HomeMy WebLinkAbout0505 MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
TUESDAY - MAY 5, 1998
r, 7:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER
73-510 FRED WARING DRIVE
* �. � .� � �. � .� .� * � * * * ,� � .� � .� * .� � �. .� �. � * * * * * � � * .� * � � � * .� � �
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Campbell called the meeting to order at 7:01 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -
Commissioner Beaty led in the pledge of allegiance.
Itt. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sonia Campbell, Chairperson
Paul Beaty
George Fernandez
Cindy Finerty
„�, Members Absent: Sabby Jonathan
Staff Present: Phil Drell Martin Alvarez
Bob Hargreaves Mark Greenwood
Steve Smith Tonya Monroe
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Request for consideration of the April 21 , 1998 meeting minutes.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Beaty,
approving the April 21, 1998 minutes. Carried 4-0.
V• SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION •
Mr. Drell summarized pertinent April 23 and 29, 1998 City Council items.
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
r..
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
..r
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 97-37 - CENTURY CROWELL COMMUNITIES, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to allow lot line
adjustments between lots 21 through 25 and lots 27 through 32
of Tract No. 24254 located on Cabana Court within the Sonata
development. � -� ..
B. Case No. PMW 97-38 - CENTURY CROWELL COMMUNITIES, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to allow lot line
adjustments between lots 1 through 4 of Tract No. 24254
located on Terraza Drive within the Sonata development.
C. Case No. PMW 98-4 - CENTURY CROWELL COMMUNITIES, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to alfow lot line
adjustments for lots 8, 9 and 10 of Tract No. 24254-2 located �.r
on Terraza Drive within the Sonata development.
D. Case No. PMW 98-5 - CENTURY CROWELL COMMUNITIES, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to allow lot line
adjustments for lots 12 through 16 and lots 18 through 23 of
Tract No. 24254-2 located on Baranda Court within the Sonata
development.
E. Case No. PMW 98-8 - OASIS, LLC, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver adjusting existing lot
lines to conform to revised development plan for property located
on Edessa Street and Saladin Drive, also known as APN's 634-
210-006 through 011 and 018 through 022 within Oasis
Country Club.
.r�
2
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�..►
F. Case Nos. PP 95-3 and PM 28196 - LORI A. MOSS/RIVERSIDE
COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY, Applicant
Request for approval of a first one-year time extension for a
precise plan of design and parcel map to allow construction of a
135,600 square foot retail center at the northeast corner of
Monterey Avenue and Dinah Shore Drive.
G. Case No. TT 26553 - JOHN C. MITCHELL, III/AVONDALE COUNTRY
CLUB, Applicant
Request for approval of a third one-year time extension for TT
26553, a 20-lot single family subdivision located on the
northwest end of Avondale Country Club, south of Frank Sinatra
Drive.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
�� approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Carried 4-0.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to raising
only those issues he/she or someone else raised at the public hearing described
herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the Planning Commission at,
or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Continued Case No. CUP 91-9 Amendment - OLIPHANT & LIZZA,
Applicants
Request for approval of an amendment to an existing restaurant
and valet parking Conditional Use Permif adding 52 valet parking
spaces within existing commercial parking lots totaling 106 valet
parking spaces to allow a 1 ,000 square foot expansion to an
existing 6,000 square foot restaurant at the northeast corner of
Highway 1 1 1 and Portola Avenue.
�..
3
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMiSSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
Chairperson Campbell noted that the applicant was requesting a continuance
to June 2, 1998. She indicated that the public hearing was open and asked
for a staff report.
Mr. Drell indicated that since the public hearing was open, anyone who wished
to should be allowed to speak and staff's recommendation was a continuance
to June 2, 1998.
�:;.;.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to� speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal.
MR. AL HERTZ, owner of Dash Golf Cars, 70-050 Highway 11 1 , asked
if staff was still recommending approval.
Mr. Drell replied yes, staff was still recommending approval. There were
negotiations going on to try and resolve some of the conflicts and expand the
amount of available parking which would address a lot of problems. The goal
was to physically make more parking available to the use and there were
negotiations between some of the interested parties that might accomplish '�
that goal.
Mr. Hertz asked if Mr. Drell was talking about additional parking for
customers or additional parking for staff.
Mr. Drell said either way, for customers or staff and making more available for
customers would free up more space for staff.
Mr. Hertz stated that at 3:30 p.m. for the last month they have had 12
public places filled by their staff along the front of his building and in
front of Ace Hardware. All of the parking places that were shown as
city parking for valet were also full with their staff. He felt they needed
to find a place to park their own people.
Chairperson Campbell left the public hearing open and asked the commission
for a motion to continue the matter to June 2, 1998.
�
4
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�..
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Beaty,
continuing CUP 91-1 Amendment to June 2, 1998 by minute motion. Carried
4-0.
B. Continued Case Nos. GPA 98-2, C/Z 98-2 and PM 28780 - MAINIERO,
SMITH & ASSOCIATES, INC., Applicant
Request for approval of a General Plan Amendment from Low
Density Residential to Commercial-Industrial; a Zone Change from
PR-5 (Planned Residential) to PCl2) (District Commercial Center)
and a Parcel Map to separate the proposed commercial parcel
from the residential portion for property located at the northwest
corner of Gerald Ford Drive and Portola Avenue.
Chairperson Campbell noted that the public hearing was open and asked for
a staff report.
... Mr. Smith stated that the applicant submitted a letter dated May 1 , 1998,
� asking that the cases relating to the general plan amendment and change of
zone be tabled. They were also asking that the commission approve Parcel
Map 28780. He indicated a copy of the parcel map was on display. Staff
recommended approval of the staff report and indicated that if commission
chose to approve it, the commission would divide up the existing 81-acre
parcel into the 17-acre piece and the remainder piece to the west which has
an approved tentative map on it for some 296 single family lots. This piece
was supposed to become a remainder piece when that map recorded. That
map had not been recorded, so at this point the applicant was requesting
approval of the parcel map. Mr. Smith indicated that a draft resolution with
necessary findings for approval of the parcel map was included in the staff
report and recommended approval.
Commissioner Beaty asked if there was any ad'vantage to acting on the parcel
map right now. He would rather address all�the issues at the same time unless
there was a reason to do it tonight. He also asked if there were some
disadvantages. If the commission approved the proposed map tonight, they
might come back and request another change. Mr. Smith said they might very
well come back at some point in the future, but this would allow them to sell
:�
one parcel or the other in its present zoning. Mr. Drell stated that by approval
5
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNtNG COMMtSSION
MAY 5, 1998 '
3
�
of the previous residential tentative map, they have already given them
permission to create this parcel. It was just that under the tentative map
approved, they would have to do all the bonding, etc., with the entire property
to get a final on that residential tract. He felt the decision had already been
made that these would be two separate parcels and this allowed them to move
ahead with one or the other.
Chairperson Campbell asked if the applicant wauld like to address the
commission. �
MR. 60B MAINIERO, Mainiero, Smith and Associates at 777 E.
Tahquitz McCallum Way in Palm .Springs, stated that he was
representing the property owners, Westworld Properties and the David
Freedman Company. He explained that with the tentative parcel map
and ultimately the fina! parcel map, they were irying to separate the
previously approved subdivision of 296 lots to be able to sell that parcel
off. Right now it could not be sold separately. If the proposed map
was approved, they would follow up with a final parcel map which ;
would create a parcel for the subdivision and a separate 20-acre parcel. �
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION. There was no one. The public hearing was closed. Chairperson
Campbell asked for commission comments. Chairperson Campbell asked staff
if the public hearing for GPA 98-2 and C/Z 98-2 should be left open. Mr. Drell
advised that the public hearing be closed since staff's recommendation was
to table the matter.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
tabling Case Nos. GPA 98-2 and C/Z 98-2 by minute motion. Carried 4-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
approving the findings for approval of PM 28780 as presented by staff.
Carried 4-0. .
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1858, approving PM 28780,
subject to conditions. Carried 4-0.
;
�
6
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
...
C. Case No. CUP 98-6 - LOUIS LASSABATERE/CITY LITES, Applicant
Request for approval of a Conditional Use Permit to allow a two
foot by four foot outdoor clothing display of women's apparel in
front of the City Lites business at 42-335 Washington Street #J.
Mr. Drell explained that a small clothing store located in a supermarket
shopping center would like to put out a clothingr rack as a display. In that it
is outside of the strictly defined interior of the store, it is an outdoor display
and, therefore, it was not permitted unless a conditional use permit is
provided. Initially the city used to forbid outdoor displays entirely but that
changed when the city went through the process to allow the College of the
Desert Street Fair, which is all outdoor displays and sales. It was approved
with a conditional use permit and the city changed the code to allow any
commercial business to apply for permission through a conditional use to
engage in outdoor display or sales. He didn't recall any requests that had been
processed or approved other than the College of the Desert Street Fair. The
situation before the commission is a condition which he felt was a retail design
... problem which exists throughout the city. It had existed at one time on EI
Paseo, but it exists especially in shopping centers that have large stores that
have good visibility, then there are small intermediate shops typically
dominated by monolithic architecture and very large, heavy overhangs which
tended to obscure the shop windows from the parking lot and more so since
these shops were usually a good distance from the street and anywhere else.
Architecturally they seemed to fall somewhere in between indoors and
outdoors. The condition used to exist on EI Paseo at what is now the EI Paseo
Collection North. After the continued failure of small shops, the property
owner tore the facades off the buildings so that store fronts were right at the
sidewalk and there was visibility. Historically shops dominated by heaving
canopy overhangs fail. They have an especially hard time in these shopping
centers where there is no pedestrian activity of any significance. He felt that
the customer's attention needed to be caught from the parking lot or as they
leave a larger store. City Lites made applicatibn for a conditional use permit
to get permission to display a rack. Staff was unsure exactly how to solve the
problem. Mr. Drell noted that the Department of Community Development is
also responsible for Business Support, staff acknowledged and understood it
is a problem, and these shopping centers have a design which inherently is not
all that positive or conducive to attracting people to these businesses. In order
to differentiate, control and limit any precedent, which was staff's concern,
w..
7
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�
�
�
they could acknowledge that these semi-enclosed walkways are almost like an
indoor space. The only thing they lack is a piece of glass. If a piece of glass
was put between the columns, it would be inside space and they could display
whatever they wanted. The direction staff wanted to discuss with the
commission was to figure out a way to define these semi-enclosed spaces as
different from inside or outside and find a way to allow some sort of additional
display of both signage and/or merchandise to allow these people to attract
some attention to allow their business to su�vi.ve. He said that if the
commission determined that in this situation that a c�onditional use permit is
warranted because of the architecture, then commission should direct staff to
prepare a resolution. If the commission had other ideas, staff wanted to hear
them.
Chairperson Campbell o�ened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. LOUIS LASSABATERE informed commission that his wife owns the
business and he was before commission on her behalf. He said that �
thus far, he has had the pleasure of ineeting three very delightful �
people: Daisy Garcia, the Code Enforcement Officer, Mr. Alvarez and
Mr. Drell. In the very beginning he felt there was a misnomer attached
to what he inadvertently called a citation. He said that Ms. Garcia told
him that the rack was visual pollution and that they were conducting
business on a pub(ic sidewalk. A discount rack might be visual pollution
to some people, but he would let that go for the moment. The fact that
Ms. Garcia said that they were conducting business on a public
sidewalk was entirely erroneous. He said he was sure the ladies present
at the Commission meeting from the time they were little girls shopping
went with their mothers and a discount rack was a visual approach to
something that was extraordinary to that store, namely discounts.
When they come to the end of a season, there were so many shoes
they couldn't find a place for and they were discounted and moved out.
He has a door that is open and they have an air-conditioned
environment and he has a sign that says open and women still come by
and asked if they're open because they miss that rack. It was almost
historical and that rack goes back to the time when they were children
and it was also an indication that the store is open for business.
Assuming that there is an item that is the right size, etc., they would
take it from the rack and enter into the store into his leasehold where
�
8
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
r..►
there is a dressing room and all business is conducted within the
leasehold. They do not conduct any business on a public sidewalk. He
thought this was one error at which the two gentlemen he mentioned
couldn't come to an understanding on because the ordinance apparently
reads against the situation now. He wanted the commission to
thoroughly understand it. He said there was really no other way he
could display the situation. He told commission that unless they could
help him, it would bankrupt them. He saidthey.might find that difficult
to believe and it was not that they sell that much from that rack, it was
the fact that the rack tells people that the door is open and leads them
to come in and buy other things. There was no bait and switch. It was
just an indication that the store is open for business. Giving the
commission an example of a comparable basis, he said that from March
of this year to March of last year they were down about 59,500 and
that was tough to make up, especially in this environment. When the
snowbirds left, the business was dead and he was hoping that the
commission would grant him some relief on an immediate basis so that
they could at least stay in business. He thanked the commission for
�,,,, their consideration. He also mentioned that he has from merchants,
within shouting distance, eight positive testimonials to the effect that
they enjoy the rack or don't object and look forward to seeing it there.
He said he had it available for the commission's inspection if they
wanted to see it.
Chairperson Campbell asked if Mr. Lassabatere was aware of the location of
the pillars and the surrounding area before signing a lease.
Mr. Lassabatere replied that if he knew then what he knows now, he
never would have allowed his wife to enter this business venture, but
since they were involved in it, he had to make the best of it and every
day was a challenge. This was a challenge now and he hoped they
could meet it in a win-win situation.
.
Chairperson Campbell noted that she is also in retail so she knew what he was
talking about, but if he was allowed to do this everyone in Palm Desert would
also request the same.
Mr. Lassabatere agreed, but felt that in practicality there weren't that
many people in this type of business with the combination that would
�..
9
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
have these displays because some of the store fronts do not call for
this. Others were in a position of keen observation and a pedestrian
walkway. When this overhang that Mr. Drell so succinctly described
and with automobiles parked there as you drive by you can very easily
miss it.
Chairperson Campbell noted that everyone else would like to have the racks
out also for sale.
Mr. Lassabatere said he was only representing himself so he couldn't
speak for anyone else, but they needed the commission's help and
would appreciate it.
Commissioner Fernandez asked if the store was open seven days a week.
Mr. Lassabatere replied that they were closed on Sunday. They were
open from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday.
3
Commissioner Fernandez asked for clarification that Mr. Lassabatere was only ..�
requesting permission for one rack.
Mr. Lassabatere concurred.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was
closed.
Commissioner Finerty stated that while she sympathized with City Lites'
dilemma, this action would be precedent setting and it was her personal
opinion that clutter of a rack would cheapen a center and the city would run
the risk of all businesses wanting racks and pretty soon centers throughout the
city would look tacky. She was against the proposal.
.
Commissioner Fernandez said that he was in favor of the proposal. He said he
was also a merchant and knew how tough it was and understood the troubles
City Lites was having. He was in favor.
Commissioner Beaty agreed with Commissioner Finerty. While he sympathized
with Mr. Lassabatere and understood his problem, he didn't like the
�
10
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
+�..
appearance of this rack and didn't want to have this as a citywide problem.
He was not in favor.
Chairperson Campbell said that she also was not in favor of something like
this. She could understand if the applicant wanted a special conditional use
for holidays or specific days to do something like this, but not six days a week
al) year. She was also opposed.
Mr. Drell noted that the commission didn't have any resolutions before them,
so the appropriate action would be to direct staff to prepare a resolution. He
indicated that this might be something that could be taken up with the Zoning
Ordinance Review Committee, but for better or worse the city is stuck with
these spaces and he said that while clutter might be a problem, centers with
a lot of vacant spaces and failed businesses were also a problem.
Chairperson Campbell suggested perhaps the Architectural Review Commission
should be told about this problem so that centers with this kind of architecture
aren't approved in the future. Mr. Drelf noted that when the Desert Crossing
�.,. shopping center came in they virtually eliminated almost all the small
intermediary shops for that very reason. Their experience was that it was very
tough for the little shops to survive when dominated by the larger stores. He
said it was a problem they had to face and find a solution for and staff has
tried to induce developers to tear off the big dominate canopies or create
individual store fronts and do things to promote the success of small
businesses. Unfortunately, it has been a battle with shopping center
developers. He said that in the future, hopefully there wouldn't be any more
centers like that built.
Mr. Lassabatere requested a point of order to readdress the commission.
Chairperson Campbell granted permission for Mr. Lassabatere to speak.
Mr. Lassabatere said that since the original "charge" by Daisy Garcia,
it was that they were conducting a business in a public sidewalk. He
said he would like to think that if there are rules, regulations and
ordinances they should affect everyone. Lucky's and Sav-On were
doing this very thing. They were conducting business on a public
sidewalk. People put a coin in a soft drink machine and the product is
delivered. If people put a coin in a newspaper vending box, the product
r..
11
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�
is delivered in front of them. People put a coin in the GTE telephone
unit and the service is received. That is conducting business in a public
sidewalk and he was wondering if all of these people have managed to
slip by all of this or if they all have permits. He wondered why it was
just for the smallest end of the business cycle. He said this would
practically put them out of business and it would be very tough to tell
his wife the commission's decision because all people do not put racks
out. � _
Chairperson Campbell pointed out that they are not allowed to put racks out.
Mr. Lassabatere said that if it was going to be allowed for him, then it
should be for everyone, and everyone in that shopping center. He
thought that all of them were in violation because he didn't conduct
business, nor has he ever conducted business, on a public sidewalk, but
there were others that do. He said he submitted photographs to Mr.
Drell and wondered what happened and if that would be taken up at
some time. �
�
Chairperson Campbell informed Mr. Lassabatere that he could apply for a
conditional use for special sales.
Mr. Lassabatere said he didn't know what to do now. He understood
that the commission was voting against him, but now they were
encouraging him to apply for a conditional use permit.
Mr. Drel! clarified that Mr. Lassabatere could apply for a temporary use permit
for special events, but that wasn't what Mr. Lassabatere wanted.
Mr. Lassabatere asked what commission suggested that he do. He was
confused. He asked what the meets and bounds were for the
temporary use permit that Mr. Drell said he could apply for.
.
Mr. Drell said that he was allowed ten days per year and the applicant could
pick out the days.
Upon questioning by Commissioner Beaty, Mr. Drell indicated that commission
needed to direct staff to prepare a resolution of denial or approval. r
�
�
12
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
Mr. Drell asked commission to state the grounds for denial or reason for the
decision. Commissioner Beaty felt an affirmative action would be encouraging
more of this to happen and in doing so they would be encouraging a real code
problem. He personally found it very visually offensive and didn't want to see
it in the city.
Action:
!t was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
directing staff to prepare a resolution of denial for. adoption at the next
meeting. Motion carried 3-1 (Commissioner Fernandez voted no).
Mr. Drell told the applicant that decisions of the commission were appealable
to the City Council if filed within 15 days. Mr. Hargreaves clarified that this
particular decision wouldn't be final until the resolution was adopted by the
Planning Commission at the next meeting.
D. Case Nos. TT 28701, PP/CUP 98-4 - MARRIOTT OWNERSHIP
�.• RESORTS, LLC, Applicant
Request for approval of a tentative tract map to subdivide 13.64
acres into 12 timeshare parcels and a precise plan/conditional use
permit to construct 102 timeshare units with related amenities
for property within the Marriott Desert Springs Resort,
specifically parcel located on the north side of Hovley Lane East
between Portola Avenue and Cook Street.
Mr. Alvarez explained that the property is within the Marriott Desert Springs
Resort, specifically on the north side of Hovley Lane East between Portola and
Cook Street. It fronted on Hovley Lane East and is bounded by the Marriott
Golf Course on the remaining three sides. Zoning on the property is Planned
Residential, four units per acre and has 13.64 acres. The tentative tract map
proposal was to divide this parcel into 12 parcels which would be designed
with nine timeshare structures with a total of 102 timeshare units. The site
would also have a 10,000 square foot community facilities building. Mr.
Alvarez explained that there would be an entrance gate approximately 160 feet
north of Hovley Lane. The Fire Marshal would require a secondary emergency
access which connects to the easterly existing timeshare facilities. This would
...
be accomplished via a golf cart access which meanders through the golf
13
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 . �
,
�
�
course. The architectural design, fioor plan and height of the structure were
identical to the existing timeshare units to the east. The commission had a
folder which illustrated the elevations. As required by ordinance, the minimum
project setback was 32 feet on Hovley and the remainder of the project was
setback 25 feet where it would back onto the golf course. The Department
of Public Works was requiring an acceleration/deceleration lane on Hovley
Lane. The site would have 210 parking spaces which equaled a 2.0 spaces
per unit ratio, which was greater than the existing 1,.8 which was approved at
the existing timeshare facility to the east. For purposes of CEQA this site was
previously assessed under Precise Plan 87-12 and the associated Negative
Declaration prepared under that approval, as well as Resolution 1 199. Staff
recommended approval of the project subject to the conditions.
Commissioner Beaty informed commission than on the advice of counsel, there
might be a slight chance of a conflict of interest so he would be abstaining
from the next two items.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked if the applicant �
wished to address the commission. �
MR. STEPHEN WITHERS, Vice President of Architecture and Design for
Marriott Vacation Club International, felt that planning staff described
the project very well. He said the proposal was part of their continuing
resort at the Desert Springs Hotel site and these were identical to the
buildings at Desert Springs Two. He said that Desert Springs One and
Two were the two projects on the site and this was identical to the
Two phase.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was
closed. Chairperson Campbell asked for commission comments.
Commissioner Finerty stated that she would move for approval. She felt that
Marriott Timeshares were a class act. Commissioner Fernandez agreed and
felt this was a great project. Chairperson Campbell concurred with
� Commissioners Finerty and Fernandez and asked for a motion.
�
�
�
14
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Carried 3-0-1 (Commissioner
Beaty abstained).
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1859, approving TT 28701 and
PP/CUP 98-4, subject to existing conditions. Car.ried 3-0-1 ICommissioner
Beaty abstained). � _
E. Case Nos. PP/CUP 98-5, TT 28818 AND DA 98-1 - MARRIOTT
OWNERSHIP RESC�RTS, INC., Applicant
Request for a recommendation to City Council of approval of a
Precise Plan/Conditional Use Permit, Tentative Tract Map,
Development Agreement and Negative Declaration of
Environmental Impact for an 18-hole golf course, 1200 unit
�.. timeshare resort and supporting amenities on 300± acres on the
east side of Monterey Avenue between Frank Sinatra Drive and
Gerald Ford Drive.
Chairperson Campbell noted that a continuance to June 2 was being
requested. Mr. Drell clarified that staff was recommending the continuance
to May 19, 1998.
Mr. Smith indicated that copies of the tentative map, site plan and a colored
site plan were on display. Mr. Smith explained that the proposal before the
commission was threefold. For the precise plan and conditional use permit for
the development itself, the code requires the approval of a conditional use
permit by the Planning Commission for timeshare and specifies that it must be
associated with an 18-hole golf course of at least 6400 yards and that it be
operated in conjunction with a resort hotel of at least 500 rooms. The precise
plan referred to the layout, the design elements and there were some points
where the project was still in the conceptual stage. As indicated, he explained
that the property is between Frank Sinatra and Gerald Ford on the east side of
Monterey. Its main access would be from Monterey approximately 1430 feet
south of Gerald Ford. The 300 acres did not include the 15-acre parcel on the
...
corner of Gerald Ford and Monterey. That piece was zoned Planned
15
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�
r
�
Commercial 2 and would be subject to some future proposal. The project
would also have one access point on Gerald Ford Drive which would proceed
southerly and that also had the maintenance facility located in that area at the
northeast corner of the property. There was a third access point onto Frank
Sinatra Drive westerly of the east property line. As indicated, the project is a
Nick Faldo designed 18-hole golf course, 1200 timeshare units in a series of
two, three and four story buildings. The applicant, while they haven't defined
which lots the various buildings would be on and 'wi�h the area adjacent to the
Kaufman and Broad property located easterly of the property off of Frank
Sinatra, the applicant indicated that the units in that area and along Frank
Sinatra Drive would be limited to two-stories. The three and four story units
would be located toward the interior of the site. The project would be divided
into four future villages, A, B, C and D. Village A would be at the northerly
end, and B, C and D located southerly. Parking was indicated at a ratio of 1 .5
spaces per unit. Staff hadn't seen the actual layout of the parking or the
design of the covered parking structures. Parking on the previous project was
at 2.0 and the existing project at Marriott 1 .8. In the case of Intrawest, u
Planning Commission and City Council approved between 1 .1 and 1 .5 parking �
spaces. Those buildings had the ability to build out into between five and nine +.r� �
units. That accounted for the range of parking provided. Mr. Smith stated
that the traffic issue remained open. The Department of Public Works was
requesting a traffic study in consultation with the City of Rancho Mirage.
They are an adjacent responsible party in that the west side of Monterey is in
the City of Rancho Mirage. Mr. Smith explained that at this time staff has not
seen any elevations of the buildings, the sales center, the restaurant, the
clubhouse, etc. The overall concept was shown to Architectural Review last
Tuesday and they granted conceptual approval. They felt they could support
the three and four story buildings given the extreme setbacks that would be
afforded those buildings in that it was their understanding that they were
going to be located toward the interior of the site. They were quite concerned
that the units adjacent to the K & B development at the southeasterly corner
of the property be limited to two-story structures. On page 5 of the staff
report, the ordinance requirements were outlirred in chart form. The issue of
the three and four story buildings put them.over the height limit, which is two
stories and 24 feet. As with the hotel development for the Courtyard and
Residence Inn, this was the same zone and same requirement and there is an
exception process and the matter would be referred to the City Council for '
consideration on the height. He noted that the matter would also go to the
Council in that the applicant was requesting a development agreement, a draft �
16
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�...
of which was included in the Commission's packet. Staff had not received
comments from the City Attorney yet, but those would be coming shortly.
That, along with some of the other issues, led staff to recommend the
continuance. Tentative Tract 28818 was the mapping and Mr. Smith felt the
findings could be made for that at the appropriate time. The remaining basic
issues were the traffic study/consultation with the City of Rancho Mirage and
the comments from the City Attorney on the development agreement. With
those uncertainties, staff was recommending tha�the matter be continued.
Staff's first recommendation was June 2 and depending on when this
information could be received, he suggested that perhaps commission might
consider continuing the case to May 19, 1998.
Commissioner Finerty asked for clarification on how this facility would operate
in conjunction with the current Marriott on Country Club. Mr. Drell explained
that it would basically have the same relationship with the Marriott Hotel as
the existing timeshare does. They would have the same access to the Marriott
facilities, the same priority tee times on the golf course, the same rights and
privileges that the Villas do presentiy. It was supposed to be managed,
,�„ marketed, reservations taken and rented out by the same organization as if it
was contiguous.
Chairperson Campbell asked if it would have its own restaurant, clubhouse,
etc. Mr. Drell concurred that it would have its own facilities as well, but it
was his understanding that timeshare members and guests of the hotel would
also have priority rights at this golf course. If they had 300 acres adjacent to
their existing facility that is where this project would have gone. Mr. Smith
informed Commission that staff asked the applicant to provide a statement
defining that and also suggested that language be incorporated into the
development agreement. Staff was cognizant of that concern. Commissioner
Fernandez asked if this was continued if staff wanted it continued to May 19
or June 2. Mr. Drell indicated that he has been made aware of some time
constraints that the applicant would talk about and staff would like to make
every attempt to conclude the process by July: Therefore they would attempt
to have everything by the 19th of May. .
Chairperson Campbell o�ened the public testimony and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
r..
17
MlNUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�
;
�
MR. RONALD EASTMAN, 935 Farmhaven Drive in Rockville, Maryland,
informed Commission that Mr. Withers would be discussing the project.
He stated that he had the letter tonight for staff regarding how the
properties would work together and he would give that to them before
he left. He said that last evening they had a meeting with residents of
the Kaufman and Broad development. Thirty-one people were kind
enough to come and talk with them and look at the plans. They
showed the residents some perspectives of wchat they believed were the
view corridors and the setbacks and what the.views would look like
from their homes. After looking at them today, the residents believed
they had found some problems. He offered to fly balloons and build
some scaffolding to demonstrate to them further just what the views
would be over their walls for the homes that boarder the property. He
noted that eight or nine were kind enough to come to the meeting
tonight to see this and he appreciated that very much. He assured the
Commission and the residents that it was their intention to be good
neighbors and they would work diligently to try and resolve any
differences.
€
�.rl
MR. STEPHEN WITHERS, Vice President of Architecture and Design for
Marriott Vacation Club International, stated that the project as described
by Mr. Smith is located at Gerald Ford, Monterey and Frank Sinatra. He
explained that they were proposing an entrance on Monterey and
pointed out on the display boards the location of the resort center, the
check-in area and beginnings of the golf course. He indicated that the
sales office would be the first visual impact of the site. Coming in from
there would be Village A, which would be the first phase and
surrounded by golf. They were proposing a drive to come all the way
through the project and come out at Frank Sinatra so that they would
have the ability to turn to go back toward town. The other three
villages were tucked back into the site. He showed Commission a
rendering of the proposal along Monterey and he said they worked with
Planning to have the open wall in combination with the closed wall so
that the people along Monterey could experience the project golf vistas
all the way to the Faldo Training Institute. He said they were talking
about several thousand feet back. He showed the entrance where there
would be a series of waterfalls. Both would work from the street and
would also come back and feed the lake on the inside around the 9th ;
hole. He said they produced a perspective along Frank Sinatra looking °
�
18
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�..
back into the project at the golf area and the 7th and 8th greens would
be visible from Frank Sinatra. He said they also did that at the Marriott
Desert Springs Hotel with the open and closed wall sections. Mr.
Withers also had a drawing showing Frank Sinatra Drive and the
distance to the closest building to be perceived along Frank Sinatra. He
noted that as described by Mr. Eastman last night, they put together a
section through the Kaufman and Broad property. Until last night they
were assuming that the main issue 'wpuld be privacy to the
neighborhood's backyard and they were talking about planting and
walls, etc., so that none of ihe buildings along there could be seen from
their backyard. What they discovered last night was that they were not
only concerned about privacy, but about their view of the mountains. �
He said he was trying to illustrate that two-story residential zoning was
a typical residential neighborhood and that was what they would be
seeing. He showed the area where they clustered two buildings in
relationship to the K & B homes. He proposed reworking those two
buildings so that only ends of buildings were seen and they would work
with them to make sure that platforms were built to show how the ends
�,,,, would impact them. He said they were planning to be good neighbors
so that they would not only have protection to their backyards, and
while their views might be blocked by the ends of the buildings of the
villages, the majority would be maintained. They would work with them
on that. He showed the concept of the covered parking looking into the
courtyards between the buildings. The architectural style would be
similar to the Desert Springs Villas with the columns, stucco, the color
banding and railings. He showed a picture showing the parking for the
village structures to be located between the drive and buildings. He
also had illustrations showing how the three story and four story
buildings would look. He said that with the three story buildings, they
banded buildings and put the articulation similar to Desert Springs Two
and repeated that with the four story buildings. He said their proposal
for the site plans was to have all the buildings two stories around the
edge, then three stories, and where there were really long vistas they
would have the four story buildings that would be 2,000 feet from the
street to help offset some of the lower density along the perimeter. He
said the buildings were very similar to Desert Springs Two where they
have eight and 12 units and here they were just talking about six so
there would be more green space between the buildings. He showed
the location of the 18-hole golf course, the Faldo Training Center and
`
19
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
��
.ri
the maintenance building and where the site drops off they were talking
about screening that from the road and they would keep the level the
same as Gerald Ford to match the ground level. Each village would
have its own pool and amenity center with a pool and a grill in a
somewhat sculptured setting. At the resort center they would have a
golf/grill restaurant, a golf pro shop at the starting point for all the golf,
and a check-in area for all the timeshare guests.
Chairperson Campbell asked what would happen on��the east parcel.
Mr. Withers explained that was 15 acres of commercially zoned
property. He said there were originally 20 acres but they used five
acres for their entrance as well as a 17-acre parcel where Monterey
makes a turn and they do not go to the intersection of Frank Sinatra and
Monterey. That 17 acres was in Rancho Mirage.
Commissioner Finerty asked for the height of the existing timeshare villas. ,
�
T
Mr. Withers said they were two stories and he thought the maximum �
height was 30 feet. He also thought it was 18 feet to the underside of
the eave and the roof sloped up at a 4/12 slope.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal.
MR. GARY KORT, 37-799 Drexell Drive in Palm Desert within the
Kaufman and Broad development, stated that after attending last night's
meeting he went home to his backyard and studied the distance of 150
feet, 200 feet, 300 feet and 600 feet. He felt a two story timeshare
building would definitely block out their view. Right now they have a
gorgeous panoramic view of the entire mountains facing the Palm
Springs Tram. They purchased their homes for this view and were
ensured by their developer that there would be one level homes
developed on that side at any given time and that was the reason he
purchased his home facing that way. They never worried about their
view being blocked. As Mr. Withers pointed out on his map about how
the homes could be built closer to the wall and they were doing them
a favor by building them farther away, Mr. Kort felt that they were
really doing Mr. Withers a favor by not being closer to their wall �
�
20
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
...
because they have barbeques in their backyards, make noise and had
music playing which would be very disturbing to their customers. He
didn't think it was beneficial to the homeowners that he moved it away,
he felt it was just for their own development that they did it. Mr. Kort
also felt they were losing their privacy. He said he has a backyard that
is 40 feet deep by 100 feet wide and he sat in every spot of his
backyard looking out at his neighbor's homes which have a 100-foot
wide width and he could see the tops of rth�ir roofs five houses down
and they were one story. Two stories would'�block the views of the
mountains completely. He asked that Commission take into
consideration what the homeowners would lose and why they
purchased those homes to begin with. He said there was also a little
concern about noise. Twenty feet behind their wall would be an access
road from Frank Sinatra going out to Monterey. He felt there would be
a lot of traffic going back and forth. That was another concern of
theirs. He said it was not as important to him as his view and privacy,
but it was a concern. He said he appreciated the Marriott staff wanting
to work with them with building platforms and having balloons and he
�,,, would like to see that happen at more than just at a 150-foot distance.
He would like to see it for the three story buildings and the four story
buildings. He didn't want to lose any view at all and if he could see
that he was going to lose his view at 150 feet, he should lose it at 600
feet with the three stories, 1 ,000 feet with the four story and it was a
real consideration of his to find out. He hoped that they would do this
to help them. He suggested that they needed to go back at least 600
feet for a two-story building not to block their view and keep their
privacy.
MS. DENISE WELCH, 37-575 Drexell Drive in the Kaufman and Broad
development, stated that she believed there were three issues dealing
with the Marriott timeshare project. The first was the view. That was
the reason they purchased their property and they would like to
preserve that. She said she too went out to her backyard and she could
see the Ritz Carlton from her backyard and she believed that a four
story timeshare facility would block her view of those mountains. The
second issue was security. The wall they would share between the
Marriott and her property would be 20 feet away from an access road
and this facility was supposedly going to have public access to it. They
requested that the Marriott actually provide a clearance entrance that
�
21
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
}
�
,
ui
is gated so that would prevent any public access back in on that access
road to prevent anyone from climbing over her wall and breaking into
her property. The third issue was landscaping. She said they asked last
night that the Marriott take into consideration their views by providing
palm trees at the corner of their lots rather than putting them right in
the middle of their lots to once again preserve their beautiful views.
She hoped that the Commission would take all of those issues into
consideration and thought that was the rea�on that everyone lived in
the desert, to enjoy the beautiful view and sFie was sure they could
work with the Marriott to come up with a positive proposal.
MR. JACK PHINN, 37-659 Drexell Drive in the Kaufman and Broad
tract, agreed with Mr. Kort and Ms. Welch on their issues on the view.
Today he went into his backyard and took a study and he could see
from his backyard the roof top of the house five houses down and he
wasn't too tall. He thought that someone near six feet could probably
see a lot more than he could. That was his main concern, the setback
on the two-story dwellings. He appreciated them making the offer to j
make platforms and balloons to let them see what they were up against. �
Their major concerns were privacy and the view.
MR. JOE BATOK, 73-500 Woodward, at the northwest corner of
Drexell at Woodward in the Kaufman and Broad development, said he
wouldn't belabor the point that the three previous speakers had made,
but they were all tremendously concerned about the view that they
would like to maintain. They bought out there in the first place to
insure their views and a paramount of privacy. He said they had a letter
that they wanted to pass on to Mr. Smith signed by most of the
neighborhood, or at least those that live along Drexell Drive, regarding
the hope that the Planning Commission and the Marriott Corporation
would keep ihem in mind as this venture progressed and keep their
worries in mind.
.
MR. TERRY LUDWIG also asked the.Marriott group to reevaluate their
site levels as they project to look over the wall. He felt it was at an
angle that was a little too high. Also, the angle of the road was going
to go toward thEir homes. He asked if they could project what the�
angle of that road would be because the car lights would shine right at �
their homes. He asked that they also take that into consideration. �
�
22
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�..
Mr. Eastman said he had some comments on the discussions last night.
The issue of lights was a concern of a couple of residents. He said they
were able to change the road enough so that the lights would not go
onto their homes, but would go off into the empty field. As far as the
road going by the development there, there was some concern about
security which he understood and they would be putting in a gate there
that would be closed at night with entrance only with a key so there
wouldn't be a problem with vandals. Pl�nting the palm trees at the
corners was something they could do and. he said they really
appreciated all the input from all the people and they would have a
better project because of it.
MR. MILOSEVICH, a resident on Drexell Drive, stated that his concern
was the view. Two stories would hinder them, unless they were moved
back. He noted that the developers were willing to work with them and
they definitely wanted the golf course, but the residents wanted a little
cooperation. The developers were going to stage a balloon so that they
could see how the building would affect their view and he was waiting
,�, for them to do that.
MR. ALEXANDER DEWEY, 37-967 Drexell Drive, said he has the same
concerns as his fellow neighbors. One of his main concerns was the
view. As a homeowner, they bought this house with its beautiful view
of the mountains. He complimented the layout but was concerned
about the two story buildings that would obstruct the view. This
afternoon he said he went out there and measured the distance and
from the side view, the angle could be an illusion, but he asked Marriott
Ownership Resort to show any obstruction. They didn't have any
pictures of that sort. His next concern was congestion of traffic behind
the wall. He said they estimated 7,000 cars on a daily basis. He was
concerned about the noise and pollution since children would be play in
the backyards. Security was also a concern. He wanted to know if the
applicants were going to provide secuMty for their backyards so that
people wouldn't jump over the wall since it would be a public access.
He felt that if it was a gated community in the east section areas, they
should have a gated entrance. He said his backyard was right on the
corner, but that was a concern for his neighbors as well. He hoped that
in the future there was good cooperation with Marriott Ownership
�..
23
MlNUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
F'
f
1
�
Resort and Kaufman and Broad. He appreciated the plan and hoped that
they would take the homeowners' consideration seriously.
Mr. Withers readdressed the commission and said they were aware of
the Kaufman and Broad neighbors' concerns. He said they would do
everything they could to address them within certain limits of not
building on that property. They heard several times that the
homeowners were promised by their developer that their views would
never be blocked and they couldn't really respond to what they were
told. He did know that they could open the ends up as described and
give them that entire vista down that golf green which he felt was very
important. Regarding the security issues, there was a concern about
having a low wall and people can go over low walls. He felt the issue
was gating the entrance, especially after dark which was acceptable to
them. The other issue was noise, etc. He felt maintaining the wall and
keeping a dense landscaping along there wou{d help solve that problem.
He thought that the traffic count number of 7,000 was produced by the
city based on the density. He said that this project has taken this land's �
density way down because of the addition of the golf course. If this �
was a project similar to the Kaufman and Broad project, the density and
traffic count would be much higher. One of the reasons they didn't
have a traffic report tonight, and he apologized for that, was because
they were taking the traffic count way down and were improving the
entire situation in this area. They were cognizant of trying to keep the
entire drive speed limit down to 15-20 mph. At each one of the villages
there would be a raised platform (though not a speed bump) which
would go up slightly, go across a textured surface, and then go back
down which would help control speed. Every one of the drives entering
there would have a stop. They would address the right angle
intersections to the boulevard that come through the site to make sure
the lights and traffic would be brought to a specific point to lessen any
impact on the houses. They thought that last night's meeting was
positive and the idea of putting the landscaping at the corners of the lot
was an excellent idea. He hoped they appreciated their response in
working with them.
Chairperson Campbell stated that the public hearing would remain open and
asked for commission comments or a motion.
�
�i
24
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
Commissioner Finerty noted that the existing zoning was PR-5 and asked if
houses were built there, how many would be allowed on the 300 acres total,
if that would be 1500. Mr. Smith concurred that it would be 1500.
Commissioner Finerty asked if two story homes were allowed in the PR-5
zone. Mr. Smith replied yes. Commissioner Finerty asked what the height
restriction for the two story homes would be. Mr. Smith answered 24 feet.
Mr. Drell explained that they would be pretty much excluded from the direct
perimeter, but typically within 120 feet or one lot depth is when they could
begin two stories. He said the same applies for almo�st any R-1 zone. They
require a depth of one lot between two story zones and one story zones.
Chairperson Campbell asked if the applicant would have all of the necessary
items for staff by May 19 or if they would like a continuance to June 2, 1998.
Mr. Withers said that this project is planned for almost a seven to a ten-
year sell out. They would phase the project as they go. At this time
they didn't have a definitive architectural plan for the resort center and
they p(anned to come back to the Architectural Review Commission
r,,,, every time they get to the level of detail on each phase of the project
as they did with the Desert Springs Parcel B project and that was their
intent, to continually keep the homeowners and board informed.
Mr. Drell asked if Mr. Withers wanted the continuance to May 19 or June 2.
Mr. Withers preferred May 19, 1998.
Chairperson Campbell left the public hearing open and asked for a motion to
continue this case to May 19, 1998.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
continuing PP/CUP 98-5, TT 28818 and DA 98-1 to May 19, 1998 by minute
motion. Carried 3-0-1 (Commissioner Beaty abstained).
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
A. Discussion of a Determination of Use request to allow
convenience/commercial uses to apply within the S.I. zone. (Proposed
..
25
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�
r1
request is to locate at the northeast corner of Cook Street and Green
Way.)
Mr. Drell explained that periodically staff brought before Commission
� determination of uses not listed and one of the more common requests have
been in the Service Industrial zone. He said the current request involves the
property on Cook Street north of Green Way. He said that typically the city
has been approving convenience/commercial uses t}�at serve the industrial area
such as sandwich shops, little convenience stores,��etc. This request goes
beyond that. They were talking about convenience/commercial uses that serve
the residential area and was something more than a little 1 ,800 or 2,000
square foot convenience store. Staff thought it might be stretching the S.I.
zone a little too far, but on the other hand when the industrial zone was
originally created it was kind of the "back 40" and they were going to put the
uses here that they didn't want to see on Highway 1 11 or EI Paseo. Since
that occurred, Cook Street has become one of the major entrances/boulevards
in the city and residential areas were developing around this industrial zone.
He asked if it was time to consider permitting a more residentially
oriented/general public oriented commercial facility at this particular location. ,�
That was the question for commission. He asked for guidance as to whether
the commission thought it would be appropriate to initiate a change of zone
for this parcel or something like that. He felt this part of the city had changed
dramatically since 1980 when this area was originally set up. One of the
commercial uses would be something like a down scaled Jensen's market like
the one at Frank Sinatra. Mr. Drell noted that he has been out at the
timeshare facility and he has seen people walking with shopping bags coming
back from Ralph's market and going into the timeshare units. He asked for
commission direction. Mr. Drell indicated that the applicant was present if the
commission wished to hear from him. He felt that Mr. Green's letter was very
complete in outlining his request.
MR. BOB GREEN, President of Lakeside Corporation, a family
corporation, stated that he has owned �the property for over 20 years
and they were involved in the Master Plan for the Cook Street Business
Park and started their first building there in 1981 . The vacant parcels
fronting Cook Street have been that way ever since. He thought the
Cook Street Business Park, of which Southern California Gas Company
was a major tenant, was one of the most beautiful parks in the Valley ;
and they have always prided themselves in the looks of the park and the �
26
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
upkeep and maintenance and design. He felt there was a definite pride
of ownership. In keeping with that, the growth of Cook Street itself
and the evolution has taken a turn and was no longer in the backyard
of Palm Desert and was really in the heart of it and it is now a major
artery connecting to I-10. He felt there were many retail uses along
there. There was a bank, restaurant and market right across from his
property, all within the industrial zone. They thought the timing was
right to develop out the property and thejr �vere involved right now in
discussions with the city as far as the condemnation of some property
and realigning 42nd Street into the park. He didn't know if that really
mattered because they would go ahead and develop one way or
another. What he was talking about was that at 42nd Street it could
potentially be a lighted intersection where it would be extended east
across Cook Street and into the park. Green Way would basically be
abandoned and moved up to the northern end of the park. He asked if
the commission would like to see a drawing.
Commissioner Beaty stated that he was very interested in the discussion. He
�.r. goes through there frequently and he asked why Green Way didn't get aligned
with Velie. He said there were times that it was impossible to get onto Cook
Street.
Mr. Green felt that was the heart of why they were trying to realign it.
Commissioner Beaty reiterated that was his concern.
Mr. Green agreed that it was being discussed and was a safety issue for
people trying to make a left turn out of there.
Commissioner Beaty asked if it would line up with Velie or 42nd.
Mr. Green said 42nd.
.
Mr. Drell explained that it would be brought to the north right to the northern
edge of the property.
Commissioner Beaty noted that there was a stop sign at Velie. Mr. Green
concurred. Commissioner Beaty asked if there would also be a light at 42nd.
Mr. Green replied yes, but thought that the stop sign would be eliminated and
�..
27
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�
�
�
it was his understanding that there would be a median along Cook Street
there.
Mr. Greenwood explained that the project would involve removal of the stop
signs at Velie and probably installation of inedians to control left turns there
and the installation of a signal at 42nd if it was extended across to the east.
Commissioner Beaty felt that no left turn at Veli�,would present the same
problem. Mr. Greenwood said they were exploring the possibility of extending
the street at the west end of Velie through to 42nd through the city's
Corporation Yard. Commissioner Beaty noted that they were all well aware of
the problem and asked that they not move the problem across the street.
Commissioner Beaty said that he had no problem with the uses being
proposed.
Mr. Green informed commission that presently the property is 3.29
acres. With the condemnation and trading/swapping it would probably �
be reduced down to about 97,500 square feet. He didn't know what !.,�
the coverage was but he was looking at what would be the best use for
that area and he felt it would be a quasi-retail commercial center. He
looked at the design showrooms in the area, the retail uses in the area
and at the residential uses in the area. He thought there was a need for
that. Jensen's Market made a proposal to him out of the blue and this
was before any street realignment discussion. This was under the
current conditions. He didn't know if the commission had seen their
convenience market in Rancho Mirage, but it would be very much an
upscale market as well as it is in Palm Desert. He would relish having
them as an anchor in that center and in keeping with that, build out a
commercial center that both fit their image and what they want to see
and what the commission would like to see also. He said this was his
second project like this and in pursuing this and given the existing
zoning, he found it unfathomable to go ahead and build out a center and
then ask for a conditional use permit every time he got a use. He noted
that Mr. Drell said they came to the conclusion that this was probably
pushing over that line of Service Industrial permitted uses and while
they have approved markets, they had been little convenience store •
uses of about 1500 square feet. This was definitely more. �
�
28
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
r..
Chairperson Campbell noted they were talking about Jensen's and asked about
the proposed size.
Mr. Green said it would be approximately 4,000 square feet.
Commissioner Fernandez asked the City Attorney if this would be a conflict of
interest for him. Mr. Hargreaves didn't believe there was a conflict of interest
nor a foreseeable economic impact on his employer.
Commissioner Beaty said he didn't have a problem with the proposal because
the area has changed so much and those uses would be welcome. Mr. Drell
felt the direction would be for staff to initiate as part of a precise plan an
appropriate commercial zone for the project being described. Commissioner
Beaty noted that could apply to both sides of Cook Street. Mr. Drell agreed
that theoretically it could.
Commissioner Finerty said she was in agreement with Commissioner Beaty.
r.. Action: .
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
directing staff to initiate the appropriate change of zone in conjunction with an
application for a precise plan. Motion carried 4-0.
B. Continued Case No. ZOA 97-6 - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for consideration of an amendment to Chapter
25.56.500 of the Municipal Cade (Hotel Development
Standards).
Mr. Drell explained that this was a case number created when the code was
going to be amended for the hotel standards and when the recent Marriott
proposal was processed it was given another case number and staff just
wanted to table this one. _
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
accepting withdrawal of Case No. ZOA 97-6 by minute motion. Carried 4-0.
r...
29
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998 �
�i
C. Request for approval of revised Palm Desert Planning Commission
Bylaws
Commissioner Beaty stated that he would like to put this item off until
Commissioner Jonathan could participate in the discussion. Chairperson
Campbell asked if the commission would like another study session to discuss
the bylaws. Commission agreed. Mr. Hargreaves suggested that if staff
confirmed the attendance of all commissioners; the study session could be
scheduled for May 19 at 6:00 p.m. so that he coulc��also address any other
questions the commission might have regarding conflicts. Mr. Smith noted
that the meeting of May 19 might be rather lengthy and suggested that they
might want to continue this to June 2 since the evening would be that much
longer. Mr. Drell briefed the Commission on upcoming public hearing items.
Commissioner Beaty said he would not like to do it on June 2 because he has
previous plans. Chairperson Campbell suggested June 16; Commissioner
Beaty said he would be out of the country then. Commissioner Beaty said
they could have the study session without him. After further discussion �
Commission instructed staff to place this item on the next study session �
agenda and regular agenda if Commissioner Jonathan could attend. .�
Action:
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. CIVIC CENTER STEERING COMMITTEE
None.
B. DESERT WILLOW COMMITTEE
None. •
C. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
None.
5
�
�
30
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
r..
D. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
None.
E. PALM DESERT/RANCHO MIRAGE MONTEREY AVENUE CORRIDOR
PLANNING WORK GROUP
None.
F. ZONING ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMITTEE -"April 22, 1998
Mr. Smith indicated that ZORC discussed the necessity of amending the
ordinance as it applies to appeals of decisions by the Architectural
Review Commission and Planning Commission. After lengthy
discussion, they decided to leave everything the way it is which means
that appeals of ARC will go to the City Council and appeals of decisions
of Planning Commission will also go to the City Council. The discussion
had been as to whether appeals of ARC should come through the
Planning Commission. The basic problem they saw with that was that
r.. the applicant was subjecting himself to two appeal processes. Mr.
Smith noted that also on May 19 staff would bring back the mixed uses
in the Service Industrial District. ZORC was supportive of that with
similar language as per the C-1 zone. There was also discussion about
temporary window signage. Mr. Drell asked if they discussed China
Garden. Chairperson Campbell indicated that they discussed having ten
square feet for EI Paseo, 20 square feet for other areas and 50 square
feet for commercial and they hadn't decided what to recommend for
China Garden. Mr. Smith concurred. He said they were also looking at
amending the sign ordinance or Highway 111 frontages between
Monterey and Deep Canyon. Right now it was limited to one square
foot per linear foot of frontage of the building. The suggestion was for
raising that for those uses to one and a half square feet.
X�• COMMENTS
None.
�..
31
MINUTES
PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 5, 1998
�
:�
�
�
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Carried 4-0. The meeting was
adjourned at 8:50 p.m.
PHILIP DRE�.L Secreiayr-----�-
ATTEST: �
��.c.�c�t� C�-���-.. ��-�
SONIA M. CAMPBELL, Chairperson
Palm Desert Planning Commission
/tm
i
�
�
�
�
�
32