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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Jonathan called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Tschopp led in the pledge of allegiance,
III. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sabby Jonathan, Chairperson
Dave Tschopp, Vice Chairperson
Sonia Campbell
�, Cindy Finerty
Jim Lopez
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Phil Drell, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, City Attorney
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Phil Joy, Associate Transportation Planner
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
None.
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Mr. Drell indicated there were no pertinent March 25, 2004 City Council
items.
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
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VII. CONSENT CALENDAR "'r
A. Case No. PMW 04-03 - LAURENCE AND DEBORAH PREBLE AND
WINMAR PALM DESERT, LLC (BIGHORN DEVELOPMENT, LLC),
Applicants
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to allow a lot
line adjustment for property located in Bighorn, more
specifically identified as APN's 771-221-014 and 032.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion
carried 5-0.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public '
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the �
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Case No. CUP 04-03 - PREST VUKSIC ARCHITECTS FOR KLAFF
REALTY, Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit to allow a
3,415 square foot restaurant with approval to have onsite
sales and consumption of alcohol in the C-1 general
commercial zone on the north side of EI Paseo at 73-412 EI
Paseo.
Mr. Drell explained that this is a restaurant going into the newly
remodeled end space next to the driveway going into Office Max on EI
Paseo. When the remodel and addition was added, they put a condition
on the project requiring that leases include a requirement that employees
of the businesses park in the Gardens at EI Paseo and the applicant
submitted a parking management plan which accomplishes that, so it
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The common parking lot also serves three other restaurants, Coco's,
Kentucky Fried Chicken and a donut shop. They currently total 13% of
the shopping center. The center is basically parked at our 4/1 ,000 rate
and siightly over if they count the use of the Gardens parking lot and
their history on EI Paseo and that center can accommodate up to 20%
restaurants with the 4/1 ,000 parking.
He thought this center was especially suited in that the existing
restaurants are located off Highway 1 1 1 separated by Office Max in the
middle. Office Max, although it was hard to tell now there's so much
construction, but he thought Office Max was going to go out of business
because he never saw any cars parked there. Apparently based on their
numbers they are doing okay. Those office warehouses do a bulk of their
business through the internet or ordering and they deliver. So a large
percentage of their business does not rely on walk-in traffic. Their use is
closer to an industrial warehouse then they are a retail store. They are
the major tenant and in the middle of the center, so they don't have the
competition between the restaurants for spaces during their peak hours
as seen at CPK and Palomino where all the restaurants are concentrated
� together. The parking had plenty of parking, but the location of the
restaurants created a localized shortage.
In this case the restaurants are dispersed throughout the perimeter of the
project with a surplus of spaces being created by the low intensity of the
Office Max. With this project they were still under the 20% and with the
low intensity of Office Max, they felt this was an appropriate project and
were recommending approval.
Regarding the condition that required employee parking, Commissioner
Lopez noted that the way it is worded is "if there is a problem with
parking" so they were assuming they were going to go in it without the
need for them to park there and then if there is a problem, they would
enforce it. Mr. Drell said the reason is, for the retail stores they are
basically a 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. proposition. This is going to a
restaurant and open late at night. Late at night there was certainly not
going to be a problem, but it was a little more problematically then having
employees at 1 1 :00 p.m. walking to the top of the Gardens to pick up
their cars. They didn't anticipate a problem, but they were providing for
the ability to enforce that condition if necessary.
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Commissioner Campbell asked if this restaurant was going to be open for `�
lunch and dinner both. Mr. Drell said yes. The restaurant that was initially
identified apparently had pulled the pug so it was now a generic
restaurant. He thought it would be a great place for breakfast. He noted
that it was not necessarily going to be an Italian restaurant.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that staff prepared a parking chart and it
indicates there are 291 parking spaces demanded by the use. Mr. Drell
said if they looked at them all as stand alone uses. Chairperson Jonathan
asked if that was the standard approach for this type of center. Mr. Drell
said no, there is not a single center on EI Paseo that approach applies to.
Chairperson Jonathan asked what our policy is. Mr. Drell said in staff's
experience all the centers on EI Paseo: EI Paseo Village, San Luis Rey
Village, the Gardens, and basically all those lots are parked at 4/1 ,000.
And they have approved up to 20% restaurant usage in each one of
those centers.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if that was the zoning standard. Mr. Drell
said no, that is a standard that has been applied through the conditional ;
use permit process. Chairperson Jonathan explained that he was trying �
to understand the table. He asked if it was based on the zoning standard �
rather than our practice of 4/1 ,000. Mr. Drell said yes, it was really in
response to Chairperson Jonathan's request at the last meeting to see
the actual numbers and see them compared.
Chairperson Jonathan indicated that if they took that one step further
and made it really clean and didn't play with Office Max, there would be
an additional demand of 41 spaces. Mr. Drell said no, they either do it as
a generic center or as individual businesses. Chairperson Jonathan
clarified that per the zoning standard, Office Max requires 4/1 ,000. Mr.
Drell said no, Office Max requires 2/1 ,000. Chairperson Jonathan said he
has had experience with a shoe store that has substantially less traffic
then even Office Max and was told that requires 4/1 ,000. Mr. Drell
stated that a general retail use requires 4/1 ,000. Chairperson Jonathan
asked for clarification that Mr. Drell didn't consider Office Max as general
retail. Mr. Drell said no. Chairperson Jonathan asked if there was
something in the zoning standard that defines Office Max as something
other than 4/1 ,000. Mr. Drell said it was more along the lines of a
furniture store. Furniture stores require 2/1 ,000. They are selling a lot of
big, bulky items. But in the same vein, they are looking at restaurants as
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a specific use and giving it its peculiar standard. Chairperson Jonathan
said he wasn't discussing yet if he has a problem with the parking or not.
He was just trying to understand what the standard is. Mr. Drell said he
could argue with staff's interpretation, but staff's interpretation of the
nature of the Office Max use is closer to a furnitu�e store or industrial
warehouse than it is to a retail store.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if that was a change to the original approvaf.
Mr. Drell said no. Chairperson Jonathan asked if they initially required
4/1 ,000 for Office Max. Mr. Drell said no. They didn't require anything
for it. It went into an existing space and he didn't believe it came to the
Planning Commission at all. Chairperson Jonathan noted that the project
did and the redesign of the project did and parking was a major issue in
the entire redesign. Mr. Drell clarified that what came to the commission
was the addition of the new buildings on EI Paseo. Chairperson Jonathan
pointed out that involved the redesign of the parking lot, taking into
consideration all of the uses in the common shared parking lot. Mr. Drell
said that Office Max was already a tenant. Office Max reoccupied that
building long befiore those additional buildings. As long a business does
i�.. not require more than 4/1 ,000 it can occupy any space on EI Paseo.
Chairperson Jonathan said he would let it go for now, but they could talk
about it later. He had a problem with a moving target and the subjectivity
involved in determining whether a retail operation is 2/1 ,000 or 4/1 ,000.
Without a specific list, they could have other types of office stores that
would be conditioned on 4/1 ,000. So he did have an issue just with the
process. Leaving things to subjectivity created all sorts of problems.
Chairperson Jonathan asked about Diagram B which was enclosed in
their packets that indicates a restaurant of 3,415 square feet. But there
was also a chart of outdoor seating of 602 square feet which he thought
added nine tables at four per table approximately, maybe some outdoor
bar area. As he understood it, that was not taken into the consideration
of the calculation of the parking demand and the 17%. Mr. Drell said that
historically they have sometimes taken into account outdoor seating and
sometimes they haven't in that they typically in the season are
sometimes used. They generally can't reserve seats outdoors.
Chairperson Jonathan clarified he was talking about the calculation that
staff presented. Mr. Drell said that apparently Mr. Bagato didn't have that
in there, but it was still under the 20%. Chairperson Jonathan noted that
in this particular instance, there is about as much seating outside and
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there is inside if he was looking at it right. After further study he said
that might be wrong because the exterior tables are within the closed
doors. Mr. Drell said that was correct. Chairperson Jonathan noted that
there were still potentially 36 more customers which would not place a
demand of 36 parking spaces, but some amount. Mr. Drell said maybe
eight or nine. Chairperson Jonathan noted it could perhaps be 18 if there
were two people per car.
There were no other questions and Chairperson Jonathan o�ened the
public hearing and asked the applicant to address the commission.
MR. JOHN VUKSIC, with Prest Vuksic Architects, was also
present representing the owner. He commented that using the
20% allowable restaurant, even at 4/1 ,000 for Office Max, they
were easily within the limits that are typically used. He thought the
fact that the restaurants on the site are at polar opposites on the
site was important as well. So there wasn't a concentration of
parking at one end. Finally, he also wanted to point out that even
though it used in the calculations, the reality is that there are 23 �
spaces also along EI Paseo and Lupine where people do park. He �
asked if there were any questions. There were none.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing
was closed. Chairperson Jonathan asked for commission comments.
Commissioner Tschopp indicated he had a question for staff. Prior to
Office Max it was a Safeway (grocery storel. If Office Max was to move
out and another store moved in in the same category, he asked if it
would come back to the Planning Commission. Mr. Drell noted that it
was a Smith's Food King and then a Lucky's. Unfortunately, there is an
existing deed restriction on the property that prevents it being reoccupied
by another supermarket for the next 19 years. He said Whole Foods
wanted to go in there one time and couldn't. The answer is no, as long
as it's 4/1 ,000. He explained that the calculation on the 20% is based
on it being a regular retail store. The table was trying to show what the
really functional demand is based on each individual business apart from
the generalized use. But as long as it is a retail store that doesn't demand
more than 4/1 ,000, it would not have to come back to the Planning �
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Since this is the same owner on the same complex, Commissioner
Tschopp asked if they could condition it to say that if the use of Office
Max changed creating a parking, that it would also need to be included
in a parking agreement. Mr. Dreli explained that if and when that lease
became available for modification, the answer is yes. But unfortunately
that lease was 19 years, so it's probably 15 years now and that lease is
controlled by a different party. It isn't controlled by the owner of the
property, it is controlled by Louis Strausz who took over the lease from
Lucky's. But to say if and when that lease became available or a new
lease, in essence any new lease on ihe property which would include this
property if and when a new lease was negotiated.
If he was reading Commissioner Tschopp correctly, Chairperson Jonathan
said essentially the concern is if Office Max moved out and a higher
intensity user occupied that space, he asked if what Mr. Drell was
describing would give the commission the opportunity to look at the
parking aspect. Mr. Drell said no. Higher intensity means higher intensity
than Office Max, but if it is less than 4/1 ,000 there is an ordinance ihat
says less that 4/1,000 can reoccupy a space. Staff's experience with
�.. Office Max before the construction was that parking lot looked empty
and he was sure they were going out of business. So as long as Office
Max is there there is a huge surplus. He wasn't sure what they would do
with a new tenant going into that space because it is parked 4/1,000 and
if it is a 4/1,000 business, normally they would let them go in. Requiring
that new leases require parking at the Gardens substantially addresses
any of those problems since most businesses sometimes a third of the
long-term parking demand are employees.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if Mr. Drell knew how long the Office Max
lease runs for. Mr. Drell said when it went in it was 19 years. They took
over the remaining period of the Lucky's lease. He thought it had been
there four or five years.
Commissioner Lopez asked about the new buildings that were added on
along EI Paseo. The conditions included that if there was a parking
problem, all of those employees park in the Gardens. Mr. Drell said that
the new buildings that were added on say whether or not there's a
parking problem they are supposed to park in the Gardens. Commissioner
Lopez noted that Coco's and KFC don't. Mr. Drell concurred and said it
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was because they are not new leases. Commissioner Lopez said it
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seemed like everything was riding on the back of Office Max's not using �
very much parking space. Mr. Drell said no, the 20% assumed a full
4/1 ,000 user. So the fact that it is Office Max makes it even a stronger
case, but staff's assumption is the occupant of Office Max is a 4/1 ,000
user if they use the same standard they've used every where else on EI
Paseo. Commissioner Lopez said they were also looking at it as 2/1 ,000
because that is the nature of the business. Mr. Drell said they were
talking about two different things, the dynamics of a parking lot and how
restaurant lunch use interacts with general use. He indicated there are
two reasons why it works, not only on EI Paseo but almost every where
they've used it. A large percentage of the shopping public at lunch are
eating lunch, not shopping. Therefore, it is the same customer. He asked
Commissioner Campbell if between 12:00 p.m. and 1 :00 p.m. if things
slowed down a little bit. Commissioner Campbell said yes, they know
when people are eating lunch. Mr. Drell said that the reason those
customers are not there is because they are eating lunch. There is really
no conflict.
Secondly, this related why all successful streets have a lot of restaurants !
is what they want to do is keep their customer there on the street at �
lunch time. They don't want them going off to the River or to somewhere `�
else. If they show up at 1 1 :00 a.m. to go shopping, they want to them
to eat lunch on the street so that they shop on the street after lunch.
That is why there's this necessary relationship of balance of restaurant
use. That's why the Gardens is about 20% restaurant use as well. It's
actually necessary for the success of the retailers to have the food
attractions that keep customers there in the middle of the day. And they
don't compete with the retailers since they are eating lunch. They have
to eat lunch somewhere and they would rather have them eating lunch
on the street than somewhere else.
Chairperson Jonathan said it wouldn't surprise him if Office Max's
activity actually picks up during the lunch hour because of various office
people that will use that opportunity to pick up the stuff they need. They
might buck the trend. Mr. Drell agreed. But for a 25,000 square foot
business compared to what Lucky's used to do, but even when Lucky's
was there the parking lot would rarely ever fill and they did great
business.
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Commissioner Campbell said that being on EI Paseo in retail for 16 years,
she hoped that one of these years they would really like to see a parking
problem during the day and in the evening. Most of the stores close at
5:00 p.m., 5:30 p.m, or 6:00 p.m. The Gardens stays open until 9:00
p.m. during the season and they have the restaurants. The restaurants
are busy, but the other restaurants that are on fhe streets, there is ample
parking for all of them, especially where this restaurant is going. She
frequents Office Max during the day and in the evening. She goes there
at 7:00 p.m. and the place is empty. The parking lot is just empty. She
thought it was dying on the vine, so she was happy to learn how they do
their business there. But also, there's the gallery that John has next to
this proposed restaurant. If it doesn't have the restaurant, no one would
frequent that art gallery and it is a gorgeous art gallery. People wouldn't
see it with a retail store in front of it and they won't know there's
anything else behind it. She thought John has done a wonderful job on
those buiidings and hoped he would come down to her end of the street
so they could tear all of that down and redo it. But being on the street for
16 years, being President of the EI Paseo Business Association for eight
years, she has seen many changes on the street and they do like to have
ti. more restaurants, more outside patios to that the people who do shop
don't have to park in the specific area where the restaurant is, they can
park down at one end, walk the street, stop for lunch and go back to
their cars. Just because that restaurant will be there, that doesn't mean
that people will be taking their car to that specific place. She was all in
favor of the restaurant.
Commissioner Finerty concurred and added that as Mr. Vuksic pointed
out, the restaurants are at different ends of the site. She is an internet
shopper, so she doesn't have a need to go to Office Max. It works out
great; they deliver right to the front door. She was always pleased to
have a project that John Vuksic is involved with because she knew it
would be a quality project. She thought this restaurant would be a great
addition to the area if they were to serve breakfast as mentioned by Mr.
Drell and she would be in favor of the project.
Commissioner Lopez concurred also. He hoped that everyone is so
successful that it creates a parking problem, but it sounded like
everything was safe and they have some conditions in place to at least
attempt to mitigate problems if any ever occurred. He thought it was a
` great project and felt good about it.
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Commissioner Tschopp said any parking concerns that were potential �
problems that he could see happening with this project are mitigated by
the parking structure at the Gardens that has a lot of capability and
capacity. He also thought staff's recommendation of a parking
management plan should help mitigate any problems.
Chairperson Jonathan also concurred. He felt they are right to be vigilant
about the parking situation on EI Paseo. He has joyfully experienced
challenges in finding a parking spot even at the Gardens recently, which
he was very excited about. It's the first time he's had a problem finding
a parking spot in the structure. Obviously anyone going to Daily Grill and
that end of EI Paseo has a challenge with parking. He happens to
frequent Palm Desert Tobacco and that is always challenging. So those
are good signs and good problems to have, but nevertheless, good
problems can turn into bad problems, so they need to continue to be
vigilant about it. Having said that, not only would this restaurant make
a logical addition to the complex, but he thought there were proper
mitigations and they are under the 20%. Any kind of parking problems
are and will be adequately mitigated.
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Chairperson Jonathan asked for a motion. '�
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2256, approving
Case No. CUP 04-03, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
B. Case No. PP 03-21 - PRES DEVELOPMENT & CM SERVICES INC.,
Applicants
Request for approval of a precise plan to construct 16 light
industrial buildings with a combined floor area of 174,550
square feet on a 10.21-acre parcel. The project site is
located at the southeast corner of Dinah Shore Drive (to be
constructed) and Leilani Way (to be constructed). �
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Chairperson Jonathan advised the commission that he had a potential
conflict of interest with regard to this matter so he would turn the
meeting over to Vice Chairperson Tschopp and then he excused himself
from the meeting.
Vice Chairperson Tschopp asked for a staff report.
Mr. Urbina explained that the 10.21-acre project site is located at
approximately a half mile east of Monterey. He outlined the salient points
of the staff report. He stated that staff received a letter today from Mr.
Paul Quill, representing the property owner to the south (Mr. Bernard
DeBonne), and some of the issues raised in the letter included the issue
of along the southerly property line and whether Buildings 5-10 requires
a 25-foot setback instead of the five-foot proposed minimum setback.
The reason this issue was being raised is that with the new general plan
designation of Residential on the property to the south, the S.I. zone
states that if there are adjacent residentially zoned properties, that the
setback needs to be increased a minimum of 25 feet. However, the
property to the south is still zoned Se�vice lndustria! and this project was
` filed last fall well before the adoption of the new general plan land use.
The applicant informed staff that upon further discussions with Mr. Quill,
the main concerns of the property to the south include the fact that the
property to the south is nine to 12 feet higher causes the property owner
concern about what will be the future views looking north into this
project. One concern is the viewing of roof-mounted mechanical
equipment from the property to the south. If it is eventually zoned for
residential uses, it could include two-story residential buildings and they
would be looking down upon roof-mounted mechanical equipment on
Buildings 5-10. Staff had a condition of approval requiring that the
parapet walls on all these buildings be at least as high as the highest
piece of roof-mounted mechanical equipment, but the property owner to
the south is concerned if there are two-story buildings constructed on his
property that they would be able to look down at that roof-mounted
equipment over the parapet walls. That was one concern.
The second concern raised is what the rear of Buildings 5-10 will look
like. He showed the southe►!y elevations of Buildings 6 and 7 and said it
was representative of Buildings 5-10's southerly elevation. Mr. DeBonne
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redesigned to provide more architecture and visual aesthetic interest.
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Because of those concerns raised by the property owner to the south,
staff's recommendation is that the Planning Commission approve Precise
Plan 03-21 based on the findings and subject to the conditions in the
draft Planning Commission Resolution attached to the staff report with
the following added condition to the Department of Community
Development conditions, No. 20, "Prior to final approval of the project
plans by the Architectural Review Commission, the applicant shall revise
the rear yard landscaping along the project's southerly property line to
provide additional screening of the project site from the property to the
south. The screening shall specifically address parking and screening of
roof-mounted mechanical equipment. The applicant shall also revise the
southerly elevations of Buildings 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 to enhance the
architectural appearance. With that condition, staff thought the property
owner's concerns could be adequately addressed.
Going back to the turn around stalls, Commissioner Finerty asked for
clarification on its purpose. Mr. Urbina stated that the City Council
resolution attached to the Planning Commission staff report requires that �
all dead-end parking aisles that are 10 spaces or more deep have a turn �
around stall so that someone would not have to back out straight for a `�
distance of 150 feet. Mr. Drell concurred. If all the spaces were full, they
would have a space to make a three-point turn. Commissioner Finerty
asked if the diagonal line simply represented a turn around stall, how it
is that the stall would be left vacant. Mr. Urbina said it would either be
posted with striping or signs "no parking." Mr. Drell said that they would
also only make it 12 feet deep. They don't start turning until halfway out
of a space, so they were going to make it shallower to make it very clear.
Otherwise, if that was the only space empty, they won't turn around in
it, they would park in it so it physically had to be made shallow enough
that it is clearly not a parking space.
Commissioner Finerty asked for clarification on overnight parking. Mr.
Urbina said that in some of the dead-end stalls the applicant was
proposing sliding wrought iron gates. The applicant envisioned that some
of his tenants might be contractors that have company vehicles that they
want to store overnight and provide some meaningful security.
Commissioner Finerty asked if the sliding wrought iron gates would only
be for the contractors and owners and would not lend itself to RV parking `'
or any kind of overnight parking. Mr. Urbina clarified that the only �
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overnight parking would be for the tenants' company vehicles. There is
a condition of approval requiring that these access gates remain open
during business hours. Commissioner Finerty asked if there is a condition
that states that this type of parking is for tenants only. Mr. Urbina said
no. That parking would be available for tenants and the public during
business hours. Commissioner Finerty asked about after business hours.
He was referring to overnight parking. Mr. Urbina said there wasn't a
condition specifically stating that overnight parking shall be for tenants
only, but they could add that language. Referring to the area by Gold's
Gym, Commissioner Finerty explained that her concern is for all the
problems they have had their with the parking of the big rigs and those
sorts of things and she wouldn't want to see this area become another
spot to store the large trucks and the trailers. Mr. Urbina said they could
add a sentence to the Department of Community Development Condition
No. 16 stating that overnight parking shall only be allowed for tenants.
Commissioner Finerty said that would be fine.
Commissioner Campbell asked if Mr. Urbina could tell her if the T's that
are taking up a parking space are for trash. Mr. Urbina said that was
'� correct. They were trash enclosures. Commissioner Campbell noted that
there was a letter with the staff report from Management Analyst Frankie
Riddle stating that maybe that wouldn't be ample trash enclosures. She
asked if it was enough. Mr. Urbina said that to address the issue of
making sure there are a sufficient number of trash enclosures and that
the locations are convenient to the tenants, staff is recommending
Department of Community Development Condition No. 19 that requires
that prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall submit
a project site plan to Waste Management of the Dese�t for approval of
trash enclosures, locations and types. That would also include the
number of trash enclosures. Commissioner Campbell asked if it would be
different than that is on the plan right now. Mr. Urbina said it could be
if Waste Management determined that it was necessary to revise
locations and number.
Commissioner Campbell noted that the tower elements are over 30 feet
but less than 50 feet, but it was only showing on Building 1 and 12. She
asked if all the other buildings would have tower elements and if they
would be of the same height or if they would be a little lower than
Buildings 1 and 12. Mr. Urbina said they would also be over 35 feet.
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They were indicated by the black asterisk. For example, the tower on
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Building 4, the elevation shows the height of that tower at 35 feet 6 �
inches. Commissioner Campbell asked for confirmation that the buildings
would not be any higher than 28 feet, from 25 to 28. Mr. Urbina said 30
feet is the maximum height limit for non-tower element portions of the
buildings. They would not be higher than 30 feet.
Commissioner Lopez asked if they were going in with this southern
exposure as Service Industrial for the setback matter, not the newly
designated High Density Residential. Mr. Drell said they were betwixt and
between. He thought what the adjacent property owner realized was that
since he is going to be significantly higher, probably after he grades his
property he might be 15 or 20 feet higher than this site and it was better
for him to have buildings right up to the property line than to have
setbacks with activity behind those buildings in terms of traffic going by,
storage, or something. So after making that request, his second thought
was if given the grade difference, typically they have a setback to create
a separation between the mass of two projects between residential and
the industrial. In this case since the residential was going to be 15 to
20% higher, it wasn't a mass problem, it was understood that it was �
going to be more of a noise problem. The more activity happening behind �
the buildings would exaggerate that, therefore, he didn't think he had
that concern, but they would find out from public testimony. The bigger
issue was aesthetics and the biggest issue was looking at not mass, but
not enough mass since it was conceivable that they would end up
looking down on the roofs. Therefore, the problem becomes how to
screen rooftop equipment from above which is a problem they normally
don't have to deal with. He said the commission would be getting the
project, he thought at the next meeting, where it is up against the
interchange that has a solution to that. In essence, building a roof over
the roof to screen the rooftop equipment from above. Obviously they
need more height to do that, but when the sensitive viewers are already
significantly higher, then they aren't worried about the height of the
building, they're worried that the buildings aren't high enough. Because
they are betwixt and between the zone changes, they want to come up
with a solution that really fits the site and the desires of the adjacent
property owner. They have the ability to do that since it technically the
zoning hasn't occurred yet. �
On the conditions of approval for the Riverside County Fire Marshal No.
16, Commissioner Finerty noted that it says only parking of vehicles shall
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be allowed in secured parking areas and no storage would be allowed in
secured parking areas. She asked if secured parking area was what they
had been talking about for overnight parking with the sliding wrought iron
gates. Mr. Urbina said that was correct. The secured parking areas are
those areas where wrought iron fencing and sliding wrought iron gates
are proposed. Commissioner Finerty reiterated that it is covered that
there wouldn't be any storage, as well as for tenants only. Mr. Urbina
concurred.
Vice Chairperson Tschopp had a question regarding the ingress and
egress of the traffic circulation. He understood that there is a reciprocal
agreement with the adjacent property owners. He asked if that was
anticipated in the future for vehicles to make a left turn out at some time
to get to Monterey as opposed to heading down Dinah Shore. Mr. Urbina
stated that the purpose of requiring the applicant to offer reciprocal
access with properties to the west and to the east was because Public
Works wanted to provide a circulation opportunity that would allow
vehicles from this site to access adjacent sites to the west and east
without having to go out onto Dinah Shore Drive. Vice Chairperson
�•• Tschopp said if he understood it right now, to exit this property they
could only take a right onto Dinah Shore. He asked if that was correct.
Mr. Urbina said someone could exit by taking a left from Leilani Way onto
west bound Dinah Shore after Dinah Shore is constructed. He noted it
was under construction now. Vice Chairperson Tschopp reiterated that
someone would be able to leave this project, take a left and get to
Monterey or down to that area. Mr. Urbina said that was correct, by
exiting via Leilani Way.
Vice Chairperson Tschopp opened the public hearing and asked the
applicant to address the commission.
MR. GARY LEViNSKI, a Senior Vice President and one of the
partners on this project, stated that they have been working with
Francisco and Phil on this project.
Commissioner Lopez asked Mr. Levinski for his address for the record.
Mr. Levinski said it is 1201 Dove Street, Newport Beach,
California. He said they have been working with Phil and Francisco
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Department he thought they had come up with a site pian that
addresses everyone's concerns, as well as their past experience
dressed up what they would typically send out as industrial
buildings. He thought they would see through the renderings that
they dolled up the front of them quite substantially. Up until three
weeks ago their south neighbor was Service Industrial. They had
since discussed today his letter and issues. The one issue that
came up was the setback to the south. This just came up for them
in the last 24 hours. They looked at that and they basically have
a lower elevation with a slope going up to the south property
which they feel, talking to their engineer this afternoon, is probably
right about 25 feet, 20-25 feet, so even worst case if the south
property goes residential, he didn't think they would have a
setback issue. But they did talk today with Mr. Quill who
represents the DeBonne property to the south. He thought those
issues could be addressed from their standpoint relatively easy.
He noted that someone mentioned secured parking. He said they
also have parks throughout Southern California that they have �
done just like this. They are governed not only by city jurisdiction, �
but they have design guidelines and CC&R's given to them by the
master plan of the 170 acres. As well, they have fairly stringent
CC&R's that govern the trash, parking, storage and all of that. It
would be drawn up and submitted to the City for recordation as
well.
He stated that the project architect was present.
There were no questions for the applicant. Vice Chairperson Tschopp
asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the
proposed project.
MR. PAUL QUILL, 51-245 Avenida Rubio in La Quinta, stated that
he was present on behalf of Bernard DeBonne, who is out of the
country this week. He hoped the commission received the letter
they drafted regarding the application and hoped they had a
chance to review. He didn't want to go into in any depth, but
would point out on the very first part of that he referenced the
first case that was before the commission regarding the restaurant �
and that was in e�ror. However, that being said, he was totally in �
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favor of another restaurant on EI Paseo and another watering hole
opportunity.
Having spoken with the applicant today, their primary concern is
a result of the Council's decision to change the land use
designation. Yes, it is by virtue of the fact that the zoning has not
changed, the zoning is still S.I., but the land use designation is
now Medium Density Residential and that creates a conflict and
they have to look at it from the perspective of what will be able to
be approved there. Now they had to look at it as residential
property, so it has totally different opportunities looking at it from
that view point. Before when they were S.I., what happened on
that south property line was really not very important because
what happened on the adjacent property was going to be similar.
Now with the opportunity to do some type of inedium or high
density residential, it could go two or three stories and the idea of
screening and buffering that becomes the major significant point.
Both the Francisco's and the applicant's comments, they are not
concerned about the fact that they need a 25-foot setback. That
�••• is only pointed out to say that is what the zoning ordinance
requires if the zone is residential per the table in the staff report.
Frankly, he thought less was actually in this case better. What
they would prefer though is that there is a five-foot setback
already existing there and that there needs to be ample vertical
landscape elements planted in that area. They were thinking about
palm trees, tall, vertical elements to soften the elevations of the
backs of those buildings and they would hope that they could
work with applicant and that the condition would require the
applicant to work on improving those elevations to some degree
on the south because right now they are just a stark, blank, tilt-up
concrete wall. If he was living facing north, whether in high
density residential, whether it was condominiums, apartment
living, whatever it is, he wouldn't really want to look at that and
it would be a less desirable opportunity for him from a residential
standpoint. So they do think there are some impacts that exist
now that didn't exist before with respect to the adjacent
residential property and he wouldn't go into all the things on the
list.
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He said they are in favor of the project. They don't want to hold �
them up and believed they can say they are in favor of the
commission approving the project tonight with appropriate
conditions and he thought some strengthening a little bit of the
language of that additional condition would allow that to happen.
They don't want to delay these guys and would like to see them
move forward, but they did want some security in knowing that
that southerly property line is going to be able to look different
than it does now. And issues that could potentially impact the
southerly property that are not there today need to be mitigated.
That would include the retaining wall issue, the height of the
retaining walls, the structural design of the retaining walls and
some of those types of issues as they might increase structurally
from a building and safety stand point the need to move back from
the retaining walls in the future just because they haven't been
built adequately or something to that effect. So those were just
some of the simple building and safety type of architectural
articulation issues that they would like to make sure they get some
conditions and have another chance to discuss with the applicant. �
Mr. Drell said what they were proposing, since they weren't even sure `�
what some of those things are, is that prior to the issuance of building
permits for the project, that they will give the applicant and the neighbor
a chance to work these things out. If they work them out, then we are
all happy. If for some reason they can't be worked out, then the
remaining issues would come back to the Planning Commission.
Mr. Quill said they were all screening issues.
Mr. Drell confirmed that they knew what the problem was, they just
weren't sure what all the solutions might be.
Mr. Quill concurred.
Mr. Drell said the applicant didn't know what their grade was going to be
or what sorts of retaining walls and slopes were going to be inherent in
how they grade their property. Now the question is if Mr. DeBonne is
going to start doing some preliminary work so they can figure out what
those interface problems might be in terms of what sorts of slopes he t
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was going to have on his property and what sort of retaining walls he
was going to need based on how he is going to grade.
Mr. Quill said that being that his property was down zoned three
weeks ago, they really haven't had a chance to think about it or
address it. He has been involved with Mr. DeBonne on this for
about two days and he's out of the country in Syria and not even
accessible by fax or phone, and hopefully he's safe, so he couldn't
really say other than to say that he thought that he (if he's
included) and Bernard could adequately work with the applicant to
insure that they get something that works for everybody.
Mr. Drell said he wasn't sure it was a down zoning; it was a different
zoning. Since the Council did that, there has been a g�eat deal of interest
from several develope�s in the property for medium or high density
housing.
Mr. Quill said he wasn't there to try and convince the City to
change their mind and go back the other way. Mr. DeBonne has
�... come to grips that his property is changed and he can live with
that, he is just trying to mitigate the impacts to the south that
weren't there before looking at it from another perspective. He
said most of his comments are just entered into the record to
insure they are protecting their future rights as well. But he
thought they could work with the applicant and he didn't have any
issues with that if they are willing. There might be a little more
expense involved in landscape treatments and architectural
articulation and a few things like that. He thanked the commission.
Vice Chairperson Tschopp asked if the applicant had any rebuttal
comments.
Mr. Levinski reiterated that they talked today and have agreed
within reason to sit down with them and find out what they can
do to address their issues and as was said, they would be
agreeable to work with them over the next, however the caveat
was put on it, that by the time they go to pull a permit and go
back before architectural review, that they have some type of
notarized agreement with Mr. DeBonne that they have satisfied
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Vice Chairperson Tschopp closed the public hearing and asked for
commission comments.
Commissione� Finerty moved for approval. Commissioner Campbell
seconded the motion. Vice Chairperson Tschopp asked if there were any
comments.
Commissioner Lopez said he wasn't sure why he was uncomfortable
about this, and maybe he shouldn't be so they had to help him with this.
The gentleman put into the record concerns regarding setback issues as
it pertains to land use for high density. Where they were moving is they
are comfortable with what was presented tonight, that being the
setbacks are not an issue, that the landscaping or other mitigations can
be agreed upon by the two entities will work out okay. Everything would
work out okay they hoped. Mr. Drell said if not, it comes back to the
commission to adjudicate the dispute. Again, this is a problem where
they had two property owners who were working along their merry way
with a certain degree of certainty and the City has suddenly thrown at
the last hour a surprise in on both of them. So they would work with �
them to allow them to solve the problem and allow the project to move �
forward. He thought all the problems were addressable and it would
allow them to work it out. If they work it out, everything can proceed. If
not, they would have to come back. Commissioner Lopez asked if it
would probably be attached to that conditional use permit regarding
setback, views and things along that line. Mr. Drell asked if he meant the
issues that come back to the commission. Commissioner Lopez said yes.
Mr. Drell said the issues that would come back would be the ones that
aren't resolved. Almost all of their zones have an exceptions process that
allows them to come up with unique solutions that work. One of the
things that they were going to be needing to do with this new residential
zone is there would probably have to be a lot of zoning ordinance
amendments, not just changes to the map that respond to the goals and
objectives of the new general plan. Until they do that, they could allow
the people caught in the middle to work out their unique solutions.
Obviously those solutions would have to make sense to the city as well.
Commissioner Finerty noted that was provided for in Condition No. 20.
Mr. Drell concurred.
Vice Chairperson Tschopp said he had the same comments and concerns �
and he was happy to see that the adjacent property owner had their say �
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and hopefully they could work out any differences. He noted there was
a motion and a second and called for the vote.
Action:
it was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 4-
0.
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2257, approving
Case No. PP 03-21, subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried 4-
0.
C. Case No. PP 04-03 - PALM LAKE, LLC, Applicant
Request for a approval of a precise plan to amend Precise
Plan 84-17 allowing a reduction in parking requirements in a
PR zone which will allow the conversion oi an existing
�••. apartment complex to condominiums. The subject property is
known as Palm Lake Villas Apartments at 43-376 Cook Street.
Mr. Drell outlined the salient points of the staff report.
Commissioner Finerty asked if the streets are public or private. Mr. Drell
answered that the streets within the project are all private. Commissioner
Finerty asked if the HOA would be responsible for maintaining the private
streets. Mr. Drell said that was correct. Commissioner Finerty asked how
the City would have jurisdiction to go in and enforce parking on private
streets. Mr. Drell said we could not enforce illegal parking; we could
enforce the requirement that no tenant had more than two vehicles. If
they weren't enforcing it and for some reason that problem was
manifesting itself on the public, if we saw this horrendous parking
problem out there and for some reason people were actually parking on
Cook Street and walking into the project from Cook Street. Commissioner
Finerty asked if it didn't manifest itself to the public outside the project,
if the City would get involved. Mr. Drell said we have the ability to get
involved. Typically the City is not a named party in any CC&R's. CC&R's
are contracts between private parties, none of which is the City. They
usually involve issues that are not generally of gove�nment interest. If we
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are going to find relief of a condition, then they need some mechanism '"'�
to have a reasonable chance that relief could be justified.
Commissioner Finerty asked if the City plays a role in any other projects
like this in the city where they can enforce the condition with regard to
the owners or tenants having two vehicles. Mr. Drell said no. Every
condominium project in the city, in virtually all the other condominium
projects there are normal garages and driveways and in those situations
they count the driveway as the additional half parking space. Obviously
in a conversion we are stuck with what we have. So when they talk
about the general plan, the general plan encourages ownership housing
so that the overall process of creating condominiums is one the Council
chose to endorse. Commissioner Finerty asked if all the units would be
for sale. Mr. Drell said that was a question for the applicant. He believed
they would be. Whether they are all ultimately owner-occupied is
different question. In many condominium projects people buy them as an
investment and they are turned over to a management agency.
Commissioner Finerty noted that it lends itself to very difficult
management of parking and vehicles. Mr. Drell said that is why staff felt �
that if things got out of hand we retain the unique ability to sort things �
out if there is a problem.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if there were any other comments or
questions. There were none. Chairperson Jonathan opened the public
hearing and asked the applicant to address the commission.
MR. CORBITT KERR, 43-376 Cook Street, said he represented the
applicant and was present to answer any questions.
Commissioner Finerty asked if all of the 220 apartments would be sold
as condos.
Mr. Kerr said they would be offered for sale.
Commissioner Finerty asked for confirmation that the idea is to have all
ownership with no rentals.
Mr. Kerr said that was correct.
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Commissioner Finerty asked if he had a time frame approximately that he
is looking at.
Mr. Kerr said it was hard to gauge. It was a long process and they
were probably looking at nine months to a year.
Commissioner Finerty asked if he anticipated that people who are renting
there would be potential buyers.
He said absolutely. They hoped as much.
Commissio�er Finerty asked what the occupancy rate was at the present
time.
Mr. Kerr said it is approximately 87%.
Commissioner Campbe(( asked about the size of the one and two
bedroom apartments.
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one mix and a two-two mix and they range in size from 750
square feet up to 950 square feet.
With regard to the parking, Commissioner Tschopp asked if the driveway
that leads to this project is a part of this project or if it is private.
Mr. Kerr explained that there is one easement that leads to another
lot and then it turns left and that is their street. They are actually
proposing to put in a guard shack. They would be coming to the
City to try and get permits for that.
Commissioner Tschopp said that the drive running to their development
is part of their property.
Mr. Kerr said yes.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if the other one belonged to the Palma Villa
homes.
Mr. Kerr concurred.
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Commissioner Finerty asked if the guard shack would be there for onsite �
security and patrolled.
Mr. Kerr said it would be there throughout the sales of the units.
Someone would be posted at the guard shack.
Commissioner Finerty asked what would happen when the developer left.
Mr. Kerr said that when the developer leaves, that item was not
put into the HOA, but they were proposing a disclosure that would
make that very relevant to all the purchasers of the condominiums.
They could choose to add it if they wished.
Commissioner Finerty asked for confirmation that they are setting this up
as an HOA. She asked if there were going to be dues to maintain the
common area.
Mr. Kerr said yes.
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Commissioner Finerty asked if all the landscaping was common area. �
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Mr. Kerr said yes.
Mr. Drell explained that these would be air space condominiums so the
association will own the entire property.
Mr. Kerr said that was correct.
Commissioner Lopez asked if Mr. Kerr was comfortable with all the
conditions of approval, specifically Community Development #2
indicating ihat the restrictions shall be enforced by the City as well as the
association.
Mr. Kerr said yes.
Mr. Drell said he might want to change that condition to say it "may" be
enforced by the City. In essence the City has the ability to do it.
Mr. Kerr explained that they put it in there so that the City would �
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there was any kind of issue then it would be self regulated. If
there's an association, there's a board that is affiliated with that
association and it's their own community. So if there is a parking
problem, they would deal with it themselves. As a further
assurance, they put the provision in there that gave the City a
guarantee that if there was a problerri and the association wasn't
doing anything about it, they could step in and handle the problem.
Chai�person Jonathan asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing
was closed. Chairperson Jonathan asked for commission comments.
Commissioner Campbell didn't see any problem with converting these
apartments to condominiums. First of all, the size of the apartments,
even though they are two bedrooms and the parking is 2.5, just from the
size she didn't think there would be two vehicles in the two-bedroom
apartment because they aren't large enough to have a teenager that
would have another car. Also, from the parking survey that was
conducted at 6:00 a.m. and 6:30 p.m., they could see that at 6:00 a.m.
�r,,,, there were more vacant spaces then at the p.m. time. She thought that
was a good time to see who was home and who would be there taking
up parking spaces. With the CC&R's with the parking requirements, and
if they needed additional parking it would be made available, so she was
in favor.
Commissioner Tschopp said he was also in favor of the project, but
would counsel that they may want to have the CC&R's or the City's
involvement restricted to in the event of an impact to the surrounding
areas. He didn't think the City wanted to get involved in the homeowners
association that has a board and will be policing its own onsite problems.
But if there should become a problem outside the gates, then the City
should be involved. Otherwise, he thought it was a good project and
should work well.
Chairperson Jonathan commended staff and the applicant for dealing
with the potential parking issue, both through the CC&R's and the
contingent parking plan should it be required. With those two safety
valves, he thought this would work out just fine. He asked if there was
a motion.
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Commissioner Finerty stated that she would concur with Commissioner ""'�
Tschopp with regard to the City not getting involved in the internal
parking problems. From her experience it is difficult enough for a board
to manage parking problems and to think of the City trying to get
involved she thought was a disaster waiting to happen. They are 85
spaces short, but she thought it was the board's responsibility, the
HOA's responsibility, the governing document's responsibility. She
suspected that in the disclosure with regard to the guard shack they
should also include that this is currently under parked so that people
know when they come in that parking may very well become a problem.
But she would be opposed to the language involving the City in trying to
manage the parking problem.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if it was a specific condition she was
referring to. Mr. Drell said he had a question for the applicant. He had
already submitted these CC&R's to the Department of Real Estate. (Mr.
Kerr said yes.) Commissioner Finerty noted that the language was on
page 3 under No.1 CC&R's and parking requirements where it starts in
quotations, "a maximum of..." kind of in the middle of the page of the
staff report. Mr. Drell said he was looking for the actual exhibit of the �
CC&R's. Commissioner Campbell pointed out in the conditions of "'r
approval it is No. 2. Mr. Drell noted that the wording said "shall be
enforced" and what they want to be able to say and the question is if
they have to amend ihe CC&R's. Commissioner Finerty said she would
take out the last sentence. Mr. Drell thought it should say, "which may
be enforced by the City if as a result of the parking shortage it impacts
the general public." Commissioner Finerty thought that if the City is going
to get involved, it needs to specify the general public is clearly outside of
the development. There is no internal control. That is left up to the board.
Mr. Drell concurred. The city's involvement would be limited to impacts
beyond the project boundary.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if 7.8.4, the last sentence, if it was broad
enough so that the City has the discretion to either exercise it or not. Mr.
Drell said it says if the board fails to enforce it, the City may enforce it.
Commissioner Finerty noted that it is not delineating between internal and
external problems. Chairperson Jonathan said he didn't disagree, but he
was saying that the CC&R's themsefves are adequate. If we want to
have a condition or clarify that is the situation under which the City could _
conceivably be called upon. Commissioner Finerty asked if 7.8.4 was in �
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direct conflict with 7.8.3 where it says "which restrictions shall be
enforceable by the City and/or Association." They are talking in one
section "shall" and the next "may" so there is going to be an argument
from the beginning. Mr. Hargreaves said it is a practical matter and he
didn't believe that the City signs these CC&R's, so it could not be
enforced against the City. No one could force the City to do anything and
the City would have the decision regarding the amount it gets involved
in these issues.
Commissioner Finerty pointed out that when people go to buy these and
are told by the sales people that if there's an issue, even though they are
short on parking, the City shall get involved. There is nothing telling
potential buyers that the City does not sign off on these. She thought it
was misleading.
Mr. Kerr said they could change the language.
Mr. Drell said the direction woutd be that the City "may" enforce CC&R's
if the impacts of the shortage extend beyond the project boundary.
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Mr. Kerr said they could change that, no problem.
Mr. Drell said it could say "if it extends beyond the project boundary onto
public streets." Commissioner Finerty said she liked the words "beyond
the project boundary."
Commissioner Tschopp noted that there is a high school and other
parking areas that could be impacted, so he agreed with outside the
project area.
Chairperson Jonathan didn't think that language was necessary, but
would not object. He thought it was fine the way it is but was okay with
what was being proposed as well.
Commissioner Lopez noted that the applicant was willing to make that
change.
Commissioner Campbell said she would make a motion of approval
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wanted clarification that what they were doing was requiring that the "�
CC&R's be modified. Mr. Drell said no, they were amending Community
Development Condition No. 2. It would say that the restriction shall be
enforced by the Association or may be enforced by the City if the
impacts of the parking shortage extend beyond the project boundary. He
said the language in the CC&R's themselves, No. 7.8.4 already uses the
word may and 7.8.3 uses shall. He said they want to separate out the
expectations of enforcement of the HOA versus the City. Chairperson
Jonathan said that is where he didn't see a need for change because
saying enforceable is different than saying shall and for. Mr. Drell said
that is correct and it shall be enforceable. It is just saying we have the
ability. Chairperson Jonathan said he had no problem with modifying
Condition No. 2 and thought it was appropriate. Mr. Drell said the
condition provides the guidance as to under what conditions we would
be interested in enforcing. Chairperson Jonathan asked if that was what
Commissioner Campbell's motion was. She concurred they would be
using the language suggested by Mr. Drell for Condition No. 2.
Commissioner Finerty still thought the language in 7.8.3 in the last
sentence is misleading. Commissioner Lopez noted that the applicant ;
indicated that he would make that language change. He didn't think they �
had the ability to create CC&R's for the association. He thought they "'�
could amend the conditions and then the applicant could change the
language in the CC&R's, which was up to them and their board.
Commissioner Finerty pointed out that right now it is up to the developer.
As a point of order, Chairperson Jonathan noted that there is a motion
on the table. He asked if there was a second to the motion and then they
would go to discussion. Commissioner Tschopp seconded the motion.
Commissioner Finerty thought what they talked about was amending
Condition No. 2 and then when the applicant came up he said he would
be happy to change 7.8.3. That it wasn't an issue. She asked if that was
correct. Commissioner Tschopp said he understood. We amended our
conditions so this commission is stating what they believe the agreement
is. The applicant who is proposing and handling the CC&R's has some
conflicts there that he may want to clean up prior to making it available
to the public for sale. That isn't an issue of this commission. Mr.
Hargreaves said that actually, the City should literally review the CC&R's
to make sure they are consistent with the condition and at that point if
there is an inconsistency, the City can insist that the CC&R's be modified �
appropriately. Chairperson Jonathan said on the face of it, he is reading �
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them as being consistent with the amended Condition No. 2. He didn't
see a conflict there at all. Mr. Hargreaves said that what Commissioner
Finerty is saying, her concern is that potential purchasers not be misled
and he thought the way it is worded right now, that problem remains.
But he thought if they go ahead and adopt the condition they are
proposing to adopt, when this comes back to city staff for approval, that
can be addressed if the developer has not addressed it before, which he
would expect that he would. Mr. Drell said the addition would be to
7.8.4 that the City may enforce such regulations if the negative impacts
of the parking shortage extend beyond the project boundary. The same
language would go in 7.8.4. He thought 7.8.3 was perfectly accurate.
Chairperson Jonathan suggested a revision to the motion that would
further expand Condition No. 2 requiring the City or staff to insure that
the CC&R's are consistent with the conditions of approval. Commissioner
Campbell amended her motion and Commissioner Tschopp amended his
second.
Action:
�•• It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-
0.
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2258, approving
PP 04-03, subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
D. Case No. PP 04-04 - ALFRED COOK/BRIAN GOTTLIEB, Applicants
Request for approval of precise plan to allow construction
of a 25,000 square foot two-story office building on the
east side of Cook Street, 460 feet south of Sheryl Avenue.
Mr. Joy outlined the salient points of the staff report. He indicated that
staff was proposing to revise Public Works Department conditions
referring to the median island (No. 12) and simply state a "raised median
island will be required" and leave the final design into the future. Mr. Drell
said his assumption would be that it would be less than 16 feet. Mr. Joy
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h rd median. Mr. Jo said es. He thou ht the w I I be �
be a a y y g y ou d probab y
looking at 12 or 14 feet. He recommended approval of the project with
that condition amendment.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if there were any concerns about the left
turn into the project of possible traffic problems. He thought it seemed
like a dangerous intersection as they are coming down going up that hill.
Mr. Joy explained that it is a protected left turn. Commissioner Tschopp
asked for further clarification. Mr. Joy said that looking at the plans, this
would be for south bound travel on Cook Street entering into the project.
So it would be a protected left turn. They would only face on coming
traffic and wouldn't have to deal with traffic crossing two ways.
Commissioner Tschopp said his concern was with the slope of the hill
coming up there. He asked if traffic engineering was comfortable that the
line of sight for both vehicles is adequate. If they were the car on Cook
turning left into the project, they would be looking into the project
straight out or having to look down because of the hill and his question
was if we felt comfortable that they can see a fast approaching car
coming up that hill adequately. Mr. Joy said yes, staff felt there was �
adequate visibility. It wasn't that steep and isn't the situation like on �
Portola where they definitely have a visibility problem. He said it wasn't
that severe here. There was no bump that would cause a visibility
problem like that.
Commissioner Lopez noted that there were a couple of inemos attached,
one from Diane Hollinger regarding landscaping. He didn't know if those
were addressed any where in staff's report. Mr. Joy apologized that the
ARC minutes weren't attached to the staff report, but explained that the
landscape plan was continued at ARC. The committee approved the
elevations, but they continued the landscape plan because they didn't
have a chance to respond to Diane's comments.
Commissioner Lopez asked for clarification because one memo said that
the drainage would go into the Whitewater Channel and then the staff �
report said the drainage would now go into Cook Street. He asked if that
was right. Mr. Joy said that was correct. Initially they looked at the
project and thought it would be beneficial if the site was lowered a little
bit so it could drain and wouldn't go out onto Cook Street. But the .
applicant met with the Water District about the two different options and ;
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they determined the best alternative. There's a storm drain located on the '
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project and what the applicant was proposing was to drain the site
having storm drains pick it up and then pipe it down and punching into
the storm drain. That would take it out to the Whitewater Channel and
would remove the necessity of having another drain going into the
Whitewater Channel because it is a little unsightly. In looking at the
channel side and if they have any kind of outlet, they have a maintenance
problem with weeds growing at the bottom of the channel, so it was a
lot cleaner situation. The applicant agreed to do that and preferred to
punch a hole into the storm drain on Cook Street and go ahead and
empty it onto that location. So it wouldn't be going out onto the street
itself, it would be going into the storm drain.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that the applicant wasn't applying for a
change of zone at this time. Mr. Joy concurred. Chairperson Jonathan
said it would be an office building, but on a Service Industrial zoned
property, but subject to all the standards of otfice professional. Mr. Joy
said that was correct. Chairperson Jonathan asked if that was correct in
terms of setbacks, parking requirements, height limitations and so forth
for office professional. Mr. Joy said that was one point staff didn't clarify
�... earlier. Staff's initial concern on this project was the height of the
building measured from Cook Street because there isn't a bridge on Cook
Street yet and it slopes way down. One of the drawings shows that they
applied the 45-degree angle to make sure it didn't violate the angle
requirement for the height of the structure. Mr. Drell said that the
development standards for S.I, are the standards. The only O.P. standard
being used is the parking standard which is the way they have done most
of the quasi office buildings in the S.I. Chairperson Jonathan asked if that
meant they were over the 25-foot limit. Mr. Drell concurred. Chairperson
Jonathan asked if they were concerned about the one foot of setback for
one foot of height. Mr. Drell said from curb, Mr. Joy indicated that it
does meet that. But our interior setbacks in the O.P. are designed for
mitigating impacts adjacent to residential. Chairperson Jonathan thought
he was going onto another subject. The one for one wasn't for
residential. It is a view corridor from the street. Mr. Drell concurred.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if staff was saying this project met that
requirement. Mr. Drell said correct. Obviously there is an exceptional
situation. The property is flat, it's the road that is descending. So it was
kind of hard to figure out and measure what that might be. Chairperson
Jonathan asked if someone had done that. Mr. Drell believed the analysis
was in the report. Mr. Joy said it was one of the copies in the plans.
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Chairperson Jonathan asked if staff was satisfied that it was met. Mr. ""�
Drell said yes. Mr. Joy said the applicant revised his drawings to meet
that criteria and a portion of the building was stepped back to meet it.
Chairperson Jonathan said his other question had to do with the grade of
the driveway approach. He drives by there at least four times a day and
it seemed like its current configuration they would practically need a four-
wheel drive to get up the dirt road, but he tried to imagine what the
reshaped driveway would look like and it still seemed like it would be
pretty steep. He asked if staff addressed that issue. Mr. Joy said yes. It
meets their criteria for driveways. Even if they brought the driveway back
a little bit for the maximum steepness for a driveway. Chairperson
Jonathan asked if the 9% would work. Mr. Joy said yes, they were
comfortable with the 9%. It was indicated that it will be 12%. Mr. Drell
said that limit is placed on them by the Fire Department and 12% is the
steepest slope that the Fire Department will drive their truck up. So that
is where that limitation comes from. Unfortunately. This is a hill.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if this goes up to the 12%. Mr. Drell said
yes. Mr. Joy said one thing to keep in mind when looking at this piece of
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property is that all the trees and shrubs on the Water District's property �
have been hanging over the fence so long they probably protrude a good
40 feet onto this project. So it was really hard to see this property line
because everything �vas hanging over so far. Once they brought the
driveway back, it would help things out. Going up the hill on Cook Street,
then the hill wasn't as steep as looking at the existing driveway.
Chairperson Jonathan commented that he runs the tram road challenge,
which is a 7% grade and vehicles have problems, not just going up but
coming down and that was his basis for comparison. He would go by the
expert opinions and if they were satisfied, but it seemed that 12% was
a steep incline over a short space. So staff was telling them that it should
be okay. Mr. Joy concurred.
Chairperson Jonathan opened the public hearing and asked the applicant
to address the commission.
MR. ALFRED COOK said he also had Brian Gottlieb and Dick
Baxley (their real estate agent on this piece of property) with him
at the meeting. His office is at 45-120 San Pablo in Palm Desert.
He said he and Brian have been happy to work in this community
for the last 30 years doing architectural projects and finally they ?
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were going to be able to do one for themselves, so it was quite
exciting. They were at the meeting mainly to answer any
questions and hopefully get some kind of direction regarding what
the City really wanted them to do in terms of a directive for the
street. Everything they have been told in writing says they are to
put in the median, put in two travel lanes, a decel lane and a
sidewalk. Then there was also discussion of a bike lane which
didn't seem to make sense with this scenario. So he wanted to
have some clarification on that. Other than that, he was present
to answer questions. One other thing is they put on the agenda
today that wasn't in the previous information and that was the
inclusion of a signalization fee and he assumed that was
customary on all projects.
Chairperson Jonathan confirmed that it is. Chairperson Jonathan asked
Mr. Drell if he had any comments about the bike lane or any of the
conditions of approval he thought might require clarification. Mr. Drell
said Mr. Cook's comment was well taken. They needed to be explicit in
designing these road improvements they expect people to install. They
�.. should know about them when we go through this process. Right now
there is a bike lane. Ultimately the bike lane would go between the travel
lane and the right turn lane, so the bike lane would continue to go
straight as the right turn lane veers into the property. He asked if that
was correct or if Mr. Joy would like to elaborate. Mr. Joy stated that
they have been spending quite a bit of time on this issue over the last
few days especially. The more research they did, the can of worms kept
getting bigger. He explained that this project is being conditioned to build
to the ultimate roadway width for Cook Street, which would be three
travel lanes, a bike lane and also a deceleration lane.
Mr. Cook thought it was a decel lane and two travel lanes.
M�. Drell asked where the third lane would be. He asked if the third lane
became the travel lane and if Mr. Joy would explain the relationship
between the future third lane, the bike lane and the decel lane. Mr. Joy
explained it was drawn out on his copy of the grading plan. Mr. Drell
asked if one of the answers was they were going to get enough right-of-
way to allow the third land if and when we ever build it and right now
what was being installed were the two lanes plus the decel lane. He
asked if that was correct. Mr. Joy said they sketched up a design earlier
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that day using the grading plan. From the centerline of the street to �
existing right-of-way is 55 feet. To edge of pavement right now is 43
feet. So what they were requiring was another 12 feet on top of the 43
feet for the widening. He believed it would leave one location 39 feet.
Mr. Drell asked from the center line how much of that would be
occupied. Mr. Joy said it wouldn't be from center line, it would be from
the median location. From the median to the curb would be 39 feet. That
would allow enough room for three travel lanes. Mr. Drell asked what
happened with the bike lane. Mr. Joy said that if they went to six lanes,
the bike lane would disappear. That's one of the requirements for the
eight-foot wide sidewalk. He thought that would be the condition all the
way up and down Cook Street. If they go to six lanes, the bike lane
would disappear up and down Cook Street. Commissioner Lopez asked
if they would share the sidewalk. Mr. Joy said it wasn't an ideal
situation. Commissioner Lopez thought that was better than trying to ride
a bike or having a bike lane with the deceleration lane. He didn't think it
was safe. Commissioner Finerty concurred and with the installation of an
eight-foot sidewalk, that should be plenty of room.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if that clarified the issue for Mr. Cook. '
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Mr. Cook replied somewhat. The plan they drew their little diagram
on, they didn't realize was incorrect because they weren't aware
that the center line of Cook Street actually shifted five to six feet
easterly because of the striped median that is there now is not in
the center as far as this map is concerned. So if they could use
this as a condition, he didn't have a problem with it.
Mr. Drel! said that was okay.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to this matter. There was no one and the public was
closed. Chairperson Jonathan asked for commission commenis.
Commissioner Finerty moved for approval. Commissioner Campbell
seconded the motion. Chairperson Jonathan asked for any discussion.
Commissioner Tschopp stated that it would definitely be a prominent,
noticeable building. He didn't like that part, but thought other things
considered it was fine. �
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Chairperson Jonathan said he might be a minority of one, but he had a
problem not with the overall architecture, but with the second story
aspect. Because this structure rises 49 feet above Cook Street, it calls
for a stepped back second story to soften the impact and instead the
way the architecture is right now, the roof, instead of stepping back the
second story actually made the building more prominent. It is a very
heavy, imposing feature in the architecture and he thought it created the
exact opposite effect of what he would want looking up 49 feet. So he
wasn't opposed to the use, he wasn't opposed to the size of the
building, he wasn't opposed to anything except for the architecture and
the design as it relates to the second story. He thought it made the
situation worse instead of better. For that reason, what he would
personally favor was a continuance to give the applicant and/or ARC the
opportunity to address that matter and see if they could come up with a
softer design with regard to the second story. He might be a minority of
one, but he thought it was their job to express their opinion honestly and
objectively and that was what he was�trying to do.
He asked for any further comments. There were none. He called for a
� vote.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 4-
1 (Chairperson Jonathan voted no►.
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2259, approving
PP 04-04, subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried 4-1
(Chairperson Jonathan voted no).
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
A. Discussion of recently adopted General Plan and Land Use Map
Mr. Drell distributed an excerpt of the staff report that summarized
the major changes, referring to the land use maps included in the
commission's packets reviewed those changes.
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Chairperson Jonathan thanked Mr. Drell for following up on this so �
promptly.
Action:
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
Commissioner Campbell stated that their last meeting was
informational. They would also be having a special meeting next
Wednesday regarding two special benches on EI Paseo.
B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
No meeting.
C. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
No meeting. �
XI. COMMENTS
Commissioner Campbell said she would be absent from the next meeting.
Commissioner Tschopp said he would also be gone. Chairperson
Jonathan, Commissioner Finerty and Commissioner Lopez said they
would all be present.
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XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Chairperson
Jonathan, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:20 p.m.
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