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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
TUESDAY - MARCH 21, 1995
7 :00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER
73-510 FRED WARING DRIVE
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I . CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Jonathan called the meeting to order at 7 : 00 p.m.
II . PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Campbell led in the pledge of allegiance.
III . ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sabby Jonathan, Chairperson
Paul Beaty
Sonia Campbell
George Fernandez
Members Absent: Carol Whitlock
Staff Present: Ray Diaz Steve Smith
Marshall Rudolph Tonya Monroe
Dick Folkers
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
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Consideration of the March 7 , 1995 meeting minutes .
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Action:
Moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner
Fernandez, approving the March 7 , 1995 meeting minutes as
submitted. Carried 4-0 .
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION:
Mr. Diaz summarized pertinent March 9, 1995 city council
actions .
VI . CONSENT CALENDAR
None.
VII . PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Continued Case Nos . GPA 94-2, C/Z 94-3, PP 94-7 - F & M
ASSOCIATES, Applicant
Request for approval of a General Plan
Amendment and Change of Zone from
Planned Residential and Resort
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2 ) , a Precise Plan of Design, and a �
Negative Declaration of Environmental
Impact as it relates thereto, to permit
construction of an 81,747 square foot
retail shopping center on 8 . 7 acres at
the northeast corner of Deep Canyon Road
and Highway 111 .
Commissioner Fernandez informed commission that he would be
abstaining from the discussion because he was a store manager
and it would be the best for Von' s if he abstained.
Chairperson Jonathan stated that the record would show that
Commissioner Fernandez would be abstaining from all
discussion and any votes on this matter.
Mr. Smith noted that this matter was continued from two weeks
ago. At that time the applicant and Hidden Palms homeowners
to the north wished to have the opportunity to meet to see if
they could work out concerns . He understood that there had
been at least two meetings . He said the parties could speak
for themselves . He also indicated that a fax was received
from Mr. Barlow dated March 20 that was distributed to
commission. As well, in the packet the commission received
a letter from Mr. and Mrs . Frisco. Tonight the commission
received an update from the public works department amending �
their condition #13 . Mr. Smith reported that the revised
elevations and landscaping were before the architectural
review commission last Tuesday--the landscape plan was deemed
acceptable. The elevations needed further explanation from
the architect, who was not able to be present at that
meeting. Relative to the tower elements, the applicant
looked at several alternatives as shown on the display
boards . He felt that Mr. Mahoney would provide details . The
landscape plan presented to the architectural review
commission, specifically regarding the perimeter treatment on
Deep Canyon and Hiqhway 111, was acceptable and was granted
preliminary approval .
Mr. Diaz stated it was his understanding that there was an
agreement reached between the residents and the developer.
He recommended that the commission proceed with the public
hearing and ask the developer and the representative of the
adjoining residences to speak as to whether an agreement on
these conditions could be reached. If both parties agreed
with the conditions, the city attorney advised that there
would not be a problem with implementing these provided there
was agreement by both parties .
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rr.. Chairperson Jonathan asked if staff had reviewed the proposed
Barlow letter conditions and determined that none were in
conflict with the other conditions and restrictions
previously presented. Mr. Smith expressed concern that
condition #4 in the letter provided for lighting of the palm
trees, while condition #14 appeared to be at odds with
condition #4 with the lighting to be directed at the ground
only. He had assumed that in condition #4 the lights would
be upward shining. He felt some clarification was needed.
Mr. Diaz said that on condition #4 it could be indicated that
in the event that there was a conflict with item #14 on this
letter, that if approved by the city council, item #4 would
be the controlling condition. He explained that with regard
to palm tree lighting, there was still some controversy. The
bottom line was the enforcement of that condition was with
city council . Chairperson Jonathan recommended hearing from
the applicant because if there were lights installed on the
ground that had to f lash on the ground, it didn' t make sense.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if any other items in the March 20
letter were in conflict with the proposed conditions of
approval : setbacks, height limitations and delivery times .
Mr. Diaz said that if any of the conditions were in conflict
with existing ordinances and were more restrictive and the
applicant agreed to them, they could be implemented.
� Chairperson Jonathan noted that the hours of operation were
discretionary; Mr. Diaz concurred. Chairperson Jonathan
asked staff to review the terms of conditions to insure that
they wouldn' t run into problems in the future.
Chairperson Jonathan opened the public testimony and asked
the applicant to address the commission.
MR. RICHARD FRANDSEN, an Indian Wells resident, stated
that after two lengthy conference calls and a meeting
Saturday, the conditions before the commission were
acceptable to them. He felt that 46 lights for palm
trees was excessive when everyone was concerned about
too much light around the area. He suggested that
something less than 46 be given some consideration.
Also, he asked for clarification as to what a "fast
food" restaurant was--the ordinance did not allow drive-
thru restaurants and they knew that and accepted that.
If a 4,000 square foot restaurant wanted to locate into
the center, they would like to have the right to put
them on the first two pads . Otherwise, all the
conditions were acceptable.
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MR. MIKE MAHONEY, a Laguna Beach resident, said that �rri
regarding the issue of the lighting, they were talking
about two different things . One was decorative lighting
which the neighbors would like to accent/light the palms
trees and the other lighting issue was the parking lot
lights . He noted that there were two drawings on
display that they had worked on with the neighbors and
which explained what they were talking about. He said
that one concern of the neighbors from the outset was
their right to privacy, noise pollution, vermin
pollution and air pollution. He felt that having the
berm at 13 feet and saving the palm trees as a date
grove as a concept throughout the whole center would be
adequate. After numerous discussions, Mr. Barlow had a
picture of a receiving envelope that he had seen in San
Francisco that would completely encapsulate the
receiving function that would keep any noise pollution
that happened to escape ( i .e. the incidental door slam,
people speaking, knocking on the doors to get in, etc. )
that type of nuisance would be completely eliminated
because all of the functions would happen within the
receiving canopy. He described it as a large enclosure
where trucks would drive through then back up to the
door. He f elt that with the ma j or trucks there wouldn't ;
be a problem except if they left the radio or engine on �
too long. Mr. Barlow' s and the neighbors concerns were
with the smaller vendors and to have their activities
and noise controlled more. The enclosure became an
ideal method for removing that problem. They were
proposing an enclosure across the back of the store 50
feet wide and they would have a slab in the middle where
they would take in the majority of their small vendors
that did not deliver across the front sidewalk. A lot
of the small vendors came into the front door. Produce
would use the rear door. That congestion would be
eliminated and the residents would not be annoyed by the
blasting of radios . The other concern was the probable
location of equipment. They did a roof plan with a
grocery store like the proposal showing where the air
intakes, skylights, and all equipment might be located.
Basically only an exhaust fan and air conditioning
equipment were located on the roof. This was to insure
that the residents would not be able to see or hear
noise from the equipment. The mound and landscaping
treatment isolated the building and the mound came
around the end of the building where there were no
doors . In the front there was a 27 foot light pole and
if the lights were all held in front of the building
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�.. line they would be completely screened by the
development behind them and would not be a nuisance.
They were talking about two kinds of lighting: the
accent lighting for the palm trees, and they would
develop palms along Deep Canyon like Hidden Palms to get
a colonnade of date palms all the way down with the
sidewalks, that was condition #4 . Condition #14 was
that the residents did not want to see the low pressure
sodium parking lot lights . He understood that the city
had an ordinance that they would have to comply with and
in cooperation with the homeowners he felt they could
arrive at an acceptable parking lot lighting plan. He
said that with regard to the main tower element, it was
46 feet high and there was a 10 foot differential
between the grade and Highway 111 . He clarified that
the tower element at Embassy Suites was 58 feet and
theirs would be 46 feet and approximately 10 feet below
street grade.
Mr. Diaz felt that the commission might wish to have the
applicant address restriction #6 because it contained blank
spaces .
Mr. Mahoney said that the way they would address this
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noise at the property line. They were working on them.
Mr. Diaz suggested that the condition be worded similar to
the lighting condition that the end result, after everything
was constructed, was that the sound levels at the property
line of Hidden Palms would be lower than they were before the
project was built.
Mr. Mahoney felt that Mr. Diaz ' s wording was correct and
they would probably better the situation with the berm
by itself, and with the berm, store and enclosure, they
would better the situation more.
Chairperson Jonathan clarified that restriction #4 where each
palm was to be illuminated, they could say that each palm m�
be illuminated. Mr. Mahoney said that he wasn't sure the
city would accept one light per palm with the lighting
ordinance. They would provide as many as the city would
accept. Chairperson Jonathan said that restriction #6 would
be re-worded to say that whatever sound level exists would
not be exceeded after construction. For restriction #14 the
words could be added at the end to say "with exception of the
palm trees referenced in restriction #4" . As far as
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clarification for fast food, the condition could say rt
"pursuant to current ordinance" . Mr. Mahoney confirmed that
would be acceptable.
Commissioner Beaty noted that in the event that a restaurant
came in some day, restriction #11 would not allow liquor
sales . He suggested inserting the word "package" . Mr.
Mahoney concurred and noted that the intent was not to have
a liquor store.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR
or OPPOSITION to the proposal .
MR. HAROLD HOPP, a resident of Palm Desert, stated that
they had a few conference calls and meetings between Mr.
Mahoney and Mr. Barlow. They had a meeting on Saturday
where a number of their committee members and homeowners
were able to meet with the developers and listen to what
they proposed. Although there was not a 100� consensus,
he felt they were close and these developers were much
more cooperative and interested in working something out
than they had seen before and the conditions, if
adopted, would go a long way toward making the project
one that they could live with and some members of the �
association would be happy to have. There were some �
concerns that the developers were not able to address .
Those mainly involved a couple of areas such as what
would happen to the intersection of Deep Canyon and
Highway 111 with the frontage road. He understood from
Mr. Gaugush that the city would soon be requesting bids
for design to close off the frontage road so that it
could not be accessed from Deep Canyon. He felt that
would be helpful . The proposed development, when the
road was widened, would put in a median so that left
turns would be prohibited from northbound Deep Canyon
onto the frontage road. Also, the undergrounding was
almost complete and the poles in that section of Deep
Canyon would be taken down within the next couple of
months . All of those things went a long way in
alleviating his concerns about the effects of this
development. Another concern was the amount of traffic
on Deep Canyon. He heard an estimate of 5700 trips per
day that would be generated by this development. He was
not sure that meant on Deep Canyon or overall, but a
number of the homeowners were concerned about that.
Right now it was not always easy to make a left turn out
of Hidden Palms to southbound Deep Canyon and additional
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`.. there was not a consensus among the homeowners about
whether this was a good project and whether the change
of zone and general plan amendment should be approved.
There were some that felt strongly that this was not
something that should be approved--that the original
zoning and general plan should remain the way it is .
His personal opinion was that with these conditions and
with the street improvements, it was a good project and
the general plan and zone change should be approved. He
asked if the planning commission approved a general plan
amendment and zone change, what would happen if this
project did not go forward--what was the zoning in that
event.
Chairperson Jonathan replied that once a zone change was
done, that was what the property was zoned for, subject to
any subsequent changes . Mr. Diaz noted that the zoning would
stay with the property, but if this project did not proceed
there would be another hearing on the design of the next
project. The conditions were on the precise plan, which was
what would be before the commission for a future project.
Commissioner Beaty asked if a zone change could be
conditioned or attached for this particular project and if
rr.► this project didn' t proceed, the zone change would revert
back. Mr. Diaz replied no.
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MR. WAYNE BARLOW, a resident of Los Angeles, stated that
the topic being discussed now was in general the most
important to the Hidden Palms homeowners . He said it
was important for them to know that the conditions that
create an envelope to maximize the protection for Hidden
Palms should be imposed on any future proposed
development of the parcel or the zone change. They were
a group of small homeowners that weren't equipped to
fight this battle over and over again, even though they
have for 12-14 years . They have had several conference
calls with Mr. Frandsen and Mr. Mahoney and several
meetings with the exchange of a great deal of
correspondence. The final culmination was what was
presented to the commission called restrictions . He
noted that the developer had been accommodating in
addressing the issues that have been raised by Hidden
Palms residents and other interested surrounding
property owners . He wanted to make it clear that he did
not represent anyone, per se. He was an attorney but he
was not present as an attorney and was not present as a
representative for anyone, nor had he been a
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representative in the discussions with Mr. Frandsen and �1
Mr. Mahoney other than to be a collector of the concerns
that various people had expressed. Those issues had
been addressed. The issues he raised with Mr. Frandsen
and Mr. Mahoney had been addressed very positively. The
reason for making the clear distinction that he was not
a representative was that there were homeowners present
who felt that even with the conditions this should not
proceed. The issue of whether this should be approved
by planning commission or council was open at this point
and the tenants might or might not want the project that
way. He did know that what they agreed to do did
address the issues raised by some people and he would
want to preserve that as a starting point if their
development did not go forward. He did not have
anything further except to say that the developers were
very professional, accommodating and business like. He
felt they made great progress and the commission had the
evidence of that in the restrictions . This being an
ever-changing activity, he did not want to lose the
momentum they had gained.
Chairperson Jonathan said he was not sure that Mr. Barlow' s
desire could be accommodated in this regard. If this
application was to move forward into construction, whether it ,,,�
was the applicant that put it up or a subsequent purchaser,
they would be bound by the restrictions placed on the project
tonight then approved by the city council . However, if a
different project were to ultimately go onto that site, they
did not have a mechanism for placing these restrictions, such
as hours of operation, rows of palrri trees, berming, etc. , on
any subsequent change in the development of the site. It
could be something completely different and it would be
impractical to try and anticipate, as well as impossible to
place restrictions on a future development; however, the
mechanism that allowed neighbors and other interested parties
to participate in the process of what went up would continue
to exist, and some of them might still be here. Mr. Rudolph
concurred with Chairperson Jonathan' s explanation.
Mr. Barlow said that the fact remained, and the only
person in front of him that would remember this was Mr.
Diaz, but when someone first proposed doing something
here approximately 14 or 15 years ago, they requested
the preservation of the palm trees, and those conditions
of development have been communicated, whether by
ordinance or development conditions or just oral
history, but they had come down from the planning
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ti..► commission and anyone coming in who said they wanted to
develop, he knew they had been told that they would have
to address certain issues .
Mr. Diaz said that had the plan approved 14 years ago been
approved, they would not be there today or have to worry
about access problems and inter-access problems between the
developments and Embassy Suites, but that was then. One
reason they could continue right now to recommend and
condition the remainder of the date palms was that the nexus
that existed 14 years ago to require that exists today. The
nexus was a finding that there was a connection between a
problem being caused by a project and the condition to
eliminate that problem. That continued to exist today. He
could not guarantee that it would continue to exist three-
five years from now. It was not only that condition, but all
the others also. Obviously when anyone came in to apply for
a change of zone or a project on this property, staff showed
them the records, but there was no way that staff could
continue to guarantee that the conditions of approval placed
on this project today could be placed on the project in the
future, if the nexus requirement was still there.
Chairperson Jonathan said that they would not necessarily
r... want to bind future homeowners to something they felt was
appropriate tonight; if another proposed development came to
, the city in ten years, those homeowners might not want date
palm trees--the commission has had neighbors ask that trees
be taken down because of rat infestation and so forth. What
was right today might not be what homeowners want tomorrow.
Mr. Barlow understood what the commission could and
could not do, but knew the practical effect of Mr.
Diaz ' s longevity had been great continuity for anyone
going to the city seeking to deal with this . To the
extent that could be maintained, that was a benefit for
all concerned and for them particularly so they didn't
have to constantly re-invent the wheel . They started at
a point with intermediate developers that had come along
that had assumed conditions to address concerns . If
that continued to exist, they would expect it to be
continued to be communicated to any developer.
Regarding the lighting, any perceived inconsistency
between restriction numbers 4 and 14--the one talking
about down light was only applied to the parking lot 27
foot pole lights that shined down.
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MS. GERRY LONGORIE, a resident of Indian Wells, stated �
that she owned homes at 602 Monaco Circle and 309 Venice
Court. She stated that she had attended most of the
meetings with the committee with regards to this
development and her main objection (she would like to
see this defeated and the zoning to remain as it is) was
traffic that this project would put onto Deep Canyon.
She felt that as close to the high school as they were,
with the new catholic school and 211 homeowners driving
422 cars, it was difficult enough to turn out of the
main gate at Hidden Palms and it was almost impossible
for them to turn out the back gate onto Fred Waring to
go left because of the Fred Waring traffic. She said
they would be totally locked in and with the new Palm
Gate development across from them with their entrances
offset, she did not see any future for any stop signal
and it would be a terrible disservice to members of
their community. She noted there was a street light in
front of Embassy Suites to put the eastbound traffic
exiting onto Highway 111 there rather than running them
down Deep Canyon. She felt there was very little
traffic going into Embassy Suites .
Chairperson Jonathan noted that traffic was always a concern �
as the community grows and he felt that staff had dealt very �
well with it because they were also concerned about it. He
said this was a large vacant parcel on a major corner--he
asked what she saw as potential development for that kind of
a parcel that would create less traffic.
Ms . Longorie said she was not opposed to the development
of a market, but wanted to find a better way to deal
with the traffic. Up until tonight, while she had asked
for traffic figures from the developers which they had
not given her, tonight was the first time she heard 5700
trips per day. She felt that was a lot of traffic on
that street.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if a traffic study had been done;
Mr. Folkers replied that he did not know the status, but for
a development of this type with the existing lanes plus the
proposed improvements at Deep Canyon and Highway 111, this
type of development would not impact traffic in their
estimation. Mr. Diaz added that the differences in timing on
peak traffic for people going to and from work from the hours
of 7 : 30 a.m. to 9 : 30 a.m. and the hours of operation of the
center were different, so there wouldn' t be the peak hour
traffic conflicts . He noted that as far as having all the
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.r traf f ic going east coming out of the Embassy Suites driveway,
he couldn't argue that it would be a tremendous solution and
that was the plan before them in 1980-81, but it didn' t get
adopted and at this time it could not be implemented. They
were always looking at eliminating as many curb cuts as
possible. Anyone who wanted to travel to the east would have
to make a left turn and one of the things the developer did
was eliminate the access furthest north on the project--there
was once a driveway there and to accommodate the concerns of
the residents on Deep Canyon that was eliminated. There was
a left turn that could have been made further from the
intersection of Highway 111 and Deep Canyon, which would have
made it easier but to accommodate the concerns of the
residents in that area, it was moved further south. There
was always a trade-off, but the developers and members of
city staff wanted to take care of the folks here first and
try to accommodate the ones wanting to come in as best they
could; he felt the proposed plan did that.
MS. JOYCE FRISCO, a Palm Desert resident, expressed
concern about traffic. She indicated that she had sent
in a letter. The ingress and egress at Hidden Palms and
what would be created at Alessandro and Deep Canyon a
half block from Highway 111, which would end up being
r.. one of the main entrances was a major concern. She
couldn't imagine how people would be able to get in and
out there. She heard Mr. Folkers say that the impact of
this market and eventually other stores or restaurant
sites hadn't really been studied, and that was a
concern. She asked if there had been a study and was
concerned when she heard 5700 trips per day. She asked
what was considered the number of trips that Deep Canyon
would have to handle with the original zone if main
access was on Deep Canyon for a project in there.
Mr. Diaz stated that the access from Deep Canyon at
Alessandro would be for those individuals coming from the
west. Those coming in from the west would be coming in on
Highway 111 and if it was local traffic they might come from
Alessandro and cross the street there. To exit and go back
out, local individuals might go back out Alessandro or they
would come out and make a right turn on Highway 111 and go
out that area. Folks coming on Highway 111 to the center
making a protected left on Deep Canyon and going in on
Alessandro all go out the Highway 111 entrance, which was
where staff would like them to go and a majority of the
shoppers would come from into that center from the west.
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Ms . Frisco asked if there had been a traffic study done �
for the impact of this zone and the proposal .
Chairperson Jonathan noted that the negative declaration was
saying that there was no problem that could not be mitigated.
The traffic that would result from the center was not
expected to cause a problem that has not been properly
mitigated. Traffic would continue to increase, but the issue
was if this center created a problem that was inappropriate
or hadn't been adequately dealt with, and the conclusion of
staff was no, there were certain restrictions about right-
turns and number of ingress/egress points, deceleration
lanes, etc. Steps had been taken to mitigate any potential
traffic problems and the conclusion was that no remaining
traffic exist beyond what is reasonable.
Ms . Frisco asked if this was the same type of decision
making process that was used when Portola and Alessandro
was developed ( i .e. the restaurants) .
Chairperson Jonathan noted that each project received a
separate review.
Ms . Frisco felt that what they were creating was the �
same thing but with a lot more traffic because most �
everyone avoided taking Alessandro and having to make a
left turn out onto Portola. She knew that because as a
business owner they were going to locate in a building
there, but after studying that street and the potential
for accidents, they chose not to consider that piece of
property. She personally took that very seriously when
it came to real driving and felt they were creating a
real problem with that street.
Chairperson Jonathan asked what the exact problem was . Ms .
Frisco replied the amount of traffic--if they were talking
about 5700 trips per day in a 10 hour day, that was 570 trips
per hour and traffic was already backed up at that signal .
She was being told that a study was not necessary beyond what
has already been done and disagreed with that.
Mr. Folkers clarified that right now there were two lanes
going through there; when it was done, there would be
possibly five or six lanes going through on Deep Canyon by
Alessandro. The capacity of the street would be greatly
increased and it would not be the same situation.
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� Ms . Frisco asked if people would still be allowed to
make a left turn out of the shopping center on Deep
Canyon to go to Highway 111 .
Mr. Folkers replied yes, that it would be preferable for the
folks at Hidden Palms, because if traveling westbound on
Highway 111, making a left turn onto Deep Canyon and going
into the shopping center and then doing the same in reverse
when leaving, it would reduce the amount of traffic further
north on Deep Canyon.
Ms . Frisco asked if he anticipated a problem for people
making a left turn out of the center.
Mr. Folkers replied no.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that traf f ic was an issue that had
been dealt with quite often and he had been on the commission
for many years . He had now had residents in the community
come to them and object to new development because of the new
traffic it caused, but he could remember when the project
they were now living in didn't exist. They were also causing
the addition to the traffic. At some point Hidden Palms
didn't exist and they added to the traffic on Deep Canyon.
� Once someone was in the city, they couldn't lock the doors
and say no more. His point was that they were not going to
, lock the door on that site--something would go in and it
would create more demands on traffic. They would not change
that. There was also the whole vacant north sphere and they
would have more people in the city because it was a desirable
area and as business people and consumers they appreciated
it. They liked the convenience of having a choice of grocery
stores . The real issue was to identify the specific traffic
problems that could occur before they occur and to deal with
them. He felt the city had good staff that did that, but
they needed the help of citizens in terms of identifying
specific problems that could be avoided.
Chairperson Jonathan closed the public hearing and asked for
commission comments .
Commissioner Campbell asked about egress from the center onto
Highway 111 in an easterly direction. Mr. Smith indicated
that the access on Highway 111 was a right-turn in and right-
turn out only. It would require an exit from the first
access point north of the highway onto Deep Canyon and making
a left turn to get into the left turn pocket to proceed east
on Highway 111 . H� said that if exiting onto Highway 111, a
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U-turn might be possible at Deep Canyon; however, the W
preferred route would be through the Alessandro intersection
left and then left at Highway 111 . He also noted that he
looked at the restrictions and the only other conflict he
noted was in #12 regarding deliveries. Condition #10 allowed
deliveries to begin at 6 : 00 a.m. , the new condition would
restrict deliveries to begin at 8 : 00 a.m. He noted that the
change would be made to the community development
department' s condition.
Commissioner Beaty asked Mr. Folkers if in the event the
traffic concern materialized, if a condition could be
attached that there would be a six month review to determine
if a stop sign or light was necessary at Alessandro to be
studied in the future. Mr. Folkers felt a condition was not
necessary because all the developments were monitored and if
there was a need to install signs or whatever mitigations
needed to be taken, it would be done.
Chairperson Jonathan encouraged anyone at any time to contact
the city if they had a traffic problem, and if they didn' t
have success with the staff, they could address the planning
commission under oral communications and/or the city council .
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Commissioner Beaty asked if Commissioner Fernandez could �
share his experience as a grocery manager; Commissioner
Fernandez explained that since he was a manager he was
abstaining and could not participate in the discussion.
Commissioner Beaty commended the residents, the committee and
the developer on the cooperation that had taken place. He
was impressed with the conditions initially and they had
gotten even more restrictive. Currently this was an
unattractive site that had been empty for a long time. He
also liked the proposed maintenance of the date palms .
Regarding Mr. Barlow' s comments on attaching future
requirements, they couldn't do that but he had opened his
eyes into what was feasible and some of the conditions and
requirements might carry on to this piece of property if this
development did not happen, but it might impact his
expectations of future developers and it would be a benefit
to the whole city.
Commissioner Campbell felt that the berm behind the building
and the coverage for the delivery trucks would reduce the
noise pollution to a minimal level . Also, she asked if the
developer would be able to place larger trees in the parking
lot so that it would look like the buildings were there for �
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+�. a longer period of time instead of how the Desert Crossing
project looked now and if that would be feasible. Mr.
Frandsen noted that it was a matter of money and at some
point they would run out. Commissioner Campbell said that
other than that, she saw no problem with the project or the
traffic.
Chairperson Jonathan also commended the homeowners for
participating in the development process with an open mind
and the developer for listening to their neighbors and he
recognized that every condition that was added on meant more
money being spent, but they had not let that stop them. He
would like to see more of that type of cooperation in Palm
Desert.
Mr. Diaz noted from a staff standpoint that anytime they
could have the people most directly impacted and the
developer work out their differences without city assistance
it was good. There were other things that needed to be
worked out, but there was no doubt that they would be.
Commissioner Beaty stated that he would move for approval
subject to the amendments . Mr. Diaz stated that for
clarification, if it was determined later on that there were
rr.. any conflicts between the restrictions in the letter and
staff conditions, the restrictions would prevail .
Action:
1 . Moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff .
Carried 3-0-1 (Commissioner Fernandez abstained) .
Moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1685,
recommending approval of GPA 94-2 to city council . Carried
3-0-1 (Commissioner Fernandez abstained) .
2 . Moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff .
Carried 3-0-1 (Commissioner Fernandez abstained) .
Moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1686,
recommending approval of C/Z 94-3 to city council . Carried
3-0-1 (Commissioner Fernandez abstained) .
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3 . Moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner �i
Beaty, approving the findings as presented by staff. Carried
3-0-1 (Commissioner Fernandez abstained) .
Moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Beaty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1687,
recommending approval of PP 94-7 to city council, subject to
conditions as amended. Carried 3-0-1 (Commissioner Fernandez
abstained) .
VIII. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
X. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE UPDATE
Mr. Diaz noted that the EDAC had a meeting on March 16, 1995
to consider the proposed Dorothy Hamill "skatatorium" and the �
EDAC granted conceptual approval, but if any city or
redevelopment assistance was necessary, they wanted to look
at the business points of the deal . In terms of the product
itself and what it could do for the city, they felt it was
very positive. Mr. Diaz noted that staff was processing the
U. S. Filter change of zone and that matter would be before
the commission in April .
XI. COMMENTS
Commissioner Beaty asked if anyone attended the Civic Center
Steering Committee meeting on March 17 . Mr. Diaz reported
that the aquatic center for the YMCA was there and the
steering committee through consensus indicated they would
recommend in favor of moving forward and doing a study for
the aquatic center that would include potential demand,
revenue, and how it would be paid for. He noted that the
staff report indicated that a maximum of $30, 000 would be
needed for the study and the study would be done by someone
who had nothing to gain by either recommending the pool be
built or not built. They would get paid whether the city
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�r.. liked the recommendation or not and everyone made it clear at
the meeting that no one wanted a big pool that no one used.
XII . ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Fernandez, seconded by Commissioner
Beaty, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Car ied 4-0 .
The meeting was adjourned at 8 : 15 p.m.
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ATTEST:
SABBY JONA AN, hairperson
Palm Deser Planning Commission
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