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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
TUESDAY - JULY 7, 1998
7:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER
�... 73-510 FRED WARING DRIVE
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Campbell called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
il. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Beaty led in the pledge of allegiance.
III. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sonia Campbell, Chairperson
Paul Beaty
George Fernandez
Cindy Finerty
Sabby Jonathan
�.. Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Phil Drell Phil Joy
Bob Hargreaves Joe Gaugush
Martin Alvarez Tonya Monroe
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Consideration of the June 16, 1998 meeting minutes.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Chairperson Campbell,
approving the June 16, 1998 meeting minutes as submitted. Motion carried
3-0-2 (Commissioners Beaty and Jonathan abstained).
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Mr. Drell summarized pertinent June 25, 1998 City Council actions.
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VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
MR. GARY TRYON, 74-047 San Marino Circle, asked if the City has done
anything or is doing anything to eliminate the need for gun toting guards in his
backyard for the Ruth's Chris parking lot. Mr. Drell replied no. He explained
that property owners can provide security and that particular property owner
has made a choice to provide security for his property. Other people have
dogs, some have electronic security devices and that property owner chose to
hire a security service. Mr. Tryon asked if Mr. Drell knew of any other
restaurant parking lot in Palm Desert that had armed guards every night of the
week. Mr. Drell stated that was not a decision the City makes. Mr. Tryon
said there was a very hazardous condition over there and he felt the City has
a responsibility and obligation to do something about eliminating it. He stated
that not one of the commissioners would live with armed guards sitting in their
backyards just so someone could eat a steak at a restaurant. Those lots
should not be used at night, never should have been and he felt they knew
that. He also wanted to know why the City puts conditions on use permits
when the people who have the use permits ignore the conditions and the City
refuses to enforce them.
Commissioner Jonathan asked Mr. Drell for an update on this matter. Mr. Drell
said the proposal was continued and staff should be receiving a revised
request this week and he would be rescheduling it for hearing. Also, he would
be meeting with the property owner, City Manager and the Redevelopment
Agency Director to discuss the status of the project. Chairperson Campbell
asked for confirmation that the matter would be coming before the Planning
Commission shortly. Mr. Drell concurred.
Mr. Tryon asked if this was a meeting on the existing conditions or the guns.
Mr. Drell explained that the City does not control whether a property owner
provides contract security services for their property. Mr. Tryon asked if, as
far as this city was concerned, gun toting guards in his backyard are fine. Mr.
Drell said the property owner is contracting with a security service that
operates throughout the city and throughout the Coachella Valley as far as he
knew. Mr. Tryon asked if as far as the conditions go if anything was going to
be done to enforce them. He gave the City a list three weeks ago. Mr. Drell
said the list has been transmitted to the applicant and he has been informed
of the violations and requested that they be corrected. Mr. Tryon asked if
there was some way that Mr. Drell could enforce them. He said that "Please
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do this" hasn't worked for seven years and he thought Mr. Drell would realize
that by now. Commissioner Jonathan noted that Mr. Tryon has been before
the Commission before expressing concern about some criminal activity that
has occurred in the area. He was a little surprised that Mr. Tryon had an
objection to guards being in the area. If Mr. Tryon had concerns about that
aspect of what is going on there, this was not the venue for it. The Planning
Commission doesn't tell a restaurant whether or not they can have security
guards or not. He wasn't sure what venue to tell Mr. Tryon to go to, whether
that is the City Council or staff, but he could tell Mr. Tryon that Planning
Commission wasn't it. Commissioner Jonathan acknowledged that Mr. Tryon
has some concerns about whether that restaurant is meeting its conditions of
approval for using that site and for that Mr. Tryon was at the right venue. He
addressed Mr. Drell and noted that the matter was before Commission initially
in an application for expanded use and modifications to the CUP. Mr. Drell
concurred. Commissioner Jonathan noted that as part of that there were
some concerns about whether the applicant was meeting the current
conditions. He felt this was the appropriate venue when someone has
concerns about conditions of approval and whether they are being adhered to
and asked staff when that matter could be addressed formerly and actually get
it on the agenda and basically dispense with it one way or the other so that
Mr. Tryon didn't have to keep coming back to the Commission at every
meeting. Mr. Drell said they went through this before last year and he recalled
that the procedure involved a recommendation from the Planning Commission
to the City Council to reconvene hearings on violations of conditions and
scheduling of hearings. Commissioner Jonathan asked what the next formal
step was that Mr. Tryon needed to undertake and if it needed to get onto the
Planning Commission agenda in the regularly scheduled matters under Public
Hearings. He asked what Mr. Tryon's procedure was to get the matter
formally heard before the Commission. Mr. Drell said he would have to look
through the conditions and find the appropriate section for the precise
procedure. Commissioner Jonathan suggested if nothing else that the
Commission ask staff to advise Mr. Tryon on the next step of the process so
that Mr. Tryon could have this matter formally heard by the Planning
Commission and then either have satisfaction at this level, or proceed to the
next level if that becomes necessary. He asked if that sounded like what Mr.
Tryon was after. Mr. Tryon replied that at least something was being done
then. Commissioner Jonathan said that since staff didn't have an immediate
answer for Mr. Tryon, Commission was asking staff to contact Mr. Tryon with
regard to the formal procedure Mr. Tryon needed to be undertaking on his part
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to get the matter formally heard by the Planning Commission and hopefully
that would happen very soon. Commissioner Jonathan stated that if for some
reason that didn't happen, Mr. Tryon should come to the next Planning
Commission meeting and tell them that staff never called and he didn't know
what to do next, but he didn't think that would happen. He had every
confidence with staff that they would be contacting Mr. Tryon within the next
day or two.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PM 27432 - EDWARD BARKETT/ATLAS PROPERTIES, INC.,
Applicant
Request for approval of a second one-year time extension for PM
27432, a six-lot parcel map consistent with the approved precise
plan on the northwest corner of Hovley Lane and Cook Street.
B. Case No. CUP 01-82 Amendment #4 - FOUNDATION FOR THE
RETARDED OF THE DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of a one-year time extension for CUP 01-82
Amendment #4 allowing construction of a 25,744 square foot
office/warehouse addition in the public/institution (P) zone at
Foundation for the Retarded of the Desert at 73-255 Country Club
Drive.
Commissioner Beaty noted that the Atlas Properties letter requested a two-year
extension and Commission was only being asked to approve one year. Mr. Drell
explained that City ordinance provided for only one year extensions.
Commissioner Beaty asked if the applicants were so notified or would be. Mr.
Drell stated they would be notified that they received a one year extension.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
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Vill. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to raising
only those issues he/she or someone else raised at the public hearing described
herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the Planning Commission at,
or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Continued Case Nos. GPA 97-6, C/Z 97-1 and PP 97-12 - F & M
ASSOCIATES, Applicant
Request for approval of a General Plan Amendment and Change
of Zone from medium density residential (PR-7) to PC-2 (district
commercial) on 9.1 acres with a Precise Plan of Design allowing
for up to 87,774 square feet of neighborhood center at the
northeast corner of Country Club Drive and Monterey Avenue.
Mr. Drell noted that this matter was continued from the last meeting. An issue
that received a lot of discussion was whether or not a tunnel should be
provided around the loading area to mitigate noise problems. On closer
examination of the noise study it was determined that only if incoming trucks
always turned their air-conditioning units off before they entered the site could
the project meet the noise ordinance without a tunnel. Staff felt it was not a
reasonable expectation that truck drivers would remember to do that. Staff
continued to recommend that the tunnel be constructed. Improving on the
design from what they learned from the previous tunnel at Lucky, the new plan
reflected a tunnel lower in profile than the building of the berm so it would not
create any additional site obstruction and would have turns at either end
directing all the noise out toward Country Club and not having the view of the
loading dock as with the tunnel on Deep Canyon. Staff was recommending
that as a solution to the noise problem that the tunnel was the acceptable
solution. As part of that, the site plan was also changed. Previously there
was a straight truck access road along the north side of the property, the
south side of homes at Merano, and with the turning of the tunnel, truck
traffic would now be directed to the middle access off of Monterey and while
there would still be a customer drive and access to part of the parking lot at
the northwest corner of the property, all the truck traffic would now be at the
center. In discussing the typical truck route with the applicant, the trucks
would be directed from the freeway to come down Cook Street to Country
Club and make a right turn into the project straight to the back, around into
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the loading dock, around back to the south and enter into a right-turn exit onto
Monterey to exit the center. They would have right turn access to enter and
exit the site. There wouldn't be a requirement for the trucks to drive across
or in front of the buildings. Staff felt those were all satisfactory solutions. He
noted that a letter was received from Mr. Carver which reiterated his
comments that he submitted at the last meeting concerning the prospects of
a closed Lucky store on the south side of the street and what the City was
going to do about it. Staff continued to recommend a series of mitigation
measures. The issuance of building permits for the Lucky store on the north
side would be contingent upon presentation of a signed lease from an
acceptable tenant. There were some additional conditions, including Condition
20, which said that prior to a Certificate of Occupancy for Lucky, they would
provide a letter of credit two times the cost of the tenant improvement for
their prospective tenant. There would then be six months once Lucky vacates
the building for those tenant improvements to proceed. It was being proposed
that for every day beyond six months that the building stays dark that there
be a $500 per day penalty. Mr. Drell stated that he would like to make an
addition to that condition which would allow American Stores to request an
extension of time beyond the 180 days without penalty if they could ..r
demonstrate to the City that the extensive nature or unique nature of the
required tenant improvements requires more time. If they showed they were
making a good faith effort to finish the building in a timely manner, there
would not be a penalty. These were just incentives to expedite both the
leasing and completion of the tenant improvements. He noted that a petition
from Merano residents was received which requested that the project not gain
any access from Via Scena. In the last plan there was an exit only from the
project to what would be a signalized intersection coordinated with the project
across the street to provide signaled left turns for the project, residents of
Merano and the project across the street. If all access to the project was
eliminated, then customers of this project would have virtually no way to
travel back to the east on Country Club. In that this project would be on the
western edge of the city, most of the city lies to the east and that in essence
limited and restricted access to the direction that a good number of Palm
Desert residents would want to go. It would be a hardship to the center and
would cause people to make inappropriate U-turns. He suggested that they
might go around the block to Frank Sinatra to Portola and then back east, but
staff felt that would not be appropriate. If the main access was just the right
turn in and out off of Country Club, the street would not be signalized but
would continue to have the access that it has now but over time he would
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guess that the traffic on Country Club would grow to the extent that left turn
access from Country Club would become harder and harder and more and
more dangerous and probably over time would be restricted. The best way to
achieve long term control and safe left turn access in and out would be
combined access with the project and a signal. Also included in the staff
report was a summary of the disclosure that all the residents of Merano
received concerning the prospects of a supermarket on this site. The CC&R's
went into great detail as to the potential nature of the project and the burdens
and benefits of living next to a shopping center. As to staff's past experience,
he had good news to report. When the move from the old Lucky on El Paseo
to their new store took place, it took some time but the old building has been
leased to Office Max, a major national tenant that is appropriate for the
property. There were some initial false starts, but it took a long time to
negotiate leases with large national tenants. They were expecting to begin
their tenant improvements in August and would hopefully be finished by
November. They had far fewer onerous restrictions or tools to force the
release of that building. They did have a $250,000 letter of credit which they
were able to hold over to motivate leasing of the building. In reality, most
r..,, property owners want to lease their buildings and were not fond of having
large real estate investments sitting idle. He felt the natural tendency to make
money from property and the various penalties, requirements and limitations
on the construction of the new building should be adequate to insure that the
City gets an acceptable replacement tenant which would not be a supermarket
and that the building is occupied in a timely manner. With the modified
conditions, staff recommended approval.
Chairperson Campbell asked if there were any questions for staff. There were
none. Chairperson Campbell indicated that the public hearing was still open
from the June 2, 1998 meeting and asked the applicant to address the
Commission.
MR. TIM BARTLETT, 73-382 Salt Cedar Street in Palm Desert, stated
that they appreciated the time the Commission gave them to go back
to the homeowners at Merano and discuss some of their concerns. He
noted that he made some statements at the last meeting about the
truck traffic and the number of trucks trips and he indicated that he was
mistaken about that. He now believed after discussions with American
Stores and other truck routing people that the truck traffic would be a
total of six of the larger trucks during a day period and 10 to 12 of the
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smaller trucks. That was more of a peak situation and obviously on
certain days they would have a lesser amount. He thought
Commissioner Fernandez would have knowledge of that and he
apologized for the previous misinformation. As mentioned by Mr. Drell,
they agreed to do the truck tunnel. They concurred with staff that
expecting truck drivers to turn off refrigeration units, especially on hot
days, would not be a legitimate condition to try and uphold and they
have agreed to do a truck tunnel. He believed that the commission had
those drawings in their packets and he also brought one. He noted that
Mr. Drell mentioned that they learned something from Deep Canyon and
they wrapped the tunnel around the back side of the building so that
any sound generated within the tunnel, instead of going out both ends,
would kind of go toward Country Club where the traffic noise was
generated. They wrapped it around both corners. He thought they
resolved the truck access and delivery circulation pattern to
Commission's acceptance, and at least to the acceptance of the Merano
homeowners. He said they had a meeting with the Merano residents
and felt it went fairly well. There was a group of about four people
(that have now amassed into a larger number) that feel that access onto
Via Scena would deter their ability to get in and out of their existing
development. The residents actually proposed that they put in a wall
along Via Scena, move the signal over to the first drive aisle, relocate
the exit out of the existing Lucky center to the other side of the
Octagonal building, and basically keep all the commercial traffic off of
Via Scena. They approached Public Works with that idea and they were
informed that their first desire for a signal was over at the Sagewood
exit and that on a second fall back position they felt this plan, the
original plan of having a signal crossing the existing exit out of the
existing Lucky and at the entrance, made a great deal of sense. Mr.
Bartlett said he remembered at least two of the current Planning
Commissioners were present when the Merano project was approved
four years ago. When they came in with that project, they came in with
an Albertson's shopping center and Merano homes together as one
project and at that time it was planned that Via Scena would be a
common road to serve both the commercial and residential
development. Mr. Bartlett used the overhead projector to show the
Commission what he described as two views. One was as entering Via
Scena into Merano. The driveway entrance into Merano at the corner
of Country Club was 24 feet wide, two lanes, and then a third lane was
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added for a left turn pocket which was designed to accommodate
commercial traffic and at that point it was 36 feet wide and three lanes.
He showed where it went into the commercial development and
explained that right after exiting the gate at Merano there was an
existing curb cut that they passed by on a daily basis and at that point
it was 24 feet in width and as they get down to Country Club it became
another 36-foot width. The City's traffic engineer and Public Works
Department believed that the traffic generated from this development
would not, either by ingress or egress, impact the 120 people coming
or going from Merano. In fact, he asked several of the Merano residents
who shop at Lucky how many cars were in front of them when they
had to exit to get across. The response he received from most people,
and he asked anyone to tell him if he was wrong, was at most they
waited for two or three cars. (Several people from the audience
indicated that was wrong.) He asked the audience how many cars
maximum. The consensus seemed to be that nine cars backed up into
the existing center. Mr. Bartlett felt that the backup was partially
caused by people trying to turn left on Country Club to get back onto
�... Monterey. When traffic backs up at that existing location it was
generally because there wasn't a signal there and they were waiting for
traffic to break between signals. He believed when a signal is installed
there, and that Public Works would concur, that it would control the
traffic exiting so that they could make a safe left turn and it would
control the Merano traffic heading eastbound with a safe left turn and
would also accommodate the commercial traffic. As mitigation and
requests from the homeowners, they eliminated the ingress into the
center by providing a kind of pork chop configuration. He said they
were planning to extend the median so that it would be physically
impossible to make the turn and get back into the center. From an
egress standpoint, Mr. Bartlett felt they have agreed to every reasonable
request made and that one they could not agree with. Quite simply,
any traffic coming from the east had to get back there and the only way
to do that would be to either come out and try to do a U-turn which
was probably not a good place, or to go up around Frank Sinatra and
come down Portola which didn't make a great deal of sense. The
bottom line was they didn't believe there was enough traffic heading
eastbound during a peak period that would generate a problem. He
guessed that most turn right and there would be two lane widths, 24
feet, at their exit at the gate that would continue all the way down to
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Country Club. Even if eight or ten cars were stacked up through this
whole median, it would still provide one continuous lane down to
Country Club because there were three lanes at the entrance. Even if
one lane was continuously stacked all the way up and one lane was
blocked, they would still have one lane to get out. He stated that they
were at an impasse on that issue. They agreed to the tunnel, agreed to
about 30 other conditions that they felt alleviated the concerns and the
Commission had before them a petition from a great number of people
that signed it that they didn't want any truck traffic on Via Scena. He
stated that one thing they didn't do when they first met with the
Merano homeowners was they didn't wait for the meeting noticing of
residents within the 300-foot radius. They went right to the whole
homeowners' group to meet with the residents directly to explain what
they were proposing. They continuously met with the residents that
wanted to meet with them and he posted a sign right on the corner with
his phone number and indicated he was easy to find. He said he
actually had a chance to go to some of their homes and meet with them
on a personal basis and have met in a group situation. He compared
this project with Deep Canyon. Deep Canyon was a change of zone ..r
and it was basically a similar shopping center deal. The Hidden Palms
residences backed up to the Lucky center and he thought they might
remember that at the Hidden Palms hearings they had 26 very upset
homeowners at Hidden Palms and at Council there were another six or
eight people. Today, and he asked staff to correct him if he was
wrong, he didn't believe there was one person who lives there that had
a problem. He heard there was one gentleman who sits out on a bench
out front and counts the trucks that come down Deep Canyon, but from
his knowledge from talking with some of the homeowners and biggest
opponents of that development, when all was said and done a lot of
them enjoy it. They don't have to get into their cars to get a cup of
coffee or a gallon of milk. Although everyone hates growth and
everyone hates shopping centers, a lot of times people find out that
they are actually a nice amenity to have. Mr. Bartlett said he considered
this project very similar to Deep Canyon in a couple of different
scenarios. Deep Canyon was not a major arterial and Monterey and
Country Club is and it is the third busiest intersection in the city and
these people were noticed. He showed the notice that was signed by
all the original homeowners. There was also a statement in the CC&R's
that became part of the property (which unfortunately most people
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didn't usually read and there was a lot of fine print) but this in particular
was a buyer awareness information statement and in his opinion did a
fairly nice job of discussing what was being planned there. Under
"adjacent shopping center site" the section he highlighted in particular
mentioned that the planned shopping center would likely create
additional vehicular traffic, noise, light and similar impacts normally
associated with the construction/operation of a shopping center. He
also pointed out under "other adjacent property" that neither the
homeowners association nor anyone else owned the property outside
the gates in the areas such as Via Scena, Country Club and Monterey.
It also made further reference to views. Although this project was very
similar to Deep Canyon, the Merano homeowners were noticed
originally. This 40-acre development was brought to the commission
originally as one development. Council turned down the commercial
element but Merano was approved as proposed. They didn't come to
the homeowners and hang the proposal over their heads. They came
to them and asked what they could do to meet the concerns and he felt
they have done a fairly good job. Most of the people tonight might not
think so and opponents were generally more vocal than proponents, but
he would let them speak for themselves. He said he would leave a site
plan of Merano up on display and if the residents liked, they could point
out where they live in relationship to the shopping center. He felt they
made every attempt to win the Merano residents' favor and one of the
commissioners at the last meeting mentioned that there probably wasn't
a use on the planet that would make everyone happy. One of the things
he felt they needed to focus on was that Lucky wasn't doing this to
make their patrons unhappy. Palm Desert was growing and he
identified the commercial areas on the current zoning map. What was
interesting was that neighborhood commercial centers which typically
included a market, drug store, video store and the normal uses
associated with neighborhood type uses, were placed in neighborhoods
to serve the neighborhood. If all commercial use was on Highway 1 1 1
and someone had to go out in the middle of the night to get a gallon of
milk they would have to get in their car and drive all the way down to
Highway 111 to get it. The idea was to keep non-regional uses
(commercial neighborhood uses) in the neighborhoods. Looking at his
map, there was a Von's at El Paseo, a Lucky at Deep Canyon, and he
explained that markets generally service a three-mile radius. There was
an existing Lucky at Monterey and Country Club and an existing Ralph's
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at Cook and Country Club. They serve the radius around them. Lucky's
basically wanted to move for a number of reasons. The existing center
has poor access, poor circulation, poor parking, and didn't have room
for them to expand to meet the needs of the modern patrons. A lot of
their business went to Ralph's. When Mr. Bartlett met with the
Sagewood homeowners when he was proposing the Albertson's four
years ago, some of the Sagewood owners said they go past Lucky's
down to Ralph's because Ralph's was nicer, newer, bigger, had better
parking, easy access, and they could get in and out. Some of the
people at Monterey Country Club also said the same thing. They would
go down Monterey, turn on Country Club, go right by Lucky to Ralph's
because they can get in, get out, park and it wasn't a big problem.
Lucky wanted to serve not only existing residences but also new
residences. He showed projects that were being proposed 1200 units
at Marriott (and he said timeshare users do buy groceries), 310
timeshare units at Intrawest, 486 on the McBail piece (and that was
under contract and ready to start building), 240 units at the southwest
corner of Monterey and Country Club, 220 units in the Hovley area and
U.S. Homes was planning another 24 units. The ones he highlighted on
the map totaled more than 2,000 homes. That was 2,000+ shoppers
with 2-4 shoppers per home. Not all of them would go to Lucky.
Basically there were 2,000 homes being planned in the immediate one
mile vicinity. There were additional units planned in the Eagle project
and that might take some time to happen, and what would happen in
the north part of Rancho Mirage had been rather slow, so he wasn't
counting that, but if it was counted there were nearly 5,000 homes
being built in that area. Bottom line was that they would not only serve
the existing customers but wanted to prepare for the customers that
would be coming into the market trade area. Over 2,000 homes would
mean a lot of business. As some existing homeowners do, if they had
to go past Lucky to go to another store, they would create more traffic
and that was why neighborhood centers were located on high traffic
corners. The idea was that if someone was going to go out and get a
gallon of milk they wouldn't have to drive four miles creating traffic just
to get a gallon of milk. They could go to their neighborhood center,
grab it and go home. He said they designed the corner as a commercial
center and were providing two left-hand turn pocket lanes, a third right
turn lane and on the Rancho Mirage side the property owner had the
property under contract and made an agreement with the City of
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Rancho Mirage to duplicate that scenario. They would basically improve
the intersection (which their traffic engineer said was a level "F" and
the Marriott traffic engineer said was a "D") into a "C" level or better.
He felt they were not only saving traffic that is driving by Lucky right
now to get to a center where they can park and feel safe getting in and
out of, but were accommodating the future growth of traffic. They
were doing this to not only accommodate existing patrons but the
growth of the area. With the 2,000 new homes coming in the future,
they would need the basic necessities and Lucky would like to provide
for their food necessity. He asked if the Commission had any
questions.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anything had taken place for the existing Lucky
center.
Mr. Bartlett replied no. He explained there was a triple fold situation.
It was difficult to lease a vacant building (and as Mr. Drell explained it
took quite some time to secure Office Max) but more importantly it was
difficult to lease something that isn't vacant, nor had any definite time
frame for being vacant, nor definite economic impact. He commented
that economic impacts shouldn't be part of the Planning Commission
decision, but it was difficult to go to a tenant and ask if they would
move into the existing Lucky site maybe in the next three or five or
seven years and maybe they could rent it to them for "x" amount,
maybe if they get approval. That has been their problem. They have
a very strict condition that says they can't vacate that store until they
hand a lease to the City that is acceptable and acceptable to Sagewood.
Mr. Carver was concerned that the condition wouldn't be upheld, but
he felt that staff has looked at it every way. There was no loop hole
that they could sneak out of. They couldn't get a building permit for
the new building until they delivered the City a lease and they couldn't
move into that new building with a Certificate of Occupancy until they
showed proof that they would not only go forward with a particular
tenant, but do the tenant improvements, and they had substantial
money they had to put up to prove that. To answer the question
directly, no, they hadn't found a replacement tenant and part of the
problem was they didn't know when, how or how much. That was a
sincere problem.
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Chairperson Campbell asked about the letter of credit that would involve the
tenant improvements of the replacement tenant and upgrades to Plaza de
Monterey. She asked if they were in agreement with that condition and what
"upgrading" Plaza de Monterey meant to Mr. Bartlett.
Mr. Bartlett said it was difficult for them to be responsible for someone
else's property or to even upgrade someone else's property. What they
have discussed with Planning staff was that they would try to upgrade
their land in front of Lucky. Lucky owns their parcel and a
proportionate share of the parking. They would try to bring that parking
area up to the current Palm Desert standards. Just that area and not
the whole center since they didn't own the whole center and didn't
control the whole center. They wanted to encourage the owner of that
center, and he understood that Mr. Carver sold the center and there
was a new owner of the center, they wanted to encourage them to join
them, clean it up, re-landscape it and bring it up to Palm Desert
standards. They would want to work with them in that regard.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or old
OPPOSITION to the proposal.
MS. STACIE WHITFORD, 164 Via Tramonto, said she was not speaking
for a group, and she was the one sole homeowner on the board, but she
was just speaking for herself and for a few other people. She said they
were in favor of the project because they knew it was inevitable that
the project would go commercial and she owned Lot 21 . She explained
that she was the one who called the meeting and she wanted to let the
Commission know that she called the meeting of homeowners as the
board member and did invite the builder and developer to come in and
answer any questions. When the meeting was over, she felt that
except for the issue of Via Scena all the issues that the homeowners
had raised were taken care of at that time. When they left the meeting
it was agreed upon that the only issue that seemed to still be a problem
was the issue of Via Scena. She was personally in support of the
project and knew that there were others that weren't. She wanted to
speak for herself and a few homeowners that weren't at the meeting.
Ms. Whitford clarified that she didn't have a problem with Via Scena
being an egress only.
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MR. GILBERT BOND, 182 Via San Nicolo, Lot 12, stated that it was his
honor to present a petition signed by 56 Merano homeowners
representing 45 separate homes. He indicated that the Commission had
a copy of the petition and read, "We, the undersigned, hereby declare
that our support of the proposed Lucky store shopping center, despite
any earlier individual assents, is conditional upon acceptance of the
following amendment: Via Scena will continue to be used for purposes
of ingress and egress for Merano only. F & M Associates will separate
Via Scena from the shopping center with a high block wall." He said
that was the end of the petition and was signed by 56 Merano
homeowners representing 45 separate homes which he believed was
more than half of them that are occupied. He said that this morning
one of the residents that signed that petition called him requesting that
her name be removed from the petition. She had talked to someone
who claimed that Mr. Bond was going to pull some kind of trick tonight
to kill the shopping center entirely. He read his prepared remarks for
this meeting to her and she reaffirmed her faith in the petition so he has
no dissenters that he knew of. This petition didn't say that they are
against the shopping center. They simply want F & M to agree not to
use Via Scena. Mr. Bond also explained that until the Merano project
is completely built the Board of Directors is controlled by the builder.
This fact discouraged attendance in special shopping center meetings
dominated by Diamond West and F & M Associates. His conversation
with Merano residents suggested that they did not want any
commercial development to use Via Scena in any way. Therefore, at
the meeting on June 17 he tried hard to persuade Richard Frandsen and
Mike Mahoney to eliminate the right turn exit on Via Scena from the
shopping center plan. Those in attendance would recall Mr. Bond
saying that he believed that F & M's problems would be over if they
agreed not to use Via Scena. At one point in the meeting Richard
Frandsen said, and Mr. Bond said he was paraphrasing, "I have already
committed an additional $300,000 to please some of you and if you
people continue to be unreasonable I'll ram it through without you."
The very next day Mr. Bond said he started this petition. The purpose
was not to kill the project and didn't say they were against it, it was
just to let them know the will of the homeowners. They want their
homes to maintain their value. He urged the members of the Planning
Commission not to rush any approval of F & M's proposal. If F & M
Associates did not accept the majority will of Merano homeowners,
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then their next step would be to try and make Via Scena a private
street. Yesterday he sought guidance from Palm Desert City Hall as to
the procedure for attempting this. As he understood the discussion, the
usual procedure is for the homeowners Board of Directors to pass a
resolution and send it to the proper City officials. But their present
board was not elected by the homeowners. There was considerable
doubt that the Merano board would go along. Until those issues were
settled, he pleaded with commission not to approve the F & M project.
He said that in Merano, they were not dealing with a low end gated
community. The average investment by the homeowners was more
than $200,000. A great many homes had pools with expensive
landscaping and Merano was there before F & M's proposal. They
asked that the shopping center be kept separate from Merano including
the main entrance on Country Club and he felt it could be re-engineered
to do that. This would continue the Palm Desert tradition of not
mingling a high quality entrance to a high quality gated community with
a shopping center. He thanked commission for the opportunity to
present the first majority view of Merano homeowners by petition on
the subject of the proposed new Lucky store shopping center.
MR. MICHAEL CARLE, potential homeowner in escrow for Lot No. 11 ,
stated that he was on the front lines of the proposed commercial site
that Mr. Bartlett and American Stores wanted to put in on the corner.
He said he has had some sleepless nights over the decision to purchase
the property in Merano even at this present time. He had come to the
conclusion that his decision to purchase his property was based on the
decision of the Planning Commission to approve the project Mr. Bartlett
and his people have--the proposed Lucky store. He felt that Mr. Bartlett
and American Stores have come in and added a great deal of money to
this project to buffer not only his home but the existing 12 homes being
built there. He wanted Commission to know that he is a Diamond West
Homes employee and is the real estate agent selling those properties.
He chose Lot 11 for the fact that when he met with Mr. Bartlett and
American Stores and saw their proposal, they had guaranteed them they
would put in the berm, that they would buffer the Merano property, and
they would be buffered away from that center for noise and any other
considerations he had. At that time he thought, yeah, he would i
purchase that property. He was still purchasing that property but he
was very concerned that if they don't get American Stores or the Lucky
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center in there and another commercial developer comes down the road
later, he didn't know what would happen to his property value. There
were other homeowners that spoke tonight and he had a map that
showed where those homeowners lived that were opposing the project.
He couldn't understand the homeowners that were not even on the
front lines of this center pushing the developer. He personally felt that
Mr. Bartlett and American Stores had done everything they could to
please the Merano residents and Diamond West Homes. Diamond West
Homes wanted and needed this development to be satisfactory to their
residents. He said it was a great concern to him because the proposal
would be an asset to their community and wouldn't be what they see
across the street. It would be a beautiful center and they would have
a buffer zone with lighted palm trees, the shrubbery and the berm. He
asked how much more Merano residents could ask for other than to
have a commercial development like the one Mr. Bartlett and his people
were proposing and add the dollar value they were adding to their
project to appease the Merano residents. He was not only speaking for
himself, but there was one other person in the audience, Joy Lovingfoss
of Lot 13. Mr. Carle and Ms. Lovingfoss had discussions about this and
he told her if American Stores didn't go in there they didn't know what
would come along. Who knew what the next commercial developer
would offer them. Where did that leave them? They had to speak for
the other remaining future homeowners that would be there. He was
selling lots 1 through 12 with the benefit of Lucky being on the corner
because he needed to at least sell it in a way that he has concrete
evidence that Merano would be buffered by Lucky through this berm,
through the tunnel, and being able to sell that to the potential
homeowners and allowing them to know they would be buffered from
them. If they didn't get the Lucky store, he wouldn't be able to tell
people what would be on the corner. In his mind the known was better
than the unknown. He really wanted to encourage the Planning
Commission to approve this project. He felt it would be a beautiful
project and an asset to Merano and the community. As he stated at the
last meeting, he loved Merano and he wouldn't be there selling homes
if he didn't and he certainly wouldn't be buying a home there if he
didn't. Gil Bond stated that they were an upper end community and he
agreed. They have homes in excess of $200,000 but they were not
getting a strip mall, an ARCO gas station and McDonald's restaurant on
the corner. They were getting an upscale new Lucky store, a Sav-On
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Pharmacy on the corner and he thought a lot of the residents in Merano
were up in age. Some were in the higher age bracket and not his age
of 35. Most were of retired age. They wanted to be able to have the
opportunity to be able to walk to the store and get their groceries as
they get to the point where they can't drive a car any longer. A lot of
them wouldn't shop at the Lucky store by Sagewood because they
couldn't cross Country Club because there wasn't a light there. They
have a handful of homeowners and he could point out the instigators
behind this whole thing that are opposing this and going around the
neighborhood telling everyone this, that and everything else under the
sun and they didn't have their facts straight. They have not really
looked at what added benefit this could be for the community. It was
very upsetting to him and he very much resented that. He asked
Commission to take into consideration his property, Lot No. 11 which
is in escrow, and he has 11 other homes that are up for sale that he is
trying to sell there for Diamond West Homes and he needed to be able
to sell those homes with the benefit of Lucky and knowing what he was
telling his potential home buyers. He has told potential home buyers all
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along that Lucky would go in there, there would be a berm and they
would be buffered from this store. He didn't know what else to say
except how that would affect those sales of those 11 homes there. He
wanted to have neighbors there and didn't want to be the only one
there for the next year trying to sell properties. He thought with the
Lucky store they would be able to sell the benefits of the Lucky market,
the Sav-On Pharmacy, they had a community that is of retired age, and
they would have the benefit. As Mr. Bartlett said earlier, the residents
behind Deep Canyon/Highway 1 1 1 Lucky store are now glad that the
store is there. He felt that Mr. Bartlett and his people have bent over
backwards for Merano residents to appease what they want and to
buffer them away from the center. He encouraged the Commission to
approve this project. He thanked the Commission for their time.
MS. VIRGINIA BRIDGE, 272 Strata Nova, Lot 18 at the very end, stated
that she was very much in favor of the project. The developer gave
them all of the information when they bought their home. She was
pleased with the proposed development of Lucky and she hoped that
this could be approved this evening. She thanked the Commission.
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MR. WALTER RAPPAPORT stated that he doesn't own a home there
nor would he buy a home there now. He said he was a merchant and
owned three stores in the present shopping center (Papa Dan's,
Michael's, and the beauty supply store). When he opened up the
beauty supply store (and he has opened many of them over the past 44
years) he always opened up where there was an anchor store which
was a food store because that was good for his business. Now they
wanted to take it away. He didn't care what they said, once they put
development in front of homes where there is a shopping center and
where trucks were going in and out, the home values went down. He
didn't believe that any of the commissioners would buy a home there.
He said it might look pretty, but if they wanted to do something and
change the zoning, they could put in a medical and office building there.
He felt that was needed more than a larger food center. He heard the
food centers were doing well and thought that Lucky's was doing
phenomenally and was one of the busiest in town right now. Ralph's
wasn't doing as well yet since there weren't enough people, but there
would be eventually. That would take time. Timeshare patrons would
shop in some of the markets. In their center right now parking was not
bad. It wasn't the greatest but it wasn't bad and there was still plenty
of parking in the back. He felt that people are lazy and wanted to park
near the opening of the center. If they wanted to go into the back there
was plenty of parking. What he didn't understand was that everyone
was thinking home, home, home. The minute they put in a traffic light
(and he wasn't saying it was a bad idea and they talked about nine cars
without a light) but he felt the cars would be backed up to his store.
He asked how many of the commissioners had been in that center and
parked in there. He thought it would be very dangerous in there if cars
started backing up and there would be a lot of accidents. Even though
it wasn't in Palm Desert he pointed out that at one point in time Von's
Pavilion wanted to move out of the area because there wasn't enough
business and they knew there was growth coming in and on Frank
Sinatra alone there were enough homes going in with Kaufman and
Broad yet they still wanted to move out. Here they wanted a larger
center and who knew what would replace it. He asked where the
protection was for the store owners and merchants. He felt that if any
of the commissioners had a store there they might be a little nervous.
His store right now had a great reputation so that if the Lucky center
did move across he would probably do more business because more
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people would be seeing the store. He was still not concerned about
that. He just thought that Lucky's right now served the community.
Ralph's was still trying to serve the community even though it was a
newer store and was still not busy. Now they were looking down the
road to the future. He asked when down the road was and said he
heard Mr. Bartlett say that Country Club and Monterey was the third
busiest intersection in Palm Desert. He felt Mr. Bartlett was trying to
make it the second or the first. He was not familiar with the streets,
but if they were coming up Country Club and going into the shopping
center through the area where the homeowners live, it would be a
mess. He asked where they would come out, on Monterey or Country
Club or both. Again, he thought that was a mess. If he lived in there,
he didn't care what anyone was saying, there would be a lot of trucks
going in and out. He didn't think it behooved the Planning Commission
at this point in time to make a larger shopping center in that area and
he was telling them he thought it would help his business. Papa Dan's,
the beauty salon and the beauty supply he owns, but he still felt it
would be wrong. It would develop in time. Office buildings and
medical buildings were needed because there were a lot of old people
in town. If he said anything that seemed "off color" and he said he was
not speaking on behalf of homeowners and he indicated he lives in the
Panorama section of Cathedral City which was building, but he was
thinking of moving in across the street and he would not do it now.
Property values would go down when a shopping center moved in front
of residential. It wouldn't do well. At this point in time he felt it would
behoove the Planning Commission to set it aside and wait awhile and
maybe one of the realtors or builders or whoever it was might find an
office and medical center that would be attractive and do a nice job and
that could be put in there. He asked if any of the commissioners had
checked the Ralph's market to see how busy there are--he said they
weren't. He noted again the Von's Pavilion and how busy they weren't.
They were waiting for homes to be built and then sold. Lucky's was
busy so he asked why were they talking about growth five, six or seven
years from now. He thought there would be a major problem traffic
wise and that there would be a lot of accidents occurring in that area.
As far as the light, maybe a 30-second light would be okay if they felt
that was important for the people that live there to come across, but he F
has gone out of that section many ways, both Monterey and Country
Club, and he has had to wait whether going right or left. There were
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two ways to go, he could go left or right and there were two lanes for
that so there was really never too much of a problem but it was backed
up a little. A light would back it up a lot more.
MS. JAN GOLD, Lot No. 19 in Merano Homes, said this has got her a
little upset. Going back to the CC&R's that were pointed out, they
mentioned a shopping center. A shopping center could be anything. It
could be something like Marshall's. No matter what the people do who
have food and serve food, even if the proprietor's keep it perfect, they
couldn't control people in cars who drop their Pepsi colas down or
throw out a jelly donut or that type of thing that goes on continuously.
One of the things that was upsetting her more than anything else was
the almost threatening attitude that if they didn't take them, they didn't
know what they would get and they might get something much worse.
That was what had been pounded into people. This was the thing
which really upset her. One other example of something that bothered
her a great deal was that she has been here almost two years and they
never had the Lucky's open 24 hours a day. All of a sudden in the last
... couple of months without any business during the middle of the night
they decided to stay open for 24 hours. She brought this up at the last
meeting that it concerned her because she felt it could be creating
crime, etc., by having it open. They replied that they didn't plan to
keep it open, however that would be up to Lucky's and if Lucky's
wanted to keep it open 24 hours, they could always go to the City
Council later and change it, but they didn't want that sort of thing. Her
feeling was that this was done to set a precedent, and she
acknowledged that this might be strictly her imagination at work, to
have it open 24 hours a day now so they could do it later. In that case
she felt they could have tremendous problems with crime. Again, she
felt that in her mind there was no comparison with Deep Canyon
because Deep Canyon didn't have a second major business and they,
in a much, much busier area, were considering having a second major
business there. As the gentleman who spoke before her mentioned,
something that would be very good would be some type of medical use
or skilled nursing facility like Manor Care. They were closer to
Eisenhower and she felt it must be desirable for that because there was
very little land left from Eisenhower to here. She felt there were many
other things that could be put there that would be much more desirable.
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MR. STEVE FLEISHMAN, a merchant in the existing Lucky center,
stated that the back end of his business was in the lot area where
Lucky's currently moves all of their 18 wheel trucks as well as all the
subcontractors that move their food. He greatly recommended a traffic
study to make them fully aware of how many vehicles were currently
there now and then take into account the proposed increase in business
over time. With the ingress and egress that was there now (there were
two off of Country Club, one off of Monterey and then there was an
alley in back of Lucky's) and all of them were used consistently. Big
trucks, big 18 wheels, and big Ford vans meant a lot of ingress and
egress. He noted that the one ingress and egress on this new proposal
was off of Monterey only. Again, he asked them to do more research
about the ingress and egress because he had a very difficult time with
his little Toyota van getting in and out of his parking area in back of his
store because of all of the subcontractors, merchants and Lucky trucks
that were in there all the time. He thanked the commission.
MR. TOM CYANI, a resident of Regency Palms and a merchant at the
Palms to Pines shopping center, the Monterey Plaza shopping center
and Desert Dunes shopping center, said he thought that at one time this
Lucky's was the busiest Lucky of their food chain. In the 1980's they
did more business than any other Lucky's. In the 1990's their business
is down and they think they will grow for the future. Any future growth
they think they will have in the future they could be handled again in the
same location because they did it in the 1980's. If commission
remembered a couple of years ago, they had this same hearing where
Wal-Mart wanted to put up a nicer shopping center even before the
homes were built. The City of Rancho Mirage was here and they
expressed their concern that they would have to rezone their lots from
residential to commercial because that would devalue their residential
lots. That meant they could put another shopping center in Rancho
Mirage right across the street. If Lucky's thought they were going to
have a new customer clientele growth, they might have a new
competitor right across the street because there was nothing to stop
Rancho Mirage from doing the same thing and they would have a lot
more traffic and it would be more congested. That was something they
should consider. At that time there was a meeting during the winter
months when there are more people in town. This place had standing
room only. Having a meeting in July there were a lot of people that
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would have been here after school was back in session and after
vacations were over with that would be opposed to this project. He
was opposed to it because they have enough shopping centers in town
and the market share was diluted every time a new shopping center
went in. He has three dry-cleaning establishments and it was hard
enough to stay in business, pay the rent, put up with the slow summer
season, and see more shopping centers continue to open. If this
continued, he might as well close down his operations and move out of
state because there were too many shopping centers in this town. As
a merchant he had to worry about paying his rent, paying his mortgage
and they didn't need any more shopping centers. Secondly, in the last
meeting they had here, there was a target, an Albertson's and Wal-
Mart. He didn't know if all the commissioners were at those meetings,
but it seemed to him there were a lot of people that would be opposed
to this. He felt they should hold off on this and maybe have another
meeting about this after the summer was over with. He thanked
commission for their attention.
.w MR. DICK BAXLEY, 38-395 Nasturtium in Palm Desert, stated that he
was speaking on behalf of Mr. William Shernoff who owns property
across the street in Rancho Mirage just slightly north of Country Club
immediately across the street from this property. Mr. Shernoff was out
of town and was not able to attend and asked Mr. Baxley to speak on
his behalf. Mr. Baxley stated that Mr. Shernoff was extremely
concerned about the impact of a commercial development at this
location on the values of the fairly large estates in the Rancho Mirage
area, specifically his, and when he bought that in the 1980's all of this
property was zoned residential and it was a major consideration for him
when he made his acquisition. Mr. Baxley stated that he represented
Mr. Shernoff in that acquisition and they searched all of the zoning to
make sure that everything would be residential, and it was. Mr.
Shernoff was also concerned about the traffic, the noise, and the smells
that can emanate from food facilities. Those were Mr. Shernoff's
concerns and he hoped the Planning Commission was able to even
handedly address the concerns of the residents, both in Palm Desert and
in Rancho Mirage, along with the need to have normal growth in our
commercial markets. He thanked commission for their time.
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MR. MARK KAPLAN, 152 Via Tramonto, Lot 23, informed commission
that he agreed with Mr. Bond. The use of Via Scena as an egress from
the proposed shopping center as well as the main entrance to Merano
was likely to have a detrimental effect on the values of property, the
aesthetic appeal and the ease of egress and entrance to the center.
More so than that he represented a number of other homeowners who
feel that the traffic in the area was of such concern to make this an
inappropriate use for this proposed shopping center. As commission
was told this evening by Mr. Bartlett and as they were aware this
intersection is the third busiest within Palm Desert. To place a second
commercial center directly opposite the existing Plaza de Monterey,
both centers of which were likely to be high volume traffic centers,
would serve to focus even more traffic at this location. If this area was
to go commercial, which was likely in the future and he accepted that,
a center that does not have as high a traffic volume would better serve
the community. Something such as Mrs. Gold suggested, an extended
care facility, professional offices, medical facilities or something of that
nature. He wanted to point out specific problems with the traffic in this
area and the use of Via Scena. All traffic from the proposed center
intending to head eastbound on Country Club would have to use the Via
Scena egress. In addition, all traffic from the center wishing to go
southbound on Monterey would have to leave the shopping center in
two locations only in the southeast corner of the shopping center. For
right turns onto Monterey Avenue north was a protected right and the
exit further down the street leaving toward Monterey and southbound
would be impossible. Traffic heading in three out of four directions
would have to exit the center from points near that southeast corner.
In meeting with Mr. Bartlett they were also told that the gate at Merano
currently exiting onto Monterey opposite Lot 20 was currently both a
left and right turn exit. With future development there was a median
planned that would restrict left turns. That would mean all traffic
leaving Merano except those heading northbound on Monterey would
also have to use the Via Scena exit. This would further magnify the
problem. He said he delivered a letter today that he composed with 27
signatures of homeowners that were opposing the approval of this
project primarily because of traffic concerns and the focusing of traffic
that this high volume traffic center would cause in the area. In their
opinion the proposed shopping center would be an inappropriate use for
this site and it would be more prudent to wait for a proposal that would
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be far less intrusive on and more compatible with the residential
community which is immediately adjacent to the site. It seemed to him
that Lucky's could contribute to the community by either further
developing its existing site or perhaps looking at other commercial sites
that would diffuse traffic from this one local rather than add to it. He
thanked commission. He noted that he had the original letter with
additional signatures as opposed to the photocopy he provided staff
with earlier. He presented it to Chairperson Campbell.
MR. RICHARD FRANDSEN, 77-043 Iroquois Drive in Indian Wells,
stated that he was the developer proposing to try and develop this
property. He wanted to speak for two reasons. One was to vehemently
deny the accusations that he said he was going to shove this project
down someone's throat in this city. He was sure that the commission
knew this couldn't be done and that someone as experienced as himself
in developing shopping centers would never say something like that.
That was why he was here. Secondly, as this project continues there
would be more papers brought to the commission opposing or agreeing
to the development. The longer this goes on petitions get circulated
and neighbors don't want to argue with neighbors and if someone is
very vocal and upset about something and talks to the neighbors and
those neighbors have no particular opinion one way or the other they
will sign it just so they don't have a problem with their neighbors.
Whether all of these people vehemently oppose it he didn't know but
they have certainly done everything in their power as far as they could
see to negate any concerns anyone had and he was here to say that he
never, ever said he would shove anything down anyone's throat. He
thanked the commission.
MR. BILL CARVER, 72-955 Deergrass in Palm Desert, said he wanted
to put a little different slant on what the commission has heard. He has
been down here a number of years and what he noticed about the
Coachella Valley, which is a very young area, is that they seemed to
have a problem with what is happening after 20 years. They were
starting to have older properties. When they were brand new,
everything was brand new with a fresh look. When they have a
situation where they have significant amounts of vacant land and priced
at figures that make the entry fairly simple, it was a normal situation to
have retailers wanting to step up and put a new market in or new
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locations. What was happening was that the older properties, the
properties that have been here for a while, were suffering because they
were zoning way too much property that could be used for commercial
uses. He thought they really needed to think hard about the right thing
to do. That thinking had been done through the General Plan. The
General Plan is the road map of how they should be developing the Palm
Desert area. As the residential activity takes place as stated by Mr.
Bartlett, he felt there were other locations throughout the north sphere
that were already zoned for commercial uses that perhaps weren't ready
now, but would be ready in the near future. He thought it would be
best if they would consider the total picture, about the whole of Palm
Desert, and think about what they are doing with respect to the
properties that are left behind. They needed to be somewhat
protective, not necessarily protective in terms of down zoning and that
kind of thing, but living up to the plan that was worked on for many
months in the past. He really felt that they would be making a kind of
secondary type of commercial development of Plaza de Monterey if they
permitted this center to locate across the street. It would become a
lesser development than it is now and he thought they had the ability •.
now to prevent that from happening. He thanked the commission.
MR. BOB MAYER, No. 4 Primrose in the Morningside development in
Rancho Mirage, stated that about two years ago he was the owner of
this particular property and was still the owner of the property, but he
wanted to bring to the commission's attention that less than two years
ago Mr. Carver, who just stood at this podium, was under contract with
him to buy that particular property from him to build exactly what is
being proposed there today, however it was an Albertson's store, not
a Lucky's. He took strong objection to the fact that Mr. Carver would
come here at this point and try to tear something apart that he was an
absolute part of and thought it was a wonderful center just two years
ago. He thought it was probably because of the fact that it was Mr.
Carver's Lucky store that was being impacted, if it was ever impacted
because there would be a substitute of some kind there and the
commission had the power to define what that would be, but he took
very strong objection to Mr. Carver taking the stance he has taken. He
thanked commission for their time.
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Mr. Rappaport readdressed the commission and said that he listened to
Mr. Carver and the other gentleman and he said people were allowed to
change their minds. For whatever reason, Mr. Carver didn't own the
present Lucky property any more from what he understood. He asked
each commissioner tonight to make believe they were a homeowner
there and think whether they would want to be there. As a merchant
he didn't know what would be across the street. He knew there would
be a Lucky and a Sav-On, but he didn't know what else would be there
or what would be on the Rancho Mirage side because they might get a
little angry at us and build something over there. He didn't think they
would like that either and then they would really have problems. He
asked the commission to put themselves in his place as a merchant in
that center knowing that Lucky does help the center and now they
would be gone and they would have an empty store or from what he
understood it had to be released first before they could do anything,
which could take years and he was watching Home Base at the other
end at Monterey and Dinah Shore and that will sit empty for years. He
asked them to put themselves in the place of merchants and
homeowners and asked if they would want seven people to decide their
fate as far as business and whether their homes were worth more or
less. In most cases it would be less.
MR. DARYL HOOVER, 18-831 Von Karman in Irvine, the President of
Diamond West Homes, stated that as the President of Diamond West
Homes, they bought the Merano property a little over a year ago and
they have continued to increase the value $10,000, $20,000 and
$30,000 per home for the homes they have sold since June of 1997.
They have sold those homes with the full knowledge and understanding
that this would be a commercial corner at some time and they felt that
was an advantage or they wouldn't be standing before commission
today, they would be out front with placards and lines of people not
supporting the project. They purchased the property but they have one
major concern. Via Scena, which they understood to be a public street
which it is today, but the traffic light (and they spent a lot of time in
their due diligence looking at that situation) each week when they get
a traffic report from the sales office they have on the traffic report any
comments or intersection concerns because it is very dangerous to
shoot out of Via Scena and go left across Country Club or shoot
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believed that a light there was of utmost importance for all of the
Merano residents. He said in the last three years they have sold 7,700
homes in three states. They are a home builder and when they bought
the property here they bought it from Mr. Mayer, who also owns the
commercial corner that is zoned residential now. He stated that
Diamond West has no financial interest in that corner whatsoever so all
their comments were strictly as a home builder that have 46 more
homes to close or to be built and sold in Merano. He has heard so
many numbers today that if they added all of the numbers that are on
every petition that he has heard (and he said everyone was entitled to
an opinion) but if they added up all the numbers it would come up to a
couple of hundred. He did some math and suggested that perhaps staff
could go through the names and numbers at a later time, but there
would be 126 total homes when the project is completely built out.
Forty-six (46) of those homes Diamond West owns either under
construction or soon to be built out. The majority of those homes,
including lots 1-12 which are in the final stages of construction that
immediately border the future commercial center and then the large cul-
de-sac area, would be built out with the four model homes plus another
14. In the rear of the property, some adjoining the golf course, there
were a number of homes back there which would be one of the final
phases built out. They own 46 homes. They could count them as 46
of 126 votes and one of the issues they have always had in the desert
communities was a very silent majority. There were a lot of second
homeowners who were not here and they were in quiet approval of the
project. They bought their homes understanding that it was probably
going to be a commercial use in the future and they think that is a great
advantage to their homeowners. He felt that the shopping center
developers made a big error early on. He thought the error was a
judgement in psychology and that was simply that they came to
Diamond West many months ago. As builders of 7,700 homes they
have built next to dozens of commercial centers and there were two
kinds of commercial developers, those they didn't want to be near and
those that have a real interest in the community and the adjacent
homeowners, and he said a sincere interest. He said with these
developers the error in judgement was that they came to Diamond West
early and offered them a real strategic plan early. Early meant they
didn't have 46 homes they owned but 60 or 70 homes. The error in
judgement was they very early suggested that in the retention basin
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they would share the cost of taking care of that because some of their
flood plain water went into that retention basin as does some of the
water from Country Club and Monterey and some of the water to the
very north off of the golf course which went into the retention basin to
the right of the entry. They said they would share in the expense of
that on a monthly basis, the changing of the flowers all up and down
the public street of Via Scena, the lights on the palm trees, and the
electricity. They added all of that up and it cost the Merano
homeowners about $1500 per month to maintain that and the
developers offered up early half of that amount, $750. Over a ten year
period that was a boon for the homeowners of $9,000 per year or
$90,000 over ten years that goes to their homeowners association. He
has never had a commercial developer offer up that kind of thing. Their
error in judgement was to offer it up very early along with putting up
the berm bordering lots 1-12. The nine-foot berm with landscaping
would literally block out the building completely, and the tunnel. They
have night lighted palm trees and they have agreed to border lots 1-12
and they would very much like the lighted palm trees at the entry.
,.., Those homeowners, he believed, would pay additional money to have
that kind of resort setting at night. He felt it would be a gorgeous view
at night and they were selling it as such. Those homes have just been
delivered and were ready for sale as of about two weeks ago. They
were under the final stages of construction right now. He asked the
Planning Commission to please consider the 46 homes they own, do the
math from 126, they could help check the registers and he thought
there were a lot of people signing a lot of things and it is a free country
and people are allowed their own opinion. They believed the traffic
signal was a key consideration for all Merano residents and it is a very
dangerous situation. The landscape plan for the center was the best he
has ever seen in commercial centers. He said his final comment was
when the center is built he could tell the commission where all 126
homeowners would go shopping for their groceries. He thanked
commission for their consideration.
MS. JILL LOVINGFOSS, 143 Via Tramonto, Lot 13, felt the project
would be great. The developers have gone out of their way to do what
they can to make it so they have something nice to look at. When they
were complaining about how they would lose the view of the mountains
they came and made sure that the berm wasn't too high so that in the
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backyards they could still see the mountains. She felt it would be great
and if it was going to be anything like the one at Deep Canyon, the
store was big, it was beautiful and the parking was gorgeous. The one
across the street from them now was awful. The store wasn't nice, the
parking is terrible, and the one on Deep Canyon was gorgeous. It was
like a Jensen's on the inside. Everything was perfect in it and there
was so much in it. In the existing one it didn't have much of a selection
and she felt that once the houses of the lots across the street from
Monterey sold in addition to the rest of the houses, they would need a
bigger store there. She thanked the commission.
Chairperson Campbell asked if Mr. Bartlett wished to offer rebuttal comments.
Mr. Bartlett stated that one of the things the homeowners were
concerned about, and rightfully so, were values of homes. He said he
was engaged by the City of Indian Wells to perform a study on how
affordable housing impacted adjacent properties. In that study he
performed a few days ago, that had nothing to do with this project, in
that study he looked at Hidden Palms and The Grove, which are very
close to the Deep Canyon Lucky. He said he just thought of this study
on the way to the meeting tonight. What the study showed was that
the values were not impacted and in fact went up after Lucky went in.
He wasn't claiming that it went up because Lucky went there. The
market did increase but it went up the same rate that the market went
up. He wasn't claiming that it added value to those homes at Hidden
Palms, but he was claiming that the study showed that it didn't
deteriorate values. He felt that a lot of their concerns were that this
would be a negative impact. If they talked to some of the owners at
Hidden Palms today, they believed that it was a positive impact. He
submitted his study for the record. Secondly, he indicated that traffic
was an issue with every project before the commission. He said that
simply stated traffic was people going somewhere in their cars.
Morning rush hour was generally people going to work, noon rush hour
was people going to lunch, and evening rush hour was people going
home from work. This intersection, and Mr. Bartlett was sure Public
Works would concur, was impacted mostly in the morning and evening
rush hour and during the noon hour. He noted that some residents
don't work for a living but do go out for lunch and do their shopping
around noon and those were the peak time periods. One of the
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conditions of the replacement tenant was that they find an off-peak
user. It had been suggested that a medical facility or office facility
would be better suited for this corner. Obviously they would generate
traffic, people that work there, from other areas and generally an office
development might pick up a larger area. People might come from Indio
or Palm Springs and they would come at the peak hours during the a.m.
rush hour, they would go out to lunch, and then leave during the
evening rush hour. Other alternatives to this development included
building more Merano homes. He believed if they continued the
identical development right down to the corner it would be safe to say
that the homes right on Monterey and Country Club would have to sell
at a reduced value. It didn't take a real estate expert to figure that out.
Obviously if they had homes selling for less it decreased values.
Another alternative was to build multifamily units and the property was
currently zoned PR-7, seven units to the acre. The zone allowed two
story development. He didn't expect someone would want to build a
high-end apartment complex. He didn't spread the rumor that they
were threatening that the choice was to take a low income rental unit,
`... but he had to believe that someone wouldn't build a high-end residential
complex on that corner since it is the third busiest corner, which is why
they want to be there. They want to cut the traffic off that is going
down to Ralph's or to Von's Pavilion. They want to take the people in
their neighborhood and market area and service their needs so they
don't have to drive three miles to the Von's which is located on Bob
Hope or to the Ralph's on Cook Street. There was also some mention
about traffic accidents. He felt that Public Works would concur that a
signal at that intersection was needed and there were numerous
accounts of people telling how it is to try and get out at Merano,
dashing across Country Club and Mr. Bartlett said he has done it
himself. There was no question that a traffic signal would solve a lot
of that problem and it could be timed with a short interval so there
wouldn't be a question of cars backed up into the center. He noted that
they heard from two merchants and he didn't hear from them say that
they were afraid of losing Lucky as the anchor. (Mr. Rappaport spoke
from the audience in disagreement.) Mr. Bartlett said he must have
misunderstood because he thought Mr. Rappaport said that his business
would do better if Lucky moved across the street. Mr. Bartlett also
stated that he has done some calculations and it was in some of the
information he submitted to staff that about 35% of that center is
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currently fast food or restaurant types of uses (Papa Dan's, chinese,
steak house, donut shop, etc.). Most of those tenants do not serve
market patrons. When people shop for food they don't generally stop
for donuts or chinese food, or at least he didn't. Some people might.
He believed that another user in that center could actually improve the
business in that center and supplement it. A beauty supply use is a
normal market anchored co-tenant as well as a video store and Mail Box
Etc. type of use. He believed that about 7,000 square feet of the
center has common market anchor type users and some might feed off
of the market, but the majority of tenants didn't. He felt that he
covered the alternative uses, medical offices, home values and traffic.
He noted there was a comment made that their development was
actually impacting that and from what he understood from Public Works
the solid median in front of the exit on Monterey from Merano, the solid
median has been planned in the General Plan for numerous years. Their
development wasn't impacting that condition. They weren't changing
that element. He reiterated that when they brought these 40 acres
before commission four years ago they brought it in as one project.
Merano and Albertson's. Would this generate competition across the
street? He said that since Lucky's had an inferior store, Ralph's was
actually the partner of Wal-Mart in that original deal six or seven years
ago. Albertson's was willing to compete with an inferior Lucky four
years ago. He believed when Lucky provides a modern store that meets
the requirements of the modern shopper, no one would compete with
them. They would lock in their corner. Whether or not Rancho Mirage
would go to other types of commercial use on their property was
difficult to say. He thanked commission for their time and asked if
there were any questions.
Chairperson Campbell closed the public hearing and asked for commission
comments.
Commissioner Jonathan thanked everyone for attending. He knew it was late
and said they would try and keep their comments brief as well. They heard
from a lot of different people with a lot of different vested interests in the
proposed project. With the commercial business owners that spoke tonight
he tended to discount many of their concerns because they seemed to be
objections that were economic in nature and frankly were related more to their
own welfare rather than the welfare of the city. From his standpoint as a
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commissioner, Commissioner Jonathan in his mind would discount those and
focus more on the concerns of residents. Incidently, he said that he was
satisfied with the mechanism staff has devised with regards to preventing a
vacancy in the present Lucky site, the so called anti-raiding provision. He felt
that economically they would not be creating a problem here. The project as
proposed was consistent with the original plans they saw four years ago and
even before then with Wal-Mart. As he understood it all homeowners have
been made aware of the pending development, so he would have been more
concerned with some of the issues that have been raised tonight if this was
sprung on everyone, but it has been there a long time. He thought this
particular corner lends itself to this kind of commercial development. When
the commission has considered other alternatives for this area in the past, they
have concluded that for this particular location the other alternatives are not
nearly as attractive. They all bring different kinds of problems including traffic.
Just because they might have residential didn't mean there wouldn't be
additional traffic and congestion. In some cases it would create more. He
thought a lighted intersection was necessary in order to provide easterly
access onto Country Club and felt that most people would be in agreement
`.. with that. The main question was where the lighted intersection on Country
Club should be and his conclusion was that Via Scena was the most logical
location. He understood the concerns of some of the residents, but he felt if
it was properly designed those concerns could be mitigated and that the
design is appropriate in that regard. He didn't think the residents would have
significant trouble getting in and out of their homes. To put the intersection
in a location that is more westerly created a host of other problems. This was
a good example of the statement that there is no perfect solution but this was
perhaps the most acceptable solution given all the aspects involved in where
the location should be. Commissioner Jonathan stated that he was a resident
of Sagewood for more than ten years so he knew that people would never
agree whether a store like Lucky's or a neighborhood commercial center is a
great thing or a terrible thing. Sagewood has 100 homes so it was
comparable and on any given day they would have 80 feeling one way and 20
feeling the other and the next day it would reverse itself. That was just how
it is but there was a comment that said that when all is said and done people
would go shopping there and he felt that was true and they kind of find a way
to live with it, like it and enjoy it. For all of those reasons, and he listened to
the concerns but he believed that it would work out with the project as
proposed, and for all of those reasons he was in favor of the project as
proposed.
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Commissioner Beaty thanked Commissioner Jonathan and felt he did a
beautiful job and enabled him to be much more brief than without those
comments. Commissioner Beaty recalled that the first meeting he attended as
a commissioner was to hear the Wal-Mart issue and he would love to know
how many hours they have spent and how many concerns they have heard
about that corner. When the parcel was separated and Merano was allowed
to go forward and Albertson's was denied by Council, he thought that was
when the decision was made, and he stated so at that time, that this corner
would go commercial. He was not in favor of commercial originally, but he
was convinced that was probably the only alternative at this point in time. He
was comfortable with the conditions staff created to prevent a repeat of the
Lucky fiasco on El Paseo and he thought the residents of Merano were a little
overly worried about Via Scena. In his opinion there needed to be a traffic
signal there for safety and didn't believe the impact would be nearly as severe
as they feared. He was also in favor of the project. Commissioner Beaty
noted that he was not a Lucky proponent, he shops at Ralph's.
Commissioner Fernandez noted that there were a lot of positive and a lot of
negative comments made and one of the things he appreciated were the
people that were really going to be living closer to the project that were in
favor of it. Like the gentleman stated earlier, they should try and put
themselves into their shoes and he chose the shoes of the people who would
living right behind the project. He also concurred with Commissioner Beaty
and Commissioner Jonathan and felt that Commissioner Jonathan does a great
job in expressing himself and the only thing he could say was that he was in
favor of the project and felt it was a good location for it. A supermarket was
very competitive and there was a lot of traffic but it would serve that
neighborhood and community and also help the city. He was in favor of the
project.
Commissioner Finerty stated that she was opposed to the project. She
referenced the Economic Development Advisory Committee minutes when the
Lucky's project was presented to that committee. There was a motion at the
time that the EDAC forward an endorsement of the concept to the City Council
with the stipulation that the endorsement applied only if the "above stated
concerns were addressed." Those concerns were that the existing shopping
center needed a facelift. The committee would prefer to see a long term lease
arrangement for the replacement tenant. But most importantly the developer
must find a new tenant that is acceptable to Sagewood homeowners before
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the request for a zoning change was presented to the Planning Department.
She attended that meeting and it was her understanding after listening to the
presentation by Lucky's that they were going to find an acceptable
replacement tenant prior to taking the next step. So at their last meeting she
was quite surprised when this proposal came before the commission. EDAC
has always been concerned about the number of vacant buildings in this city
and that is one of the reasons why they unanimously approved this
endorsement with the stipulations. Their concerns were evident by how long
it took to get the Lucky's on El Paseo leased. She thought that staff having
to insert conditions 19 through 22 which deal with what will happen if the
center is not leased and when building permits could be issued told her that
they really are putting the cart before the horse. She agreed with Mrs. Gold
that they couldn't really compare this shopping center with the one on Deep
Canyon because they weren't putting two major commercial centers across
from each other and she believed the traffic impact would be a negative one
and that perhaps commercial may seem like the only alternative, but in her
opinion it was an inappropriate use. They heard a lot tonight about this
intersection being the third busiest in the city and she felt that condition would
+► worsen. She was opposed to the project for those reasons.
Chairperson Campbell stated that she was in favor of the project and felt that
staff has learned from the other Lucky's center on El Paseo what they had to
do with this one. Also, one of the Merano tenants brought up the fact that
Lucky's would be open 24 hours. One of the conditions was to limit hours of
operation from 9:00 a.m. to midnight seven days a week and only the Sav-On
service window would be open 24 hours a day. She also felt the center would
be a good buffer for the Merano residents and that a traffic signal was needed
at Via Scena, not just because of this development going in, but because of
the existing traffic. Those people would be needing more than just trying to
get across Country Club. She noted that she lives on Hovley Lane West and
she never goes to the Lucky center because even though it is close to her it
is hard to enter on Monterey because of the traffic and then trying to exit she
had to go all the way down to Portola. Instead she goes down to Ralph's on
Cook or to the Ralph's in Indian Wells. As far as Ralph's on Country Club, it
shared the entrance with Desert Willow and Intrawest timeshares and she felt
that would be a lot busier intersection than the Merano entrance. As Mr.
Mayer pointed out, Mr. Carver wanted to put in an Albertson's there a few
years ago with Lucky's right across the street and now if they put one on the
northeast corner of Monterey and Country Club, they wouldn't have one in the
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present location. She felt that everyone in the long run would be very happy
and she was strongly in favor of the project. She asked for a motion.
Commissioner Jonathan clarified that the Lucky store hours would be from
6:00 a.m. to midnight. He also stated that he respected Commissioner
Finerty's statements and he was actually in agreement with them. The only
reason he was voting in favor of the project was because it isn't a perfect
world and if it were he would certainly want something that would guarantee
no vacancy, that Sagewood residents would be happy with it, that there
wouldn't be additional traffic, and so forth. Those were all very valid concerns
and he was in agreement with them. The only reason he was voting in favor
of the project was because he thought it was the best alternative for that
particular site given the other alternatives they have considered in the past.
He appreciated her comments. He stated that he would move for approval as
presented and amended by staff relative to the potential time extension.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner Beaty,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 4-1
(Commissioner Finerty voted no).
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner Beaty,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1873, recommending to City
Council approval of GPA 97-6, C/Z 97-1 and PP 97-12, subject to conditions
as amended. Motion carried 4-1 (Commissioner Finerty voted no).
CHAIRPERSON CAMPBELL CALLED A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AT 9:09 P.M. THE MEETING
WAS RECONVENED AT 9:13 P.M.
B. Continued Case No. DP 12-79 Amendment - HAHN/PALM DESERT,
INC., Applicant
Request for approval of a Negative Declaration of Environmental Impact
and amendment to a Development Plan for a 172,562 square foot
expansion to the Palm Desert Town Center and 956 space single level
parking deck. Project involves additional retail space, 2,200 seat
theater expansion and elimination of ice rink and child care facility.
Project located on property generally bounded by Highway 1 1 1 ,
Monterey Avenue, Town Center Way and Rancho Grande Drive.
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Mr. Drell explained that the Palm Desert Town Center was built in 1982-1983
and for various reasons there were changes in the structure of the retail
shopping center market for the current financing of the center and very little
improvements have occurred since the original construction. As a result the
project has lost a market share in an otherwise expanding retail market. It has
gotten to the point where the original developer (TrizecHahn) was proposing
a major redesign to try and regain its preeminent position as the prime retail
shopping center in the Coachella Valley. They were slowly developing their
concept and the key to the expansion would be the creation of an
entertainment component within the construction/redesign of the theaters and
they would discuss that. The main purpose of this meeting would be to get
exposed to the project and then they would be recommending a continuance
to have the design go through the Architectural Commission and come back
in August. The major impact of any expansion is, hopefully in this case,
increased traffic. The purpose for the investment is to generate more traffic
and more sales. The goal of the traffic study was not to decide whether or
not the project should proceed, but to decide how best to accommodate the
traffic that results. The financial well being of the center and the financial well
`.. being of the City of Palm Desert was dependent upon the continued future
success and to succeed in the retailing business they had to grow and
constantly compete with developments happening around them. A traffic
study has been conducted and they were still in the process of review and
hoped by the next meeting when this comes back there would be a resolution
addressing all of the traffic issues. The second issue was aesthetics.
Concerns included the height and mass of the building impact and the typical
concerns of views and how the city is perceived. In this particular case staff
has a greater concern. They wanted the design to be as effective as possible
to accomplish its primary goal which is to make the center successful. Staff
would be looking at both those issues, environmental impact issues and
economic impacts, and they would hopefully be convinced that what they are
proposing to do will accomplish the goal of being successful. At this time that
was all he had to say and indicated that the developer and the team of
architects were present to introduce the commission to the project.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. SKIP KUHN, the Project Manager for the expansion and remodel of
the Palm Desert Town Center, stated that he was with TrizecHahn
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Centers and his address is 4350 La Jolla Village Drive in San Diego,
California. He stated that they were at the meeting to give the
commission an overview of the expansion of the project. The design
team was present and would expand upon the overview provided by Mr.
Kuhn with a lot of the design thrust they were using currently for the
exterior of the shopping center and moving forward. The intent was to
create a vibrant retail environment that would take them into the next
millennium. He said there were several components involved in the
expansion of the shopping center. They focused around the fact that
they have five department store buildings with three department stores
occupying them. Largely as a result of consolidations within the
department store business they now have three department stores
occupying all five stores. Part of the issue was to consolidate the
existing Robinson's May store into one full line fashion presentation into
180,000 feet. That would require the expansion of the western store
by approximately 55,000 feet and the sale of their other facility to a
department store to be named later. That was in negotiations and since
they didn't have anything in writing, he couldn't talk about it. Along
with this expansion the Macy's Mens and Home Store was looking to
expand by some 22,000 square feet to the north, and the J.C. Penney's
store had in their original entitlements to expand by some 50,000 feet
on two levels on the eastern side of the project. As part and parcel of
the expansion, not only would the entire interior of the shopping center
be remodeled, but the intent was to create an entertainment spline that
would connect the front parking lot to the south of the project through
the shopping center and go all the way through, past the food court and
connect it with the parking structure that would be produced on the
back side of the project to support all of this expansion. Anchoring the
entertainment spline on the south side of the project actually in the
depressed area that currently exists on the south side between the
Macy's and Robinson's May stores was going to be a pavilion store. It
would be a big statement store and would probably include a fine
restaurant as well. As they moved through the leasing space within the
shopping center, those would be entertainment ancillary uses. At the
northern side they would be anchored by a two level stadium seating 18
screen metropolitan theater presentation. It was a state of the art
theater presentation using the finest materials that are out in the market
today. Stadium seating by its nature required a very tall building. As
pointed out by Mr. Drell earlier, this was roughly 70 feet tall owing to
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the stadium seating itself which allowed seats to step up so that when
looking at the screen you aren't looking past someone's head, but over
it. It required 34 feet more or less between each floor of the building
and that was what accounted for the great height involved. Largely
that was the basic overview of the expansion itself. The last piece of
the puzzle was the parking structure and it would run from one end of
the project to the other and was connected several places. It was a
single level deck and would actually be kind of tall in that it would meet
the second level of the shopping center which is 17 feet floor to floor
approximately. He felt it would provide a lot of close-in parking which
was more desirable than the "north 40" that is there today. He said he
would introduce the project architect, Mr. Millard Archuleta, a principal
in the firm of Feola, Carli & Archuleta and Mr. Archuleta would
introduce the rest of the design team.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if the design of the parking lot changed since
Mr. Kuhn said it would go end to end.
Mr. Kuhn explained that the design of the parking structure was in the
architect's purview and he would address that aspect. He noted the
parking structures were originally separated but based on input from a
variety of different departments in the city they suggested they try and
connect them. He felt this worked pretty well with the theater layout
and allowed them to make that connection so that free flow on the
second level would work. Mr. Kuhn introduced Mr. Archuleta and
explained that he was the original architect on the project.
MR. MILLARD ARCHULETA, 116 East Broadway in Glendale, California,
stated that it has been 20 years now since they first started the initial
concept for the Palm Desert Town Center with Ernest W. Hahn and
Company. At the time the center was initially conceived this was a
state of the art center. After 20 years evolution has now dictated that
the center needed to be brought up to date and revitalized and they
have been honored and privileged to serve the TrizecHahn Company to
implement the revitalization of the Palm Desert Town Center. He
wanted to introduce their director of design, Bill Diehl, another project
designer Kevin Kanes, the project manager David Bircher, and this was
a team that has worked very hard and would continue to work hard to
satisfy the requirements of the City of Palm Desert.
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MR. BILL DEIEL, Feola Carli Archuleta, 8090 Balkan Canyon Road in
Somas, California, stated that as suggested by Skip Kuhn they were
creating an entertainment spline. Basically they were trying to bring one
entry closer to the other one and the way it was planned was by
providing an entry off the parking lot that is closer to Highway 1 1 1 . He
showed some conceptual plans to the commission. The first showed a
section cut through the project and it was cut through the porte
coucher that would be off the parking and the area that is now empty
would be filled in and they would have a set of escalators and stairs
that would take people down and a bridge that would take people
across all the way through. At that point was where the two branches
really met. The main spline of the shopping center and the
entertainment spline was where they would meet and it would cross
over into the food court and go out to the outside which would be the
entrance from the garage into the cinemas. The next sketch was of the
main entry from the parking lot and right now it falls between one of
the department stores and May department stores. They were
introducing porte couchers that would change the look of the project
and with the concept they were trying to get some ideas and they
would carry that idea throughout the project. Next was the view of the
back part where the theaters would be and the parking garage which
was one level. He said it would have a bridge crossing over through
another porte coucher to also be used as a marquee for the cinemas and
as they were looking at the existing center the background was the two
level theater. They showed the lower entry and upper entry with stairs
that would lead up into the upper level which was the entrance to the
theater. He showed the elevation of the parking that he was talking
about. It was one deck and they were thinking about giving it a better
look than just plain columns and beams so that it would have a
residential feeling. He hoped there would be some trellises on the top
for growth and lighting. He said they would try and keep it as low as
possible in height, whatever was necessary, and at some point it had
to come up to a certain height in order to meet with the existing second
level. At one point it would probably be 14 or 15 feet high and where
it came toward the residential area they would drop it as low as 12 feet
so that it would not be seen by the residents on the other side of the
wall.
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Commissioner Beaty asked for them to outline the parking deck on the site
plan. They did so.
MR. KEVIN KANES, 3855 Riverton Avenue in Studio City, California,
addressed the commission and stated that he worked with Mr. Deiel.
He said the object of the drawing was to indicate the impact the cinema
structure would have on the adjoining street, Rancho Grande Drive. He
explained that he constructed a computer model which is based on the
view of a person standing in the middle of Rancho Grande Drive and he
chose that because it is a fixed position. He said it was approximately
50 feet to the north of the existing wall on top of a four-foot berm.
Right now there was a four-foot berm, six foot wall and varying degrees
of density of growth that exists along that wall. He also showed
photographs. He indicated that when he constructed this he didn't
show the full height of the trees, but a height of growth that would
cover the cinema building from that position on the street. In reality the
trees would be much higher but he thought it might appear that they
were trying to push something on them. When looking at the
NEW photographs they could see the existing building sticking over the wall
and he took the photographs from the road at various positions and the
building was just sticking up over the wall from some of the view points
and they could see the height of the trees almost off of the photograph.
They were looking at increasing the height of the building some 23 or
24 feet higher than the existing center and the intention was to increase
the intensity of the growth where it would have the most severe impact
visually and once the density was increased they would have it virtually
obliterated from the residential area across the road. He said that if
they went very far back from the project they would see the top of that
building. He stated that he spent considerable time thinking about this
structure and his thoughts were that with the height of the existing
building, he was attempting to layer the look of the building
architecturally so that it looked like it was stepping back and to also
treat a large portion of the upper area in a very negative manner so that
it would almost disappear when looking at the structure. He said they
would be working with the designer of this portion of the center to
make sure the impact is minimized to the largest degree. He thought
the effect was largely reduced. He pointed out that the structure would
be diagonal to the residential wall to the north instead of being parallel
so that just the end of the theater was what they would be looking at.
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That made the perspective disappear. He asked if there were any
questions.
Chairperson Campbell asked if on the second level of the parking lot if he was
planning to put in any type of trellises.
Mr. Kanes replied absolutely.
Chairperson Campbell asked if they would see that detail in the drawings at a
later date.
Mr. Kanes concurred.
Commissioner Jonathan noted that the staff report indicated that the City was
being asked to contribute some money for the parking structure. He asked if
there was an analysis provided on the cost and whether it was even potentially
feasible to add on a second level to part of or all of the parking structure. He
noted that this was brought up at the Economic Development Advisory
Committee meeting.
Mr. Kuhn replied that literally all that would have to be done by virtue
of the way it is constructed is to "beef up" the footings to allow
something to be added at a later date. He said it wasn't currently in the
plans for the center in a large measure because the additional parking
wasn't warranted based on the size of the expansion.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if they were certain about that because he
thought part of the analysis looked at the expansion only rather than the
deficiency that may currently exist.
Mr. Kuhn said that was what the traffic study addressed and both
Public Works and Mr. Drell were reviewing that now. He said they just
received the traffic study last week.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if there was a determination made that
additional parking is required to meet not only the expansion, but also any
potential current deficiency if any exists, if a second level might be a feasible t
option or would at least be looked at.
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Mr. Kuhn agreed.
Mr. Drell said there was also another area identified for an additional structure.
He noted that structured parking was extremely expensive and they couldn't
just build a little of it, they had to build a lot of it and so the big question was
whether it was cost effective to do that "beefing up" up front, which was
probably easier to do it when pouring the footings initially than coming back
later.
Mr. Kuhn said there was obviously a premium to doing that, but he
didn't think it was out the realm of possibility.
Commissioner Jonathan said he didn't have a predisposition on that, but if
they find there is a deficiency even after this structure, then he didn't want to
wait another 20 years to cure a deficiency. Mr. Drell said they hoped there
was a deficiency. Commissioner Jonathan said that would be a good problem
and noted that an additional investment would then be warranted. Again, he
didn't have a predisposition, but it has crossed his mind and he brought it up
.., for that reason.
Commissioner Finerty stated that she has spoken with some adults and
teenagers regarding the current theater design and she was told by many that
they preferred going to Indio rather than the mall and she asked why. Part of
it had to do with the number of kids/teenagers that kind of hang out in the
ticket purchasing area. They were often smoking and often hit up other
teenagers for money. She was wondering what changes they might be
making in the design that would help to address those problems.
Mr. Kuhn indicated that currently the ticketing was on the outside of the
building and that promoted certain loitering. He said they were
relocating the ticket booth to the inside of the shopping center right off
of the center court and that would do two things. One, it would
promote traffic coming through the shopping center and give the
customer more opportunities to impulse shop and cross shop based-on
their trip of going to the theaters, but it would also cut down (because
of their security force) the loitering teens. He said he would pass this
information on to Molly Doyle because they have full time security there
and they would try and do something about it.
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Commissioner Jonathan stated that he was very happy to see this take place.
He was sure the city would be happy to see continued increased revenues, but
from both a planning commissioner's standpoint and just purely a resident's
standpoint, the mall has always been a wonderful thing to have, a wonderful
resource and place to go and do things, buy things, etc. But it has had its
attendant problems and he could see prospectively those problems being
solved. It was a real improvement to our quality of life so he was happy to
see that hopefully it was finally coming about.
Chairperson Campbell felt that the Commission was behind them 100% to
support this project, but they needed a lot more information, drawings and so
forth. Chairperson Campbell asked if there were any other questions. There
were none.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one. Chairperson Campbell
indicated that the public hearing would remain open and would entertain a
motion of continuance to August 4, 1998. Mr. Drell asked if the Commission
wanted to go on record in a formal way by minute motion that they are
generally in support of the direction the applicant's going. The applicants
might wish a formal action of support. Chairperson Campbell asked for a
motion.
Commissioner Jonathan stated that he would present a motion indicating
conceptual support for the proposed project pending submission of the
architectural design and he noted there were other issues that may or may not
arise, but conceptually he felt they were in support of the proposed project.
Chairperson Campbell stated that she would second that motion.
Commissioner Finerty requested that the motion be amended to include the
traffic impact study, the memo from Dick Folkers. Her concern had to do with
the recent Walgreens issue with the amount of parking and traffic that would
be generated and there were people who enter the mall from San Gorgonio and
the Palma Village Specific Plan references the possibility that San Gorgonio
might close. She asked if the motion could be amended to include the issues
raised in Mr. Folkers' July 7 memo. Mr. Drell stated that it went without
saying that the resolution of the traffic issue would be part of the final
approval action. Commissioner Jonathan felt there would be a number of
significant issues and certainly traffic would be one of them, the parking would
be one, the height, and he was sure some people would be objecting and they
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would be looking at the aesthetics, etc. They could add all of the above. He
said the motion was for conceptual support and certainly in a conceptual sense
they were in support but it would be subject to resolution of all issues that
may arise in the approval process. He said the motion could be that they
indicate conceptual approval subject to resolution of all issues that may come
up in the approval process. Commissioner Finerty said she would second that
motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
indicating conceptual support for the proposed project subject to resolution of
all issues, and continuing the public hearing to August 4, 1998. Motion
carried 5-0.
C. Case No. TT 28861 - SUNRISE COMPANY, Applicant
Request for approval of Vesting Tentative Tract 28861 to
subdivide six (6) existing lots into seven (7) single family lots on
the east side of Mesa Grande Drive, south of Tomahawk Drive in
Indian Ridge Country Club.
Mr. Drell noted that the commission had the report and indicated that basically
the request was in response by Sunrise to the market conditions there and
staff recommended approval.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. PHILLIP SMITH, President of Sunrise Company's Coachella Valley
Division, stated that he was present to answer any questions.
There were none. Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in
FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public
hearing was closed. Chairperson Campbell asked for commission comments.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Beaty,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
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It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Beaty,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1874, approving TT 28861 ,
subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
D. Case No. TT 28846 - G.L. LAND HOLDINGS AND WINMAR PALM
DESERT, Applicants
Request for approval to allow three foot side yard setbacks for
15 lots within the "Mountains at Bighorn" north and east of Wikil
Place. (APN's 771-029-008 through 019 and 030-003)
Mr. Joy indicated that the same tract map was before Planning Commission
a month ago; staff just had a misunderstanding with the applicant as to the
timing of setback requirements necessitating this second public hearing on this
tract. Staff recommended approval of this change and was ready to answer
any questions.
Commissioner Jonathan noted that they were looking for an exception to the
five foot requirement, but asked if the total of 14 feet would remain or if they
were seeking an exception to that as well. Mr. Joy replied that it was a
request for three foot side yards so the total would be six. Commissioner
Jonathan noted that there were two requirements with regards to side yards,
five feet minimum and 14 feet total and what Mr. Joy was saying was three
feet minimum and a total of six feet. Mr. Joy concurred and said that was
how they have done other units in Bighorn. He indicated that zoning at
Bighorn is Planned Community Development and he thought that perhaps
Commissioner Jonathan was thinking about R-1 zoning and those side yard
setbacks. The PCD zoning at Bighorn related to the original Bella Vista project
where it was permitted up to 1 ,300 dwelling units and the City had a further
implementation agreement with, at that time Westinghouse, which lowered
the density of the project down to 311 units rather than the 1 ,300 units.
There were some trades that went along with that and one of the reasons
staff was agreeing with the decreased setbacks was with the original plan
called for two story condo units in the same locations which were actually
attached. Commissioner Jonathan noted that the staff report indicated that
the standard side yard setback was a 14-foot total. He asked if Mr. Joy was
saying that in Bighorn there are numerous exceptions due to the contour of
their project. Mr. Joy explained that when the staff report talks about the
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standard 14 foot setbacks as relating to the Palo Brea tract immediately
adjacent to the south of this property and this was where the total 14 foot
side yard setbacks related to the R-1 zoning for lots less than 10,000 square
feet. Commissioner Jonathan noted that they were asking for an exception
and asked if there were other exceptions already granted at Bighorn. Mr. Joy
replied that this subdivision would be a combination of The Villas project and
the Palo Brea that they offer at Bighorn. The Villas project was where the
three-foot side yard setbacks are which is the minimum per the Uniform
Building Code and the houses weren't actually attached to each other. Mr.
Drell said that the issue here was that in lieu of having attached condominiums
they wanted to separate them somewhat. In the zone and plan they originally
had attached condominiums. In lieu of that they were wanting to separate
them but at the minimum distance required by the building code. Mr. Joy
pointed out that the density remained the same and was below the 311 units
called for in the implementation agreement between the City and the
developers of the project.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. BOB ROSS, RBF Engineering at 74-410 Highway 111 in Palm
Desert, stated that he was representing Winmar. He apologized for the
inconvenience of being back here one month later with this request. He
said there was miscommunication a month ago and what they were
asking for were the same setbacks that were approved for the 12 units
of the golf villas with three feet on each side as a minimum. He said it
wouldn't be a blank wall with three feet down the whole side of the
house, but it would be three feet for a portion and then it would open
up to an alcove where they were borrowing an easement for land for
adjacent property owners to have a side yard swap through private
easements, but there were minimums on both sides which would be
three feet at the hinge point. He asked if there were any questions.
Commissioner Jonathan asked approximately how many of the total units in
the Mountains at Bighorn have an exception to the 14/5 side yard standards.
Mr. Ross replied that with the three feet there were 12 units that were
next to the golf clubhouse which were approved about two years ago.
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He said it was the same units, same setbacks, and everything, but of
the 300, he thought it was only those other 12.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was none and the public hearing was
closed. Chairperson Campbell asked for commission comments.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1875, approving TT 28846,
subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
E. Case No. CUP 98-8 - MR. AND MRS. RALPH FINNEGAN, Applicant
Request for approval of a Conditional Use Permit to allow a beer
and wine license for an existing 740 square foot restaurant
known as "The Original Crunchy Grinder" located at 74-868 Joni
Drive #1 in the Service Industrial District.
Mr. Drell indicated that Mr. Alvarez was present to answer any questions. Mr.
Alvarez stated that staff was recommending approval.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MS. NANCY FINNEGAN, 10-840 Ambrosio in Desert Hot Springs,
stated that a lot of their customers asked if they would serve beer.
They said they would like to have beer with their sandwiches. None of
the other people who had the business before them did this and that
was why they were before commission now. Ms. Finnegan said they
were open now until 4:00 p.m. but if they received approval they
wanted to stay open later but she noticed in the conditions of approval
hours were limited. She asked if they could stay open after 5:00 p.m.
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Mr. Drell stated that he didn't see any reason to limit their hours of operation
and recommended that condition no. 2 be deleted. Commission concurred.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was
closed.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 1876, approving CUP 98-8,
subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
F. Case No. PP/CUP 98-11 - MELANIE PLACE PARTNERS, Applicant
Request for approval of a Precise plan/Conditional Use Permit to
,.. allow construction of a 11 ,957 square foot office and studio
addition at KESQ TV, parking modification to reduce parking from
36 spaces to 31 spaces, and a Negative Declaration of
Environmental Impact as it relates thereto for a 21 ,928 square
foot lot on the east side of Melanie Place immediately north of
the existing KESQ facility at 42-650 Melanie Place, also known
as APN 634-142-004.
Commissioner Jonathan informed commission that he would be abstaining
from discussion and voting on this matter because he owns property on
Caroline Court.
Mr. Drell stated that very simply staff didn't have a problem with this project
except for one aspect and that was the number of parking spaces provided.
In analyzing this they utilized every option for reducing the parking requirement
and applied them to this project and still came up that they were short five
spaces. While this particular tenant or occupant or even owner/occupant of
the building might be acceptable in terms of their demands relative to parking,
the City typically required that the minimum requirements are met in
anticipation of growth of the business or some future tenant which might have
a normal requirement. As a result staff was at a loss to come up with a viable
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justification for the reduction beyond what they have already recommended in
terms of how they have dealt with the studios by classifying them as industrial
space and by recommending approval of the compact parking spaces, etc., and
the deductions they were able to note relative to interior space in terms of
stairwells. With that exception staff was recommending approval but staff felt
the parking should be in compliance.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. MELVIN SHERMAN, 73-441 Mariposa Drive in Palm Desert, said
that staff did a very good job in the report, however, there were a
couple of items he wanted to call to the commission's attention. They
plan to add to the existing building more than 500 feet of office which
was never going to be occupied, it was strictly technical equipment, and
if that was considered as part of the warehouse space then they would
still be short parking, but not five spaces, only three. The other point
was the report mentioned that KESQ TV when they acquired Fox
Station (and Mr. Evans was present and could speak for himself as
manager of the station) the report mentioned that they were going to
pick up 18 additional people from the other station. It would really only
be 10-12 people and that would make the total 70-80 people. At the
present time there were 66 parking spaces for the building and they
would be adding 31 spaces and with the number of people they have
and when considering that they are not all there at one time, they would
have plenty of extra parking spaces available so that every employee
could park there and still have ample parking spaces. He realized that
in the future it was conceivable that when the present tenant, if they
were to leave and they have a 15-year lease with two 5 year options,
they put a lot of money into the property for their own use and things
that had to be done electrically, etc., and it was very unlikely even at
the end of 15 years that they would leave, but if they did, he felt the
number of spaces they had would take care of any other tenant and if
it couldn't, they could make changes that could reduce the building size.
It couldn't be reduced now for their needs, but part of that studio,
which was like a warehouse and that studio was very seldom occupied,
it was occupied when they have newscasts in there and even then more
than 4,000 feet of studio was occupied by 3-5 people. The other
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of the problems they faced was that right now the report mentioned
that they have about 12 people parking on the street. That would be
eliminated without any problem and they would have extra parking
space available and they were asking for approval giving them
permission to be short three spaces, maximum five.
MR. BILL EVANS, 55-385 Marguerite Court in La Quinta, stated that he
was present to answer any questions that he could. He wanted the
commission to understand that the 4,000 square foot studio they were
adding on and the technical area when it was not in use for news
programming, it was not in use. It was not an area where they put
employees in for any other reason than to run a camera or sit at the
anchor desk and do programming. Much of the time it is empty and the
employees that work in these areas are already at the station. They
didn't come to the station, park their cars to go into the studio to work,
they were already working there. There was really no parking required
to house employees who work in those areas. That is where they come
up with their difference in the parking spaces. Also, the report said
�. there were 10-12 cars on the street and he said that was true,
however, he didn't claim that they were all their employees. He noted
that if commission has been down that street Cardiff had just opened
up a new facility there and he believed they were responsible for
probably half of those cars there. He didn't think it was fair to put
those cars under them.
MR. JOE DUNN, Cal West, the architects, civil engineers and structural
engineers on the building, asked for approval of the project. He said
they fought very hard to take square footage out and make it an easy
case, but the demands of the building didn't easily allow that. He asked
for approval of the exception. He asked if there were any questions
about the building.
There were none. Chairperson Campbell closed the public hearing and asked
for commission comments.
Commissioner Fernandez stated that he would move for approval. Mr. Drell
asked if they wanted to change any conditions. He noted that condition no.
6 was the condition that related to the size of the building. In lieu of reducing
the square footage, the commission could eliminate the condition entirely and
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grant them blanket approval. As an option they could require that any future
tenant would be subject to modification of this conditional use permit to
determine whether the peculiar uses of the building that the current tenant has
for parking demand would be duplicated by any subsequent tenant and the city
would retain that authority. They want to have the ability to say a use was
not appropriate if there were different circumstances.
Commissioner Fernandez concurred with Mr. Drell's suggestion. Commissioner
Finerty noted that the parking survey was done in June and she works right
across the street on Melanie and she knew that in January and February there
were a lot more than 12 cars parked on Melanie. She felt that staff's
conditions were appropriate and agreed with them.
Chairperson Campbell stated that she was also in agreement with
Commissioner Finerty. The ordinance required a certain number of parking
spaces and she felt that needed to be conformed with. Staff recommended
that the applicant reduce the size of the building to comply with the parking.
Mr. Drell noted that the applicant said they couldn't reduce the building to
meet their physical needs. Chairperson Campbell noted that there was a 15-
year lease with two 5 year options and it would be a problem if the next
occupant wasn't able to comply with all of the parking conditions. She was
opposed to the removal of the condition.
Commissioner Beaty asked who the owner was of the north vacant parcel and
if they were noticed or had any concerns. Mr. Drell stated that they were
noticed but was not aware of any concerns. Commissioner Beaty asked if we
knew who owned that parcel. Mr. Drell said he could get that information.
Commissioner Beaty declined and said he would second the motion to approve
the project.
Action:
1 . It was moved by Commissioner Fernandez, seconded by Commissioner
Beaty, to approve the findings and deleting Community Development
Condition No. 6. Motion died on a 2-2-1 vote (Chairperson Campbell
and Commissioner Finerty voted no, Commissioner Jonathan abstained).
2. It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Chairperson
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff, with
Community Development Condition No. 6 as originally recommended by
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staff. Commissioner Finerty felt the building was fine, but didn't agree
with the reduction in the parking. Chairperson Campbell called for the
vote. Motion died on a 2-2-1 vote (Commissioners Beaty and Fernandez
voted no, Commissioner Jonathan abstained).
Mr. Drell stated that since they wouldn't be able to get a fifth vote, an
alternative motion would be to simply refer it to the City Council with no
recommendation from the Commission.
3. It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner
Fernandez, referring Case No. CUP 98-8 to City Council by minute
motion. Commissioner Finerty asked if staff could explain the reasons
why they couldn't come to a decision. Mr. Drell noted Council would
get the minutes. Commissioner Finerty asked if it would be explained
in the staff report. Mr. Drell said the minutes would describe the
rational for each vote. Chairperson Campbell called for the vote.
Motion carried 4-0-1 (Commissioner Jonathan abstained).
tow Mr. Drell indicated that the hearing before council would have to wait until
August 27, 1998, which would be the next available council meeting.
Chairperson Campbell noted that there wouldn't be any action taken with
regards to the resolution. Mr. Drell concurred and indicated that their action
was a minute motion.
Commissioner Beaty noted that the applicant had an option to consider some
other alternatives and come back with a different proposal. Mr. Drell asked if
the commission wanted the applicant to speak. Chairperson Campbell
concurred.
Mr. Evans readdressed the commission and indicated he wanted to
respond to the comment made about the parking during the months of
January and February. His employees are 12 months per year and it
didn't really matter what the month was, his employees didn't change.
They weren't going away for the summer. The other thing he wanted
to say was that they operate 24 hours and a lot of the employees and
at any one time they only had 70 to 80 people maximum who are on
site working and that was during the 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. time
period. Out of that group there were ten of them in sales that were not
to be in the office, so hopefully they weren't there. The rest of the
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people work after hours, or after 5:00 p.m., and around the clock until
early morning. He had a question as to what the problem is. He
understood the rules, but he felt they had a lot of parking spaces
available now. In the staff report when staff looked at the facility on
the given days they put in the report that at any one time there were
10-12 lots available for parking in their parking lot even though there
were ten cars on the street. He thought they had adequate parking
now. With the new facility and 31 more spaces he didn't see the
problem.
Chairperson Campbell explained that when they make an exception for one,
everyone else would want it. Commissioner Beaty noted that Mr. Evans
convinced half of the commission but that wasn't good enough.
Mr. Sherman readdressed the commission to stress that as mentioned
in the staff report they own property around the corner that is 550 feet
away according to the staff report. If additional parking is needed, that
space is available. He noted that 550 feet might seem like a long
distance and he knew that he has parked at the Town Center 800-
1 ,000 feet away. However, if Mr. Evans needed that space and
required five employees to park there, they have that space available.
He said they have plenty of empty space there and he couldn't see why
that couldn't be used. The other thing was that they would be there 15
years and if they leave in 15 years, if the additional parking space was
then needed, they were willing to put it in and tie it to a permit for
occupancy and they would reduce the size and part of the station. He
said it was like a warehouse and it could be reduced. They couldn't
reduce it now because they needed it, but they could reduce it in the
future if they got a different tenant. He said they would agree in
writing and they would have a lawyer write it up to become part of the
report and they would agree to do that in the future if it is necessary.
He clarified that they would agree to meet the parking requirements of
the city in the future if it was needed for a different tenant.
Chairperson Campbell thanked Mr. Sherman for his comments. Mr. Drell
indicated that unless the commission was willing to reconsider the action that
was the end of the agenda item. Just to throw out an idea, Commissioner
Beaty stated that he read the report and 550 feet seemed like a long way
away, but asked if there was any possibility of creating a condition now that
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they must park a certain number of vehicles or at the risk of complicating it
even further, if it was a problem, and insert the condition that if the building
was vacated before another occupancy permit was offered that they comply.
He asked if they could do that and if it would satisfy the other commissioners.
Mr. Drell said that was a condition that was offered. Commissioner Finerty
said no. She felt that was as unrealistic as having the Lucky drivers turn off
their truck air conditioning. She also felt that staff's report was accurate and
right on when they say it is unlikely that they would park there. Chairperson
Campbell asked if they added a condition that employees would park there,
who would make sure that was being complied with. Commissioner Finerty
concurred that it wasn't practical. Mr. Drell indicated that if commission was
done then the action was as completed.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. CIVIC CENTER STEERING COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
B. DESERT WILLOW COMMITTEE - (July 7, 1998)
Commissioner Finerty stated that they talked about the art and leisure
trail. Intrawest had big plans, however, they were not convinced they
needed to pay for it and it needed to be made clear, so she didn't know
where that would end up. Regarding the clubhouse, they still planned
to open on May 1 , 1999, however, it was being held up by the
structural engineer because of the seismic rate factor. There was going
to be a hotel review process and they were expecting three proposals
by July 15 and hopefully they could arrive at a time table and choose
one of the hotel companies soon so they could get those going.
C. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
Mr. Drell informed commission that over the last few years and last
several months there had been considerable angst over the committee's
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purpose, function and staffing and the decision was that until that was
defined, the committee would no longer exist. He said it might be
resurrected in the future, however it would probably be placed under the
Business Support Center and as part of that action the current
Economic Development Manager position has been eliminated and
temporarily transferred over to Sunline which has taken over the
responsibility of the fuel cell program.
D. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
E. PALM DESERT/RANCHO MIRAGE MONTEREY AVENUE CORRIDOR
PLANNING WORK GROUP - (No meeting)
F. ZONING ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMITTEE - (July 1 , 1998)
Chairperson Campbell indicated that they discussed RV's and storage
in front and side yards. She said the city was going to check with
Emerald Isle to see if they have spaces available so that they could tell
some of the RV owners that they could park their vehicles there. Also,
they were going to wait to have some RV owners come to a meeting to
tell them what things are required, if it would be convenient for them
to be there, how affordable it would be and so forth. That wouldn't be
coming to the Planning Commission until September or October.
Regarding the political sign ordinance that would be coming before
Planning Commission for approval soon and could be implemented in
time for the upcoming political season. The marquee awnings would
remain as is and ARC would go ahead and consider all the applications
and impose appropriate restrictions so they would be aesthetically
compatible on the streets.
XI. COMMENTS
Commissioner Beaty asked about the order of agenda items. He felt sorry for
the applicants that had to sit through lengthy hearing items when theirs only
took a few minutes. He asked how it was determined. Mr. Drell noted that
typically continued items were given priority. Commissioner Beaty noted that
with Sunrise, they didn't know it for sure but could guess that it wouldn't be t
controversial. He asked if there was a way they could place those up front
and not make the people go through the other hearings. Mr. Drell said they
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could. Chairperson Campbell asked if they could just do that at the meeting.
Mr. Drell concurred. Commissioner Beaty felt it would be easier for staff to do
because staff knew what kind of response staff was receiving from the public
and which ones might be controversial and they could just do it. Mr.
Hargreaves stated that the commission has the ability to rearrange the agenda.
Commissioner Beaty stated that his point was that staff knew which ones
were going to be controversial. Commissioner Jonathan suggested that
perhaps they could do both. Staff could make an effort and if they needed to
the commission could rearrange the agenda order. Commissioner Finerty
suggested that when Ruth's Chris comes back that it be placed at the end.
Staff agreed.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Beaty, seconded by Commissioner Fernandez,
adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0. The meeting
was adjourned at 10:28 p.m.
STEP EN R. SMITH, Acting Secretary
ATTEST:
SONIA M. CAMPBELL, Chairperson
City of Palm Desert, California
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