugush indicated that the
construction of the channel would help the property's future
development.
IX. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
MR. SANDY BAUM, 45-800 Deep Canyon, asked commission if it would be
appropriate for Arco to appeal to the planning commission in view of
the agenda Item order. Chairman Erwood stated that the item was
handled in the proper manner and should be appealed to the city
council .
Mr. Baum also felt that oral communications should be taken at the
beginning and end of the meeting, citing no. B as saying that,
"comments may be deferred until such time on the agenda as the item
is discussed," which is not an appropriate statement for the end of
the meeting.
X. COMMENTS
None.
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XI. ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
adjourning the meeting. Carried 4-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:07 p.m.
RAMON A. DIAZ, Secret
ATTEST:
RICHARD ERWOOD, CHAIRMAN
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7:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER
73-510 FRED HARING DRIVE
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NO STUDY SESSION WAS HELD PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Erwood called the meeting to order at 7:04 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Whitlock led in the pledge of allegiance.
Ill. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Rick Erwood, Chairman
Faith Ladlow
Jim Richards
Carol Whitlock
Members Absent: Commissioner Downs
Staff Present: Ray Diaz
Tim Connor
v.� Dick Folkers
Tonya Monroe
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
No minutes were submitted for review.
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Mr. Diaz explained there had not been any council meetings since the
last planning commission meeting.
V1. CONSENT CALENDAR
None.
VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. North Sphere Specific Plan and Draft Environmental Impact
Report - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for consideration of the North Sphere
Specific Plan and Draft Environmental Impact
Report for the area generally located south of
Interstate 10, west of Washington Street, north
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of 42nd and the Whitewater Channel , and east of
Monterey Avenue.
Mr. Jay Claiborne of the firm Wallace, Roberts, and Todd introduced
his associate Diane Ochi . Mr. Claiborne and Ms. Ochi gave a
presentation on the proposed plan by outlining the proposed zones
and land uses.
Commissioner Richards noted that the city hired this firm to complete
this study and they interviewed many people in the city to determine
city goals. Commissioner Richards indicated that the consultants
had outlined the mechanics of the study, but asked how this would be
implemented and what the next step would be. Mr. Diaz explained
that the commission should solicit comments from the audience, who
probably have not had a chance to review the plan, then continue the
hearing to a date certain. He stated that this would allow folks to
come to the community development department to see the plan and
indicated that once the environmental impact report has been
completed with changes by commission and after the review period,
city council would review the plan and ultimately adopt a specific
plan. He felt that it would be a two to three month process.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the proposed plan. �■Mr
MR. F.X. MACDONALD, 1900 East Ocean Boulevard in Long Beach,
stated that he has been a real estate developer for 40 years.
He indicated that the study shows a junior golf course on his
property, which would result in down-zoning, citing a recent
supreme court decision against this. He stated that he was
vehemently against this change.
MR. NICOLE CRIST, Terra Nova, stated that their firm represents
several land owners of five acres parcels along Portola, Gerald
Ford, and Frank Sinatra. She expressed concern for the
neighborhood area parks on either end of this area, use of
the neighborhood park on Gerald Ford and Portola where no
parking seems to be allowed because of the intersection being a
major arterial and averaging 60,000 daily trips, and indicated
that she looks forward to reviewing the EIR and plan further
before adoption.
MR. PHILLIP MOORE, 74-070 Old Prospector, spoke as the Youth
Soccer Association representative. He felt that facilities
should be provided for youth sports in the north sphere, other
than golf. He indicated that he was aware of the plans for the
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civic center area, but did not feel they would be adequate. He
also stated that liqhted facilities are needed. He indicated
that the sports complex was being shared with the high school ,
which damages the field and reduces time allowed for them on
the fields.
MS. MARGARET SOUTHERLAND read a statement by Mr. Tom Dodson,
representing Rancho Mirage Commerce Center (attached as an
exhibit) . She felt that an inadequate amount of time had been
given for review, noted that Riverside County zoned the property
commercial , while this study would reduce it to low density
residential , and noise impact from railroad tracks would be
unacceptable. She also indicated that her client did not wish
to become part of the City of Palm Desert.
MR. GORDON PAULAS, 37-711 Peacock Circle in Rancho Mirage,
representing Robert Meyer and 40 acres on the northeast corner
of Monterey and Country Club. He outlined the plan's zoning
designation for this property. He felt that the entry park
should be half and acre instead of one acre. He stated that
their was a firm interested in developing a commercial use for
that corner. He mentioned traffic figures and stated that Mayor
Kelly had responded to that issue by saying that the traffic
r..� generation would not necessarily be attributable to the Carver
Center but because Monterey is now a major access to the
Interstate. He stated that he does not contest too much of the
findings except the 24,000 square feet of commercial barely
being enough for a convenience commercial center. As the major
entry point from the city from Rancho Mirage, he did not feel
24,000 square feet would attract any good development. He
questioned the 200,000 square feet of office park and thought
the corner should be treated more like the corner across the
street, which is approximately 9.85 commercial center and asked
the commission to consider this.
MR. WILLIAM DAVIS, 3921 Aruba in Huntington Beach, property
owner south of Country Club Drive, expressed concern regarding
rezoning for light industrial across from the entrance of the
resort. He had no objections to the plan except as to how it
affects the Palm Desert Resort. He suggested that it be
mitigated by creating a buffer zone of landscaping to take away
the severity of that zoning next to residential .
MRS. SUSAN MACK, Parks and Recreation Commissioner, stated they
have not had a chance to review the plan and considering
the number of parks, it felt would be appropriate.
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MS. ELEANOR FALK, owner of 40 acres off Cook and Portola,
asked if it would be appropriate for property owners to contact
the consultants directly. Mr. Diaz explained that over 6,000
notices had been sent out and if everyone wanted to contact
them, they wouldn't get anything done. He suggested that items
be brought to staff and he will contact them.
MR. RICK MILLER, 43-595 Pomeo, stated that he was present to
support Phil Moore and the youth. He felt this was a fine
plan, but that more attention should be given to youth
facilities. Commissioner Richards outlined the proposed
facilities for the civic center site and Ms. Ochi described in
more detail plans for a school and adjacent recreational areas.
MR. PHIL BURNS, 28-552 La Cumbrey in Laguna Nigel , owner of
property at Portola and Gerald Ford. He stated that he has
spoken to 12 owners of property in the area and all are
concerned with how the plan slices through the boundaries of
their property. He also wanted to know if the city would
purchase the property at fair market value if the owners do
not agree with the plan.
Commissioner Richards stated that was one consideration that will be rIi
taken under discussion. Mr. Diaz also explained that if property
owners are ready to develop, they still have the rights to develop
under present zoning and if a conflict comes about, decisions will
have to be made.
MS. MARY DRURY, speaking as a Palm Desert resident, noted that
a recent transportation study had been completed by SCAG calling
for Tamarisk Row Drive (Kansas) to be an extension of Dinah
Shore, called the mid-valley parkway. However, the plan did not
mention the existence of that. She noted that a north parkway
Is called out that appears to take the place of the Tamarisk Row
Drive and gives a connection point of Dinah Shore to the west
but not a termination point. She asked what is being planned
for the north parkway and where it terminates to the east. Mr.
Diaz stated that Tamarisk Road will end at Frank Sinatra at
Avondale and didn't know what it would be called.
MR. MIKE SMITH, 73-080 E1 Paseo, stated he was representing
several clients opposing the proposed specific plan, People's
Mortgage, who own a full mile on Monterey Avenue and currently
have 20 acres zoned commercial and 300 acres of PR-5, of
which they feel the plan would be detrimental . Also
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representing Gale Messick, 72 acre owner adjacent to railroad
tracks with property proposed to be zoned PR-3 and he feels it
should remain industrial .
MR. JAMES PETERSON, 76-551 Daffodil Drive in Palm Valley,
commended the planning commission and the city for their
foresight in preparing this plan before development gets on top
of them. He felt that the consultants had worked with the
environment in developing the plan. He liked the parks,
shelter belts, but realized it might be difficult to implement
and encouraged the city to maintain the natural features. He
also discussed bikepaths.
MR. ROB SHAPIRO, 6523 Hisperia in Recida, stated that he owned
several five acre parcels and indicated that the bikepaths go
right through his property. He said he had plans to develop
and wanted to know if he should wait until the bikepaths are
In. Mr. Diaz replied that if Mr. Shapiro has development plans
and is ready to file, he could bring them into the office or
make an appointment to discuss it.
MR. LIONEL STEINBERG, 57-800 Philmore in Thermal , complimented
the city council , planning commission and WRT for a great
low attempt to achieve a 20 year plan, and felt it was a good plan
and workable with a few changes. He Indicated that 20 acres of
commercial has been changed to parks and suggested adding the
adjoining 20 acres on Portola and Frank Sinatra to make an
outstanding park and indicated the city should act
expeditiously. He felt that the commercial zoning should be
respected and also encouraged the city to move forward with
this.
MR. RICHARD SMITH, Smith Peroni & Fox, representing the property
owner on the northeast corner of Frank Sinatra and Monterey,
indicated the property is in Rancho Mirage, but shown on this
plan. He stated that it was on the Palm Desert side of
Monterey, but if the city wishes to deannex the property, they
will have to be more lucrative. He also represents property
owners in the county area and suggested that the city needs to
look at consistency with county zoning, because there is no
reason to annex into Palm Desert if they are happy with county
zoning.
MR. RICHARD OLIPHANT, 77-900 Avenue of the States, indicated
he was representing Country Club Care Center in section 4.
During the presentation he had not heard the consultant explain
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uses for medical centers and updated the commission on the law
progress of their project. He wanted to make sure they were
identified on the section 4 map. Mr. Diaz explained that the
moratorium is over and Mr. Oliphant could proceed.
MR. DAN STICKLES, 74-360 Angeles Camp, stated that he felt that
the hotels should build the dormitory housing on their own
grounds and have security to take care of it.
Chairman Erwood indicated that the public hearing would remain open
and asked for commission comments.
Commissioner Richards congratulated the firm on identifying the
goals of the city. He felt that several valid items of concern had
been brought up, i .e. dormitory housing. Commissioner Whitlock also
indicated that she would like more information on the dormitory
housing. Chairman Erwood noted the concerns voiced affecting Palm
Desert Resort, the freeway zoning, and industrial areas.
Mr. Diaz recommended that this be continued to a Tuesday other than
regular planning commission meeting dates. Commission decided on
October 27. Commissioner Ladlow suggested that information be made
available, Mr. Diaz concurred and noted that this would allow
sufficient time for parks and recreation commission review. UAW
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Ladlow,
continuing this matter to October 27, 1987. Carried 4-0.
V111 . MISCELLANEOUS
None.
IX. ORAL CON MUN[CATIONS
None.
X. COMMENTS
None.
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XI. ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Chairman Erwood, seconded by Commissioner Whitlock,
adjourning the meeting. Carried 4-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:08 p.m.
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