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TUESDAY, JUTE 21, 1988
7:00 P.M. AEMINISTRATIVE CONFERENCE R=4
73-510 FRID WARING DRIVE
NO STUDY SESSION WAS HELD.
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Erwood called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Downs led the Pledge of Allegiance.
III. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Rick Enmood, Chairman
Bob Downs
Jim Richards
Carol Whitlock
Members Absent: Faith Ladlow
Staff Present: Ray Diaz
VM„ Kandy Allen
Gregg Holtz
Phil Joy
Catherine Sass
Ruthie Worthy
Mr. Diaz introduced Ruthie L. Worthy, who will fill in for Tonya
Monroe during her vacation.
IV. APPRUVAL OF MINUTES:
Consideration of the June 7, 1988 meeting minutes.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Whitlock, seconded by Catrnissioner Dawns,
approving June 7, 1988 meeting minutes as submitted.
V. SCE 4WV OF COUNCIL ACTION
Mr. Diaz reported that the council did consider a zoning ordinance
amendment relating to control of color in the hillside area and
wishes to have the chairman present the coRmission's position on the
proposed change.
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VI. CCNSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. VAR 87-1 RALPH SANIO PIEIRD, Applicant
Request for approval of a one-year time extension for a
previously approved request for a rear yard setback from 20
feet to 8 feet for the R-1 10,000 zoned property located at
47-817 San Corral.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Downs,
approving consent calendar by minute motion. Carried 4-0.
VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Ccntin ued Case Nos. GPA 87-6, C/Z 87-13, and PP 87-37 - COOK
H1VLEY STREET ASSOCIATES, Applicant
Request for approval of a general plan amendment, change of
zone, negative declaration of environmental impact, precise
plan of design and development agreement to construct 612
apartments on the south side of Havley Lane, approximately
1,300 feet east of Portola Avenue. No
Ms. Sass explained that this case was continued at the applicant's
request. Staff informed the commission mission that the Palm Desert Parks
and Recreation Commission would accept a compromise of reducing the
adjacent open space to 20 acres and expanding the project by five
acres if it would resolve the crowding concern raised by the
commission. The applicant had redesigned plans to accommodate
concerns expressed to date. Camussioner Downs asked how many units
per acre would be built on the site. Ms. Sass calculated that there
are 20 units per acre, 17 on the expanded site. Staff supports a
recommendation for approval because it finds the project meets or
exceeds code requirements.
Mr. Diaz indicated that the issue of over-crowding should be
considered because it was one of the concerns discussed at the Parks
and Recreation Commission. The revised plan does not show the
additional five acres donated to the apartment project.
Commissioner Richards asked whether or not they could design a park
on this site. Mr. Diaz clarified that the only issue brought to the
Parks and Recreation Camtission was one of ultimate park size.
Engineering information which should have been received is not yet
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ftow available. Information should be given to the council regarding
development as a park site. In response to further questions, Mr.
Diaz stated that the Parks and Recreation Commission reluctantly
affirmed a 4-1 vote to a compromise reducing the park to 20 acres if
it resolved the commission's concern over project crowding.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if anyone
present wished to speak in FAVOR of the proposed.
MR. JACK BUTLER, 2401 Colorado Drive, Santa Monica,spoke in
favor of the project and explained that the current plan was
arrived at from testimony received at the April 5 public hearing
and meetings with adjacent ,property owners. The developer
stated that it was planned to master grade the entire site and
that the drainage concerns would be addressed.
Commissioner Richards expressed concern that sufficient information
on the park design was not available.
MR. EDWARD DYER, Desert Youth Sports, spoke in favor of the
project and stated that his group had commissioned a local
architect to draw a plan. He felt the site could accommodate
lighted fields and a snack bar.
Commissioner Richards stated that perhaps the person who needs to
address the commission is here. Mr. Butler believes we can design
what is needed. Mr. Butler stated that a ball field can be lowered,
if need be, so as to serve as a retention base. Commissioner
Richards added that, until a basic grading plan is available, we
cannot give a specific answer. Further discussion ensued regarding
potential park facilities and drainage issues.
Mr. Butler explained that a very nice project can be designed at the
requested density. The project has a clubhouse and physical fitness
center. The development provided 10%- of the units as affordable.
All units have microwaves and fireplaces. They are managed very
proficiently; there are security guards on duty, and the site manager
is on the premises 24 hours a day. .
In response to Commissioner Richards' question, Ms. Sass stated the
drainage issue could be handled by retaining the water on site. The
applicant wishes to drain into the existing retention base.
Commissioner Richards said he would like to see the ball fields
lowered.
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Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak in OPPOSITION
to the proposed.
Speaking against the proposal was F.R. KI)ONALD of 1900 E. Ocean
Boulevard, Long Beach: With the corruption going on in Washington,
it is no surprise to see the same in this project. If I were to take
this plan to kindergartners, I would have to tell them that you can't
put a square peg in a round hole. I would tell the children when
they try to put a 20-acre project across from a Marriott Hotel
project, the latter wants to be sure no one else puts anything in
that location. They acquired another 160 acres. We know we just
don't want to put anything on this location.
Conmissioner Richards clarified that 220 feet is sufficient between
units. Mr. McDonald continued I can't believe we can take a piece of
property we could not bring up to PR 5 and bring it up to PR 20. In
the year 2000, I am going to cane onto this property, and there is
nothing you can do about it. They are going to put it right next to
my property, which is a PR 3-1/2, when they are looking up at a 2-
story apartment building.
MR. Dom. BARD, 41-613 Aventine Court, Palm Desert, and a
member of the City's Parks and Recreation Cannission, addressing
the hearing as an individual. He stated that the Parks and
Recreation Ccnmission couldn't do anything until the project
issues were resolved. Once the size and configuration of the
park were determined, the park site could be designed.
Commissioner Whitlock stated she was not satisfied with the density.
Mr. Diaz clarified that the Marriott is opposed to the plan.
Chairman Erwood added that developers generally reduce densities
after initial hearings and evaluation. He further clarified that
what needed to be decided was the appropriateness of the zoning at
this location. He added we are talking about a change of zone, we
are talking about going from 17 to 20 units per acre, we are being
influenced by park land which was previously offered to the city.
The commissioners are concerned about trying to right the wring
previously done. You have to consider what the zoning is and what
the concept is can the property.
Commissioner Richards stated he felt that this was an appropriate
location for that. He added that we have an absolute need for low-
cost housing. Relating to the affordable housing issue, Commissioner
Whitlock stated, "This is not low-cost housing; only 10% of these
units are designated low-income housing." She added, that we must
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sometimes look at what actually develops. This appears to be
representative of the type of housing needed by the community, but I
don't think anybody here will live long enough to see it.
Catmissioner Whitlock concluded that she supports the park concept
but was concerned with project density.
Chairman Erwood closed the public testimony.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Whitlock, that
this item be passed on to council without recommendations. The vote
was two in favor, two against. Mr. Diaz stated that the commission
should send the matter up to council with "No action" as opposed to
"No recommendation" Outlining the concerns expressed by the
ccmission.
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Cammissioner Whitlock. The
vote remained two in favor, two against. Mr. Diaz indicated the
staff will prepare a white paper and submit it to council.
C n nissicner Richards suggested that the plans also be revised.
B. Continued Case No. CUP 88-2 - SCMITZ ENTERPRISES, INC.,
,` Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit and development
agreement to construct a 17-unit senior citizens' apartment
project in the R-2, S.O. zone on the south side of Santa Rosa
Way near San Pascual Avenue.
Ms. Sass outlined the salient points of the staff report and pointed
out that there was no objection to the architecture other than the
windows. The rear yard setback requirement is 20 feet but was shown
as only 10. The applicant advised staff that he prefers the plans
submitted which avoids building on the back. Staff finds it could
recommend approval if conditions cited in the staff report are met.
Cammissioier Richards objected to the number of units in this zone,
on this size lot. He advised staff to include lot size in future
reports. Commissioner Downs pointed out that the applicant built two
other senior citizens' projects in the city within the past two
years.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked the applicant
to address the commission.
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MR. HARRY SCHMIITZ addressed the ocnmission. He stated that he
was under the impression that the size of the building on the
property was the responsibility of the planning cannission, and
the architectural commission was to approve design. We have
studied this plan for a long time. There are different ways to
site buildings on this property. The primary objection we have
to the current plan is the requirement to put the building to
the back and the parking to the front. The tenants cannot watch
their cars; older people feel more secure if they have sane
control over their property.
Commissioner Downs stated that the nature of the property itself
created a security issue. As designed, a fire truck could not enter
the rear of the property. I feel it is a nice looking building;
this is the applicants third project. The applicant again stated he
felt this was the best utilization of the site. The rear 10 feet is
not as valuable and he prefers to keep the 30 feet setback in the
front.
Mr. Schmitz felt having more than a 17-foot driveway would
necessitate removing two large palm trees; we were trying to preserve
those.
Ocmmissioner Richards stated he didn't like what was designed either "no
-- the 30-foot setback or 17 units per acre. It must be 24 units to
the acre. Ms. Sass clarified that the project lies in senior
overlay.
Commissioner Richards felt that the project looked like a nice little
hotel that you would build in Inglewood. Commissioner Richards
continued, "we could not do better with that site if we are going to
go to 23 units per acre." If you want the density jump, I have some
very valid concerns about police protection and the parking. Mr.
Schmitz clarified the oannission has approved this type of project
twice before. Commissioner Richards stated the difference lies
between 6 units as opposed to 17 units.
Commissioner Whitlock stated she does not have a problem with the
project. Commissioner Richards suggested that the developer revise
site plans to include 16 units because the current plan does not make
maximum utilization of the site. It is too much on the low-budget
side of the fence. Cannissioner Downs suggested that this item be
continued to give staff time to talk it over. In response to the
chairman's question as to what the applicant thought about continuing
the item, Mr. Schmitz responded that he is trying to minimize cost.
He added that any re-design would result in increased cost which must
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be passed on to tenants in the form of increased rental.
Camtiissioner Richards said the staff never objected on the basis of
architectural design. You are getting a good density bonus here.
You have gone frcm 8 to 17 units. Commissioner Dawns asked that the
topic be re-opened to public hearing. Staff does not have a problem
with waiting until the end of August. Commissioner Richards said he
believes the project could be dome better. Mr. Diaz suggested that
the item be moved to continued until July 5.
Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak in FAVOR of
or OPPOSITION to the proposed. There was no one.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Whitlock,
continuing the case to July 5, 1988, to allow the applicant time to
revise plans incorporating suggested changes. Carried 4-0.
C. Case No. PM 23619 - TRIAD PACIFIC DEVEMPMENr CORP., Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map creating two
parcels out of one at the northeast corner of Cook
Street and Havley Lane.
Ms. Sass outlined the salient points of the staff report and
recommended approval.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if the
applicant wished to address the commission.
Commissioner Richards clarified that one condition of the precise
plan was that both projects be built simultaneously. It was this
conuissioner's concern that the project would be split up. Mr. Diaz
clarified that the development of both parcels must be at the same
time.
Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak in FAVOR of
or OPPOSITION to the proposal. There being no one, the public
hearing was closed.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Richards, seconded by Commissioner Downs,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1292, approving PM 23619,
subject to conditions. Carried 4-0.
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D. Case No. TT 23449 - PFDMESSIVE SAVD4 S & U)AN, Applicant
Request for approval of an 11-lot tentative subdivision
located within Winter Haven Ccndcminiums on the south side
of Havley Lane, 300 feet west of Portola.
Mr. Joy outlined the salient points of the staff report and
recommended approval of this project.
Chairman Erwood opened public testimony and asked the applicant to
address the cccmaissicn.
MR. QHARLEES HAVER spoke briefly in favor of the project..
Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak in FAVOR of
or OPPOSITICN to the proposed. There was no one.
Action: ;
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissicner Whitlock,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1293, approving TT 23449,
subject to conditions. Carried 4-0.
E. Case No. CUP 87-14, CZ 88-5 - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of a master plan of development for
the civic center site bordered by San Pablo Avenue and San
Pascual Channel on the west and east; Magnesia Falls and
Fred Waring Drive on the north and south.
Mr. Joy outlined the salient points of the staff report and
recommended approval. He also mentioned that we could do reduce
noise levels and aid the drainage facility. This also involves the
access way to College of the Desert. This enhances circulation in
the area and slaws dawn traffic on San Pablo. We plan to build a
ball field which could be lit in the future and use temporary lights
in adjacent neighborhoods. We located this as far away from the
residential as possible and 250 feet away from Magnesia Falls. Next
to it would be a 6-foot fence, utilizing chain link or pyracantha,
and a 20-acre park. We tried to keep circulation paths down to a
minimum on the city hall side. I spoke to Bob Reardon who had some
concerns about the ball park.
Commissioner Richards pointed out that originally we hired a
consultant, but none is here. Are we at a complete impasse with the
college. Mr. Diaz stated that we are not at an impasse with the
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college, but the issue of a library is a critical one. If the
ultimate location can be determined, the plan can be modified. The
city can proceed without the cooperation of the college; when the
college is ready, we can revise the plan. C7cmaissioner Richards
asked if its cooperation is not required for approximately 60 acres.
Mr. Diaz stated that the space requirement needs analysis.
Chairman Erwood opened the public testimony and asked if anyone
present wished to speak in FAVOR of the proposed.
MR. DENNIS G{DECIE, member of the Board of the YMCA, spoke in
favor of the project. At the request of the city, we developed
a joint services agreement which was sent to City Manager Bruce
Altman. The YMCA still awns 2 acres. We are currently working
with Carlos Ortega but need to make sure this is taken care of.
The actual space requirements of the YMCA and the Coachella
Valley are being worked out. The Y would be responsible for the
youth program; the Parks and Recreation Commission would have
responsibility for the adult programs.
MR. JERRY HUNDT, General Director - YMCA of the Desert, spoke in
favor of the proposal. For there to be so many plans in
existence, this one really functions well. With all of the
,.., parks in one area, it will be easier to control.
Commissioner Richards pointed out that he got the 2 acres and acts as
if he is going to drive a hard bargain on this. It will be used for
day care and recreational facilities. He added that the more
concrete the request, the better. The city has drawn the map, and
the project is already funded. Commissioner Richards inquired
whether Mr. Godecke's project is currently funded. They are going to
build Phase I, about 3,000 feet,which will take the Y to
approximately 30,000 square feet.
MR. DANUM BARNES spoke in favor of the project, pointing out
that the Parks and Recreation Commission has been stymied by
this plan, which is a good substitute for the original plan. We
have set up a committee of your people and those in the
community, and we feel that we can move on this as it is right
now. It will give the city an excellent recreation area.
Chairman Erwood asked if anyone present wished to speak OPPOSITION to
the proposed.
DR. DAVID GEORGE, of College of the Desert, spoke in opposition
to the proposal. He stated in part, "I have been there since
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January 1986; our trustees met with your council at that time.
Both of us laid out plans. We have our issues on their way.
There was a very full description of our position in the Haskins
& Sells study of the library. Mr. Diaz added that his only
concern here is that the college has not seen the latest plan
but, on the basis of fair play, there are substantial
differences on which the college should have been consulted.
Cannissioner Richards further stated, we have tried to get you
involved. We did get the involvement; now you say you don't
have the opportunity, but you said a month ago trustees met with
the council.
Mr. Diaz indicated the location of the library and added, "if things
are worked out between the three jurisdictions, the plan can be
revised. " The study can be presented to mil in July; the
location can be worked out with the college and Riverside County, and
we can proceed. One of the key issues was re-location of the ball
diamond. We tried to take everybody' s sensitivity into
consideration.
Phil Joy agreed to present the plan to the college.
MR. VIC M VILLENEUVE spoke in opposition to the proposal: "My
members and I have been concerned about the development here. r.�r
"We were aware of the Johnson property. That proposal will go
on to include one-story units which was one of the reasons they
decided to purchase there. I think perhaps the inclusion of
ball diamonds may not constitute the most efficient use of the
site. I am not opposed to the new plan. In this area, you
are going to be to increasing the flow of traffic on San
Pascual. I think relocation of the entrance to the park would
be a good idea. We should take a look at some type of traffic
control. I think we do need the recreational facility, but the
ability to enjoy the view is no less important than the
recreational facility. I would also like to convent on what's
going to go into the corporate yard, not have dumpsters located
there. I don't know whether there is enough space to locate all
those ball fields with the lighting facing west. Lighting and
noise in the area are really incompatible. The lighting will
also provide security for the canvercial area. You can provide
drainage by dropping the fields down four feet or so. I don't
know whether the timing is right -- this being June and half the
people on any street are not in town. I hope this was not
deliberate. The city needs the recreational facility but should
be sensitive to the needs of the con unity.
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Commissioner Richards stated, "Before lighting gets put there, there
must be a change in City Council." As it gets installed, there will
be a lot of opposition to it. We want to give them a couple million
dollars worth of ball fields, but they are saying, "We don't want
them."
MR. SANDY BALM inquired as to what the space is just above the
tennis courts and added there should be additional tennis
courts. Staff clarified that one of the buildings relates to
the YMCA and the other will be used by the Recreation and Park
District. There should be more parking surrounding the
community center. You will have a lot of people going into the
com unity center, and I would like to see it more centrally
located in relation to the parking. The idea of clustering use
would cut dawn on the complaints. &pansion should be laid out
so you can see where they are going.
Mr. Diaz added, "Everybody wants a park but not in proximity to where
he lives." Ideally, we ought to build a park where nobody lives.
There should also be a provision wherein the park monitored for a
period of six months. In no event should the athletic field be lit
after 10:00 p.m. I can appreciate the experience he has had with the
golf course lights.
�... MR. WILLIAM HQMMEZDIlNGER spoke in opposition to the proposal and
expressed concern about Commissioner Richards' comments that he
did not want to be in on the planning stage. He added, "I don't
like to see the plan moved aside while major ideas are being
dumped between Dr. George and the city." Mr. Hemmerdinger
added, "I object wholeheartedly to any kind of lighting in this
facility because of the quality of life in the comunity." I
would like to see some kind of height restriction with regard to
architectural design of the library.
Commissioner Richards pointed out that the only thing that has been
built higher than 33 feet was the Marriott. Any construction has to
be 1,000 feet frcm the nearest building. This is a $50,000,000
building going next to you. Mr. Hemmerdinger pointed out that we
have an abundance of ball fields. Mr. Diaz added that the parents
want their kids to play at night on lit fields. Commissioner
Richards clarified that the community's major objection to the ball
fields is that they do not belong to them; they will be the property
of the school district.
Mr. Neumeyer stated that, without lights, the facility is useless.
We have four ball fields without lights, which are not used for that
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reason. Soccer cannot be played in the winter because it is dark at
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4:30. If the fields cannot have lights in this facility, we don't
need it. It's like building a library without books.
Mr. Diaz advised staff to change its recommendation to include the
condition that if the fields cannot be lit, they should not be
constructed. When we start to develop the parks, the fields will not
be built. Canaissioner Richards said, "We are looking at a group
which keeps 1100 or 1200 kids off the street."We don't want to spend
$50,000 a year to go out and buy another parcel. Mr. Diaz added that
we now have the money and the land, so we want to see something very
concrete. The nearest ball field should be from 250 to 300 feet from
the nearest house.
MS. GBORGIA PALIAGRAND spoke in opposition to the proposal: "We
not only get the light from the golf course, but from the ball
field." We also get the sand from the ball field When you
cane around Rutledge, the light does create a safety problem.
On the other side of the channel, there is the garbage and
another chain link fence. Mr. Diaz clarified that a park will
be placed on the city's side of the land.
Mr. Duke Catilano added he realizes there have been some problems in
discussions with the city about getting the money together.Chairman
Erwood added that the swim people would certainly like the money
moved to the program. If need be, we could have the lights. The
next step in the process is the City Council. The public hearing was
declared closed.
Commnissioner Downs said he appreciates the tents of the public,
and he is sorry Dr. George got upset.
Chairman Erwood closed the public testimony.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Richards,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution 1294, approving CUP 87-14 and
CZ 88-5, subject to conditions. Carried 4-0.
VIII. MISC LT ANBOUS ITEMS
A. Case No. PP 88-3 - Phil Harris Fashion Promenade.
Discussion of new building elevations.
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Mr. Diaz advised that the architect went back and revised the
elevations which were previously more of a modernistic approach.
This is just an information item.
Action:
Moved by Commissioner Downs, seconded by Commissioner Whitlock,
continuing this case to July 5, 1988. Carried 4-0.
B. Discussion of hillside home.
An oral report will be given.
Action:
Mr. Diaz recannended that this case be continued until next month.
IX. ORAL CCK41MICATICN
MR. LARRY (FMUEM, representing the El Paseo Business Association stated
that on April 19, he stopped in to give his support. The developer told
you he had a problem with item B of Resolution 1285. Our association was
asked to support the bill, which we did. We felt we would be sending a
message to shoppers that this is the right place to be. The field review
r.w was sent back for further review and study. It was later determined that
it should be revised until it comes back in Spanish. There was nothing
inherently wrong with it, but there was nothing inherently right with it
either. It is my position and the position of the association at our
board meeting that it does not conform to the strong Spanish architecture
of the adjacent building. We have said before that architecture is
important, but I am asking you tonight to share their reservation on why a
Spanish building is being proposed. Commissioner Richards and Mr. Diaz
pointed out that the other building is architecturally appealing and that
the applicant has since withdrew his opposition. The problem we have is
that everybody thinks the same thing. The merchants changed the first
plan so much that it was rejected. We are left with little alternative
but to go to the next suggestion. We were left on the side streets on
projects in which we have an interest. Mr. Diaz clarified that there was
an opening on the architectural commission. A letter is being prepared
inviting the E1 Paseo merchants to provide applicants for that position to
the City's Architectural Commission. That opening occurred two or three
weeks ago. If the commission concurs, the design of the building must be
approved by the architectural commission. The fact that you sit on the
architectural commission does not necessarily mean that your position will
be taken all of the time. The merchants' association cannot agree. It
was clarified that the plans must be brought to the council for approval.
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X. CxMMENI'S
None.
XI.
Moved by Chairman Erwood, Seconded by Cannissioner Dawns, adjourning the
meeting. Carried 4-0. The meeting was adjourned at 10:55 p.
RAMON A. DIAZ, Secto
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