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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING
TUESDAY - MARCH 20, 2001
7:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER
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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Lopez called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Jonathan led in the pledge of allegiance.
III. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Jim Lopez, Chai►person
Cindy Finerty, Vice Chairperson
Sonia Campbell
Sabby Jonathan
Dave Tschopp
"�' Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Phil Drell, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, City Attorney
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Jeff Winklepleck, Parks and Recreation Planning Manager
Martin Alvarez, Associate Planner
Mark Greenwood, Engineering Manager
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Consideration of the March 6, 2001 meeting minutes.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
approving the March 6, 2001 minutes as submitted. Motion carried 5-0.
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
� Mr. Drell summarized pertinent March 8, 2001 City Council actions.
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VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 01-02 - MESQUITE, LLC, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to merge Lots 32
and 33 and Lot 34 of Tract 25296-1 to accommodate a
residence, pool house and improvements in Bighorn Country
Club.
B. Case No. PMW 01-03 - ROBERT AND ALICE ABT, Applicants
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to adjust lot lines
between Lots 24 and 25 on Wanish Place in Bighorn.
C. Case No. PMW 01-05 - SIXTH STREET PARTNERS 1, LLC, Applicant "'�
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to reconfigure six
parcels into four parcels located in Desert Country Plaza on
Country Club Drive.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to raising
only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public hearing
described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the Planning
Commission at, o� p�ior to, the public hearing.
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A. Case No. PM 30042 - DAN ALLRED/AMERICAN REALTY TRUST,
Applicant
Request for approval of a Tentative Parcel Map to subdivide
134.3 gross acres at the northwest and southwest corners of
Cook Street and Geraid Ford Drive into 20 lots for
business/industrial purposes, 74-900 Gerald Ford Drive.
Mr. Smith indicated that plans were on display and copies were distributed to
commission. He explained that the request was for a 20-lot parcel map.
Eighteen of the lots would be located on the north side of Gerald Ford and two
of the lots on the south side. The lots on the north side would be served by
a new loop street that would be 52 feet curb to curb with 10 foot parkways
on either side. The traffic department advised that was consistent with the
street plan. The lots in that area range in size from 63,000 square feet to
1 14,000 square feet and they generally back onto the railway and there were
also some lots that back onto Cook Street. He said the biggest parcel in this
area is 49 acres and fronts onto Gerald Ford. As well, there are lots on the
,r�, south side that generally follow Planning Areas 3 and 5 from the Wonder
Palms Development Plan. The size, density and layout of the lots and the
street were adequate and staff felt the findings could be met as outlined on
pages 3 and 4 of the staff report. The plan as presented was consistent with
the development plan which was previously assessed for purposes of CEQA
and no further documentation was necessary. He recommended approval of
the findings and the draft resolution, subject to conditions.
Commissioner Jonathan asked how the 52 feet compared to a normal street
width. He asked if this would have one lane in each direction and asked for
a street to use as a basis of comparison. Mr. Greenwood explained that there
would be one lane in each direction plus a two-way left-turn lane, plus parking
on each side. Commissioner Jonathan asked if it was staff's opinion that one
lane in each direction was adequate. Mr. Greenwood concurred.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if there was a future plan for the west end of
that street. Right now there was a sharp left turn onto Gerald Ford. On the
west side of the street it curved to the south and met Gerald Ford. He asked
if there were future plans to extend that street further west. Mr. Smith
indicated that the conceptual circulation plan showed a street connecting to
it and going out to Portola. Commissioner Jonathan noted it would be kind of
a parallel approach to Portola and in light of the future plans for that street, he
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asked if staff still believed one lane in each direction was adequate or if that
street would be expanded when it was extended to Portola. Mr. Smith said
he didn't believe it would be extended at that point and felt it would be
adequate.
Commissioner Campbell asked if there were plans for the 49.1 acres and if
that would impact the street size. Mr. Smith said it would also have access
off of Gerald Ford if it developed as a 49-acre piece. Commissioner Campbell
asked if the other street would remain as is or depending on what was built
on the 49 acres, it could be widened. Mr. Smith said that if the use for the 49
acres was a high intensity land use that they didn't anticipate, then additional
right-of-way could be taken.
Chairperson Lopez opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. MARVIN ROOS, Director of Planning Services for Mainiero, Smith
& Associates, representing Ame�ican Realty Trust Basic Capital
addressed the commission. He stated that they concurred with the �
staff o inions and recommendations and were ha ""�
p� ppy to move ahead
with it. He pointed out that they were moving ahead with the final
improvement drawings on the east side of Cook and all the restaurant
pads except for two were spoken for in terms of developments that
were through the City or coming to the City soon. The area was
becoming of high interest and Mr. Allred asked them if they could get
more lots for the type of uses that were going into the back areas.
They had been discussing what could go on the front area and at this
point they didn't have a major user and that was what the city staff had
asked them to try and hold for and not create a bunch of small lots in
there. In a perfect world they would like to see an urban village there
that would pick up off of the campus eventually where they would have
a lot of activity and day and night uses with offices and apartments.
It was hard to find village developers, so they were working on that.
He said they felt the streets were adequate. They were working with
Tom Noble on a design for the Dinah Shore/ Portola extension. That
would be the main access that would drop the traffic back onto Gerald
Ford at Portola. He said they would connect over with mo�e of an
internal circulation of the industrial collector street that would connect
to Portola. The location where it drops back onto Gerald Ford was
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chosen based on conceptual plans they had seen for Desert Welis
Country Ciub, so they were actually showing an alignment that would
line up with what they had preliminarily shown the city. If they moved
ahead with this project that would establish that position so there
would be a single point of mutual access across the way. He said there
might be another one at the south end. He said they were excited
about the activity and expected to see some good uses coming in.
Chairperson Lopez asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION
to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Tschopp noted that pad four showed an industrial designation
and asked about the range of uses that might be allowed. Mr. Smith said it
would be reasonably consistent with the current service industrial designation.
They weren't talking about smoke stack industries. It would range from
offices to service industrial uses.
Commissioner Campbell felt it was an appropriate area and would be a buffer
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a motion.
Commissioner Finerty agreed and said she was still hoping for a Claim Jumper
restaurant and seconded the motion.
Commissioner Jonathan said he was also in agreement. The application before
them was for a tentative parcel map at this point. He stated that he, as well
as the other commissioners, would be sensitive to the kind of actual
development they would actually see there. In spite of the fact that there was
major traffic and it was near the freeway, it was his hope that the city's
standards would be adhered to and perhaps even exceeded. The tentative
parcel map looked good and he was assured by staff's opinion that the traffic
would flow well.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
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It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2051 , approving PM 30042,
subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
B. Case No. PP 00-26 - ARIEL L. VALLI, Applicant
Request for approval of a Precise Plan and Negative Declaration
of Environmental Impact for an 86,835 square foot self-storage
facility on a 2.1-acre site on the south side of Hovley Lane 480
feet east of Corporate Way, 74-853 Hovley Lane.
Mr. Smith put the site plan on display. He noted that commission received
copies of the site plan. He said it was a 2.1 acre site on the south side of
Hovley between the Post Office and Lino's Auto. The architecture and
landscaping were preliminarily approved by Architectural Review. On the
perimeter of the site there were single story buildings 12 feet high. At the
center there was a larger two-story building that was 24 feet in height. The �
buildings were set back varying distances from 108 feet on the west to 51 }
feet in the middle, to 20 feet on the easterly building. The project had two '�
access points on Hovley Lane with the westerly one being the main access
with right-in and right-out only. The project met the setbacks, the height
limits, coverage, landscaping, and parking. It was a permitted use in the S.I.
zone and it complied with the ordinance provisions. Staff was suggesting the
certification of the Negative Declaration af Environmental Impact and
recommended approval of the project, subject to conditions.
Commissioner Campbell asked if ARC approved the 27-foot height. Mr. Smith
said yes and indicated that 30 feet was permitted in the zone.
Commissioner Jonathan noted that the staff report indicated that the easterly
driveway would be gated and limited to emergency and large access only. Mr.
Smith concurred. Cornmissioner Jonathan said that later in the staff report it
indicated that traffic would exit from the east driveway and asked for
clarification. Mr. Smith said that traffic would exit from the driveway on the
east side of the buildings and then cross in front of the center building and exit
from the west. Other than large vehicles that couldn't make that turn and
then the office would open the gate. Commissioner Jonathan said that traffic
was then exiting from the west driveway, not the east. He noted that there
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were eight parking spaces for 86,000 square feet of self storage. Staff had
indicated that was consistent with the code requirement. Commissioner
Jonathan said he didn't know what those requirements were, but they must
be pretty liberal. Mr. Smith said that self storage was just a blanket six spaces
for the self-storage facility and if there was a manager's unit, two additional
spaces. Commissioner Jonathan said that if it there were 10,000 square feet
of storage, it would require eight spaces with a manager's unit and if it was
86,000 it would require eight spaces. Mr. Smith said that was correct and
indicated that some were 146,000 square feet. Commissioner Jonathan
thought that might be something to be addressed as they go through the
General Plan amendment and ZORC might want to take a look at that. He felt
that bigger facilities might have more people and need more parking. He said
the main issue he had was there was a center building, a building on each side
of the project and asked how this worked. If there were a few people going
in to use their storage, if they wanted to put stuff in or take stuff out they
would pull their truck up to the door he assumed. He asked if there was a pull
over area. There was a driveway with a building on the right and a building
on the left. He didn't see a drawing with a pull over area and asked how
� traffic would flow and interact with people stopped to use their facility. Mr.
Smith explained that the driveways were 30 feet wide so 10 feet on each side
for someone parked. He thought it was unlikely that they would get two
people in units exactly opposite, but even if they were, it would still leave a
10-foot center aisle. Commissioner Campbell said she knew exactly how it
was in the facility she uses. They pull up right in front of their unit next to the
door and unload or load and anyone that comes along, there was enough room
to get around. There had never been any problem. She said she always
wondered on the two story buildings if they had an elevator or an inside
staircase for the second story. Mr. Smith said that they could ask the
applicant whether this one would have an elevator or stairs. Commissioner
Jonathan asked if other facilities had lane demarcations or if staff had
considered the use of some kind of demarcations on the road that would
indicate a pull over area versus traffic flow area. He was concerned about
safety of cars loading or unloading. Mr. Smith said staff hadn't thought about
that but based on his experience with these facilities, the compliance level
would be quite low. He also indicated that there was an elevator in this
facility.
On the entrance off of Hovley, Chairperson Lopez asked if there was a right-
hand turn lane into the facility itself or if cars would enter off Hovley right out
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of the right-hand lane of the street. Mr. Smith said access would be right out
of the right lane of Hovley. Chairperson Lopez indicated that would mean it
would be the same for exiting, too. He said that was a concern because of
the speed on that road. He asked how far down the stop light was at
Corporate. Mr. Smith said 480 feet. Commissioner Jonathan asked if staff
considered a deceleration lane. Chairperson Lopez noted there could be some
good sized vehicles going in and out of there. His company had a storage
area in another facility and at times they had a 10-wheeler delivering palettes
of information to their store area and he was concerned about the access
being difficult. Mr. Greenwood said that from a traffic perspective, they would
always take a right-turn lane or deceleration lane. If they compare the traffic
volume of this project to the Post Office directly next door, the Post Office had
10 times more traffic and probably more and didn't have the benefit of a right-
turn lane. It was something that would be nice and there were other areas
where they were working hard to get �ight-turn lanes, so it was one of those
would be nice things but they didn't have to have it. Commissioner Jonathan
asked what the down side to having it would be. Mr. Greenwood said the
cost to the applicant. Commissioner Jonathan asked if from the city's
perspective it would only be a benefit. Mr. Greenwood said he thought so. �
He noted that Mr. Smith pointed out that the driveway was too close to the "'�
Post Office to get a right-turn lane in there. Most of the improvements would
end up being on the Post Office frontage and it was very difficult working with
the federal government. It would put a burden on the city to have to work
with them getting applications considered. Chairperson Lopez suggested
considering moving the main entrance down to where the main exit is now and
having the traffic flow so that there could be a right-hand lane going in there.
He wasn't thinking about the amount of traffic going in there, but the size of
the vehicles. He also wondered if the applicant would allow fifth wheels and
boats in there and other types of recreational vehicles. That could also create
a situation when trying to get into the parking area without having a right-turn
lane there.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if there was an estimate of daily trips proposed
for this facility or perhaps how many units there would be. M�. Smith said
that in the environmental documentation there would be 218 weekday trips
and 203 on Saturday. Commissioner Tschopp asked how many hours per day
the facility would be open. Mr. Smith deferred the question to the applicant.
Commissioner Jonathan said that the thought of moving the westerly driveway
toward the east to be centered in front of the building, he asked if that was
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something that would conceivably work thereby creating enough room for a
right-turn lane. Mr. Smith said probably. Then they would have people
making an immediate right turn in order to get back or a left turn. He said it
still left that difficulty of getting large vehicles back out to the street.
Commissioner Jonathan pointed out that there were ways to resolve that. The
building could be set back further to allow enough room to line up and make
a right turn coming into a center located driveway. He wanted to know if that
would flow from a traffic standpoint.
Chairperson Lopez o�ened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. RICK WALLIS, Valli Architecture Group, 81 Columbia, Suite 200
in Aliso Viejo, said that as far as parking, it lined up right by the units.
The elevators were cater corner to each other and the units were off set
diagonally from each other. He said that self-storage uses were low
traffic trip generators and for some of their projects in the past they had
done traffic studies. Their office typically used the National Institute of
� Traffic figures which gave a range and they broke it down scientifically
for .017 trips per 1 ,000 square feet, so that would be about 15 trips
per hour. He thought the usage usually leveled off during the
weekends. He said there would be a little over 600 units. On the site
plan it indicated that they were proposing to have a left-hand turn break
at median and asked for clarification about the right turn only.
Mr. Smith said that per condition number 13 from Public Works, they didn't
entertain left-turn movements at that point.
Regarding the slow down right-turn lane, Mr. Wallis suggested flipping
the whole project on its axis. He thought that would provide the
solution of having the right-turn in and out. There would be a longer
area of curb.
Commissioner Jonathan asked how the tratfic would flow on the inside if they
still retained a one-way circulation.
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Mr. Wallis said it would just be reversed. He pointed out that the
access gate would be controlled by the office. He also indicated that
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access to the second floor wouid be restricted to persons with units
only.
Chairperson Lopez asked how many units would be on the second floor.
Mr. Wallis said that as part of their package they had a unit mix plan
and he didn't have it broken down and tabulated from floor to floor, he
just had the total. Typically there were more units on the second floor
because they were smaller. Consequently, there were also more
hallways. The smaller stuff could get into the elevator for those smaller
units.
Commissioner Campbell felt this facility was more organized than the one she
uses and there was also one on Joni Drive which had the gate right on the
doorway. Here they could just pull right in and wouldn't hinder traffic.
M�. Wallis agreed that there was plenty of room to stack cars. Typically
the parking stalls were outside the gate for people with inquiries. Once
they had a unit, they would have access. He felt eight stalls were '
adequate for that use for those ten minute visits to find out what might �
be available.
Commissioner Tschopp said that during peak periods there would be an
average of 15 trips.
Mr. Wallis concurred. He said that gate access was usually from 7:00
a.m. to 7:00 p.m. daily. If someone already had a unit, they already
had that access.
Chairperson Lopez asked if the applicant had a facility like this already in
operation that had two stories and elevators.
Mr. Wallis said yes, his office has done 30 to 40 of them last year.
Chairperson Lopez said he had limited experience with two-story facilities. He
has used several that were one story units. He was concerned about several
people needing access to their upstairs units and if they parked in front of the
units below to go in because there were only six parking spaces and sorneone
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then pulled up and wanted to use the unit downstairs, he asked how could he
get to his unit if there was a car parked in front of it.
Mr. Wallis said that typically if someone was in front of your unit that
person would be back within five or ten minutes at the most. There
could be a dolly full of stuff being moved in or out. He said the average
stay was typically 20 minutes. That was after all the units were
occupied. The way the market has been going on some of their
projects, they are full within six months to one year. He said he just
completed a project in Glendale. Glendale did request that they mark
parking stalls along the outside and maintain the 30-foot driveway.
That left plenty of room for the Fire Department access and parking on
one side. That project was about 136,000 square feet.
Chairperson Lopez asked if the proposed facility would allow any storage of
recreational vehicles or boats along the back driveway.
Mr. Wallis said outside storage along the channel would not be allowed.
Storage had to be inside. There wouldn't be enough room available
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Mr. Smith indicated the Fire Department would be opposed.
Chairperson Lopez asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION
to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was closed.
Chairperson Lopez asked for commission comments or action.
Commissioner Campbell said that there was no gate on Hovley so access
would be easier. Whenever she visits the facility she uses, there wasn't a line
of cars waiting. She was in favor of the proposal and moved for approval.
Commissioner Finerty concurred with Commissioner Campbell. She didn't
believe based on the 218 weekday trips that a deceleration lane would be
required. If it was required any where it should be at the Post Office.
Commissioner Jonathan commented that the Post Office was a nightmare, but
they didn't have control over it. Staff indicated there wasn't a down side, only
an up side to having a deceleration lane and he thought it was simply a matter
of moving the main access down to the east side of the project and everything
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else would still flow the same if they just flipped it. He thought there was no
reason not to do a deceleration lane. Travel on Hovley easterly was difficult.
People go fast, there was Carter Elementary School, there was the soccer park
which had a very good deceleration and acceleration lane with right-turn in and
right-turn out access and it worked. He didn't see a down side to it. They
weren't taking space away from the applicant's buildings. He thought it could
prevent stoppage on Hovley, which was something to be avoided. He was in
favor of a deceleration lane and flipping the access from the west side of the
project to the east. Mr. Drell explained that a deceleration lane would either
take room away from the building or landscaping. Right-of-way would have
to come out of one or the other. If that was a requirement, the commission
would have to say where they wanted to take it from. Commissioner
Jonathan asked what would happen to the sidewalk. Mr. Drell said that with
a deceleration lane, the sidewalk would be pushed back 12 feet unless it was
eliminated. Commissioner Jonathan asked if the sidewalk we�e eliminated,
how much would be needed. Mr. Drell said that the sidewalk was eight feet,
but he didn't think they wanted to remove it. Commissioner Jonathan said
he's never seen anyone walking on Hovley, but he respected that. Mr. Drell }
said that Marriott Timeshare folks walk on their side. Mr. Greenwood said that �
it had been quite an issue with students at Carter School having a path on the
south side. Although it was a limited number, three or four students, it meant
a lot to those students and their parents. Commissioner Jonathan pointed out
that there would be a down side then because they would lose either
landscaping or building area.
Commissioner Campbell felt the driveway was in the right area, because
people going to the Post Office were slowing down already to go in instead of
having the proposed project's access further down and they would pick up
speed. She didn't think it would be as much of an impact in the proposed
location.
Mr. Drell said that when the commission was hearing 15 trips per peak hour
or 200 trips per day that was a two-way trip. So there were 7.5 customers
per hour or 100 customers per day.
Commissioner Tschopp didn't think the day trips during the peak hours
warranted additional expense on the applicant or conditions. At the same time
he heard the applicant say that to flip the entrances wouldn't be a problem and �
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at the Post Office, he thought they should look at it. But he didn't have a
problem with ihe way the project was proposed. The problem wasn't the
applicant, it was the Post Office.
Chairperson Lopez said that he had a couple of concerns. One was safety on
Hovley. He spent a lot of time riding and walking that particular street and
traffic moved along at a fairly rapid speed and traffic seemed to be increasing.
The facility not warranting a lot of trips was one thing that was swaying him.
It was a limited number and he didn't think he'd ever pulled in front of a
storage area and had to wait any amount of time to get in. They really just
got in and were usually the only one there and rarely saw anyone else. He
would rather see it flipped and rather see a slow down right lane on the facility
itself, but he was also concerned about the landscaping in the front. He said
that bicycles couldn't be ridden on the street. They had to ride on the
sidewalk. They needed the sidewalk and the landscaping. Based on that he
would be in favor and asked for commission action.
Action:
� It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion ca�ried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2052, approving PP 00-26,
subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
C. Case No. CUP 01-03 - VERIZON; 02 WIRELESS SOLUTIONS, Applicant
Request for approval of a Conditional Use Permit to allow the
installation of a 65' high wireless communication tower on
property located at 77-850 Country Club Drive.
Mr. Alvarez said that the request was for a 65-foot mono palm. Pictures were
distributed to the commission in their packets that described the location. This
was the retention basin behind Desert Country Plaza, the 20-acre commercial
master plan that backed up to I-10 and had frontage on Country Club and the
newly created street Desert Country Circfe. In the staff report he described
the applicant's proposal. The location was about 60 feet west of the existing
65-foot mono palm also along the retention basin. The applicant's lease area
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was a 20 by 30 space. There were two existing date palms as part of a
grouping of nine. These two would be relocated to other areas and this was
the new lease area for Verizon. He showed the location of the existing
equipment shelter and eight-foot block wa{I which enclosed Nextel's existing
approval. He showed a photo of the existing installation and the grove of
natural palms. When heading east, the last two natural palms would be
relocated and that's where the proposed mono palm would be installed. There
was a couple of issues that needed to be addressed. First is the equipment
shelter. ARC on February 27 reviewed the project and unanimously approved
the project with a condition that the equipment shelter be lowered two feet or
that the pad on which the equipment would sit would be lowered two feet.
They were trying to achieve a full screening of the equipment shelter. The
proposed equipment shelter was 10 feet 6 inches. The existing equipment
shelter used by Nextel was an eight-foot block wall as required by the
ordinance. It substantially screened the equipment which was ten feet. He
stated that the applicant filed an appeal of that condition and that would be
deferred to the City Council. He said they were looking for a recommendation
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from the Planning Commission to move along before the City Council. Staff's
position was basically that they have seen how much an eight-foot wall would
screen a ten-foot structure and it substantially screens it. It was also behind
the existing shopping center and backs up to the railroad and that would be
taken up with the City Council. The second issue to be addressed was the
digital data dish. The applicant wanted a four-foot dish installed an the mono
palm itself. Staff's position was that this dish should be removed and wasn't
camouflaged and it detracted from the somewhat realistic appearance of the
mono palm. As a condition of approval, they required the removal of the dish
and required the installation of an eight-foot block wall around the shelter with
a smooth stucco finish to match the shopping center and Nextel's installation.
In terms of ordinance requirements, the only issue which had arisen was the
separation requirements between towers. He noted that a recent amendment
allowed the commission to waive the separation requirement when stealth
design was used. In this instance the applicant was using an artificial mono
palm which staff felt successfully camouflaged the antennas and warranted
waiving the separation requirement. Mr. Alvarez indicated that there were
conditions of approval which staff felt addressed the issues described. Staff
recommended approval of the project subject to conditions. The project was
a Class 3 categorical exemption for CEQA purposes.
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Chairperson Lopez o�ened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. HANK HOWENSTEIN, 9090 Calle Escorial in Desert Hot Springs,
addressed the commission. He thanked the commission for the
opportunity to address them and also thanked staff for their efforts. He
felt the issues were not great and appreciated the recommendation of
approval by staff and the furtherance of that approval by ARC. The
issue before them was the separation from the existing mono palm by
Nextel which was only 60 feet to the east, however, with the change
in zone text in Palm Desert, with the Planning Commission's approval
it is permitted to be in that distance. The other issue which was
dramatically shown was the nature of the equipment building and the
surrounding block wall. He said they have no difficulty in increasing the
height of that wall to eight feet. They had no difficulty in changing the
finish from slump stone to stucco coating finish that would match the
building and selecting a color to match the color of the shopping center.
He said they looked to find equipment buildings that were lower in
� height and were unable to find any at this time. Therefore, they would
also agree to paint the color of the equipment building the same color
as the wall, which meant the two would sort of blend into one another.
One of the difficulties with Nextel, his equipment building and the
existing wall, was that the building was a darker, gravely texture which
made it a stark standout against the block wall, but if the two were the
same color they would have a great deal of similarity. He hoped that
the commission would recommend to the City Council that they allow
them to go forward with a 10'6" building. The only issue they had that
he thought was significant was the requirement that they remove the
dish. Here they were getting into an issue of technology and there were
only two companies that currently use the digital dish system. The
other carriers continued to use land lines, but the technology was
moving toward the digital dish. The reason was that the digital dish
was much more efficient, faster, it carried a greater vo(ume of calls, it
was less susceptible to break down in the event of an emergency like
an earthquake and produced a much higher quality of service and the
cost per transmission of call was about one-tenth with a digital dish.
The alternative to a digital dish was land lines and throughout the valley
those were probably all fiber optics. While they were fast, they weren't
as fast as transmission by digital dish. The digital dish would face north
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so that from the heavily traveled Country Club it wouldn't be seen in its
robust fullness of four feet, but rather as an inter�upted hemisphere.
Looking at it from the other direction, to the north, it would be tough to
spot as they were coming down. He urged that the commission
approve the project with the modifications of conditions 10 and 1 1 .
Commissioner Finerty noted that the ARC minutes of February 27 stated that
Mr. Hank Howenstein, the applicant's representative, while he could not
answer without verification, he stated that he had found some new equipment
which had a six-foot height, rather than an eight-foot height, which would
allow them to lower the building height.
Mr. Howenstein stated that was for externally mounted equipment, not
the equipment that going into the building. He said he didn't know the
technology. In locating one of these in the city park in the city of
Riverside, they were able to find lower equipment. But there they had
a different situation because it was out and exposed and had a greater
cooling capacity whereas here these units generated a great deal of heat ;
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Commissioner Finerty asked for clarification that Mr. Howenstein was saying
that they needed the 10'6" height.
Mr. Howenstein concurred.
Commissioner Campbell asked if the dish could be moved up any higher to
camouflage it a bit by the palms.
Mr. Howenstein said that was a good question, but he didn't know the
answer. He indicated he didn't know what the level of separation had
to be between the antenna and the dish. He said he would ask that
question for future reference.
Commissioner Tschopp asked how big the data dish would be on the palm.
Mr. Howenstein said it would be four feet in diameter. When looking
at it from the south, they would really only see one foot of that on
either side of the pole. The pole was a little greater than 28 inches.
They vary in size between 20 and 28 inches depending upon what they
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need to meet building requirements, so if they subtracted that from the
48, it would leave about one foot on either side of the pole when
looking at it from the south.
Chairperson Lopez indicated that the applicant wanted the commission to
adjust conditions 10 and 1 1 regarding the wall height and the dish.
Mr. Howenstein said they had no difficulty with the wall height at eight
feet so the only condition they were cancerned with was condition 10,
which would allow the building to go as originally designed at 10'6" and
to eliminate number 1 1 .
Chairperson Lopez noted that the staff recommendation was to move ahead
with the application with the current conditions of approval. He noted ihat ihe
applicant would have the right to appeal any decision to the City Council.
Mr. Howenstein concurred. He said the commission's option tonight
was to adopt staff's recommendation and move forward as it is or if
� they wanted to make specific comments on either of the two requests
which he made.
Commissioner Finerty asked if the ordinance addressed whether or not there
could be dishes. Mr. Alvarez said no, it was currently silent. Commissioner
Campbell noted that there were other towers in the city now with dishes all
over them. Mr. Alvarez said not that he was aware of. Nextel's site to the
east was allowed a temporary dish for 90 days to allow them to secure a land
line. Commissioner Campbell said she wasn't talking about the palm trees, but
existing towers that had dishes attached all over them. Mr. Drel! said that
communication towers in general had dishes on them. Mr. Alvarez said those
weren't the mono palms. Commissioner Campbell said that they had dishes
attached to those other towers which were more of an eyesore. Mr. Drell said
that the next application that would be coming to the commission was going
to be a mono palm in the city's soccer field. The explanation he heard from
the Sprint representative was that it had to do with the distance between their
land line connection to a phone and the palm. Based on the distance they had,
they also wanted a dish. There would be a project next door, 15 to 20 feet
away from them, and at that point in time when they did have close proximity
to a land line, they said it wouldn't be a problem connecting to it. It was a
function of distance. The more that were transferring through the line, the
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more interference. Commissioner Campbell said that staff recommended that
it be camouflaged, but she felt the way it faced to the north, people from the
freeway would not be able to see the dish o� that the palm tree was artificial.
Mr. Drell said that he also assumed that the dish could be painted in the same
brown tone as the tree trunk.
Chairperson Lopez asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION
to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing was closed.
Chairperson Lopez asked for commission comments or action.
Commissioner Finerty concurred with ARC's condition that the equipment
shelter be lowered by two feet. She noted in the minutes that it was a 7-0
vote and they felt fairly strong about it. With regard to the dish, they worked
really hard on the ordinance and they wanted to make these towers as
aesthetically pleasing as possible. That was why they came up with the mono
palm and it had to be clustered and she believed that the dish negated that.
So she also concurred with staff's condition that the dish be removed.
Commissioner Jonathan said he didn't have a problem with the 10'6" because �
of the location. He wasn't sure ARC was aware of the technical difficulties
and apparent impossibilities of getting the equipment into an 8'6" area. He
was willing to live with that. He also felt the separation was acceptable for
that area and he thought it would be a huge step backward for them to reduce
their standards. They worked hard to get them to the point where if they
were going to be looking at these, then at least they had gotten them to the
point that they were somewhat camouflaged by looking like trees. Now to put
up some metal within eyesight would be a huge step backwards and he would
be vehemently opposed that. He was in complete concurrence with the staff
report, which would mean deleting condition number 10 but retaining number
1 1 and he was prepared to move for approval on that basis.
Commissioner Campbell concurred with Commissioner Jonathan and said she
would second the motion.
Commissioner Tschopp concurred but noted there were exceptions to the
rules. A data dish that small facing Interstate 10 he didn't feel would be a
disruption to anyone in Palm Desert and most people going 90 mph down
Interstate 10 wouldn't notice it. So he felt there were exceptions. �
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Commissioner Tschopp said he didn't disagree, but felt they would be seeing
those anyway in the future just like they have seen the proliferation of dishes
on people's homes or in their backyards. Commissioner Jonathan said they
wouldn't see them if the city didn't allow them. Commissioner Tschopp said
they would see those types of appeals anyway and this one he felt as far as
exceptions go facing Interstate 10 with no impact on residential or even
commercial areas and didn't see it as a big problem. Commissioner Jonathan
pointed out that the dish was four feet wide and would be clearly visible from
all directions. Even from the rear it protruded on both sides.
Chairperson Lopez said he agreed. He didn't have a problem with the height
of the building considering where it was located. He did have a problem with
the dish and while that might be the wave of the future, somehow they would
have to come up with an ordinance change or revision to address this element
in the future and how they could be hidden. Under the current situation he
would be in favor of the recommendation to eliminate condition number 10.
He called for the vote.
� Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 4-1
(Commissioner Finerty voted no).
Move by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner Campbell,
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2053, approving CUP 01-03,
subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried 4-1 (Commissioner Finerty
voted no).
D. Case No. CUP 00-14 - RHL DESIGN GROUP, INC., for MOBIL OIL
CORPORATION, Applicant
Request for approval of a Conditional Use Permit to allow the
remodel and conversion of existing service bays into a 2,479
square foot convenience store and the construction of a 1 ,152
square foot self-service car wash facility located at the
southwest corner of Country Club Drive and Washington Street,
78-005 Country Club Drive.
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Mr. Alvarez noted that the proposal consisted of three items. As described in
the staff report, the request was to convert the three existing service bays for
the Mobil Station at Washington and Country Club into a 2,479 square foot
convenience store. There was an existing canopy which would not be
modified except for adding signage. The�e was a 1 ,152 square foot car wash
facility. He pointed out the location of a vacant pad which was part of the
larger site purchased by Mobil. He noted that Planning Commission approved
a nearby self-storage facility and was considering a lube facility which was
removed from that approval due to the inadequate buffering and landscaping
along Washington. In terms of architecture, there would be the remodel into
the convenience store maintaining the southwestern architectural theme.
Minor modifications were made which included the store front remodel and
some architectural detailing. The convenience store was 14'6" and there was
a new architectural element which would extend to about 19 feet over the
entrance of the convenience store. The car wash facility would maintain the
same southwest architectural theme as the convenience store. The
convenience store was 16'6", all within the height limits of the Planned
Commercial zone. The city and the applicant worked hard to come up with a
landscape concept and design which would adequately provide significant
landscaping near the entrance to screen the car wash facility and a whole new
make over would occur for the site in terms of landscaping. The site would
provide 18 off street parking spaces. The convenience store required ten and
the additional eight spaces would be primarily used by customers of the self-
service car wash facility when they needed to finish drying the vehicle or use
the air/water/vacuum facility. Staff believed that eight additional spaces were
sufficient to meet the self-service facility. Obviously the ten spaces could be
accommodated for the convenience store. In commission packets, they also
got copies of the signage that Architectural Commission approved. Basically
it allowed a new sign over the convenience store entrance, a new sign on the
back side of the convenience store building reading "Mobil," a new sign on the
car wash facility, and each of those were included in the plans. In terms of
setbacks, height, coverage, and parking, the project met all the Zoning
Ordinance requirements for the Planned Commercial Disirict. On February 27,
2001 , the Architectural Review Commission voted unanimously to approve the
architecture, signage, and landscaping subject to conditions. Those conditions
were on page four of the staff report and had been addressed. The project
was a Class 3 categorical exemption for CEQA purposes and he recommended
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Commissioner Campbell noted that there was an Interoffice Memorandum from
the Department of Building & Safety. Item two required that disabled access
and parking needed to be closest to the entry of the store without passing
behind other vehicles and that the ramp was not in an acceptable location.
Mr. Alvarez stated that those were building code issues which would be
addressed prior to the issuance of a permit, but he believed that they were
asking that the handicapped parking stalls be moved to the closest point to the
store so that they weren't asking someone that was disabled to walk across
or behind parking stails which might have vehicles backing up. Commissioner
Campbell also noted that there was a memo from Deputy Conley. Mr. Alvarez
said those were recommendations by the Sheriff's Department in terms of
safety. They could be made conditions if the commission wished to explicitly
outline them. Commissioner Campbell said not necessarily make them
conditions, she just wanted to make su�e they were taken into consideration.
Mr. Alvarez concurred.
Chairperson Lopez asked if there would be monument signs on the street. Mr.
Alvarez said yes. There would be one on Washington and one on Country
� Club. It was currently existing but redesigned. Commissioner Jonathan asked
if there was one on the structure also which had been reduced. Mr. Alvarez
said that there was existing signage on the front side. They just identified the
name of the plaza. That would be removed and a new sign on the wall would
be implemented. That was the Mobil sign.
Chairperson Lopez o�ened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the commission.
MR. LEE COITZ, the Project Architect with RHL Design Group, stated
that he was representing Exxon Mobil. He said that they worked very
hard to comply with all the requirements of the city. He felt that they
had a good project at a gateway into the city with their landscaping and
cleaning up that corner which was now fairly void of plants and they
were also landscaping the island on Country Club. The issue of
screening the car wash had been addressed. Th�e car wash was quite
a distance from the street to begin with and had a great deal of
landscaping to buffer the view from there. The landscaping also
screened the canopy which was a flat structure, but it also mitigated
that impact. The current building had three service bays in it but they
weren't used. It was now being used as storage. Making it into a
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convenience store would enhance the whole corner and bring some
revenue to the company, but right now it was an eyesore facility and
they wanted to bring it up to standards. One thing not mentioned in the
report, the stacking lane for the car wash, the serpentine area behind
some plantings, so the cars that were in stack lanes (four or five cars)
would be able to get it. They wouldn't be seen from the street because
of the landscaping. Plus when the development to the west developed,
that side of the building was also landscaped. There was four-sided
architecture here. He said it had been a pleasure to work with staff to
get to this point. Comments regarding the ADA parking access could
be worked out with the Building Department once they received
approval.
Chairperson Lopez asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION
to the proposed project. There was no one and the public hearing was closed.
Chairperson Lopez asked for commission comments or action.
Commissioner Jonathan said that he was at the Architectural Review '
Commission meeting when they considered this matter and they went through �
this with a fine tooth comb as they do every project. He said he has been at
a couple of ARC meetings and he impressed with those individuals and all the
time and care they take with every small detail and as a result, he thought the
Planning Commission's job was made easier. At this point he thought it was
a wonderful improvement to the existing buildings that are out there and he
was prepared to move for approval.
Commissioner Finerty concurred with Commissioner Jonathan. She felt that
the significant improvement had to do with the landscaping and she was really
looking forward to seeing that.
Commissioner Campbell stated that she also concurred and if that was a
motion, she would second it.
Commissioner Tschopp said he had nothing to add and agreed with previous
comments.
Chairperson Lope2 also agreed and thought it would be a tremendous
improvement to that corner. He has utilized that facility for gas, but it would ¢
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be a tremendous improvement on that corner. If it looked like the drawings
they were shown, it would be wonderful. He called for the vote.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2054, approving CUP
00-14, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
E. Case No. CUP 94-2 AMENDMENT #1 - MICHAEL CASTELLI, Applicant
Request for approval of an Amendment to a Conditional Use
Permit to allow the 1 ,308 square foot expansion (880 square
feet of dining, 428 square feet of office) to an existing 3,900
square foot restaurant at 73-098 Highway 1 1 1 (Andreino's1.
� Mr. Drell said that staff would be recommending a two-week continuance
based on a request by the applicant. The staff report described the request.
He said that this was an example of a successful attempt to try to implement
the recommendations of the Core Commercial Plan and Palma Village Plan
relative to rehabilitation and expansion of businesses on the north side of
Highway 11 1 . Unfortunately, the city had never caught up with them in terms
of helping to implement the plan around them. They were working on it but
hadn't gotten there yet. In terms of this application, they were still going to
have to ►ely on contracting for offsite spaces. The applicant has gone through
this before. With this application he would have to go to 40. He noted that
there was a letter received from Palm Desert Pet Hospital where he now
contracts for 13 spaces. The vet wasn't proposing to renew that contract,
but it was his understanding that Mr. Castelli would contract for all 40 spaces
with the bank. That was a condition of approval that he would have to meet.
Long range, parking was to be provided by the extension of the rear parking
plan that would extend from the existing Walgreens parking lot. Another
question that came up in another letter had to do with loading and how the
expansion would affect loading. The plan included maintaining a 20-foot wide
space between the building and the property line to allow for a loading access
to the rear of the kitchen. So they would still have direct off the alley loading
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for the facility with the expansion. The applicant requested a two-week
continuance and Mr. Drell said that staff was prepared to recommend approval
at that time.
Commissioner Finerty asked if this would have an opportunity to go to ARC
before it came back to the Planning Commission. Mr. Drell said yes and
explained that it went to ARC once and they made some suggestions on
enhancements to the elevations and he would be going back next Tuesday.
Commissioner Finerty said it was really hard to envision the improvements
they were planning to make. Mr. Drell asked if she meant in terms of the
elevations or the site plan. Commissioner Finerty said it was difficult to
determine how it would took as a finished product. Mr. Drell said that as
proposed it would be a big square block. That was not deemed acceptable.
Hopefully when the plan was fully implemented it would be facing a public
parking lot, so ARC was requiring that he add architecture to that back end
which was more appropriate for an elevation viewed by the public. As
proposed in the plan it was a big block and they were relying on the
landscaping in front to mitigate the appearance of what was a blank, square �
structure. They would be seeing the revisions next Tuesday before ARC. �
There were some suggestions of creating arches in the back and coordinating
landscaping with the arches and changing windows. Commissioner Finerty
asked if they would have some pretty pictures to show what the finished
product would look like. Mr. Drell concurred. He said they would have a
modified elevation when it came back.
Chairpe�son Lopez o ened the public hearing and asked if the applicant wished
to address the commission. The applicant was not present. Chairperson
Lopez asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the
proposal. There was no one. The public hearing was left open and
Chairperson Lopez asked for commission comments or action.
Commissioner Finerty said that she would move for a two-week continuance.
Commissioner Jonathan stated that he thought Commissioner Finerty's point
was very well made. He for one would have a difficult time approving
anything when he had no idea what it looked like. He would certainly like to
see what this project would look like built out. He was also interested to see
how the interim parking arrangement would work, as well as the projected
long-term parking for the site. Mr. Drell concurred. Commissioner Tschopp
stated for the record that he would be abstaining from this vote. �
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Campbell,
continuing CUP 94-2 Amendment #1 to April 3, 2001 by minute motion.
Motion carried 4-0-1 (Commissioner Tschopp abstained).
F. Case Nos. GPA 01-01, C/Z 01-01, PP 01-01 - CITY OF PALM DESERT,
App�icant
Request for approval of a Negative Declaration of Environmental
Impact; a General Plan Amendment from Hillside Planned
Residential to Park; a Change of Zone from Hillside Planned
Residential, Drainage (HPR, D) to Open Space, Drainage (OS, D);
and a Precise Plan of Design to allow the construction of a 27-
acre park with a parking lot, restroom, picnic pavilions, tot lot,
basketball court, volleyball court, dog run area, multi-use trails
and other related facilities at 72-500 Thrush Road, APNs 628-
050-002, 628-050-018, 628-150-001 , 628-260-058.
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Mr. Winklepleck explained that the current site was vacant with a few
scattered shrubs and trees. The site had been used for illegal dumping. There
were quite a few people that used the site to walk their dogs. There had also
been some indication that it has been used as a homeless encampment. The
City bought the 27 acres last year with the intent to keep it primarily as open
space to provide an open space park and also a connection as part of the
Cahuilla Hills hillside area to try to maintain the hillsides as vacant as possible.
On the south side of the project the site was crossed by South Cliff Road.
That was approximately 900 feet south of the Thrush Road Bridge. It
accessed the six existing hillside homes and five undeveloped lots. The area
west/ southwest of the bridge had historically been used for parking and easy
off road access onto the site. The City was able to obtain palm logs from a
grower in Indio. They delineated the area to try and stop some of the off road
vehicles. There were additional palm logs to use to delineate the entire park.
He said it was not the intent of the city to put up fencing o� walls as that isn't
in accordance with the city's vision of the hillsides. Mr. Winklepleck said the
site was 27 acres and the current design for the open space park included a
36-space parking lot, a �estroom, picnic pavilions, tot lot, volleyball court,
basketball court, a green area, a dog run area, and multi use trails. This was
the suggestion of the Parks and Recreation Commission and it represented the
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most intense proposal. He said that upon meeting with the adjacent property
owners at Indian Creek Villas who represented the majority of population in the
area, there wasn't an apparent desire to have any active facilities. Typically
at these types of ineetings people give a list of what they want to see like
basketball courts and tot lots. There didn't seem to be a lot of interest in any
of those things. Based on that, staff was recommending that they look at this
as phase one. Phase one would essentially include the parking lot, a small
restroom, a picnic pavilion, and the onsite multi use trails. The park was
designed to be used as a stand alone facility with the onsite trails. It was also
intended to serve as a trail head for a future trail connection system into ihe
Cahuilla Hills area. This was important in staff's mind and staff has been
working with BLM, the Department of Fish and Game and Department of Fish
and Wildlife with the closures of all the trails that people hike on during the
season for the bighorn sheep lambing. Staff's contention with BLM was that
we would provide an area for people to hike and walk their dogs. The u{timate
goal would be to connect this trail firstly with the Cahuilla Hills Park, if
possible with the Art Smith Trail, and eventually with the Bump and Grind Trail
that comes out of Rancho Mirage. Those were long-term goals. Tonight they
were just looking at the park site. As far as the issues that typically come up �
with a park site, that included lighting. There was no lighting proposed at this
site other than needed security lighting at the restroom facility. It was
proposed to be a dawn to dusk facility with no after hours activities. Staff
based the design of this project primarily on that of Ironwood Park. That was
the model for this park. Ironwood was 14 acres. This one would be 27 acres.
As proposed with the phase one, it was less intense than Ironwood. Noise
was also an issue that came up. Staff believed that with a lack of active
facilities like basketball, volleyball, etc., there would be much less of a chance
for loud noise. But there was always a chance that people would gather and
make noise. Noise levels should not and typically did not in any of the city
parks exceed the maximum residential requirements. As such, they would
have the same requirements at this park as at other parks with no amplified
music. As a park they would have it patrolled more often by the Sheriff's
Department and they would have a little more control than they do now. The
same �ules would apply to this park as other parks. No alcohol, no overnight
camping, and no amplified music would be allowed at this site. Traffic was
also brought up. In studying the transportation engineer's guides, there was
a wide range of traffic figures they used for parks. It warns not to use them
too strictly. Staff looked at primarily Ironwood Park and the amount of use
there. The primary usage at parks was weekend mornings and occasionally
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on some evenings. Ironwood Park had a tot lot area and from what he has
seen families primarily were gathering there. At this site staff would anticipate
something similar, but as opposed to tots there would be people coming to use
it to hike and walk their dogs. Staff was anticipating Saturday and Sunday
mornings as the peak hours. With the 36-space parking lot, they didn't
anticipate a lot of people. The request was also to change the Hillside Planned
Residential General Plan designation to Park designation. This would be done
to reflect the current and future use of the site. The Conservation Open Space
Recreation Element of the General Plan would also be revised to include this
was a designated park. The change of zone would be from a Hillside Planned
Residential designation to a more appropriate Open Space, Drainage
designation. It would also more properly identify and include it as open space
in the city. As identified in the current Hillside Planned Residential zoning, the
use was currently allowed. The current use could include up to 81 units on
this site, approximately three units per acre. Staff felt an open space park was
much less intense a proposal. With the phase one recommendation by staff,
there wasn't a lot of project data to provide. The site size is 27 acres and 36
spaces for parking. The building height although it is 18 feet max, staff has
�, investigated some prefabricated, split face restroom structures that they could
install here. They were approximately 13 feet in height and that was to the
ridge. If approved, staff would work with residents and Architectural
Commission to see if there was something that needed to be done to further
disguise it. He said that staff has consulted with U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service regarding the use of dogs on this site and access of dogs up into the
trails and access as it relates to the bighorn sheep recovery plan. He explained
that the city likes this site as a dog use site as it is located in a fairly
developed area adjacent to the channel with quite a few units across the
channel and some homes between it and the more sensitive areas. The City
requested a letter from the Department of Fish and Game but it had not yet
been received. He said there were a couple of letters that were received. The
first was from Richard and Marilyn Fromme. It appeared to staff that their
letter was more indicative of the proposal of the trail use, a separate project
staff would have to run through the commission and it mentioned rocks being
thrown at their property and that would be addressed at that time. Their
second concern related to the palm logs along the perimeter and termites.
Staff spoke to a District Conservationist from the Natural Resources
Conservation Service. They were basically the professionals that work with
date growers. Spencer Knight from the city spoke with them and he indicated
that the palms were monocots versus other trees which are dicots. Because
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of the carbon and nitrogen ratio, typically termites didn't like monocots. If
there was a concern, staff could look at treating the palm logs prior to
installation just to ensure that there weren't any. The next letter was from
Dorie Cree. It was a fairly long letter. Her primary concern was the location
of the facilities. He said he told her that the plan was drawn essentially where
the current main activity takes place. They attempted to tuck some of the
parking area behind an existing hillside that sits in the middle of the site and
the restroom and picnic pavilion. City staff was willing to look at moving the
location. There was a lot of area to work with. Moving it north of the bridge
was a concern. Putting in a bathroom or picnic pavilion away from where it
would get the most visibility was a concern because of loiterers and
vandalism. Staff was willing to consider other locations. He noted that Ms.
Cree owns 30 acres of which 15 or 20 acres were directly adjacent to the
park to the west. The last letter was from Mr. and Mrs. Aplet, who also
owned property adjacent to the park to the west, but a little farther north.
There were quite a few concerns and he would try to answer them. 1 ) They
felt the city was proceeding with the proposed park development without
appropriate environrnental reviews. He said he was assuming that he was
talking about the temporary parking area that was installed. As such, basically �
what they did was try to keep off road vehicles off the site. If Mr. and Mrs.
Aplet were speaking about the proposed project, staff had gone through the
standard CEQA requirements. 2) Insufficient review of potential traffic hazards
from increased vehicular traffic ac�oss Thrush Road Bridge. Based on the
city's experience with a similar facility, Ironwood Park, and Public Works
review, the increases in traffic were minimal and staff felt that the traffic had
been sufficiently reviewed and no change was required. 3) Inadequate review
of drainage for the park design. Mr. Winklepleck said that the majority of the
park would remain natural and the current drainage pattern wauld remain other
than where the parking or building area was developed. There was a condition
that any work on the site be approved through the Public Works Department
and they would apply any necessary drainage requirements. Number 4
addressed the temporary parking lot. He said it was a temporary measure to
limit off road vehicle access. 5) No. provision for adequate vehicular access
and/or control to the adjoining properties on the west border of the proposed
park. Possible violation of CEQA due to noise, dust and traffic that did not
now burden these properties. Mr. Winklepleck said that he assumed that they
were talking about people accessing their own property. According to the
plan, access was allowed on the west and at the north side of the property
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had been provided to the property. 6) Possible change in the nature of the
existing easement across their property from public to private. Again, Mr.
Winklepleck said that had more to do with the trail project than the current
project. It was the city's intent in the future to use this site as a trail head
eventually. But until they acquired permits and other approvals from BLM,
etc., and they have identified that the trail would be a project, when that was
done it would be a more appropriate time to address this. Number 7 was
regarding failure of adequate boundary identification, design or construction
of the park. It talked about preventing folks from accessing 7heir property,
avoiding potentially contentious or injurious confrontations between park users
and property owners, personal liability exposure of the adjoining owners,
preventing the unwanted accumulation of animal dung feces on the adjoining
properties, guarding against animal attacks, preventing damage to
environmentally sensitive hillsides by increased vehicular, pedestrian or animal
traffic that may be using the park, and reducing the likelihood of acts of
vandalism against private property. Mr. Winklepleck said that the palm logs
would serve as a demarcation. It was also staff's intent to adequately sign the
property to identify the park boundary. Other than putting up a wall or fence
or something to separate people from this site to other sites or private property
� and other than signing it, there wasn't a guarantee that the city could give that
someone wouldn't walk on someone else's property. If this is a park, there
would be patrols by the Sheriff's Department. Mr. Drell said that another good
example was Cahuilla Park which had picnic areas and a fairly active use of the
tennis courts. It has been in existence almost since city incorporation. There
were houses around it and a church. Once they provided adequate patrol, they
didn't have any of the sorts of problems as described in #7. It has been a very
quiet, fairly good neighbor for the surrounding uses. Mr. Winklepleck said
that item 8 said that any failure of the City of Palm Desert to provide adequate
or sufficient patrol of the park to prevent vandalism, alcohol consumption, loud
or noisy parties or any other activities that would disturb the serenity naturally
afforded residents of the area protected by the Hillside Planned Residential
District provisions. He said that was partially where the Sheriff's Department
comes in and where if there is an issue, people call the Sheriff's Department
and there was a learning curve. People were using that site as something
other than an open space park right now. There was evidence of that and
evidence of beer drinking. It was something that needed to be patrolled and
something that could be handled as it has been handled in the past. Staff was
comfortable with that. Mr. Drell said that under the Hillside Planned
Residential District this property could accommodate up to 60-70 residences.
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An alternative or more conventional land use under the current zoning would
be a bunch of homes that would bring in all these same impacts to a far
greater degree. Mr. Winklepleck felt #9 had been addressed. There was no
lighting proposed except for the restroom facility. It would be a dawn to dusk
park. Any park design or construction that would allow the connection of
electrical utilities in any manner not fully in accordance with the current city
ordinances. Mr. Winklepleck asked the Aplets to expand on that issue to
better answer their question. Any other result of the park development or
construction that could adversely affect their level of peace, tranquility, or
privacy now afforded residents in the area. Again, Mr. Winklepleck said that
under the current standards staff felt a much more intense project could go
here. The change of zone and change of general plan insured a less intense
project would be developed. 12) Any element of park design and/or
construction not preserving the intent and purpose of the Hillside Planned
Residential provisions. The park essentially met those provisions. In some
cases with walls and fences. That would be in direct conflict with our Hillside
Planned Residential Ordinance. He said that they try to avoid walls in the
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address on Florida and asked Mr. Winklepleck to show her where the Aplet's
property was located. Mr. Winklepleck did so. Commissioner Campbell asked
if Indian Creek Villas were condominiums. Mr. Winklepleck said they were
condominiums. As he understood it, quite a few of them were rented out.
They have an association and staff inet with them. It was a fairly nice project
that had been remodeled within the last five years. They were individually
owned. Mr. Drell said there were four units per building and typically an
owner would own the whole building. Commissioner Campbell asked if it was
considered low income housing. Mr. Drell said that it practically functioned
that way since the rents were quite reasonable, but it wasn't controlled in any
way by the City. Rents were set by the market.
Commissioner Jonathan asked what Mr. Winklepleck thought about the Thrush
Street Bridge and how it was angled. He asked if the increased usage would
mandate some kind upgrading of the bridge itself. Mr. Winklepleck said that
speaking with Public Works, the bridge handled residential traffic now and
staff didn't anticipate a lot of people walking across the bridge. There might
be a few, but probably no more than now. For vehicular access, that wasn't �
an issue. One issue that had been brought up by Ms. Cree that didn't show
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up in the letter was the issue of the CVWD frontage road along Paim Valley
Storm Channel and dust and additional traffic. The city was willing to look at
that and willing to look at treating it with some sort of asphalt and chip seal
similar to what was at BLM to try and hide it instead of using the standard
black asphalt. Or they could look at some sort of binder that seemed to work
on a fairly high used access path to maintain the natural look and keep the
dust down. They were willing to look at that. It was a CVWD access road
and the city would have to obtain approval from them. Commissioner
Jonathan asked if the bridge was wide enough for two-way passage. Mr.
Winklepleck said that he has been out there approximately 30 times in the last
15-20 days and there had been a few occasions when he has gone by car. On
a bikepath there was a small walking area on one side, but it was adequate for
vehicular traffic. He guessed that it was no less than a standard two-way
drive aisle at maybe 24 feet plus. Commissioner Jonathan asked if the parking
lot was dedicated for use of the park or if that was going to be in some way
shared with the church. Mr. Winklepleck said the intent of the parking lot was
to be used by the park. Like any public parking at any parks, if there was
something going on at the College, we get people parking at the Civic Center.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if there was a pending agreement between the
� church and the City for use of that parking lot. Mr. Drell said no, it was a
public parking lot. Like any other parking lot, the public could park there. It
would be illegal for the city to give any particular rights to the church any
different than any other member of the public. As members of the public,
people that go to that church would have the same right to park there as any
other member of the public. Commissioner Jonathan asked if that was a
concern of staff if that occurred. He asked if the parking lot was large enough
and if there was going to be an over demand for that parking lot and if the
bridge's capacity would then be exceeded. Mr. Drell said he didn't think the
bridge's capacity was a function of the number of trips that go over it.
Commissioner Jonathan felt that it had limited capacity in terms of the amount
of traffic it could handle. Mr. Drell said that was correct, but he didn't think
it was anything they could control. If it was congested, people would go
slower. It was not a concern at this time. At certain high periods like Easter
it was conceivable that as members of the public the people of the church
might take advantage of the parking lot there. The inconvenience would be
to the people trying to use it for that purpose. Commissioner Jonathan said
it would be to the people trying to use that park who couldn't find a parking
spot on Sunday morning. Mr. Drell didn't believe there was any way to
�estrict any member of the public using the park. Just like they couldn't
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restrict who uses pa�king on the street. Commissioner Jonathan thought it
was a design issue and the parking lot could be moved to a different part of
the park if it was a concern. It was possible based on some of the letters that
the design of the passive portion of the park was oriented toward the south
of Thrush Road Bridge. Based on the letters and if the parking lot usage was
an issue or a concern, then that whole area could be moved northward. Mr.
Drell said it could be, but in this particular case he thought the Aplets and the
Crees had divergent interests. One lived on the north side and one lived on the
south side. Whenever a park was installed, there were burdens and benefits
to people who live next to parks. He said that he lives next to a park very
much like this. It is an open space park that is occasionally used by people,
but 89% of the time it was vacant and he had free use of it. Every once in a
while it was used and he had to share it with the public. To him the trade off
was much better since he has an open field behind his house rather than a
residential subdivision. He said they try to equitably distribute the burdens.
They put the parking lot behind that knob to somewhat disguise it from the
Cree's property. The alternative was to put it by the dog run. Then it would
be shielded from view by the ridge that comes down. It would bring the �
activity a bit closer to the Aplet's property. They have private property '
owners along the entire length of the park and wherever they put the activity, "'�
it would affect one or more in a greater or lesser extent. The ideal solution
would be for the city to purchase all of the parcels fronting on the park. The
issue in terms of an impact was the location of the parking lot. They wanted
to keep it as close to the street as they could. Right now the temporary lot
was two rows of double loaded spaces and it was closer to a square than a
skinny rectangle. They could have one double loaded row going north and
south as close to the access road to keep it far away.
Commissioner Campbell asked if staff didn't have any problem about the
location of the park, why this parking lot was stuck right in the middle. It was
an eyesore. Mr. Winklepleck said that when they first came up with the
conceptual design, they looked at the location of the existing activity. They
designed it around the existing activity. The primary existing activity was
where the temporary parking lot is now and where the active areas of the
current design are located. Mr. Drell said that area had already been disturbed
and if they went out there they would see that people have driven all over it
so in doing the temporary parking lot, they didn't want to extend the area of
existing disturbance. What they did was smooth out the uneven area of ;
disturbance and delineated it with the palm logs. Commissioner Campbell said
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that the parking area was disturbed, but it was still all dirt. Now that area just
existed and looking at it from the pads up above, they were looking at that and
it was unsightly. Mr. Drell said that staff assumed it wouldn't be in that spot.
It had been pushed entirely to the south and actually where that parking lot
was now was where they showed the basketball court and volleyball court.
It had been pushed to the south in an attempt to screen it behind that knob.
If they felt it was more appropriate to push it to the north, it could be done.
Depending on where they put it, it would affect other property owners more
or less, but someone would be affected by it wherever it was located.
Commissioner Campbell said that if it was pushed to the north, ihere aren't
that many buildings that could be seen by the areas to the north if the city
purchased those three lots. Where they had it right now there were more
homes in that area that looked down on it. Mr. Drell said that was correct.
Commissioner Campbell asked why the parking lot was placed there to begin
with. Mr. Drell said that they didn't want to disturb any more area. Any area
that they disturbed if they had to change would be revegetated. They picked
an area already disturbed and it didn't have significant vegetation on it. They
anticipated that the parking lot would end up somewhere else and they didn't
� want to grade any natural areas until this process was done. He advised the
commission against thinking of the existing location of the parking lot as
prejudicing their decision. Commissioner Campbell asked how they proposed
to keep people out of the parking lot in the evening or at night. Mr.
Winklepleck said there wouldn't be any lights. That should assist partially. He
said that he had calls from five or six neighbors that were happy the city was
doing something. They typically call when they get off road vehicles running
through there. By the time the Sheriff usually shows up, they're gone. With
the palm logs, that would hopefully mitigate some of that. Also, if there were
teenage kids parking and drinking beer, they were typically not like off road
vehicles where they go in, tear it up, and then get out of there. The chances
of them getting caught are higher plus with the increased police and sheriff's
presence that would help to mitigate quite a bit of that. There would be some
issues whether it was with kids parking or with some off road vehicles getting
in there. It was just a matter of police presence and a monitoring situation.
Mr. Drell said it was no different from Cahuilla Park the way it is now. By
definition open space parks were open. If they walled them in, they would no
longer be open space parks. They did have some problem at Cahuilla Hills Park �
five or six years ago and they increased the sheriff's patrol and those problems
had about disappeared. There was a burden on the public agency to monitor
these things and the city has a fairly good track record. There was a problem
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at Ironwood Park when it first opened. The people who didn't want the
Sheriff's Department to be part of their party found somewhere else to go.
Commissioner Finerty asked if in the meetings with the property owners the
staff report indicated that they didn't have a desire to have active amenities.
She asked if they had a desire to have a park at all. Mr. Winklepleck said it
was an interesting meeting and was one of the few that he had been to where
they didn't take any action. They didn't necessarily indicate for or against and
other than the one letter about saving their children, they had�'t had any input.
Commissioner Finerty asked if it would be a good idea to go back to the
writers of the letters and property owners at Indian Creek Villas and explain
that they could have a certain amount of houses in hillside development versus
some sort of open space and a rather insignificant park. It appeared from the
staff report that one of the main purposes was to have the multi use trails and
have the trail head and maybe that needed to be the focus point rather than
them trying to figure out what the people that would be affected wanted.
Maybe they needed to know what their desires were. Mr. Winklepleck said
that was why they met with them previously. Staff had spoken to them with
the exception of the one lady who sent the letter that was distributed in the �
commission packets. They had basically seen what the commission was
seeing tonight. They had been told that essentially this was what was being
proposed and were asked what they wanted. Staff typically met with the
neighbors and asked them what they wanted. If there were kids or mo�e
active adults, they were asked what kind of facility they would like to see.
They took no vote and there were no letters other than the one. Barring
negative letters, typically that meant they were in favor of it o� didn't care.
Mr. Drell said that staff viewed this park as a regional facility. They also
looked at regional parks as a neighborhood facility as it relates to the people
who live right next to it. So they looked at parks fulfilling what the regional
goal was which in this case was a place for people in the whole city to have
an open space area and natural area to walk around in. When they talked to
the people around the soccer field, the people at Portola Country Club wanted
shuffle board or horseshoes. In this case it didn't seem like the neighborhood
had a strong interest in those neighborhood sorts of facilities and he agreed
that as a regional facility, the open space nature became paramount in
preserving to the greatest extent possible the open space nature.
Commissioner Campbell said that the writer of the letter in the packet, Ms.
Cree, was not available at that meeting they had and she was mostly affected
by this. Mr. Winklepleck said no, the letter he was talking about was from
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Ms. Tabachnick. Commissioner Campbell noted there was also a letter from
Ms. Cree. Mr. Winklepleck explained that he personally spoke with the other
letter writers. Mr. Drell said that staff has talked with Ms. Cree extensively
and have for 20 ysars. They weren't in fundamental disagreement. There
were alternatives to the location of the parking lot which would have less of
an impact on her property. They have no objection to coming back with
alternative sites for the parking lot.
Commissioner Tschopp asked fo� clarification on what staff was requesting
from the commission because the request included a precise plan of design.
He asked if they were saying there was a lot of latitude in that and that wasn't
actually what was being requested right now. Mr. Drell said ihat based on the
discussion, there were a lot of options available. They were really looking for
input to finalize a precise plan given the whole range of options suggested by
the Parks and Recreation Commission and the various interests of the
residents. He thought the goal was for the commission to give staff direction
as to what facilities should be part of this approval and secondly, where
exactly they should be arranged on the property. Then they could come back
with a more definitive exhibit for the commission to recommend to the council.
� Commissioner Campbell said that staff was also asking the commission to
change the zone from Hillside Planned Residential to Park. She said that was
a problem. Mr. Drell said the change of zone and general plan amendment
were part of the request regardless of how the facilities were arranged on the
property that was what staff was requesting.
Chairperson Lopez o�ened the public hearing and asked if anyone wished to
speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the proposal.
MS. DORIE CREE, 47-205 South Cliff Road, said that she had some
exhibits to show the commission. She said that almost 50 years ago
this infrastructure was put in. The Coachella Valley Water District put
in a water main to the very top of the mountain. They had fire hydrants
and it was a little residential pocket in the hillside. The hillsides to the
north didn't have any infrastructure. She said that beauty was in the
eye of the beholder and Mr. Winklepleck said that this flat area just
purchased for the park was kind of a dump site and a site for homeless
people. She said she didn't agree. When people drove along the
channel road they did throw beer cans out there and still did and kids
would try and park in those coves and stay overnight. In the 20 years
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she has lived there, she has never seen it as a dwelling place for
homeless. When she first met with Mr. Winklepleck, she called him
when she heard about the park. She was kind of given the impression
that this park was going to be an open space and trail head for their
new hiking trails into the hillside. Two months later when she saw the
plan for the park, she was really surprised to see a basketball court,
volleyball court and a parking lot. She didn't think that was going to be
part of the plan. Since writing the letter to the commission, she said
she came to realize that within the radius of one mile there are actually
three parks. The Homme Adams Park which the City is requesting was
a long one. She used her exhibit and pointed out the location of the
Thrush Bridge crossing, the knoll/ridge, and then another bridge going
over the channel and the other park, the Cahuilla Hills Park where there
were tennis courts. She said that the two parks were separated by
nothing more than a ridge and a big Coachella Valley Water District
water tank. This�was the area that Mr. Drell was referring to when he
said that the city was buying additional acreage for their hiking trails.
The other park was on the othe� side of Highway 74 and it was one �
mile away. They have three parks within a one mile radius. She said �
that the Cahuilla Hills Park was two-tenths of a mile away. She asked
if they needed to have a parking lot, a bathroom and those kinds of
facilities at all three parks. She asked if they could keep one of them
a nice, big open space that she thought was a beautiful wildlife refuge
that could be improved upon with more planting of desert trees and be
kept natural. This park where they already had tennis courts with night
lights didn't have a bathroom. And there wasn't a parking lot. She
took some photos of that park. She said she would much rather see the
city consider having three parks that were compatible with one another.
Perhaps have the parking facility and bathrooms at Cahuilla Hills Park
where there were already tennis courts. She said there was plenty of
room there to extend that tiny little parking lot there. The bridge had a
much better access there. It was accessed from Painters Path and
people wouldn't drive through a housing development. The Ironwood
Park had big grassy areas and playgrounds for kids so her request was
for the city to consider keeping this park really as more of a nature
preserve and open space park. When she looked at the painting behind
the commission, it reminded her of the 27 acres with the foothills in the
background. The whole idea for the park was to have a trail head and
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to the hiker if his bathroom were located 500 yards at Cahuilla Hills
Park. She said it was the same for the parking lot. It was primarily for
the hiker. In between there was nothing but a ridge. She had an aerial
to show the commission which showed the two parks and the Thrush
Bridge. The ridge separating the two parks was where the city was
buying additional acreage to get up into the foothills. To the south of
the Homme Adams site was the residential housing. It was the only
place in the hillside where the infrastructure was in place. She
requested that the Planning Commission reconsider the use for this park
and look at the big picture and look at all three of these parks so close
together and do something that would be more compatible, not
duplicate. She felt that they were duplicating the things that they
already had. She wanted the commission to take more time and look
at the big picture of what this would look like 40 or 50 years from now.
Not just make another playground park out of it.
Commissioner Finerty said that what she was hearing was that Ms. Cree
wouldn't be opposed to the change of zone from Hillside Residential to Open
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Ms. Cree said she was opposed. She also had a plan that Mr. Homme
had when he was going to do a residential development in there. He
was going to do little clusters of housing. She had the same kind of
zoning on her lots that he had on his and she knew that the City of
Palm Desert would hold him to a very high standard. She knew that it
would be an expensive property to develop, it would be good desert
landscaping, good architecture, and she was never opposed or afraid of
seeing a residential development going in there because she knew it
would be something nice. She would like to see it kept as residential.
MR. CALVIN CREE, 47-400 South Cliff Road in Palm Desert, said that
he was here to speak in opposition to the proposed park as presented.
He was very relieved to find out that perhaps the proposed basketball
courts, volleyball courts and tot lots would not be incorporated into this
conceptual plan as previously presented. He recalled the first meeting
when they all met on the othe� side of the Thrush Street Bridge and
they were discussing the purpose of this park. As he understood it, the
purpose of the park was to be a trail head for access to the public lands
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extent of what eise this park would provide, he became opposed to it.
In ihe 25 years he had been in Section 30 and this area, people that
cross the Thrush Street Bridge to walk their dogs were going to do just
that. He doubted that they were going to go to a designated dog area
or park in the designated parking lot to walk their dogs. His experience
was that they generally circulate in that area across from the Thrush
Street Bridge or they walk up and down the Coachella Valley Water
District easement on the west side of the channel. He didn't see how
having a designated dog run area would compel people to stay in that
area. As indicated by Dorie, he said one of the reasons this area over
20 years ago was designated a hillside specific zoning area was in order
to keep this area to the highest development standards obtainable by
the city. Now that this area that was designated and zoned residentially
was now being proposed as open space, he was concerned what
impact that would have on the quality of any potential future hillside
development or development on the flat properties that have a grade or
a slope. He was very concerned about that. He said that if the purpose
of the park was going to serve as a trail head for access to the public �
lands behind Section 30, then they should be located at the northerly �
end of this proposed 27-acre site. It was established that one of the
reasons they wanted the parking lot was that the city wanted it in the
proximity of the Thrush Street Bridge to serve possibly for overflow of
the churches around the holidays. By experience, he said that when the
churches have a large crowd around the holidays, they will inundate
Indian Creek Villas. They would park as far as Willow Street and the
Highway 74 access road before they would walk over the Thrush Street
Bridge in their Sunday finery and high heels to walk through dirt to get
to their vehicles. So the location of the parking lot to benefit and serve
the churches he didn't see. He also understood that the churches had
been contemplating building a parking structure that would serve both
facilities eventually. Another reason to keep the parking lot if the
parking lot were to be developed for access to the trail head for the
public areas, one good reason to keep the parking lot in the most
northerly area was the topography of this site. The north area of this
site was topographically lower than the Thrush Street Bridge area, so
from a security standpoint it would be a very easy area to monitor. It
would be suitable for lighting if there were to be a public restroom
developed. That brought up another point. North of this area separated
only by a ridge was an established park, the Cahuilla Park. That area �
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already had a history, a presence, a reputation and people knew how to
get there. This was a more suitable area to further develop for picnic
areas, for restrooms, lighting, and for more public activity. The Cahuilla
Park was more suitable for accessibility because it was an established
road with signage and the speed limit is 35 mph down to 25 mph off
of Painters Path. He was very concerned about the Highway 74
corridor where they had cars traveling 55 or 60 mph and all of a sudden
slowing down and turning onto a residential street where the speed limit
is 25 mph. He was wondering if Caltrans would have something to say
about that as it pertains to traffic studies and the potential hazard of
increased traffic access in and out of the Thrush Road access point. He
encouraged the commission to consider in the conceptual plan evolving
to also consider restricting and discouraging the access of this area by
Thrush Road and encouraging access of this area by the Water District
easement connecting to the already established Cahuilla Park to the
north of that. In conclusion, he requested that the Planning
Commission deny a Negative Declaration of Environmental Impact at
this time and send this concept back to planning for further
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MS. JEAN LE DUC, 45-998 Ocotillo, said she wanted to reiterate a
couple of comments that had been touched on. She thought that one
of the most important qualities of this piece of property is that is an
undeveloped, large mass of land in a hillside area where so few
opportunities in Palm Desert remain to acquire that kind of acreage.
She liked the concept that had been talked about of having some kind
of passive park and having this incorporate some hiking trails and multi
use paths in the hopes of a more comprehensive trail planning effort up
to Art Smith and some of the other trails mentioned. She said she
knew that it had been discussed before, but she believed that some of
the facilities actually proposed were incompatible with that sort of
environment. Having volleyball courts, basketball courts weren't
compatible with the sort of natural setting this piece of property
represented such an opportunity to. She recommended that the
Planning Commission recommend further study of this park, taking
some of the direction or the input from the community which was
looking at the kind of facilities that were being proposed and rnaybe
looking a little more at the character of this piece of property and what
was best suited to that piece of property and taking into consideration
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what was very accessible in surrounding facilities. She said that with
respect to the general plan and zone change ordinances, she knew there
had been some suggestion of adopting a phase one concept, but she
believed that to undertake a sort of serious entitlement like a general
plan amendment and change of zone there needed to be some
clarificatian what the immediate as well as ultimate concept of this
facility would be. She thought it wouldn't be appropriate to adopt this
extensive entitlement on a concept that may change or that may include
these types of facilities at a later date which wasn't particularly desired
at this time. She encouraged some thought about holding off on
making those changes until there was a firmer concept of what this
facility would encompass.
MR. JOHN VUKSIC, 73-030 Caliandra, said there was good thought
expressed about parks in the area. He was a little concerned when he
heard about other activities planned in a later phase which may or may
not happen because they all knew that if some of that happened, the
rest of it would happen in the same area. It would not move to some
other area. Looking at this made him think about houses in the hills in �
general and he thought about it as a resident. He personally was very "'�
familiar with these hills. He saw them from his back yard, his front yard
and he saw them when he drove home from work. He said that he
drives down Haystack and stared at that hill. He thought about it as an
architect and what he thinks about houses on the hills and as someone
who loves the city and is very proud of this city. The answer he had for
himself was that he was not opposed to houses on the hills provided
that they are site sensitive. That meant that they were designed in a
way to melt into the site. They were setback from the edge, there was
a good use of textures, colors, materials and landscaping to really make
them blend into the hills and become part of the hills. In short, they
needed to be held to a very high standard. He thought that they as a
city needed to be strict about any houses being built following those
standards. With the Hillside Ordinance, Planning staff, ARC, Planning
Commission and City Council they needed to make sure that happened.
He thought that the schematic as proposed would deter any possibility
of good a�chitecture happening on that hillside. He looked at it and at
the temporary parking lot and from what he could visualize it, there was
no way anyone would make the effort to build a good house up there
if that was what they were looking at because they would be looking
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right at it. The result would be that it would stay as it is with some
shacks and landscape that was really inappropriate with big trees on top
of hills or eventually if someone built a house it wouldn't be a house of
good quality. It meant that it would be over simplified, inexpensive and
would be something that would be noticeable and very inappropriate for
a hillside. He said they had to ask what was in the best interest of the
city. He thought it was clearly not to do something with this park plan
that would deter the potential for good architecture to eventually
happen on that hillside.
MR. RICHARD FROMME, 48-625 Pisano Road in Palm Desert, said that
he lives in the hills and he wasn't going to say anything. His letter
listed a couple of his concerns and about the termites. He said that he
owns two 5-acre pieces that adjoin the ridge that the City just bought
and Mrs. Cree had stated that there was no infrastructure there. He
said that both those lots have water, one has power and there was a
road to them and he has an easement from Green Way from the Water
District to get back to his two lots. There was infrastructure on this
side of that ridge and there were quite a few houses back there, so it
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that live behind that, not particularly him since he lives behind the water
tank, but there would be the same problem of everyone looking out for
themselves. He said he was for the park. He liked open space, too. He
hadn't yet decided if he liked the tennis courts or the volleyball courts,
but he thought the open space was important. He thought it should be
kept open and he hiked up the trail the other day and it was beautiful.
He thought there needed to be some kind of parking somewhere there
for people that want to hike. Also, the parking should be as close to
pavement as possible because the valley had a PM 10 problem with the
dust and the more that they drive away from the pavement, the more
problems that were there.
MR. HECTOR MARTINEZ, 78-682 Bursera Way, said that he wasn't
aware that there was a plan by the City of Palm Desert for a park in this
location, but he got a letter in the mail last week and that was why he
was at the meeting. This area right now was very nice as it is. It
blended nicely with the mountains and he liked it that way. It was
quiet, clean and there wasn't much traffic in the area. Building a park
would bring residents from all over the valley to their backyards on a
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daily basis. He said he had a bad experience in another city and liked
the way the property was now.
MR. EDWARD APLET noted that the commission had his letter. Mr.
Winklepleck raised one issue on the undergrounding and he suggested
that it be addressed. Mr. Aplet explained that he requested a number
of years ago that they be allowed power overhead to their property and
he wanted to make sure that the city followed their own rules with
development to underground them when they put them in. As far as
the Thrush Road access, that was another example of how he thought
this project wasn't properly addressed. To those that have gone on that
access, it was an acute angle coming across the bridge. It was
immediately barricaded on what would be the west side of the
Coachella Valley Water District easement so they were required to make
a sharp left-turn back. The right access down the easement was
normally closed by an iron gate that was put in by the Coachella Valley
Water District so he thought the design if a parking lot was put near
there should be designed to accommodate a direct in access from the �
bridge because of making that extremely sharp turn onto and off that �
bridge would cause traffic hazards in the future.
Mr. Winklepleck said that the first issue he would like to address was the issue
of having three parks within one mile. Ironwood Pa�k was across Highway 74
and staff didn't look at it as being part of this particular development. It was
across Highway 74, a major highway, and served a different purpose. It was
not in the hillside. However, Cahuilla Hills Park was a similar park and as
discussed, the proposal would be to have a linked path. There were tennis
courts at Cahuilla Hills as identified. Over the years he has heard two people
ask for restrooms at that location. It might be different when they get more
people hiking. The restroom was a standard facility at a lot of trail heads that
he has seen. People would be there and people with kids would be there. He
felt that a restroom was still necessary at this park site. If a �estroom was
necessary at the Cahuilla Hills Park, even though it was fairly adjacent, he felt
that was a separate issue for those tennis players. Staff felt that zoning from
Residential to Open Space if anything was less impacting and guaranteed more
that the site would stay open space. Remaining residential if it was developed
as a park really served no purpose. Residential property could be developed
at a much more intense level than Open Space property. The dog run area
was to provide something similar to what was here at the Civic Center Park �
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which was some sort of enclosed area. The problem with that was that they
couldn't find a good solution to enclosing it without some sort of fence
material and hiding it and maintaining it as natural. That was one of the
components that they would prefer not to include. There was a comment on
the parking lot being easier to monitor at the lower elevation. His concern was
the elevation. He didn't know if it had to do with how monitorable it would
be. As far as monitoring it, the more people that could see it to monitor it and
that would be closer to the bridge where the majority of people drive by. He
thought that Mr. Greenwood could address the comment regarding speed and
Caltrans.
Mr. Greenwood said he didn't think Caltrans would be too concerned about
this proposal. Highway 74 had 15,000 cars or more a day. The addition by
this project would be imperceptible. It would not make a difference city wise.
Mr. Winklepleck said that in the current conceptual plan the recommendation
as far as phase one, change of zone, general plan, and precise plan as
presented and as it was being recommended by staff, it was a
recommendation to city council and if council was to approve that, any
�"" amendments to that plan would have to come back to the commission and
council for ultimate approval. Mr. Drell said that they would dispense with the
description of it as phase one. They would approve a project and it would
include what gets approved and stuff that didn't get approved would be
deleted from the plan. Mr. Winklepleck noted there was also a comment made
in relation to parking relative to PM 10 and dust concerns. If the parking area
was to move, they would address that with some sort of binder or some sort
of asphalt with chip seal. The undergrounding of electrical overhead was
related to where the restroom was and if they were to provide electricity to
that facility for lighting, they would be undergrounded and the city would
follow our own rules. Staff was looking at some sort of solar power so that
electricity wouldn't have to be run to that point. Regarding the access across
the bridge and the 90-degree turn that would have to be made, it was a fairly
sharp turn that would have to be made and if there were two large vehicles
there trying to make the turn at the same time, he could see that as being an
issue. He wasn't sure how often that would happen but the traffic engineer
could look at it. Mr. Drell said that there was a whole catalog of traffic
calming devices which intentionally make quick movements by automobiles
difficult in the effort of making sure that cars go slowly. So that movement
was well within the physics of automobiles but people were required to go
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slowly and they did go slowly. What he wanted to propose was that they take
all these comments and come back to the commission in 30 days with other
various alternatives in terms of locations, various alternative locations of the
parking lot and he thought the consensus if the commission so directed was
to delete the active areas, the turf, tot lot, basketball and volleyball so they
were really talking about where to put the parking lot and where to put the
bathroom and they would show them various spots staff felt was appropriate
and the commission and public could evaluate which areas are least impacting
on the open space character of the park.
Commissioner Finerty asked if staff could also make some determination on
just using this area as a trail head. Mr. Drell said the goal was to use it as a
trail head. Commissioner Finerty said solely as a trail head with no restroom,
no picnic pavilion, no parking lot. Mr. Drell said that if they use it as a trail
head, every trail head he has been to has a parking lot and as soon as a real
parking lot is put in, people start using it. They would use it instead of
disturbing other areas. He felt that a parking lot was needed. He suggested
that perhaps 36 spaces were too many for this trail head. He said that there
was a problem with not enough parking at Cahuilla Park and they would be �
looking at expanding it. There was a pump station that would go into that
park and with that pump station they were looking at adding 10 to 12 parking
spaces right off of that access road as they drive in. He said there was a
place to park. If they didn't give people a specific place to park, they would
park any where in an uncontrolled manner. He said they could show the
commission various sizes or just start with 12 to 15 spaces and design it in
such a way that it would be expandable over time.
Chairperson Lopez closed the pub{ic hearing and asked for commission
comments.
Commissioner Finerty moved to continue this project for 30 days.
Commissioner Campbell seconded the motion. Mr. Drell advised that the
public hearing should be kept open. Chairperson Lopez reopened the public
hearing.
Commissioner Jonathan thanked the residents for being at the meeting to
share their thoughts. He hoped that they could see that staff and the
commission was very attentive and appreciative of their comments and hoped ;
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they could come up with something that met the entire community's, as well
as the immediately surrounding neighborhood's, needs.
Commissioner Tschopp said that before the next meeting he would like to get
a better quantitative number on the number of irips a park would generate as
opposed to a medium/moderate density development in here alternative wise.
He knew it would be difficult for them to come up with based on previous
comments made about determining park traffic, but he felt it would be helpful
in terms of what they were looking at traffic wise. Mr. Greenwood said that
he had to caution the commission on not getting their hopes up because the
data on parks was very limited and every park was different in every
neighborhood. If they put the same park in two neighborhoods, two different
things happened. No matter what numbers they brought to them, there would
be a huge range. The residential side could be pinned down very closeiy.
There would be 600-700 trips per day out of this residential neighborhood.
He was comfortable saying that there would be fewer than 100 if this was a
park or trail head. That was what he would say in two weeks.
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Chairperson Lopez said that he has used the Thrush Road Bridge but he
couldn't remember if there was enough room there for two cars, or one car.
He was concerned that if in fact they did proceed with some type of
recreational facility here whether it be open space or anything else, he was of
the opinion that if they built something, people would come. What he was
concerned about was the safety of the individuals who did wish to cross that
bridge whether it be dawn or dusk without having sufficient room to walk
across there and he was thinking more along the lines of kids. He was looking
at the safety factor that there was sufficient room for people to go across that
bridge to get to what would be a very nice setting. He asked staff to take a
look at that issue. He called for a vote.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Campbell,
continuing this matter for 30 days by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
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X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES - (No meeting)
B. CIVIC CENTER STEERING COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
'�C. DESERT WILLOW COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
D. GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
E. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE - (March 20, 2001 )
Commissioner Finerty noted that the meeting was informational only.
F. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE - (March 19, 2001)
Commissioner Finerty said that the city has a plan to underground
utilities adjacent to arterial streets and there was an assistance program
to underground utilities in certain areas requiring 70% of homeowners Y
to sign a petition and then they would form an assessment district. "'�
Commissioner Jonathan asked if that was just in Project Area 4.
Commissioner Finerty said no, they were th�oughout the city. There
were a number in Project Area 1 and that was where most of the
money was going right now. Commissioner Jonathan asked if there
was a time line for undergrounding utilities. Commissioner Finerty said
that there was a time line in terms of money coming in both from RDA
and whoever else would support it in the assessment district. If the
commission was interested, they could contact Pat Conlon, who was
in charge of it. She clarified that Project Area 1 was kind of the original
area, the Palma Village area. Chairperson Lopez asked if there was any
conversation regarding undergrounding the utilities on Monterey, and
Gerald Ford to the freeway. Commissioner Finerty said it wasn't
specifically discussed, but precedence was given to utilities on arterial
streets. In Project Area 4 that would be along Country Club and Hovley.
She noted that it was a citywide effort and was costly to accomplish.
G. PALM DESERT/RANCHO MIRAGE MONTEREY AVENUE CORRIDOR
PLANNING WORK GROUP - (No meeting)
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H. ZONING ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMITTEE - (No meeting)
XI. COMMENTS
None.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner Finerty,
adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0. The meeting
was adjourned at 10:23 p.m.
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