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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Campbell called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sonia Campbell, Chairperson
Sabby Jonathan, Vice Chairperson
Cindy Finerty
Jim Lopez
Dave Tschopp
Members Absent: None
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Staff Present: Phil Drell, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, City Attorney
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Planning Technician
Ryan Stendell, Parks & Rec. Planning Technician
Jeff Winklepleck, Parks & Rec. Planning Manager
Mark Greenwood, Engineering Manager
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
I11. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Jonathan led in the pledge of allegiance.
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Consideration of the March 4 and March 18, 2003 meeting minutes.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
�.. Jonathan, approving the March 4 and March 18, 2003 minutes as
submitted. Motion carried 5-0.
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V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
No meeting.
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
None.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing. �
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A. Case Nos. GPA 03-02, C/Z 03-01 and PP 03-05 - JAMES AND
LUCILLE FEIRO, ET.AL., Applicants
Request for approval of a general plan amendment from
residential (medium density 5-7 units per acre) to office
professional, a change of zone from R-1 13,000 to O.P.
(Office Professional►, a precise plan of design for a 3,000
_ square foot single storey office building, and a Negative
Declaration of Environmental Impact as it relates thereto.
The general plan amendment and change of zone apply to
th�ee lots on the west side of Deep Canyon Road: 44-605,
44-655 and 44-675 Deep Canyon Road. Precise plan of
design applies to property at the northwest corner of
Ramona and Deep Canyon Road, known as 44-605 Deep
Canyon Road.
Chairperson Campbell noted that there was a request from the applicant
to continue the matter to May 6, 2003. She asked if there was a staff
report. Mr. Drell said no. �
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Chairperson Campbell onened the public hearing and asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION. There was no one. The
public hearing was left open. - --
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez, by minute motion, continued this case to May 6, 2003. Motion
carried 5-0.
B. Case Nos. GPA 03-04 and ZOA 02-06 - CITY OF PALM DESERT,
Applicant
(Continued from March 4, 2003)
Request for app�oval of an amendment to the Hillside
Planned Residential District, Chapter 25.15, as it relates to
permitted density, limit of grading activity and other
matters.
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Commissioner Jonathan stated that he would be abstaining from
discussion and voting on this matter.
Mr. Smith explained that the title of this request now included the
general plan amendment which was the reason staff asked for the
continuance on March 4, 2003. He advised that the appropriate noticing
was done in the newspaper. In that the West Hills Specific Plan is the
general plan for the hillside areas, the development policies contained in
the West Hills Specific Plan on pages 9, 10, 1 1 , 12 and 13 mirrored the
zoning provisions contained in Chapter 25.15. Therefore, any amendment
to the Hillside Zoning Ordinance also required amendment to the West
Hills Specific Plan. The two documents had to be consistent.
Staff's recommendation on March 4 was that the commission
recommend approval of Alternative A to the City Council. Mr. Smith
indicated that one sentence was added to the Alternative A presented to
commission on March 4. The sentence was added to the Toe of Slope
section that, "Applicants may propose a density transfer for units
otherwise permitted above the toe of slope to areas with less than 10%
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average slope if it results in the unit or units being placed in a location
which will create less visual impact."
With that modification, staff recommended that the Planning Commission
recommend to the City Council approval of GPA 03-04 and ZOA 02-06.
There were no questions for staff and Chairperson Campbell noted that
the public hearing was o en and asked for any comments in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION.
MR. JOHN BAILEY, 6761 Brockton Avenue in Riverside, CA
92501, stated that he was representing the owners of what was
known as Lot 17 in the Fox Canyon properties.
To his knowledge, the proposed ordinance change and the City's
acquisition of that Fox Canyon property was determined to be
what he believed to be a project under CEQA and to his knowledge
there had been no CEQA application or requirements in this �
instance. He recommended that the commission not move forward �
on this ordinance until those were complied with. In addition, the
City's acquisition of the Fox Canyon property and these more
restrictive changes under the ordinance were essentially resulting
in an inverse condemnation of his clients' Lot 17. It was
effectively non usable under the new ordinance.
He said his clients have had a reasonable expectation that this Lot
17 would be developable. The project was moving forward and
had been moving forward for more than 10 years. He was quite
surprised when they learned that the City did acquire the property
and essentially landlocked them. By those actions, it was
essentially rendering this land valueless.
In addition, Ordinance A that staff was recommending, by its term
was ambiguous. His concern was that if the ambiguities were not
corrected, it could lead to inconsistent application of this ordinance
to other lots. For example, under Alternative A under Section
25.15.030 Section A where it talked about density, it had the �
upper slope areas under A.1 that said that regardless of lot size, �
every lot would be entitled to at least one unit, so even if a lot �
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was an acre of half acre, in that area they were entitled to at least
one unit. When they went to item 2 where it talked about toe of
slope,-which was where his clients' property was situated, it had
a minimum lot size requirement of one acre, but no additional
language like above that said that regardless of the lot size, they
would be entitled to build on their lot. If he took the language as
it was written, he'd fall into the category of having a building pad
of 2,000 square feet, which he thought was patently unfair in the
way it was drafted. So it rendered it ambiguous. In addition, if
they went onto this same section commencing to where it said,
"access road driveway area" in that part of the section it talked
about any area that was disturbed in excess of the 3,000 square
feet to the access area would be taken off the building pad. The
way his lot was situated, if he just graded and paved the road
from the public road to his lot, that could essentially eliminate his
building pad.
He said staff indicated that the access driveway would be limited
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wasn't clear. It just said any access road or driveway would be
deducted from the building pad. So if he was given a 2,000 square
foot building pad and he had to deduct everything from the public
road on, he essentially had nothing. He thought the ambiguities
needed to be fixed and that his comments with regard to CEQA
were appropriate and he recommended that the commission not
approve the proposal at this point.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone else wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION. There was no one, and the public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Lopez asked staff to address the concerns. Mr. Drell said
that he had no problem adding the language suggested, that they should
repeat the same language in A.1 and A.2 that lots would be entitled to
at least one unit. The ambiguity relative to the grading and access, he
suggested "access across the subject property" or "across the property
associated with a subject development." He said staff might have to
work on the language with the City Attorney. But the understanding was
the development of the access road off of someone else's property was
going to be part of the analysis for that other property. In this particular
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case, the access road to Mr. Bailey's property was across flat land, so
that allowed 50% grading. Period. There was a lot of opportunity on the
City's land if it ever came to that and an access road had to be
developed. Since the City wasn't proposing to grade any of its property,
subject to this ordinance the only grading that would occur would be for
a trail and for access to this lot. So there was plenty of allowable grading
on the City's property under this ordinance to provide the access road to
this lot if that is what it came to. He said it could be clarified that the
3,000 square feet only applied to required grading on the subject
property, unless Mr. Bailey had a suggestion.
Staff determined that relative to CEQA and this ordinance, a Negative
Declaration was appropriate. Relative to the impact on the environment,
the proposed amendment would result in less negative impact on the
environment than the existing ordinance. Staff didn't feel it was a stretch
to make the statement that there would be no negative impacts. While
there might be financial impacts to various property owners as they
perceive them, it was not a subject of CEQA. �
Chairperson Campbell asked if Mr. Bailey was comfortable with the
changes Mr. Drell recommended.
Mr. Bailey said he would be more comfortable if he was able to
read the language he was proposing. There were a lot of
generalities here. He also had a question about the access to the
lot.
Mr. Drell said that was not an issue of this. The particular issue
concerning the status or access to Mr. Bailey's lot was not a subject of
this ordinance. The final disposition of his lot was going to be subject to
the negotiation and discussion between the property owner(s) and the
City, but those issues were unrelated to the subject of this ordinance.
That was really the subject of two property owners who happen to own
property contiguous to each other where there might be an access issue.
This ordinance didn't speak to that in any way, shape or form.
Mr. Bailey stated that on March 17 he had a telephone
conversation with Mr. Drell and raised these issues again with him. �
He said Mr. Drell was vague as to whether or not he was going to �
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amend it. He said he was under the impression that Mr. Drell was
not going to amend this per his suggestions and he thought it was
_ somewhat unfair for him to negotiate that point right here. He said
he tried to negotiate that point with him over the telephone and
they weren't successful in reaching an agreement. He didn't know
exactly what Mr. Drell was proposing and wouldn't know until he
saw it in written form.
Chairperson Campbell asked if there were any other questions for staff.
There weren't.
Commissioner Tschopp stated that overall he was in favor of Alternative
A, but he thought the comment made was appropriate in that the
verbiage of the proposal was important. As such, he would like to see
the wording of the proposed ordinance before they vote on it. Mr. Drell
stated that the wording of the first issue was verbatim as identified in
Section A.1, "regardless of size, all lots would be entitled to at least one
unit." The wording relative to other, he asked if Mr. Bailey had a
� suggestion on how to define the property subject to development. Maybe
that was the word. "Any areas disturbed in excess of 3,000 square feet
on the parcel subject to development shall be deducted from the building
pad." _
Commissioner Tschopp asked if all lots would be entitled to at least one
unit under Section 25.15.030. Mr. Drell said yes. Those were now the
only two categories. They only had toe of slope and above toe of slope.
In both those two categories they were saying since that now
encompasses the whole hillside, every parcel is entitled to one unit.
Commissioner Lopez said that if those two items were being incorporated
into the language, he would be in favor of the amendment and would
move for approval, Alternative A.
Commissioner Finerty stated that she hadn't changed her mind from the
last meeting and was in favor of Alternative B.
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
- Tschopp, approving the findings as presented-by staff. Motion carried 3-
1-1 (Commissioner Finerty voted no, Commissioner Jonathan abstained).
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2193,
recommending to City Council approval of GPA 03-04 and ZOA 02-06
Alternative A as amended. Motion carried 3-1-1 (Cornmissioner Finerty
voted no, Commissioner Jonathan abstainedl.
C. Case No. HPR 03-01 - DORI CREE, Applicant
(Continued from March 4 and March 18, 2003)
Request for approval to construct a driveway and 15,043
square foot building pad on a 5.12 acre lot in the Hillside .�
Planned Residential District west of the storm channel, �
south of Southcliff Road, APN 628-120-013. �
Mr. Smith explained that there was an amended application before the
commission. The revised plan was on display. The request was for a
driveway and a 12,819 square foot building pad on the 5.12 acre site.
This was before the commission on March 4 and again on March 18,
2003. At the March 4 meeting the commission asked the applicant to
stake out the original site location which they did. He knew that some
members of the commission visited the property. At that same time, the
applicant had the surveyors plot out a second parcel for consideration
which was located further to the west than the previous request and at
a somewhat higher elevation. It was set at 561 , while the previous
request was at 552 but located north and west so that it was right
against the ridgeline that runs just above the existing dwelling.
He noted that the applicant indicated that they were prepared to remove
the existing residence and renaturalize that area. With that, the proposal
before the commission for the revised 12,000 square foot pad would
comply with current code and with Alternative A. It would not comply
with Alternative B which had a limit of 10,000 square feet. He noted that �
commission just recently recommended Altemative A, so this proposal
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before them now complied with both Alternative A and the current
ordinance.
Mr. Smith recommended approval of HPR 03-01 and recommended that
the Planning Commission recommend to City Council approval, subject
to the conditions in the draft resolution. Effectively what that required
was that the applicant remove the existing residence and renaturalize that
area, renaturalize the driveway and renaturalize any cut slopes on the
driveway. Mr. Drell said he had an amendment to Condition No. 3. Since
the creation of the pad created rather targe fill slopes, Condition No. 3
should require the renaturalization of all proposed driveway and cut and
fill slopes. Not just cut slopes since they were mainly dealing with fill
slopes.
Chairperson Campbell noted that the public hearing was still open and
asked if the applicant wished to address the commission.
MS. DORI CREE, 47-205 Southcliff Road, addressed the
� commission. She thanked the Planning Commission for taking the
time out of their busy day and coming up to see the property. By
actually looking at it, she thought they had a better picture of
what she was trying to do. She also thanked Mr. Smith for coming
up and doing the same. She thought he pretty much covered all
aspects of what she was trying to do. She pointed out that five
acres was a big piece of land and she was trying to be
conservative by staying off the hillside and out of view and staying
in compliance with the new ordinance, Alternative A.
Commissioner Tschopp noted that in the staff report, a preferable
driveway location could be achieved with cooperation of the property
owner to the south. After visiting the site, he concurred with that
statement. He asked if Ms. Cree had made any headway with that
adjacent property owner.
Ms. Cree said no, she hadn't.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the application. There being no one, the public hearing
was closed.
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Commissioner Tschopp thought the plan presented by the applicant met
the current ordinance and the proposed draft ordinance A. He also
thought that the applicant had done a very good job of trying to lower
the visibility of this development and he was in favor as proposed by
staff.
Commissioner Jonathan concurred and concurred with Commissioner
Tschopp's earlier comment. The access, if it could be obtained through
the property owner to the south, would be preferable to cutting the
driveway. If that wasn't possible, it wasn't possible, but he encouraged
the applicant and perhaps staff to pursue that possibility to its fullest
extent because he thought it would be beneficial all around. Otherwise,
he concurred.
Commissioner Finerty thought the applicant had made a step in the right
direction. She didn't know if 561 elevation was going to be okay by the
time they added a house on it. It still might stick out. Mainly because she
was in favor of Alternative B, she was opposed to this application. �
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Commissioner Lopez concurred on two points. He would like to see staff �
pursue this with the land owner to the south. It was an opportunity to
cooperate on the development of the driveway especially as it pertained
to how much land would need to be moved or what the impact would be
on the development. If it wasn't possible, it wasn't. Other than that, he
was in favor of the project.
Chairperson Campbell concurred. After visiting the second site that was
changed, she thought it would be a better location for it. The property
owner wouldn't have to do as much fill and it was a flatter area and
wasn't as much of an impact as the other location. She also agreed that
they should see if the other hidden driveway could be developed,
especially since the Fire Department would prefer that other driveway.
She was also in favor of the project and asked for a motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion car�ied 4-1
(Commissioner Finerty voted no1.
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It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2194,
recommending to City Council approval of HPR 03-0_'L Revised, subject
to conditions consistent with Alternative A as amended. Motion carried
4-1 (Commissioner Finerty voted no.)
D. Case No. TPM 31134 - J.M. MADERA, LLC, Applicant
Request for approval of a tentative parcel map to subdivide
a 3.637-acre parcel containing two commercial buildings
and a parking lot into two commercial lots. The property is
located at the southeast corner of Miriam Way and
Shoppers Lane, 300 feet north of Dinah Shore Drive.
Mr. Urbina explained that the property contained a building that was
nearing completion on the westerly half of the parcel map site. The front
portion of the property contained an existing paved parking lot. The
� purpose of the parcel map was to allow the property owner the option of
selling part of the project site.
He explained that this was located at the west end of the Costco
shopping center. The Lighthouse building was immediately to the south.
A condition of approval recommended by Planning staff was that the
existing recorded reciprocal access and parking agreement that covered
the project site and parcels to the south shall continue to apply to the
two newly created parcels.
Staff recommended that Planning Commission approve Tentative Parcel
Map 31 134 based on the findings and conditions contained in the draft
Planning Commission Resolution.
Commissioner Jonathan asked why this wasn't a consent calendar item
and what differentiated this from other parcel map divisions. Mr. Urbina
explained that the City's Subdivision Ordinance required that all proposed
divisions of property go through a public hearing process. Mr. Drell
further explained that parcel map waivers couldn't create a greater
number of lots. They were just moving lines around. When creating more
lots, then this process was required.
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Regarding the caveat on the shared parking easement, Commissioner
Tschopp asked if each parcel would have an adequate area for meeting
- the parking requirement_consistent with the commercial use �ven with _
the existing wall. Mr. Urbina explained that with the shared parking
agreement they would. But if he was asking if this parcel by itself would
have sufficient off-street parking without that reciprocal access
agreement, the answer would probably be no. But part of that would
depend on the use. If it was general retail, they would need to share the
remainder of this parking lot. He pointed out where there were only 12
or 13 spaces to serve that part of the building. Mr. Drell stated that they
wouldn't allow segregation of the parking lot and that is what that
condition required. As far as staff was concerned, this was still one
project and one parking lot to serve all the uses in common.
Chairperson Campbell o..pened the public hearing and asked the applicant
to address the commission. There was no response.
Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the application. There being none, the public hearing was
closed. Chairperson Campbell asked for commission comments.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2195, approving
TPM 31 134, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
E. Case No. CUP 02-35 - PATRICIA AMBROSE, Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit to allow
short-term rentals of a single-family dwelling located at 45-
800 Deep Canyon Road.
Mr. Bagato explained that the subject property is a 2,662 square foot
four-bedroom home located on the comers of Yucca Tree, Deep Canyon '�
Road and a private street called Monte Verde. For the past two years the
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applicant indicated that she has been living and renting out the subject
property. October through June the property was occupied by the
applicant and June, July and August she rented it out. The applicant
indicated that the rentals varied between monthly and some short terms.
The applicant allowed no more than eight persons in the household with
four cars on the subject property. Mr. Bagato noted that there was a
fairly long driveway that could hold up to about six cars. The existing
driveway was surrounded by a six-foot high block wall and electronic
gates.
The goal of the conditional use process was to insure that the short-term
rentals were being operated in a manner in compliance with the single
family zone. The three streets and the uniqueness of the property
surrounded by 20-foot high oleanders and the gates made the property
kind of private and away from the neighbors.
Staff checked with Code Enforcement and there had been no complaints
� filed against the applicant. The findings for approval were included in the
staff report and Planning staff recommended approval of CUP 02-35,
subject to the conditions.
Chairperson Campbell o�ened the public hearing and asked the applicant
to address the commission.
MS. PATRICIA AMBROSE, 45-800 Deep Canyon Road, stated that
she was interested in approval of a short-term rental at that
address.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if it was true that she rents out her
property in July, August and September.
Ms. Ambrose said those were the months she would be renting
the property.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if she rents to people from England or to
the British.
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Ms. Ambrose said that there actually were a lot of people from
England that do come that time of the year because they were
looking for really good prices and they like the heat.
: Chairperson Campbell noted that the property was lush and very tropical.
She thought it probably made it feel 20 degrees cooler than outside the
walls.
Ms. Ambrose said it was and it has great efficiency and a lot of
shade.
Commissioner Lopez asked if she was comfortable with the proposed
conditions.
Ms. Ambrose said yes. She read them and understood them.
Chairperson Campbell asked for clarification on the number of renters and
the limit on guests.
Ms. Ambrose said that she didn't want more than eight people at
the property. That was one of her rules. They couldn't bring
guests in from the outside or visitors.
Chairperson Campbell asked if they had eight people, they couldn't ask
anyone over for dinner.
Ms. Ambrose said that unless they have written permission from
the owner and the exact time they would be there and when they
would leave, she would try to stick to the exact occupancy of
what they were supposed to have on the rental agreement. And
no parties were allowed and no street parking, just the four car
maximum.
Chairperson Campbell noted that there were actually three gates in there.
Ms. Ambrose concurred.
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Chairperson Campbell asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR o�
OPPOSITION to this application. There being none, Chairperson Campbell
closed the public hearing and asked for commission comments.
Commissioner Tschopp thought it fit in well and made a motion for
approval.
Commissioner Finerty stated that generally she would be opposed to
something like this, but due to the location, all the cars being screened
behind a wall, the applicant's rules, and the fact that there was no one
to cite any past problems, she was in favor.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2196, approving
� Case No. CUP 02-35, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
F. Case No. TPM 31262 - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of a tentative parcel map to subdivide
three existing lots comprising 23,415 square feet into two
single-family residential lots. The property is located at the
northwest corner of Goleta Avenue and Deep Canyon Road.
Mr. Urbina explained that the existing property consisted of three
residential lots that the City of Palm Desert acquired for the widening of
Fred Waring Drive and Deep Canyon Road. The widening of the two
streets had been completed. The proposed parcel map would consolidate
the three existing residential lots into two residential lots approximately
9,600 square feet each. The intent of the City once this parcel map was
recorded was to turn the property over to Habitat for Humanity for the
construction of a home on each of these parcels.
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Staff recommended approval of Tentative Parcel Map 31262 based on
the findings and conditions contained in the draft Planning Commission
Resolution.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION. There being none, the public
hearing was closed. Chairperson Campbell asked for commission
comments.
Commissioner Finerty thought it was a great idea and moved for
approval. Commissioner Tschopp seconded the motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-
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It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Lopez, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2197, approving �
TPM 31262, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
G. Case Nos. GPA 03-03, C/Z 03-03 and PP 03-04 - CITY OF PALM
DESERT, Applicant
Request for a recommendation to City Council to approve
a general plan amendment from medium-high density to
Open Space, a change of zone from R-1 18,000 to Open
Space, a precise plan of design and a Negative Declaration
of Environmental Impact to allow the construction of a 2
+/- acre park with a parking lot, restroom, picnic pavilions,
tot lot, basketball court, volleyball court, perimeter walk,
barbeques, flower garden, putting green and other related
facilities at 73-690 De Anza Way.
Mr. Drell noted that the application before the commission, although it
listed a general plan amendment, it actually did not require one. This site
was designated as a park in the Palma Village Specific Plan and had been
designated in the General Plan as a park for 20 years. Due to a drafting
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error, it was not included on the map. Therefore, they didn't need to
amend the General Plan to proceed with the project.
Mr. Stendell explained that the property is located at the northeast corner
of De Anza and San Carlos. In 1999 the commission had a 21-unit
apartment complex before them which was denied. At the time of denial,
some surrounding residents requested that the parcels be turned into a
park. Subsequently the Parks and Recreation Commission reviewed the
recommendation and thought it would be a great idea and recommended
that the City proceed with purchasing the property. The property was
acquired, master planning was completed and now it was before
commission for approval.
As Mr. Drell stated, General Plan Amendment 03-03 was withdrawn, and
per the City Attorney, some findings needed to be added to reflect that
current housing needs were not being effected. Those findings were,
"The change of zone is consistent with the General Plan, including the
Housing Element, because the amendment and zone change conform to
� the Palma Village Neighborhood Specific Plan. The remaining residential
sites in the Housing Element are adequate to accommodate the City's
share of regional housing need as the park site was not relied upon by
the Housing Element as a residential site." Mr. Stendell asked if there
were any questions.
Commissioner Jonathan said he might have missed it in the conditions of
approval, but the staff report indicated that there would be lighting
around the basketball courts, volleyball courts, perimeter walk and
security lighting at the bathroom. He asked what time those lights would
go out. Mr. Stendell said that they were scheduled to go out at 10:00
p.m. with the closure of the park. That was when everything was
scheduled to go out.
Commissioner Jonathan noted that they've had some instances in parks
that were in close proximity to homes where it had been requested for
the lights to go out earlier, such as 9:00 p.m. He asked if that has been
considered. Mr. Stendell confirmed that it had been considered and staff
was open to that suggestion. He believed the Joe Mann Park closes at
9:00 p.m. Mr. Drell stated it was appropriate to place that in the
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that recommendation. He thought that Ironwood Park was another park,
hopefully, where the lights still go out at 9:00 p.m.
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Commissioner Jonathan noted that also in the staff report there was a
reference to facility rules and security. He apologized if he didn't find the
specifics in the conditions, but he asked what rules would be
implemented with regard to the dogs and other such pets. Mr. Stendell
explained that it wasn't a dog park, but dogs would be allowed on the
site on leashes. There would be appropriate waste disposal units placed
around the site. Commissioner Jonathan asked what was included in the
waste disposal units. Mr. Stendell explained that it included pooper
scooper bins with the pick up baggies. Mr. Drell said that their use would
be required as part of the ordinance. Commissioner Jonathan clarified
that the baggie dispensers would be onsite with appropriate signage. Mr.
Stendell said yes.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if staff planned ahead for the maintenance ,�
of the park to insure that it is as nice a year, three years, five years and
ten years from now as it is when it first opens. Mr. Stendell believed it
would be. They were taking every step necessary to keep it as nice as
every other park in the city. Commissioner Jonathan asked if it was going
to be like the Homme Adams Park. Mr. Winklepleck explained that
Homme Adams Park wasn't done yet. He said they have been discussing
this park with Spencer Knight of the Public Works Department, who has
basically planned ahead with the appropriate amount of funds to maintain
it in the method that all Palm Desert's parks are maintained.
Commissioner Jonathan said that was excellent and thanked him.
Chairperson Campbell noted that Mr. Stendell mentioned that the park
would close and asked if there would be gates. Mr. Stendell said no,
there wouldn't be any gates. There were specific hours the park would
be open. As any other park in the city, most do not have gates, they just
have times they close. Any after hour complaints would be directed to
the police. They had been very good in the past with taking care of any
problems with after hour complaints, noise violations, or anything of that
nature. Chairperson Campbell said it would be complaints from the
neighbors. Mr. Stendell said yes, if there were any. Mr. Drell said the
City also typically scheduled the police to patrol through the park areas
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on a periodic basis. The Sheriff was given direction to pay special
attention to these parks after hours.
Chairperson Campbell opened the public hearing and asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the project. Referring to
a Request to Speak card, she invited Mr. Luis Lopez to speak.
MR. LUIS LOPEZ, 44-540 San Juan Avenue, addressed the
commission. He stated that his parents own that property and the
property immediately to the south. He was also speaking on behalf
of his sister, Sylvia Garza, the property owner of 73-745 De Anza
which he said was within 200 feet of the proposed park and was
more directly impacted by it.
He said that they were generally in favor of the park. They thought
it was a nice amenity for the neighborhood. They were also in
favor of turning off the lights at 9:00 p.m. The concern they had
was at the intersection of De Anza and San Pascual. What they
�. see was actually the intersection. He said they have had a
recurring problem there because it is a high pedestrian street. He
thought a lot of people would probably agree with him.
Traffic heading eastbound on De Anza as they make the turn to
the north on San Pascual, because of the angle of the street they
never slow down. They have high speed traffic going through
there making the turn. If they had children and families walking
westbound on De Anza, that was a very dark corner and he has
had to stop several times just to let the cars go through because
there was no stop sign. He said they didn't really want a stop sign
there. He suggested some kind of traffic calming. If they could put
some chokers, stamped concrete, or some decorative paving to
calm the traffic or some other alternative like that, that would be
acceptable.
He said they were also concerned about the lighting for some of
the corner pocket areas. Specifically the little areas hidden in the
; back. Generally they liked the feel of the neighborhood with its
dark sky policy with no street lights. However, in the evening
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hours they would like the police to be able to adequately patrol the
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area and not create any dark spots. So they would prefer to see
some low level lighting like bollards. He said he spoke to the staff
- and they informed hir� about that. He thanked the commission.
Mr. Drell added that the shrubbery shown on the plan was probably
exaggerated. He didn't think they wanted to create masses of shrubs that
created hiding areas so that the shrub material would be desert type
shrubs that were going to be designed and ultimately sited so that they
didn't create hedges. Chairperson Campbell asked if they would have the
see-through shrubs. Mr. Drell concurred. He said they would be sparse
enough to not create hiding places in corners. Often landscape architects
were inclined to think that they wanted to see dense shrub areas and the
goal in desert landscaping is to have more negative space between
shrubs. He said they would probably have bollards, although it was
difficult to find ones that were vandal proof. But they wanted no more
lighting than was absolutely necessary.
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MS. PAMELA ZUNDEL, 44-461 San Pascual, addressed the
commission. She thanked the commission. She said she has
worked very hard with the community and they have been very
much involved from the inception of this and commended them for
what they have done. They have a large senior population and
they would be thrilled that the commission was considering their
little dogs being allowed there because they walk up and around
there.
She asked if there was going to be a sidewalk on De Anza Way.
Mr. Drell said yes.
: She said that right now there was no walking surface there and it
was very dangerous. She thanked them.
Chairperson Campbell noted that there would also be an opening right
there to the park.
Ms. Zundel asked if there was parking along De Anza. �
Mr. Drell said only street parking.
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Ms. Zundel thought that was wonderful.
MR. TERRY REED, 73-691 De Anza Way, said that was right
across from the project. He thanked the commission on behaif of
the neighbors. The only concern he had was parking on De Anza
Way and the speed of traffic going through there. Unless they
could slow it down in some way, some child getting out of a car
on the street side would get clipped.
Chairperson Campbell closed the public hearing and asked the
commission for comments.
Commissioner Jonathan commended staff and the City for doing this. He
said he absolutely adored this park and thought it was a wonderful
amenity and was such an asset to the neighborhood and the overall
community. He was very pleased to see this happening.
He did have a couple of refinements. He suggested that lights go out at
� 9:00 p.m. and that it be added as a condition of approval. Also, he
listened to Mr. Lopez, Ms. Zundel and Mr. Reed all expressing concern
about the traffic at De Anza. Apparently there was a problem there. He
thought that maybe Public Works could visit that and maybe add
stamped concrete or something that would at least make people
subconsciously, if not consciously, aware that they need to be careful
and slow down. He also asked staff to pay attention to the potential for
security lighting. Just kind of low level lighting in appropriate, strategic
areas. Then to pay attention to the landscaping in terms of security so
that there was nice, attractive landscaping, but at the same time the kind
that created sufficient view corridors for security purposes. Those were
general comments that he had confidence in staff's ability to be creative
with and resolve. So with the addition of the lights out at 9:00 p.m.
condition, he was prepared to move for approval.
Commissioner Finerty concurred with Commissioner Jonathan.
Commissioner Lopez also concurred. He loved having parks added to our
community and thought this was the perfect place for it. He said he was
always concerned about the safety of individuals going to and from the
� park as it pertains to traffic flow. If they were going to allow parking on
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that street, it added another risk. He wanted them to take a careful look
at that whole situation. Lights out at 9:00 p.m. was great. The longer the
park was there, it would become part of the community and the
community would take care of it. But at the inception he wanted to make
sure the security was well defined and that landscaping and maintenance
was defined and after that it would become part of the culture and a fine
addition to the community. He also noted that he wasn't related to the
Mr. Lopez who addressed the commission. He moved for approval.
Commissioner Tschopp thought it was a great idea and said it was a real
blessing to be in a city that has the resources to do something like this.
A couple of comments he heard tonight on the turn onto San Pascual and
the potential problems with parking on De Anza, he asked that staff
when they were designing this to take a good, hard look at those two
issues. Other than that, he thought it was a great idea and would be a
great addition.
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Chairperson Campbell concurred with her fellow commissioners. She �
thought that piece of property had been vacant long enough and she was
sure all the residents would be happy to see nice green ground. With the
police surveillance and neighborhood surveillance watching out, this park
would be very safe and taken care of because they had also been waiting
for it for many years. She also agreed with all the other additions to the
conditions. She noted there was a motion by Commissioner Lopez.
Commissioner Finerty stated that she would second the motion.
Commissioner Jonathan asked if that motion included the condition.
Chairperson Campbell concurred that it included the condition of 9:00
p.m., the low lighting, the landscaping and the traffic.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the findings as presented and amended by staff.
Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2198,
recommending to City Council approval of GPA 03-03, C/Z 03-03 and PP �
03-04, subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried 5-0. �
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IX. MISCELLANEOUS
A. Case No. CUP 03-01 - CARL VOCE, Applicant
Per Planning Commission direction on March 18, 2003,
presentation of a resolution denying a request for approval
of a conditional use permit to allow a 9,500 square foot
cancer/chemotherapy/internal medicine medical office in
the office complex located at 73-712 and 73-726
Alessandro Drive.
Chairperson Campbell noted that they had a resolution of denial before
them.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Jonathan, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-
0.
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It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Jonathan, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2199, denying
Case No. CUP 03-01 . Motion carried 5-0.
B. REQUEST BY COACHELLA VALLEY WATER DISTRICT FOR
DETERMINATION OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE PALM DESERT
GENERAL PLAN A FUTURE PROJECT KNOWN AS IRONWOOD
TRANSMISSION MAIN, PHASE I, PHASE 11, AND PHASE III.
Mr. Drell recommended that the commission, by minute motion,
determine consistency with the General Plan.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Jonathan, by minute motion determining that the Ironwood Transmission
Main, Phase I, Phase II and Phase III project as described in their letter of
February 1 1 , 2003 is consistent with the Palm Desert General Plan.
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Commissioner Tschopp asked for clarification that this was coming off
of Mesa View into Ironwood Country Club. Mr. Drell said that it was
botM-on Portola and Mesa View. He clarified that it didn't go all the way
down to Haystack. He also noted that it would be underground.
Chairperson Campbell called for the vote. Motion carried 5-0.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
No meeting.
6. CIVIC CENTER STEERING COMMITTEE
No meeting.
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C. DESERT WILLOW
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No meeting.
D. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
No meeting.
E. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
No meeting.
F. ZONING ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMITTEE
No Meeting.
XI. COMMENTS
Mr. Greenwood noted that the commission at the last meeting had some
questions about PM 10 regulations. Chairperson Campbell asked what �
the City would be doing about it. Mr. Greenwood stated that the City
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intends to comply with the AQMD guidelines, which weren't much
different from what was already in place.
Mr. Drell asked if this was relative to dirt roads. Commission concurred.
Mr. Greenwood stated that there was not a single publicly-operated dirt
road in the city of Palm Desert. All of the private dirt roads probably fell
below the threshold that AQMD has for monitoring or any corrective
actions, except for the CVWD access roads along the channels. The City
had no authority whatsoever over those access roads regarding PM 10
and any actions were taken directly by AQMD and taken upon CVWD. It
was a specific action because there is an inherent conflict between cities
and water districts that they were on an equal footing jurisdiction wise
so neither had jurisdiction over the other. So some higher authority had
to take responsibility. AQMD saw themselves as that higher authority.
Chairperson Campbell asked about the road by Homme Park. It wasn't a
private road. Mr. Drell agreed that it is the City's responsibility and we
have treated it. The City received an encroachment permit from CVWD
�„► to do work and maintain that road. They did an experiment with acrylic
on it. He noted that someone did it for free, but unfortunately, sometimes
you get what you pay for. He thought it wasn't really saturated deeply
enough. It was quite effective as PM 10 mitigation, but it wasn't that
great for driving on. Mr. Drell said they were contemplating alternative
ways and thought they might end up paving it. There was now an
asphalt coloring process which was quite effective. The goal of the
residents was to try to keep it rural looking. So they were trying to come
up with a design for an asphalt road. With this coloring process it would
still maintain the look of a gravel road, but would have the durability of
asphalt. That was in the works.
Chairperson Campbell asked who was responsible for the rest of the road
going south. Mr. Drell said that adjacent to the park the City received an
encroachment permit, an easement from CVWD to do work and in
essence kind of assume some control over that portion. But south of the
park and north of the park, the City had no authority. Mr. Greenwood
stated that the sealer that was applied was fine as far as AQMD
regulations, PM 10 regulations, were concerned. The aesthetics and ride
quality might be another question. The one road the City is responsible
for through an encroachment permit is in fine shape PM 10 wise. The City
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had no authority whatsoever beyond the limits of the park. No authority
or responsibility.
Chairperson Campbell asked about complaints from the neighbors. Mr.
Greenwood stated that complaints from the neighbors not adjacent to the
park would go to CVWD or AQMD.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Chairperson Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:12 p.m.
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