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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY - SEPTEMBER 7, 2004
6:00 P.M. - CIVIC CENTER COUNCIL CHAMBER
73-510 FRED WARING DRIVE
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Jonathan called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Campbell led in the pledge of allegiance.
III. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sabby Jonathan, Chairperson
Dave Tschopp, Vice Chairperson
w.r Sonia Campbell
Cindy Finerty
Jim Lopez (arrived at 6:02 p.m.)
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Phil Drell, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, City Attorney
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Francisco Urbina, Associate Planner
Tony Bagato, Assistant Planner
Phil Joy, Associate Transportation Planner
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Request for consideration of the August 3 and August 17, 2004 meeting
minutes.
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Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the August 3 and August 17, 2004 meeting minutes
as submitted. Motion carried 4-0.
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Mr. Drell summarized pertinent August 26, 2004 City Council actions.
(Commissioner Lopez arrived.)
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
Vll. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 97-09 - MARIO AND REFIKA JERKIC, Applicants
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to merge two
lots at the southeast corner of Boardwalk and St. Charles
Place, 74-141 and 74-121 St. Charles Place.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion
carried 5-0.
Vill. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
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A. Case No. PP 04-10 - TIM DiTOMASO, Applicant
(Continued from May 4, May 18, June 1 , July 6, July 20 and
August 3, 2004)
Request for approval of a precise plan of design for a 7,475
square foot food court and a 3,300 square foot drive-thru
restaurant located on the north side of Gerald Ford Drive
approximately 250 feet east of Cook Street (APN 653-690-
017 and 018).
Mr. Drell explained that the applicant wanted to find some prospective
tenants to see what kind of project they want to see, hence the request
to continue it indefinitely and staff would advertise the project when new
information was received.
Chairperson Jonathan opened the public hearing with the intent to
continue the matter. He asked if anyone wished to speak regarding this
matter. There was no one. He indicated the public hearing would be
continued and asked for a motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, by minute motion, continuing Case No. PP 04-10 to a date
uncertain. Motion carried 5-0.
B. Case Nos. GPA 04-02, C/Z 04-04 and HDP/PP 04-21-
HAGADONE FAMILY TRUST, Applicant
Request for approval of a general plan amendment from
open space public reserve to hillside reserve (one dwelling
unit per five acres), a change of zone to prezone the
northeast corner of Section 5 T5S R6E from Riverside
County's N-A (Natural Assets, one dwelling unit per 20
acres) to HPR, D (Hillside Planned Residential, one dwelling
unit per acre with a drainage, flood plains and watercourse
overlay zone) to facilitate annexation to the city, a hillside
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development plan/precise plan to allow the construction of
a 32,016 square foot single-family home, and adoption of
a Mitigated Negative Declaration as it relates to the project
thereto.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that staff's recommendation was for a
continuance and asked for a staff report. Mr. Drell explained that there
was a mix up with the legal noticing and staff was recommending a
continuance so that it could be corrected.
Chairperson Jonathan opened the public hearing and asked if anyone
wished to address the commission regarding this matter. There was no
one. Continuing the open public hearing, Chairperson Jonathan asked for
a motion.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, by minute motion, continuing this matter to September 21 ,
2004. Motion carried 5-0.
C. Case No. PP 04-18 - INTERTILE, NATURAL STONE SURFACES,
Applicant
Request for approval of a precise plan of design to allow the
construction of an 1 1 ,600 square foot warehouse/storage
building, a 2,100 square foot sales office and an outdoor
display garden located at 74-824 42nd Avenue.
Mr. Bagato outlined the salient points of the staff report and
recommended approval.
Commissioner Campbell asked about the office building height. Mr.
Bagato said the front at the lowest portion would be ten feet and then it
raised up to 15 before getting to the translucent panels. Commissioner
Campbell noted that from there it went up to the storage/warehouse. Mr.
Bagato said that was correct. It stepped up and the warehouse building
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was around 20 feet and then raised up to the maximum of 30 feet at the
very point.
Chairperson Jonathan asked for a couple of clarifications in the staff
report. Under Item B, the report indicated that the storage building was
100 feet long by 160 feet wide, which would be 16,000 square feet. But
as he read the plans, that was really 116 feet wide, which would bring
it to the 11 ,1 16 square foot size. Mr. Bagato said that was correct. He
confirmed that the warehouse would be 1 1 ,1 16 square feet.
Regarding the parking on the plans, Chairperson Jonathan counted 19
parking spaces, which was great, but he asked if staff wasn't counting
the small one. Mr. Bagato said he also questioned that. There were two
in front of the landscaping. One was actually a handicapped space and
there was extra room.
On page 3 just before the conclusion, Chairperson Jonathan noted that
the showroom building was designed as typical office space. He asked
for clarification that it wasn't actually a showroom, it was a sales office.
Mr. Bagato said that was correct. Chairperson Jonathan asked for
clarification that they didn't have a showroom, they have an office. They
could show things in the office, but that was what he was referring to,
an office. Mr. Bagato said that was correct.
Commissioner Lopez asked about the condition of approval regarding the
warehouse usage for future office space. Mr. Bagato explained that it
was covered under Community Development Condition No. 9.
There were no further questions and Chairperson Jonathan opened the
public hearing and asked the applicant to address the commission.
MR. ERIC KLINER, the Principal Architect for XAR Architecture
Company in Palm Springs, located at 2171 India Street, Suite Q
in San Diego, CA 92101 . Beyond what Mr. Bagato presented, he
said they didn't have any other comments unless he could answer
any questions or discuss the building further.
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There were no questions. Chairperson Jonathan asked if anyone wished
to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one
and the public hearing was closed. Chairperson Jonathan asked the
commission for comments.
Action:
Commissioner Tschopp said he concurred with staff's findings and
moved for approval. Commissioner Finerty seconded the motion.
Chairperson Jonathan asked for any discussion. He commented that he
found the design and the architecture refreshing and thought it would be
attractive. Everything else worked and he was looking forward to seeing
the project. He called for the vote.
It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2289, approving
PP 04-18, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
D. Case No. CUP 04-06 - CINGULAR WIRELESS, Applicant
Request for approval to construct a 73-foot high monopalm
wireless telecommunications tower with related equipment
building at Santa Rosa Country Club, 38-105 Portola
Avenue.
Mr. Urbina outlined the salient points of the staff report and
recommended approval of Case No. CUP 04-06, subject to the findings
and conditions in the draft resolution.
Commissioner Tschopp asked for and received confirmation that the
Santa Rosa Country Club Board of Directors approved of the proposed
project.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that the staff report and drawings indicated
a two-foot in diameter microwave dish on the outside of the trunk. Mr.
Urbina said that was correct. Chairperson Jonathan didn't recall having
previous antenna requests asking for a microwave dish on the outside.
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He asked if there was a change in technology and why they would have
a microwave dish on the outside of the trunk. Mr. Urbina indicated that
the applicant's representative was present and he would be able to
answer that question. Mr. Drell noted that there had been two or three
like that. Basically, the microwave dish connects the wireless antenna
with the land line system and the alternative was a cable. The applicant
could explain the benefits of a cabling system as opposed to a microwave
system.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if Mr. Drell remembered comparisons being
made to the St. Margaret's monopalm which doesn't have a microwave
dish. He asked if he remembered what differentiated that or if they
handled it in some other technological manner. Mr. Drell said it was a
distance issue relative to cabling to whatever their connection is, which
was a technical question for the applicant.
Chairperson Jonathan asked when ARC looked at the proposal if they had
r the benefit of seeing the microwave dish. He didn't see that specifically
addressed in their minutes. He wanted to insure that wasn't a change
that happened later and that it was included in the plans that ARC
reviewed. Mr. Urbina said that was correct, it was included in the plans
that ARC had seen.
There were no other questions for staff and Chairperson Jonathan
opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to address the
commission.
MR. STEVE STACKHOUSE, with Veloci Tel Inc., located at 18071
Fitch Avenue, Suite 200 in Irvine, CA 92614, addressed the
commission. He stated that he was representing Cingular Wireless.
He felt that Mr. Urbina did an excellent job in making his
presentation before the commission. He wouldn't duplicate issues.
He informed commission that Cingular Wireless identified this area
as being an area where there is insufficient coverage and lack of
adequate service for their Cingular Wireless subscribers. That was
the reason for making a request for a facility in this general
location. They did search out the area and attempted to locate the
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best location. They discussed with City staff two or three other
prospective locations and it was indicated to them that this would
be the best one in as much as Verizon Wireless had already been
approved in this area. They hadn't built it yet, but had been
approved, and the City would like to see it be adjacent to that
facility.
Since the time they submitted their request to the City for further
consideration, Verizon had built their facility as depicted by the
pictures. So they were looking to simply locate a Cingular facility
adjacent to the Verizon one. They worked very closely with Mr.
Brett Grinland who was in the audience, and with the Board of the
Santa Rosa Country Club. Cingular had the Board's full approval
to move forward with this request and they also made every effort
to make every change requested by the City staff previous to this
meeting as well.
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They went through at least two design changes to accommodate
the antennas inside the monopalm tree, which was indicated as
being a preference of the architectural review committee and it
had been before them twice and at the last meeting received their
recommendation of approval.
Regarding the microwave dish, he said that often times wireless
communication companies will provide a microwave dish so as to
have a back call connection when a site itself may not have the
ability of having a hard line or land line connection. Those
microwave dishes might be used for this site, although not in this
specific instance for this site, or for other adjacent sites to provide
for the Telco connection when land line connections are
unavailable. That's why they were asking for the microwave dish
in this instance.
Apart from that, they have the four live palm trees adjacent to
their monopalm that the City is requesting and they were in
complete agreement with all the staff's conditions of approval. He
made reference to Section 704 of the 1996 Telecom Act as it
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pertains to this request in their ongoing consideration of this
matter. He concluded and asked for any questions.
Chairperson Jonathan asked for confirmation that not having the
microwave dish would not impact the functionality of this antenna for
cell phone usage. It would be just a back up in the event that the land
line connections fail.
Mr. Stackhouse said either fail or were not available at a future
site they might be contemplating putting in so as to provide that
connection via a back call system.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if there was alternative technology for the
microwave connection. At a minimum, could that dish be hidden within
the fronds?
Mr. Stackhouse answered that it couldn't be hidden within the
fronds, but it was specced to be painted to be the same image as
the tree trunk itself. And there were no other technologies
available for transmitting a Telco connection other than hard wire
or land line connections. It was either that or microwave.
He noted that the microwave was only nominally two-feet in
diameter. That was a little larger than what might be found in
most people's home satellite dishes. It is the same diameter as the
tree trunk itself and with it being painted the same color and
shading as the tree trunk, in many views they wouldn't see the
microwave dish because the tree trunk itself would completely
mask the view of the microwave dish itself.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if there were any other questions. There
were none and he thanked Mr. Stackhouse.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposed project. There was no one and the public
hearing was closed. Chairperson Jonathan asked for commission
comments.
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Action:
Commissioner Tschopp moved for approval and Commissioner Finerty
seconded the motion. Under discussion Chairperson Jonathan stated that
he would be opposed to the motion only because he would want to
explore the possibility and feasibility of eliminating that dish or in some
way shielding it from obvious view. He thought they had worked hard
and successfully to create true stealth in regard to these cell antennas
and to basically hang a dish on a tree was to him going backwards in that
effort. So he would want to pause and explore the possibility of either
other technology or some kind of shielding mechanism so that it didn't
look like there was a dish hanging up on the top of this tree. For the
record that was why he was opposed to the motion. He called for the
vote. Motion carried 4-1 (Chairperson Jonathan voted no).
It was moved by Commissioner Tschopp, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2290, approving
CUP 04-06, subject to conditions. Motion carried 4-1 (Chairperson
Jonathan voted no).
E. Case No. ZOA 04-01 - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of a zoning ordinance amendment,
Chapter 25.25, to limit buildings in the O.P. zone on Portola
Avenue from Fred Waring Drive to De Anza Way to single
story, maximum 18 feet in height and maximum 100 feet
in length.
Chairperson Jonathan pointed out that this wasn't a specific application,
which would be coming up in Item F following this matter. Right now
they were only going to discuss the change of zone being recommended
by staff. He asked for the staff report. Mr. Smith clarified that this was
a proposed amendment to the Zoning Ordinance text, not a zone change,
which was contained within Item F.
Mr. Smith informed commission that during the General Plan review, the
Council discussed at length the appropriate land uses along the west side
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of Portola south of Fred Waring Drive. Ultimately the Council dual
designated the area residential, median density/office professional and
directed staff to return with appropriate amendments to the O.P.
standards to provide buildings that would be residential in scale. Staff
was back with that now and they looked into various restrictions which
could be considered. They looked at building height, one story, two
stories, setbacks, and overall building mass considerations.
Ultimately, staff came up with the proposal which was before the
commission to limit any O.P. development that might occur to one story
with a maximum height of 18 feet and a maximum length of 100 feet.
The intent was to have office buildings which are residential in character.
Given the low building height of homes in this specific area on the west
side of Portola, staff felt that two-story buildings would be out of
character with that community.
For purposes of CEQA, they were looking at a Class 5 Categorical
�.r Exemption and no further review was necessary. The staff's
recommendation was that Planning Commission recommend approval of
the proposed amendment to the City Council. He pointed out that if that
was the Commission's direction, that would preclude an affirmative
response with respect to Item F on their agenda. He asked for any
questions.
On that very point, Chairperson Jonathan said it might be a legal
question, but from a timing standpoint, if they have a pending application
prior to an adopted zoning ordinance amendment, he asked if that
precluded them, if they followed the new revised amended zoning
ordinance if that should occur, or if there was a grandfathering
procedure. Mr. Smith said no, the next application includes the proposed
change of zone to office professional. If the Commission took this action
now, then the policy of the Commission would be such that they could
not recommend the zone change because the project doesn't conform to
these standards. Mr. Drell stated there is no grandfathering. They could
actually change, and they have actually denied projects that were
consistent with the existing zoning and after the fact changed the zone
before they showed up in court. The City always has the ability to
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change their regulation to correct any of that disconnection in that both
the change of zone is a discretionary act in the next case. That was why
they did this in this order. The only question in terms of the process
tonight was if they wanted to be looking at the project simultaneously
with their discussion so they could be seeing an example of a proposal
in this area at the same time they are looking at the regulation to
determine if the regulation is appropriate. So they could actually look at
it both ways and simultaneously if they wanted. The question was
whether in terms of expediency in terms of the testimony they might
want to since most of the people who were going to get up and talk
about one would get up and talk about the other as well. But it was up
to the Commission if they wanted to talk about them at the same time.
Chairperson Jonathan stated that he was comfortable with the way the
agenda was so that they generically address the zoning ordinance
amendment without looking at a specific application. He asked the other
commissioners for their opinions. Commission agreed. Commissioner
Finerty stated that she believed that they should chart the course before
looking at an application. Chairperson Jonathan said that was the
consensus, so they would stay with that approach.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if there were other questions for staff.
Regarding the one story which Mr. Smith said they wanted to keep
residential, Commissioner Campbell noted that there are homes that are
two-stories there and asked for the height of those homes on Portola, on
the corner of Santa Rosa and Portola. Mr. Drell said those were town
houses and are 24 feet with pitched roofs. They weren't fronting on the
street and they are set back with walls and landscaping. Those were
some of the things they looked at. The character of even a two-story
home tends to differ from a two-story office building and they kind of
went back and forth. Then there were issues of architectural style and at
what point two-story townhouses, which might be compatible, differ
from a two-story office which typically have a different architectural
character. He said it was a good question.
Commissioner Campbell noted that the home on the corner of Catalina
and Portola is a two-story home. Mr. Drell said it is set back considerably
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further and had probably been there 50 years. Commissioner Campbell
reiterated that those homes are 25 feet. Mr. Drell said 24 feet, although
he wasn't sure how big the older house was.
Commissioner Lopez asked for clarification. The language of the
amendment addressed the 100-foot maximum length. He asked why that
particular number. Mr. Drell said that in terms of building mass, most
homes are less than that, but a duplex might be 100 feet if they had
attached units. In terms of overall building mass, some of the criticisms
of some of our buildings on Fred Waring have been that they are too
long, so that was the kind of the source of that. Why not 80 or 120?
Staff just came up with a number. In essence, this is where maybe
looking at real examples is helpful to decide what is just right or too long.
Commissioner Lopez asked if a typical building was 100 feet what would
be the width. Mr. Drell thought 40 or 50 feet. Commissioner Lopez
indicated that they would be looking at a 4,000 or 5,000 square foot
`. building. Mr. Drell concurred.
Given the projections on the increased traffic on Portola, Commissioner
Tschopp asked if there had been any thought for if they had quite a few
4,000 or 5,000 square foot buildings built here in this section, about the
ingress and egress of these vehicles into the various parking lots. He
asked if it would be fairly similar to what happens on Monterey or no
worse. Mr. Drell thought it would be better than Monterey since
Monterey takes a lot more traffic now and would take more traffic. It
would be no worse than Monterey since Portola would have less traffic,
so it would be similar to what they were seeing with those little projects.
It was the same thing when they tried to consolidate as many of the
accesses as possible and limit those driveways, but this was kind of a
"darned if you do and darned if you don't." Public Works wants to limit
access onto Portola. The residents want to limit access onto the side
streets. From a pure safety point of view, probably the side streets are
the better access point, but again, the people who live on those streets
don't want to be competing with that commercial traffic in their
neighborhood.
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In this discussion they weren't talking about access, but when they look
at projects that is something they have to weigh. The more they can
distribute that traffic to multiples, which goes to the concentration issue
which has some advantages, but the more you concentrate traffic, the
more you impact a single point. So the more they can distribute traffic to
a lot of driveways, then there is a lesser impact at each point. It's a
balancing act.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if a two-story building could be built with
an 18-foot height limit. Mr. Drell said 18 feet allowed one story with a
mezzanine. The Commission actually saw a building like that recently.
Depending on how deep they want to sink it in the ground, a basement
didn't count as a story. Theoretically it could. Once half the wall is sunk,
it's a basement and isn't considered a story. Commissioner Tschopp said
that if he heard right, it sounded like staff was having a little bit of
discussion as to whether it should be one story or just limited to 18 feet
given that perhaps a well-drawn designed building by an architect might
accommodate two stories rather than just limiting it to one story. Mr.
Drell said that was accurate.
Chairperson Jonathan asked when the sunken first floor was not
considered a story. Mr. Drell said that when at least 51 % of the wall is
below existing grade. Chairperson Jonathan said that for example it was
typical to see two-story office buildings at 24 or 25 feet, so if a building
was sunk six feet, then they are over 50% and it didn't count and was
conceivable.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that staff was trying to limit mass and the
appearance to be as consistent as possible with residential. He asked if
staff considered just dealing with the numbers as opposed to trying to
define whether it should be one story and two stories, and 100 feet. For
example, generally what might be offensive in terms of height is the line
of sight. So if a building was set back from Portola and so far from the
residences, that 24 feet might not be offensive to anyone. He asked if
staff looked at standards rather than limiting to one story. Mr. Drell said
that the geometry that is there didn't really allow that. The project before
the commission in the next item is unusually large. For most of the land
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that this ordinance would apply to, the lots are relatively narrow and to
a certain degree might be moot in that they won't meet the current O.P.
standards for a two-story building in terms of setbacks. Only a limited
number of lots are deep enough to even meet our current standards, so
staff's dilemma was they don't have the room to push it back because
then they are impacting the residents more and if they push it forward,
they are crowding the street with a bigger building.
Chairperson Jonathan clarified that what he was asking was if someone
came up with a creative design that was desirable by the residents and
staff and so forth, what the procedure would be for an exception to the
zoning ordinance amendment. Mr. Drell said that currently in this
particular zone there isn't one. He recalled that about a year or two ago
the Planning Commission recommended an exceptions section that talked
about architectural quality and things like that and the Council denied
that specific ordinance, but approved a project which theoretically
required it for its approval. So the Council has decided that if they like
something they can approve it, but in theory, while they have many
zones that have this process, the O.P. zone isn't one of them.
There were no other questions and Chairperson Jonathan opened the
public hearing and asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION on this matter. He informed the audience that their
comments should be limited to the proposed zoning ordinance
amendment, not to any specific application which was coming up on the
agenda.
MR. PAUL BOWIE, 71 -774 Chuckawalla Way in Palm Desert,
92260, addressed the commission. He stated that he came tonight
to speak on another issue; however, this matter was appropriate
and it brought a question to his mind on the general profile of the
residential neighborhood as it stands today as a single story and
whether or not they are starting to have an encroachment of
something else into the area, say 18 feet, and they can't make a
setback apparently from the street to harbor the appearance of a
taller building. So as he gathered his thoughts about this issue on
the agenda, he could only say that he thought it was inappropriate
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for the commission to take any action on this matter tonight and
to possibly table it or defer it to another time and ask for a more
complete study about the character profile of the general
neighborhood in regard to these issues.
MS. RAMONA FLETCHER, 73-969 Olive Court, which backs up to
Portola, addressed the commission. Speaking to the code, she felt
it didn't really go far enough if they were going to get this specific.
One of the things that happened to them in another city, not here,
was being subjected to a public access parking lot and the
problems that this addresses, the people who have property
abutting that, and the access they have to all sorts of things that
aren't in the rules, but nonetheless require police action, etc.
Because when they have office professional and residential, which
this property is now stated as residential as listed here, what
happens is they have a real problem with the office professional
people, not while they are there, but when they leave every night
and on weekends and the public access that has been created that
is free to the public to do as they will when they will and this
created a lot of problems. If they were going to be this specific,
she would like to see that part addressed also.
MS. JEAN MARTIN, 44-276 San Jose Avenue, addressed the
commission. She said that was located just west of the proposed
project coming up next. She needed a clarification. It said to limit
building in the O.P. zone on Portola Avenue from Fred Waring
Drive to De Anza Way to single story, etc. All of that property is
presently zoned R-1 and she didn't understand why it was saying
the O.P. zone on Portola when it does not exist between Fred
Waring and De Anza.
Mr. Drell explained that the General Plan designates this area as
potentially O.P. and this had to do with somewhat of an anomaly in the
Council policy created in that normally we would be rezoning properties
consistent with the General Plan. They didn't want to do that before they
created and responded also to the General Plan direction of amending the
zoning ordinance. Since the Council kind of directed them that they
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shouldn't rezone properties consistent with the General Plan until they
have specific projects, it does create somewhat of a timing anomaly. But
for better or worse, that was the direction by Council on how to proceed
with these things. So obviously the next project there is a proposed
rezoning. So they are saying that if office buildings are built in this area,
these are the standards. It kind of relied on the General Plan as the
authority to do that.
Chairperson Jonathan paraphrased it that the General Plan was recently
amended. That amendment provides for areas where the zoning will
change; however, those changes would not occur until a specific
application comes before the city.
And approval of the residents of the area. Ms. Martin asked if that
was correct.
Chairperson Jonathan said there was always opportunity for lots of public
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Ms. Martin stated that a group of them and most of them here had
been involved with the zoning change since 1999 and they keep
going back to it. They had been very fortunate, all the way
through City Council have not approved any zoning change in this
area.
Chairperson Jonathan explained that there wasn't a zoning change yet.
The General Plan allowed and provided for a change of zone along Portola
and what they were doing tonight was discussing the possibility of
amending the office professional zoning just for that area of Portola
should that occur.
Ms. Martin asked if this should be reworded in some way so that
it was understood by the residents who are fighting this. It's
stating "building in the O.P. zone on Portola Avenue from Fred
Waring to De Anza" and if she were reading this and not living in
the area, she would think this was already an O.P. zone.
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Mr. Drell said she was correct and if this proceeds, staff would reword
the request description.
Ms. Martin thanked him.
Chairperson Jonathan said that was the purpose of the public hearing so
when they get to the Planning Commission discussion, if it is the
Planning Commission's desire to modify the wording, they would
certainly do so.
MS. MING LOWE, stated that she lives in Pinyon, but her address
is 73-985 Catalina Way, which is the southwest corner on Portola
and Catalina. She didn't know they were going to bring this up this
way and word it this way, but there were a couple of things she
noticed when they were talking about whatever they were talking
about and that was they said 100 feet per lot per building. She
asked if that was per lot or combined lots, that 100 feet.
Mr. Drell said it didn't matter. A building couldn't be built over a property
line.
Ms. Lowe said that could turn into a massive thing.
Chairperson Jonathan said it was 100 feet per building.
Ms. Lowe said 100 feet per lot, per building. The other thing about
two stories is that she felt it would double the traffic. No one
mentioned traffic, but two stories is a taller building, but it also
doubles the ins and outs. The third thing is that Mr. Drell
mentioned that in order to lighten the traffic, the ins and outs
would be spread out possibly onto a residential street. The project
coming up, the parking lot would be on Catalina and the ins and
outs would be on Catalina, which is a residential street. So that
was just a concern she had when they were talking about the
building, but they weren't talking about the parking lot. And two
stories would double the amount of cars parked, double the
amount of cars coming in and out on a residential street were they
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to field traffic off of Portola. She also thought that 18 feet was
not copacetic with the neighborhood as it currently exists.
MS. JUSTINA JEFFERS, 44-251 Portola, stated that her driveway
is on Portola and there is a lot of traffic. She would like them to
consider the amount of additional traffic office professional would
bring to the area. They have at least six schools in the area, so in
the morning she thought they had more traffic than Monterey. In
the evenings if they looked at traffic at five o'clock, they have a
lot of traffic. She asked them to consider the options.
Chairperson Jonathan thanked her and clarified for the audience that
what was before the commission was not a proposal for a change of
zone in terms of the matter they were currently discussing. It just
addressed a modification to the office professional zone in that area
should there be a change of zone.
�.. Ms. Jeffers stated that it didn't appear that way in the wording.
It says O.P. zone. She asked if they were going to fix that.
Chairperson Jonathan said they were going to discuss the matter and
might clarify that. He again stated that whether it showed that way on
the paper or not, they were not here to discuss a change of zone. They
were there to discuss a modification to the zone should a change of zone
occur.
Ms. Jeffers said that the amount of traffic since the road had been
approved is doubled. It's just doubled. The road was really
wonderful, it was beautiful and she really liked it, but there's no
way she would put her arm straight out while on the sidewalk
without it being taken off. It's the speed that is going through
there. The increased traffic just regularly, right now, without a
change of zoning has been increased dramatically.
Chairperson Jonathan said he wasn't arguing and wasn't disagreeing, he
just wanted to make it clear that the end result of this matter would not
be a change of zone.
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Ms. Jeffers asked what would be the result. She asked what they
were talking about then.
Chairperson Jonathan said he would state it one last time and then they
would move on. They are discussing the possibility of a modification to
the office professional zone in that area should a change of zone occur
at some later time. A change of zone was not a matter before them.
Ms. Jeffers said that by agreeing to this part, it precludes the next
part, so that was her question.
Chairperson Jonathan said they would address that when they got to
that matter.
Commissioner Tschopp commented that in reality the General Plan did
state that given the proposal for the expansion of Portola and so forth
for various reasons including buffering the residential areas on the sides
of the street, that perhaps this could be an area of O.P. zoning in the
future. So they are dealing with this tonight. The reality of the situation
is that at some point in time they will see perhaps more commercial
building requests coming in for this area. He thought that was kind of
what the citizens were asking. Some of it might be semantics, but it isn't
zoned O.P. now, but yes, people will be coming in to put in commercial
buildings here and that is the reality of it. Perhaps the City needed to give
a little more explanation of why in the General Plan they felt this might
be a good way to pursue that. Mr. Drell asked if he should give that a
shot right now. Chairperson Jonathan said no, he would like to move on
instead of belaboring it.
MS. ANN WALKER, 74-539 Monte Verde in Palm Desert, said
they also owned the house at 44-326 Catalina which was right
behind the project coming up. She said she was in favor of what
is on the table right now because she realized it wasn't a zoning
change and was glad it wasn't a zoning change, but if the in future
it could be changed to O.P., she would like it to be single story.
She was in favor of what was going on right now. She knew it
wasn't a zoning change, but was realistic enough to know that
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Portola is pretty darn busy and she wouldn't build her house there,
so she would like to speak in favor of what is on the table.
MR. CHRISTOPHER McFADDEN, 72-925 Fred Waring Drive, Suite
204, stated that he was the applicant and owner on the next
project and he felt compelled to come up and respond to what is
going on here now. He could get into all the detail later on this,
but he disagreed with this unilateral assumption that 100-foot by
18-foot defined residential character or that anything that would
fit into that box would automatically be residential in character. He
felt that was a generic process of all the cities that he does work
in all over the Coachella Valley. He does 60% residential work and
40% commercial. As an architect, rules like this are hard edged
and lack creativity and vision. That is what this project needed,
vision. That was what he hoped to present later on for another
project here tonight; however, he saw this as kind of a nail in the
coffin type thing trying to shut his project down without even
`► getting a hearing.
He said he met with the five City Council members individually and
hoped this was a minority view point that was being perpetrated
on this project. He thanked the commission.
MS. MEREDITH FORD addressed the commission and stated that
she and her husband purchased 44-447 Portola Avenue which is
currently a blighted residential property which they plan to build
office professional on per the General Plan. The commission would
be seeing them down the road and so would the neighbors. She
stated that they have a single story plan and they have everything
they have been suggested to bring about the building, the size, the
architecture, the ingress and egress to make it comfortable for not
only the neighbors, but to blend in with the homes that are there.
She agreed, and they had no problem with the single family. She
thanked the commission.
MS. VON DISHMAN, 73-990 Olive Court in Palm Desert, asked
how much property they were talking about that would be
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amended and how far that amendment would go. She asked if it
would go all the way down to Santa Rosa or if it was just that one
little parcel there at Catalina and Portola.
Chairperson Jonathan stated that the proposal from staff that was before
the commission would affect Portola between Fred Waring Drive and De
Anza Way.
Ms. Dishman said that it didn't have anything to do with the
Catalina area at this particular moment.
Chairperson Jonathan explained that Catalina is within that stretch. Mr.
Drell said it would affect only those areas potentially designated in the
General Plan.
Ms. Dishman thanked them.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if there was anyone else present who
wished to address the commission regarding this particular item. There
wasn't. Chairperson Jonathan closed the public hearing and asked for
commission comments.
Commissioner Finerty said that it seems like they have been over this
before. They spent several sessions discussing whether there should be
office professional on Portola in this particular area. She was opposed to
it then and she remained opposed to it now because she believed that the
residential integrity of the neighborhood should be preserved. She didn't
feel that every spot of dirt needed to be covered with a building. She
would be opposed to any O.P. designation and felt that this area would
be better served as single story units. She understood that medium
density might be appropriate there and she thought that with the parks,
the schools and the existing housing that is what they needed to keep it.
Chairperson Jonathan said that as he understood it, that wasn't the
matter they were there to address or discuss. Commissioner Finerty said
it was in a sense because if they are going to set standards of single
story and 18 feet if and when it goes to O.P., she was just saying that
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she is opposed to O.P. in the first place and, therefore, did not believe
discussing what kind of standards was appropriate. She believed the area
should remain residential. Chairperson Jonathan said he wasn't
persuaded, but understood what she was saying.
Commissioner Lopez stated that the item before them tonight, the zoning
ordinance amendment as it was before them, had merit. He thought it
had merit from the standpoint that should some day a project come
before them that is office professional that makes sense for that
particular area, in lieu of a single family home that would have a difficult
time getting out of their driveway on Portola at that particular junction,
not farther down Portola and even farther down Portola it was difficult.
But in this particular situation it had merit. He would rather see in the
future a well-designed residential in character, whether 100 feet or 65
feet or whatever the case might be, and he thought that putting a length
on it limited it somewhat, but he did think a height restriction was
required. The residents that back up to this property did not have before
r.r them a 25-foot building that impacts their property. It has been shown
in the past that office buildings blockading major thoroughfares, and
Portola was going to be that in the future whether they liked it or not, it
was going to be a busy street, and these buildings do block the traffic
noise from the residential areas on the other side of the building. It has
shown to be successful and are items that have been approved and built
in areas along Fred Waring Drive that prove that. But in this particular
case as it pertains to the area between Fred Waring Drive and De Anza
Way, it shows merit that there needs to be a height restriction. Whether
it would ever be used, they didn't know, although there was a feeling
that it might be used very soon. But in the case of this particular
amendment, he thought it showed merit and they needed to work with
the language of it so that is understandable by the residents and maybe
a little more clearly for the commission as well.
Commissioner Campbell stated that the office professional buildings that
exist on Portola between De Anza and Alessandro are one-story and she
thought they really looked very nice along Portola. They do quite a bit of
business. She knew that the dentist had taken in another dentist, so she
knew he was quite busy there. As far as the parking was concerned, the
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egress is on Portola, but the ingress is on Alessandro. She was sure that
just having the maximum height of 18 feet or beyond, maybe up to 20
along Portola, would make a nice project. But again, as she brought up
earlier, there are two-story homes along there and she questioned making
this 18 feet and yet these other homes were up to 24 or 25 feet. They
have also approved buildings in other areas, office professional buildings,
that buffer on residential homes and they do not allow them to have
windows on that side. So it was really difficult to say they could have
one story when there was something there a lot higher. It would be good
to have office professional like Commissioner Lopez stated. It was a good
buffer for the residential and she didn't think that Portola was going to
be widened anymore. Mr. Drell said that in the long range it may be
widened another six or eight feet, so it might be widened. Commissioner
Campbell said that maybe they wouldn't have enough room to have
office professional right there. Mr. Drell said they would. Commissioner
Campbell said that they would be narrowing it more. Mr. Drell said that
the office professional development on Monterey on the east side south
of Fred Waring, those lots are only 65 or 70 feet wide because their #
depth used to face those residential streets. They have successfully w�
developed far more narrower sites as office professional. It does more
severely impact residential development, especially the existing homes
there since if it ever happens, they would lose a big chunk of their front
yards.
Commissioner Campbell asked about the building that was just completed
on Monterey. She asked if that was the one he was speaking of, the
medical building by John Vuksic across from the community gardens.
Mr. Drell clarified that it was on San Pablo. That building was about 140
feet deep. Commissioner Campbell asked about the length. Mr. Drell said
that building would not have met this standard if it was going to be built
on Portola. It meets the current O.P. standards in terms of height,
setbacks and mass. Part of the Council's motivation in giving this
direction was not simply our normal concern for the impacts of the
residents behind because these residents would be impacted no more or
less than any of the residents who have been impacted by all the
development on Fred Waring and Monterey. But it was as much on the
physical appearance when driving on Portola from Fred Waring to
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Highway 111 . They are still driving through what is essentially a
residential area, so it was both motivated by concern from behind and
concern for the motorist, the image as one drives through the area, which
is a little different then how they've thought of things in the past.
Commissioner Campbell reiterated that they were looking toward
widening Portola. Mr. Drell said Public Works has discussed it in terms
of the ultimate right-of-way as specified in the General Plan. There is a
desire to put bike paths on the street which don't exist now. Right now,
as discussed, it is quite intimidating walking up and down since people
are driving 40 mph 18 inches away from the sidewalk. So there is a
desire to move the sidewalk away from the curb and to create a buffer
in the form of a bike path to allow bicyclists to go up and down the
street and to separate the automobile traffic from the sidewalk. And
there was a desire to put in a landscaped median to further enhance the
visual quality of the street. Any future office that would apply to develop
on Portola would be required to dedicate whatever perspective real estate
r.. we might need. Commissioner Campbell said it would be a smaller
building and they would require less parking because it would be less
land.
Commissioner Tschopp said that issue before them is the proposed
amendment that wants to limit commercial building height and length if
it is constructed on Portola. He agreed strongly that whatever type of
commercial building if they go ahead on Portola would be limited in
height and size because there was an ambience in this area that needs
to be preserved. He wasn't convinced that the wording in the
amendment is the right way in that he hated to see them limit or hinder
architectural design creativity with arbitrary 18-foot limits in height and
100-foot buildings because sometimes architects could do a better job
given a little creativity. He also wasn't all that convinced that they need
more office space along Portola. He heard the arguments of the proximity
of the various schools, the various amenities in the neighborhood, the
park going in, the bike paths coming into the street and he wasn't sure
what bicyclists would think if they knew they were a buffer between
traffic and the sidewalk. But to him it was almost too bad they didn't
have the time to really look at this area a little more in depth and see
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what truly they would want to do on a long-range plan to see how it
develops out. But given that the issue is limiting commercial building
height and size, he would be in favor of limiting it for that purpose.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that what they were being asked to do
tonight is recommend to the Council approval of this amendment. Right
now the new General Plan allows office professional along Portola if there
is a change of zone, because right now Portola is zoned residential. What
they could do in theory if there was office professional allowed on Portola
right now and someone came in for a change of zone, they could go 25
feet, two stories and so forth. So what this amendment was seeking to
do is soften that and say no, they are going to set less intrusive
standards and lower the building height, mass and size. If there was
going to be office, it was going to be softer office is what this
amendment was doing.
What he was hearing the commission say is that there is still some doubt
or lack of understanding as to whether, even though the General Plan has
been amended to allow office professional in this part of Portola, whether
in fact the Council has intent of following through with an actual change
of zone in that area. So if they have that doubt, since what they were
being asked to do was make a recommendation to Council, their response
to Council could be, Council, would you clarify for us if in fact there is a
long-term intent to allow the development of office professional along
Portola. Mr. Drell thought they had to take them by their word that they
acted with the General Plan to do that. Chairperson Jonathan thought
that was a matter of his opinion. They were in the discussion stage and
he was just suggesting that as a possibility. They didn't have to
recommend either yes or no to this amendment. They could seek
clarification if in fact in their mind they aren't sure that is the direction
they want to proceed. And if it was a simple response from them yes,
we modified the General Plan, we voted on it, we the City Council are
intending to allow office professional, but we aren't sure we want the
same standards in this area as in the rest of the city. If they tell the
commission that, it clarifies it. He said they should keep in mind that this
is commission discussion. That is an option they might want to pursue.
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Commissioner Tschopp noted that the comment was raised by
Commissioner Finerty of having residential here. He asked if they have
looked at an alternative multi-family going in along this street and what
the impact on traffic and the amenities and so forth would be. The
General Plan stated O.P., but it also said residential, medium density. Is
that the direction they want to be taking? But given the information the
commission had here, he didn't know how they could come up with a
decision on that tonight.
To some extent, Chairperson Jonathan didn't really want to revisit all
those issues because he thought they did address them. When they made
their recommendation to Council about this area, they addressed it and
looked at it in depth and said there was a possibility for appropriate office
professional development along this part of Portola. That was his
personal opinion. Commissioner Finerty noted that some of the
commission thought that, others didn't. Chairperson Jonathan said he
was talking about the majority vote and they knew in any good
organization, once they took a majority vote, they all stand behind it and
move forward. He didn't want to go backwards and revisit issues they
already have, he was just suggesting the possibility that if in fact they
aren't certain of Council's direction, then they can ask for clarification.
But as they sit here today, his understanding was that Council has
approved the General Plan amendment which includes the possibility, not
an actual change of zone yet, but the possibility of office professional on
Portola. What they are being asked to do is go a step further and say if
there is going to be office professional in that area of Portola, then they
want to provide further limits on essentially the mass, the height of the
buildings and the look of the buildings. He didn't know what direction
they want to go in. If the commission was comfortable about what
Council wants from them, then they can address this proposed
amendment. If they weren't, and that was why he brought it up because
he was sensing a certain level of uncertainty, and if the commission
wanted to ask the Council for clarification, that could be the
commission's response to this.
Mr. Drell stated that the direction to amend the code was also in the
General Plan. That was a specific program that the Council inserted into
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the Urban Design Element. So he thought their direction on amending the
code was also fairly clear. That is a program approved unanimously, he
believed, on a vote of the Council to amend the code in this situation. So
they have spoken rather specifically on that issue. The discussion here
wasn't whether it should be amended, but how it should be amended.
Chairperson Jonathan said that if that is the commission's wish, then
they can respond by some modification of the wording that clarifies that
in the event that a change of zone occurs along this part of Portola, then
it is the commission's recommendation that certain restrictions be added
into this zoning in that area having to do with height limitations or mass.
He asked if they wanted to go in that direction and put in a qualifier.
Commissioner Campbell asked why they should limit it to one story and
a maximum height of 18 feet. Chairperson Jonathan said he was going
to get to that part of the discussion, but asked if they wanted to at least
go in that direction in saying that in the event that a change of zone
should occur on Portola, then they recommend the following.
Commissioner Tschopp said yes. Chairperson Jonathan said they should
then go in that direction.
Having said that, Chairperson Jonathan noted that Commissioner
Campbell wasn't entirely comfortable with the wording proposed by
staff. Commissioner Campbell didn't think it should state that it would be
limited to one story with a maximum height of 18 feet unless a project
came before them and as she said earlier, it could go up to 20 feet to
make it aesthetically feasible. Commissioner Finerty asked if there are 20-
foot single story houses in that area. Mr. Drell said no, there are some
24-foot two-story houses; 20-foot single family homes typically might be
in very unusual circumstances (very rare) at the peak. Typically they are
a pitched roof.
Commissioner Finerty asked for the height of the homes in that area. Mr.
Drell thought the single family homes averaged 13 or 14 feet.
Commissioner Finerty said they were smaller than 18 feet because of
their age. Mr. Drell concurred. Commissioner Finerty noted that 18 is
even stretching it to stay within the current character of the
neighborhood. Mr. Drell said that 18 feet is the City's current height limit
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on single story. Commissioner Finerty said she understood that, but this
was a special circumstance where they were trying to match the
residential character of the neighborhood and if in fact they were trying
to do that, then it seemed to her that they needed to stay in the 13-14
foot range because that is in fact what the height of the houses are. She
asked if that was correct. Mr. Drell said that the newer houses that have
been built are typically higher than that in the area. And they have had
24-foot high. Commissioner Finerty noted that in that area, the houses
that would actually be behind any proposed development are 13-14 feet
in height. She asked if that was correct. Mr. Drell said that one of them
right behind further down in the area they are talking about has a two-
story house right behind it. He thought that was the point Commissioner
Campbell was making. Commissioner Finerty said that if they were to
look at the residential neighborhood as a whole, of all the homes that
back up to any proposed project, she asked what the average height
would be in Mr. Drell's opinion. Mr. Drell assumed it would be 14 or 15
feet.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that the existing residential structures in that
area vary from 13-14 to 24. Commissioner Campbell noted they had flat
roofs that they used to have years ago.
Continuing with the discussion on whether they were going to
recommend an amendment to the zoning ordinance in that area,
Chairperson Jonathan asked if they wanted to be as specific with height,
length and so forth. Commissioner Finerty said yes. She said that if
Council's direction is to keep it as residential as possible, then they
needed to try to match the average height of what is there now and Mr.
Drell said that was 14-15 feet. She was sure there were exceptions of
24 feet, but if they were going to look at 90%, she knew it was much
lower than the suggested 18 feet. Therefore, she believed it should be
limited and was only fair to the residents that are there to preserve their
neighborhood and she thought the 18 feet was too high and that it
should be limited to 15 feet.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if someone wanted to build a duplex or
something of that nature, he asked if they would just be limited to the
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height. Mr. Drell said their residential multi-family zones were
automatically limited to 18 feet if they are adjacent to a single story
zone. So those properties have single story behind them and would be
limited to the 18 feet as a residence as well.
Commissioner Tschopp said that if someone came in that lives in the
neighborhood and wanted to remodel their home, tear it down, they
would be able to build an 18-foot high unit. Mr. Drell said they have a
special review process for homes between 15 and 18 feet at the
architectural commission. And one of the things they do is look at the
adjacent homes. They look at the overall architectural quality and what
they often do is require hipped roofs down at the property lines so in
essence at the property lines the houses might only be 12 or 13 feet.
They might have peaks that are 18, but they try to architecturally soften
the houses at the edges where they interact with a lower home.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if it would be appropriate to incorporate
something of that nature into this. Mr. Drell said they could do that. In i
essence, as a matter of right they could only have 15 feet, but based on w�
architectural quality they could go to 18 feet or any other number the
commission preferred.
Rather than their recommendation to Council getting so specific,
Chairperson Jonathan said it seemed to him they were trying to replicate
within the office professional zoning for this area something that looks
as close to residential as possible. He suggested that they just say that.
Instead of getting into an actual height limit, mass and length, why not
say that the desired objective for this area is to create office professional
buildings that look as residential as possible and meet the residential
zoning ordinance. Commissioner Finerty asked if he was suggesting that
it be allowed to go up to 24 feet. Chairperson Jonathan said it would be
for single family residences. Commissioner Finerty asked if he was
suggesting a limit to 18 feet. Chairperson Jonathan said it could.
Commissioner Finerty noted that he was saying not to do specific
numbers, but if he said they were limiting it to residential and they were
talking about single story, then they really are talking 18 feet. If they
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were talking two-stories, then it is 24 feet. She asked where he was
thinking this ought to go.
Chairperson Jonathan clarified that he was suggesting that in the
amendment to the ordinance that they reference single family residential
standards, whatever those might be. He understood that those standards
had specifics. He wasn't trying to dodge those specifics, but he was
saying in this amended ordinance, rather than go do the list of those
specifics that they just indicate they should be the standards that apply
here. Just have a reference to those standards. That was his suggestion.
Commissioner Finerty asked him to repeat that. She was asking if he was
suggesting that it be residential, one story, or residential in nature.
Chairperson Jonathan said both. He was suggesting that in amending the
ordinance for office professional in this area that the style, the
appearance, etc., should attain as residential a feel as possible and that
the standards that exist for single family residential apply equally to the
office professional amended zone here. So if an architect is going to
�.. design office professional, then when he needs to look at height
limitations he will go to the single family residential. If he wants to see
setbacks, he'll go to single family residential. His intent is to end up with
an office building that is as least intrusive and looks as residential as
possible, but functions as an office building.
Commissioner Finerty asked if it was his intent to limit to one story.
Chairperson Jonathan thought single family residential by its very nature
would be limited to one story. Commissioner Finerty said that what he
was saying was the current standard of 18 feet. Chairperson Jonathan
said that if that is what applies in single family residential, that would be
the height limit. Mr. Drell said that as a matter of right they are entitled
to 15 feet; they can get to 18 feet based on the architectural review
commission's review of their design. Chairperson Jonathan said that was
fine. Mr. Drell said the rules that would apply to a single family home in
this area would apply to an office. Chairperson Jonathan concurred. Build
an office but make it subject to the residential standards.
Commissioner Finerty reiterated that those residential standards are any
where from 15 to 18 feet. Mr. Drell said anything between 15 and 18
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feet is discretionary based on design. In an office, somewhat in response
to Mr. McFadden's comment that if you do this you get approved, no.
Every project gets design review beyond whether or not they meet the
strict physical standards. There, is still a subjective review that everything
is subject to that would still go into the conclusion whether it is
residential scale or not. Someone could build a 10-foot high building that
wasn't residentially appropriate, so this was just a physical starting point
for the discussion in terms of what is appropriate. He didn't have any
problem with that approach saying they have a standard that is
residential scale and it is contained in the R-1 chapter and they would
just apply it.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that 15 feet would be permitted, but over
15 would have to show that it is justified, but in no event could it exceed
18 feet. Commissioner Finerty concurred.
Commissioner Lopez thought that if they were going to attempt to
provide some flexibility within this amended ordinance, this was probably
the best way to do it. It gave architects the ability to be creative, it gave
some guidelines they believe to be less intrusive, and it made sense. The
language they recommended to Council would be important.
Mr. Drell said the R-1 zone requires a 20-foot setback. In the O.P. they
allow the O.P. buildings to get closer to the commercial street to increase
the potential for setbacks in the rear. And if more widening occurs, they
are dealing potentially with tighter situations. He thought the R-2
standards, and the General Plan designates the alternative land use as
medium density residential which really was the R-2 zone, it would still
be limited to a single story since it is adjacent to single story behind. But
it allowed a 15-foot front setback and allowed those buildings to be
pushed a little further to the front.
Commissioner Finerty suggested the approach they took on Fred Waring
where the setback needed to be equal to the height. Mr. Drell said 1 :1 as
measured from the curb. Commissioner Finerty asked why that couldn't
apply to this location. Mr. Drell said it would. Commissioner Finerty
thought that would take care of the 20-foot setback because they
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wouldn't allow anything to be 20 feet high. Mr. Drell said that in the R-1
they would be setback 20 feet even if they were 12 feet high, so their
intent was to allow them to be pushed forward a little bit. For example,
in R-1 the rear setback is only 15 feet and in the O.P. the rear setback is
20 feet. So in essence what they did with the O.P. is increase the rear
setback by five feet and decreased the setback from 20 to 15 in the front
to push those buildings away from the R-1 . He believed the R-2
standards are 15 feet in the front and 20 feet in the rear. Commissioner
Finerty noted that what they are really saying to the residents that back
up to this is they could be backed up to a parking lot. Mr. Drell said 20
feet didn't really provide dimension to a parking lot, but those people
were going to make that choice anyway. They have a lot of O.P.
properties with parking lots in the back and there really hadn't been any
problems. It's an issue of balancing. They do tend to push the building
farther away and they haven't had the enforcement or police problem all
along Fred Waring or Monterey. They did have a problem in some of the
cul-de-sacs and they dealt with problems just like they do with any
`.. problem in the city, they send in the police and the problem disappears.
He suggested that they use the standards for the R-2 which would still
limit it in this situation to one story, 18 feet, but adjust for the setbacks.
Commissioner Finerty asked if the R-2 height started out at 15 feet. Mr.
Drell said he didn't think it was 15. Commissioner Lopez asked if medium
density covered both R-1 and R-2. Mr. Drell said R-1 was all low density.
Chairperson Jonathan suggested that the proposed amendment stand as
staff had it, but provided that with regard to height, the presumed
allowed limit was 15 feet similar to the R-1 procedure that 18 might be
allowed if it made a proper showing. Commissioner Finerty said they
could leave the setback issue out of it because it got pretty complicated.
Chairperson Jonathan agreed. Mr. Drell said they could stick with the
current O.P. standards. Chairperson Jonathan said they would only
modify it based on height. He liked the flexibility of moving a building
around depending on what was best for the neighborhood, such as
putting it closer to Portola and where to put the parking lot. He asked if
that worked. Commissioner Finerty said it worked for her.
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Chairperson Jonathan asked if they were ready for a motion.
Commissioner Finerty said they would amend staff's language to limit it
to one story in the residential character of the neighborhood to start at
15 feet, but not to exceed 18 feet. That would be totally discretionary.
Mr. Drell said that everything above 15 feet would go to the architectural
commission. Commissioner Finerty stated that nothing would be above
18 feet. Mr. Drell said that offices go through the whole architectural
review process. Chairperson Jonathan confirmed that the presumed limit
was 15 feet and anything in excess of 15 required a special showing and
in no event would it exceed 18 feet. Commissioner Finerty concurred.
Commissioner Campbell asked about the length. She asked if they were
going to leave the language 100 feet. Chairperson Jonathan didn't think
they should specify the length because someone could create a 100-foot
long structure that looked horrible, but someone else could create a 120-
foot structure that looks like two structures and looks good.
Commissioner Finerty said they again had to go back to the residential
character. They didn't see houses that were 140 feet in length. She i
asked what the average length of a house was. Commissioner Campbell
asked if it was 30 feet or 40. Mr. Drell thought they were probably 50
or 60 feet. Chairperson Jonathan said if the commission wanted to leave
it in there that was fine. Commissioner Finerty thought 100 might be too
much if their goal is to preserve the residential character of that particular
neighborhood. If they are 50 or 60, she would be more comfortable with
75 feet in length. Chairperson Jonathan asked if they wanted to leave the
specific reference out and just say that in terms of length, depth and
mass the structure shall be as consistent with the residential flavor of the
neighborhood as possible. He asked if that was too open. Commissioner
Finerty thought that was too open. Even if they said 75 feet, they knew
how things went. Commissioner Campbell made note to the one house
earlier on the agenda that was going to be built at 32,000 square feet.
That would be over 100 feet. Commissioner Finerty said she would be
more comfortable with 75 feet because that was still in excess for the
neighborhood, but would allow for a little larger size office building if they
have to go that route.
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Commissioner Tschopp noted that at the same time they could chop
these building up so small that they would actually create more problems
with traffic in the number of employees going to very small businesses
and so forth. He thought they needed to be careful that way. If they give
the architects a little bit of latitude and creativity and word it such that
they are looking at creativity to justify the length and so forth, that would
get the word out. He would rather do that then restrict it so much that
one, it becomes economically infeasible for them to do anything that
even made sense. Chairperson Jonathan summed up that Commissioner
Tschopp would be in favor of no specific reference to the length, and
have general language that in terms of the mass of the structure, it
should be as consistent with the residential flavor of the neighborhood as
possible. Commissioner Tschopp concurred.
Commissioner Lopez concurred that they should leave some flexibility and
let the process handle each of the specific applications they receive and
if they make sense, as they do every meeting, if there is too much mass,
tam if it is inappropriate for the location they are looking at, they were all
going to be sensitive to what happens in this location and they would
address that through the process. But as far as putting specifics, because
if they are going to put in height, length and width, this place would
never change. They needed to have some flexibility and so did the
developer to proceed with these locations and let the system take care
of what goes there and what they approve and disagree with.
Commissioner Campbell agreed with that because the commission had
to approve it anyway. It would come before them.
In terms of process, Chairperson Jonathan said they got into the
discussion in the middle of the motion, so Commissioner Finerty was
hearing a consensus and didn't know if she wanted to incorporate that
into her motion or not, but he would let her finish making it.
Commissioner Finerty asked if they could do two separate motions.
Chairperson Jonathan said she was free to propose any motions she
wished. Commissioner Finerty didn't think they were being totally
consistent here because they were saying that with the height they feel
strongly apparently about the 15 feet up to 18 feet. Commissioner Lopez
said he wasn't saying that. He was staying that he wanted to stay with
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the residential character of the neighborhood. If those areas are defined
as 15-18 feet, that is what they are looking at. But he wasn't saying
they should restrict the height. He wanted to go with the current
guidelines in the residential flavor, and whether it was R-1 or R-2 was
irrelevant, what is medium density designation. And in this particular case
they were looking at the office professional amendment that would
follow those guidelines. Then they would designate what those guidelines
would be. Put the medium density at R-1 or R-2, then go that direction.
He wasn't saying he wanted to put a limit on the height and a limit on
the width and the length, let's follow the guidelines of residential
character and then let the process take care of that.
Commissioner Finerty said she would try her motion without any changes
before they go much further. Chairperson Jonathan said anyone was free
to make a motion and asked her to repeat it.
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Commissioner Finerty stated that her motion was that it was going to be l
residential in character with the minimum starting height of 15 feet,
which could go up to 18 feet with discretionary approval based on the
architecture. Chairperson Jonathan noted there was no reference to
length or mass, etc. Commissioner Finerty concurred. Chairperson
Jonathan asked if there was a second. Commissioner Campbell seconded
the motion. Chairperson Jonathan asked for discussion.
Commissioner Lopez asked for clarification. They discussed setbacks and
asked if that would be covered adequately in this particular motion. Mr.
Drell said that this is an amendment to the zone, so the O.P. setback
standards would continue to apply. Chairperson Jonathan thought that
the only change to the existing O.P. standards is language that indicates
that the design shall be residential in nature and that the height is to be
15 feet, or with proper showing up to 18 feet. Commissioner Finerty
concurred. Chairperson Jonathan said that was the motion and the
second.
Commissioner Tschopp noted that this is only in the event that buildings
are approved that are commercial in nature for this area. Chairperson
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Jonathan concurred. Also, the amendment is to apply only to Portola
Avenue between Fred Waring and De Anza as indicated if and when the
property is rezoned. Commission and staff concurred. Chairperson
Jonathan said that was the precursor to the amendment, that in the
event of a rezoning of this area of Portola. Everyone concurred.
There was no further discussion and Chairperson Jonathan called for the
vote. Motion carried 5-0.
Mr. Drell confirmed that they needed to adopt a resolution recommending
to City Council what they just did. Commissioner Finerty said she didn't
know if the resolution they had in their packet was specific enough. Mr.
Drell said they would adjust the wording accordingly. Commissioner
Finerty said she would like the residential character part in there because
that is what they were directed to do. Mr. Drell indicated it said
restricting the size and character of buildings in the O.P. zone. He said it
would be included. Commissioner Finerty said he had the gist. He
concurred.
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2291 , approving
the findings and recommending to City Council approval of Case No. ZOA
04-01 as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
For the audience, Chairperson Jonathan summarized the action of the
commission. Currently Portola is zoned residential in that area. The
General Plan allows with a change of zone in that area office
professional. Office professional has a variety of standards such as a
height up to 25 feet and so forth. What they did tonight was recommend
to the City Council a modification to the office professional standards for
this area so that instead of a 25-foot height, only 15 feet is allowed, or
up to 18 feet with proper showing. They also recommended to Council
that in amending the office professional zone for this area that the design
of any buildings would be residential in character. Commissioner Finerty
complimented Chairperson Jonathan on his summary. Chairperson
Jonathan noted that it was a recommendation to Council, so everyone
was welcome to attend that meeting as well.
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F. Case Nos. C/Z 04-02 and PP 04-20 - PORTOLA PROPERTIES,
Applicant
Request for approval of a change of zone from single family
residential (R-1) to office professional (O.P.) and a precise
plan of design to allow construction of a 14,115 square
foot two-story office building on property located at the
northwest corner of Portola Avenue and Catalina Way
known as 44-277 Portola Avenue.
Mr. Smith noted that the request was twofold. The applicant was
seeking approval of a change of zone from R-1 to O.P. for three lots
located at the northwest corner of Portola and Catalina. The second part
of the request was for the approval of the two-story office professional
building in the location shown on the site plan on display. Generally the
building had been located adjacent to the intersection with parking along
the west side of the property taking its main access from Catalina. There
is a proposed egress from the parking lot at the mid point of the lot onto
Portola. That would be a right-turn only egress onto Portola.
As indicated in the previous discussion and in the staff report, the
General Plan provides for O.P. or medium density residential in this area.
The applicant prepared his request based on the current O.P. standards.
The proposal complies with all those standards. The proposal did not
comply with the recommended code amendment the Commission just
acted upon. So the chart on page 3 where staff analyzed the comparison
between the current O.P. and the proposed O.P. was a little off in that
they took out the building length criteria. But the building before the
Commission, the architecture of the building is two-stories. Initially it was
at 25 feet maximum. In an effort to obtain approval from architectural
review commission, the applicant submitted an amended plan which
showed the building at a maximum of 22 feet. Even at that, architectural
review could not support the request. They didn't feel it was residential
in character. But staff did analyze both forms of the request.
As heard during the discussion on the code amendment, there was
neighborhood input in that the applicant did hold a meeting with the
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neighbors back in June. Basically they heard the concerns previously. It
was traffic related and it was building mass related. Planning Commission
also received letters of opposition which were included with their
packets.
Generally, the precise plan before the Commission is not consistent with
the ordinance amendment which the Commission just recommended.
Consequently, they couldn't act on the proposal.
In the staff report staff indicated that at best the proposal is premature
until the Council were to say they think two-story and 25 feet is
acceptable here or at worst it doesn't comply with the proposed
amendment which the Commission recommended. Given the direction of
the City Council during the General Plan discussions, staff had no choice
but to recommend denial of the precise plan. Without an acceptable
precise plan, staff wasn't prepared to recommend approval of the change
of zone. Staff was recommending that Case Nos. C/Z 04-02 and PP 04-
`,�, 20 be denied.
Chairperson Jonathan noted that the staff report indicates that the
applicant filed a timely appeal to the ARC action, which was an action of
denial and asked for the status of that appeal. Mr. Smith explained that
it was pending. Staff would refer this action along with the appeal to the
ARC action to the Council for a consolidated consideration.
Chairperson Jonathan wasn't suggesting that it was desirable, but
technically there are two applications before the commission and one is
a change of zone. He asked if it was technically possible to approve a
change of zone without approving the precise plan. Again, not that they
would be well advised to do so, but he wanted to know if that was an
option. Mr. Smith said it would be consistent with the General Plan.
Chairperson Jonathan said that if that were to happen, it would fall into
the newly amended standards as recommended. Mr. Smith said yes, if
it was adopted by Council.
There were no further questions. Chairperson Jonathan opened the public
hearing and asked for commission comments. He explained that the
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procedure was to let the applicant address the commission, then give
others an opportunity to address the commission, and then the applicant
would be given the final opportunity to readdress the commission.
MR. CHRISTOPHER McFADDEN, the architect and owner of this
property, addressed the commission. He thought that
Commissioner Tschopp brought up a really good point during the
last agenda item's discussion and that was the economic viability
of all of this. He said this was really sad, that last motion. He
thought he was being denied land use that others have been
entitled to in the O.P. use in the event that does get approved.
This building that they designed was a labor of a lot of work.
He has been in this desert since 1963, coming down here with his
parents, grew up down here. He ended up apprenticing/mentoring
down here under architects and worked on some real visionary
projects in his early days down here. Mission Hills Country Club,
which was a multiple family project. It had single story, dual-
story/two story integrated throughout. A beautiful project. He
could remember working on Desert Island, a six-story multifamily
project condominium. He could remember as a young man
standing up on the sixth floor of the spancrete slabs looking out
across the freeway and envisioning that some day this desert
would be developed clear out to the Chocolate Mountains. It
wasn't like that back in the early 70's, but look at it now. They
were steadily gaining that way.
There had been a lot of vision used in this community. Palm Desert
has been at the forefront of that and he has always been proud to
be in Palm Desert. He was licensed at the age of 27 in 1987 and
opened up his office in Palm Desert in 1989. He has invested in
this community. He taught out at C.O.D. and paid back into his
industry and had many young mentors and apprentices himself.
Recently he got the opportunity to work on the Intrawest project,
which was a two-story multifamily residential project of nice
character, some of it based on the spline program that they did at
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Mission Hills. It was a very successful formula. They brought that
to this project. This wasn't the first project he looked at. He has
been wanting to do this now for years, open his own office
building and have his own office inside there. This was it. They
looked at four or five other projects and due to economic viability,
that was a fact of life, they couldn't get them to pencil out. It just
didn't work. He was looking at a 10- to 12-year performa on this
project and now it is 12 to 15 depending on additional conditions,
including sinking the building for another $100,000 to $150,000
in expense to comply and get this thing a little more residential in
feel.
He stated that he has done numerous commercial office buildings
next to multifamily projects, which is what they had here. This
was not a past formula that hasn't proven successful. He could
remember doing this over on Larrea Street. This building
architecture complies with a significant portion of buildings
`„ immediately around it, the newer buildings. Currently the economic
lifeline on these things is declining in this area. He agreed with
95% of the staff report on this. He thought they all read it and he
didn't need to reiterate all of those issues, except for its
conclusion.
He wanted to start with a "Phil Drellian" quotation that it is a
"synergistically strong community." They've heard that before. If
they pull back and look at Portola here and start with Valley
Christian Assembly on the corner, that was neither commercial nor
residential. Churches fit into neighborhoods either way they go.
Valley Christian acquired property and that corner would change
over the next ten years. They've acquired houses along there,
inboard projects along there and that was likely to change.
The project that was submitted to the Commission complies with
the eight-foot movement on Portola. They accounted for the traffic
flows along there. There are some serious problems along Portola
right now.
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As he told them, this is the fifth project they've looked at. He had
his real estate agent go out and look at five or six different areas
they were looking at in the city of Palm Desert over the years and
this was years of development. He started on this project in
November of last year. They approached the homeowners on this
project. It wasn't on the market; it wasn't for sale.
They had a meeting here about the overlay that Council was so
gracious to provide for, one that hadn't been mentioned tonight
yet and that was the open space. An O.S. designation was also
put on this, along with the O.P. Council members and the City
have been looking at this a long time.
What do they do along this area? This was their vision. They were
trying to accommodate a lot of concerns along there. Right now
he had a home with an abandoned swimming pool in there. He has
abandoned vehicles along this area. The home on that corner now
he thought was a great candidate for a controlled burn. The
economic viability of all these projects along there now, he was
renting a house in there that is only at 75-80% of market value
here in the city of Palm Desert.
Portola is a dangerous road for a resident. He couldn't imagine
putting multifamily here and having families coming out onto this
street and in and out on Portola. That would create much more of
a problem. As far as he was concerned, take the O.S. and give
him back his half a million plus he has invested. in the property
here. He would go away and find some place else to develop.
But he has a vision, too, as do a number of the leaders. And this
building was his vision. This building was sensitive to the
neighbors. It provided much more open space than what is
currently along that frontage right now. He allowed the property
owner immediately to the north of him to come in on this deal and
in regards to the zone change, he was including that property in
the zone change so he could follow on the coat tails of this
project. He was giving him deeded egress over to Catalina along
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that. They were providing for a little bit flow out to Portola for a
safer vehicular movement.
He said they used some nice materials on this. He could sink this
building three feet down. That worked for him. It is an expense,
but he was willing to do it, adjust the site conditions, he could
change some roof lines, but there were some elements in this
design (referring to the elevations on display) and it was a very
slow pitched roof to comply with some of the looks of the projects
immediately to the north of this. There was 150 feet from the
two-story townhouses and some of those gable elements were
designed to have some compatibility. There are two story projects,
the town homes up on Santa Rosa that are setback to Portola, so
it is part of the same elevation. Across the street at Portola del
Sol, there are two story inboard multifamily projects in there, too.
This was the widest component along Portola there. Portola del
Sol and Portola Village, which is to the north of this project, are
`. significantly set back from Portola. He walked this project for a
month before getting started on the design. This was the ninth
design. This was the one that penciled out for them long term so
that he could move in and take 3,000 square feet and have his
own office building in there.
What happens in there is these restrictions come down and the
project is restricted in size and the cost per square foot goes way
up. That's how they get a rate of return on these things. What
would happen now with this project is if it goes to single story,
the use has to become more intense and basically only medical use
is the only thing that justifies those kinds of rates in the rentals of
these things.
As they look up and down Portola and see the direction that it is
going, when they did the first meeting and got the overlay on this
thing with this as a suggestion, his real estate agent was just
pounded by two dozen different owners who were ready so sell
their residences, to the north and to the south of Fred Waring
along here. People want to get out of there. Commercial properties
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are being proposed to the south of this. Ford Realty has a
commercial project. This area is going to change. It might not with
him now. The other thing is what they were doing along Fred
Waring. People want sound abatement walls and landscaped
areas. He couldn't stand in the way of that. He was just one
individual.
Chairperson Jonathan asked Mr. McFadden to bring his presentation to
a conclusion.
Mr. McFadden said he agreed with 95% of the staff report except
for the few details with regard to some of the relationships with
the two-story components around it and it's conclusion, especially
with the limiting of things on the square footage size and story
heights.
Chairperson Jonathan thanked him. He opened the discussion for
testimony in FAVOR or OPPOSITION. He noted that he had a few
Request to Speak cards and asked if Ramona Fletcher wished to speak.
MRS. RAMONA FLETCHER addressed the commission. She noted
that the Commission had her letter. She wouldn't go over all that
again. What she did want to add was what she previously said
about having a residential area here where they have people 24/7.
They would eliminate a great many of the problems the multiple of
reasons they went through when they sat through all those
meetings. She wouldn't go through all of those. Some of the
people want to speak on the specifics. But she heard someone say
tonight that this is a blighted area. She didn't think this was a
blighted area. A few homes that are being let go she felt that the
City's policy itself needs to be taken into consideration. They kept
them in flux for years about Portola as to whether it would be
widened, whether it would be O.P. It seemed to her that they
were addressing some commission approximately every 18
months.
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This is a residential neighborhood. They have the schools, they
have kids that are walking up and down these very narrow
sidewalks going to all these schools and from all these schools.
Office professional didn't belong in there. She knew Mr. McFadden
was a wonderful person. She would love to have him as a
neighbor. If he wanted to build a house there, she would be the
first one to take him cake.
But in the meantime, what she really wanted to say to the
commission is please leave them residential. The whole of Portola
from Gerald Ford all the way up and around the corner and run into
Monterey, for the majority of the places, except for Highway 1 1 1
and a little bit on Country Club, it is residential. All the new homes
are residential. They have a few places on major thoroughfares
that are commercial. Keep them there.
The General Plan that everyone worked on in 2002 was thought
out. There was nothing wrong with it. Stick with the plan they had
in 2002. Try to keep this whole street compatible to what it is for
those miles and let their kids have one street that isn't just parking
lots and office professional, markets or whatever. And for them,
too.
The City needed to make it definite and stop having them come
and spend their money, time and all their efforts all the time. It
made them afraid to even add a new tree or to paint it because
they don't know if they are going to be taken away in the next
year. It certainly didn't give them a lot of feeling of security. That
was the best thing she could say or the only thing she could really
say that it comes down to. She asked them to please think about
this and leave this area residential and let them do what they can
to keep the historic area. They have office professional buildings
all over and there are even zones for that on the 2002 General
Plan. She thanked everyone for listening to her.
MR. PAUL BOWIE addressed the commission. He noted that the
Commission received a letter that he submitted on September 1
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and his points were made in the letter and he didn't need to repeat
them. Other than to reinforce part of the points by saying that
they have made some investment into the property they own there
at 44-401 Portola in recent time. They have made certain
monetary investments into the property to improve the property to
increase its efficiency to make it have great appeal. Those
statements were made in his letter. And they did this because they
believe in the area and in the residency and the residences there
and the people that are in the area. He just wanted to reaffirm the
wishes of himself, his wife and the other people that residential is
the flavor of that area. He thanked them.
MS. KAMMIE TAVARES, 73-925 Catalina Way, said their home is
at the corner of Catalina and San Jose, which would be cater
corner from the back of this project. She said they have lived here
since March and she canvassed the neighborhoods and had been
speaking to her neighbors about the project since they are the new
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kids on the block. What she found is that it is largely a family
neighborhood. Families and lots of kids. The last two years it had
really grown to become that. People have bought these older
homes and remodeled them. The neighborhood had really become
upgraded the last couple of years and part of the problem with this
project is they don't have sidewalks in their neighborhood. With an
office building, even with just the entrance on Catalina Way and
an exit on Portola where they can only turn right, people who are
not going in that direction are going to turn around at the closest
street possible, which is Catalina, and they'll just do a U on
Catalina and probably go down toward San Pablo. They have
adults and children walking down those streets because they don't
have sidewalks.
They have a public park planned on De Anza. There was a
newspaper article that came out last week about the park where
the residents, adults and children could walk and keep the cars out
of the neighborhood. She thought the main concern about families
in the neighborhood is traffic from an office complex coming down
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their street in a neighborhood where there are lots of kids and no
sidewalks. She thanked them.
MR. DOUG WALKER, the owner of 44-326 San Jose Avenue,
addressed the commission. He said that property is located at the
corner of San Jose and Catalina. It was his old home and they
were currently using it as a rental, although they were going to
have their daughter and her husband living there shortly, so they
were really concerned about the integrity of the residential
neighborhood. He mirrored what the previous person said. Among
their greatest concerns, not just this project, but if office
professional or even medium residential went in on Portola would
be an increase in traffic along Catalina. As was stated, there are
no sidewalks in that area and one thing that hadn't been
mentioned tonight, as possible mitigation, and he didn't know if
the City had considered the possibility of turning some of that area
along Portola into an area similar to what has been done with Fred
Waring where there are actually bike paths, a greenbelt, something
that would mitigate a number of issues that have been discussed
here this evening.
He said they resolved his concern about the height of the building
in their previous discussion. Since their property would be
immediately behind the proposed project, they have concern that
people in that structure being able to look down, even without
intending to, into their backyard and into the windows of the
home. Some has been mitigated, but if it turned out to be a two-
story structure, even if it was lowered there would need to be
some mitigation in terms of a walkway on any second story that
would obstruct the view of being able to look down into the
residential areas.
He commended Mr. McFadden on the job he had done if in fact
there were office professional buildings in the area. From having
a chance to meet with him, he thought he had taken a few things
into consideration to try and blend in, but their sense was that it
would be preferable not to go the route of commercial
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development because of the traffic and noise problems. And if for
some reason in the future this commission deemed it appropriate,
along with the Council, to recommend office professional zoning,
he hoped whenever that occurred that there would be a concurrent
discussion about landscaping, appropriate kinds of walls that have
gone up in other places in the city, sidewalks that would allow for
mitigation of the traffic and noise, and safety issues. But he hoped
they would pass along or think about the idea of possibly doing
something along Portola that has worked so well in another part
of the city. He thanked them.
MRS. ANN WALKER addressed the commission. She said she and
her husband shared a lot of the same feelings about this. They
have owned the house behind that property for 30 years. They
have been in Palm Desert since 1975. It has been single family the
whole time. There was a time when the neighborhood was kind of
a slum, but it was really turning around and turning into a neat
neighborhood. '
Her three concerns with this project were one, privacy. The
Commission pretty much helped them with that by making it single
story because as Doug said, their daughter was moving in there
October 1 and she didn't want everybody looking down into their
living room and two of their bedrooms, so privacy was her number
one concern. Even though they didn't go to Mr. McFadden's June
meeting because of her husband's dad dying, they did talk to him
later at his office and he was willing to work with them as far as
making the wall higher. He had a six-foot wall and they wanted at
least seven. So he was willing to talk to them. But making it single
story helped her a lot.
Noise and traffic were the other concerns. They lived on Fairway
Drive for about 14 years until they had to move, and keeping the
zoning R-1 as Fairway Drive is did not solve the traffic and noise
problems. She wouldn't want to live on Portola and moved off of
Fairway. But privacy, traffic and noise and the way that is set up,
most of the traffic would go in right across their back yard in and
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out of Catalina. If they could cut it down to one story instead of
two they would cut the traffic in half. She thanked the
commission for their recommendation on the last item.
MS. JEAN MARTIN, 44-276 San Jose Avenue, addressed the
commission. Her property is just to the west of this project facing
the parking lot. Her backyard would be up against the parking lot.
Having 58 parking spaces back there, she just couldn't imagine
emissions from automobiles going in and out of there.
She again had to address the traffic on Catalina Street. It is strictly
residential, no sidewalks. They have children and school buses.
The elderly coming from the senior center take their morning walks
and two care facilities. Those people even get out in the morning
and do their walk up and down Catalina Street.
They had two youngsters hit by automobiles in the last year in
i... broad daylight. So they could see that there is a problem there.
She has lived in Palm Desert since 1952 since before most of
them were born and had been in that house since 1960. She
thanked them for their time.
MS. MING LOWE, 73-985 Catalina Way, addressed the
commission. She bought that property in 1967. She said she went
around in the heat and photographed some of the houses that
would be abutting the proposed project. She didn't see any weeds
and everyone seemed to be taking pretty good care of their
homes. It is a neighborhood and there is a school on either end of
Portola. There were cross walk people helping children across
streets and that is just a really terrible way of looking at it. If they
could, they would see that all the surrounding buildings in the
neighborhood are probably about 13 to 15 feet. They are very low.
Her biggest concern was that her driveway and her neighbor's
driveway are 36 feet, as she said in her letter that she hoped the
commission had, from the proposed entrance to the McFadden
parking lot with the proposed 59 cars with the projected in and
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out of 30 + cars an hour. So that was a real concern to her. She
planned on keeping her house as a residence. She didn't have
commercial plans for it. Mr. Kennedy, whose property connected
with hers to the next street, he would be two lots back from
Portola and he would never benefit from office building changes on
Portola and he has a beautiful house with a pool and gardener and
she thought they could clearly see from the pictures that his front
yard, and her property, was 36 feet from the proposed driveway.
There is a senior center down at the end. One time she saw a little
Alzheimer lady who thought she was taking the bus to work in
Pasadena standing out there, so there is an assisted living complex
down the street and she thought it was a good idea to keep it
quiet. But her big concern was this parking lot on a residential
street of Catalina with entrances and exits going on all day.
The height of 18 feet would be excessive to her thinking. She
photographed the corners and 18 feet would really change the
look of the neighborhood. She thanked them.
MR. JIM WALKER, 44-445 San Jose Avenue, said he appreciated
Mr. McFadden meeting with the neighbors and dealing with the
situation and their concerns. The one concern he had was basically
the traffic in and out on Catalina or any development that goes
along on Portola. The traffic should be one of the main concerns
they look at. He thought Mr. McFadden said originally he thought
it was an architectural firm, his own, and he thought it was a
really good operation and a nice building and his staff in there. But
he thought Mr. McFadden had the intention of dividing it up to
possibly eight different units for bringing in eight different
subleases in there. And if he wasn't mistaken, Mr. McFadden was
talking about 35 cars an hour going in and out of the building
there. That was quite a bit of traffic, especially on Catalina itself.
If there was an access point out on Portola, possibly, and
alleviating the residential on Catalina. Like everyone said, there are
no sidewalks and there is a lot of walking traffic on that road. He
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thought that if they could look at some way of keeping it off of
Catalina that would maybe help the situation. He thanked them.
MR. ANTHONY PITEL, 44-399 Lingle Lane, stated that he had two
lots on the end of Lingle Lane. It was one cul-de-sac in from San
Jose. He has kids and he actually grew up on that street. He
bought the property from his parents. He has two little kids who
go up and down the street to school and he thought it would be
terrible to have an office building on Portola and people coming off
onto Catalina. It would be bad. He had never spoken to a city
council before. But he saw that building and it would just be huge.
He walked down that street when he was a little boy to go to
school. Any way they could put it, it was the wrong place for it to
be. He thanked the commission.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if Mr. McFadden would like to readdress the
commission.
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Mr. McFadden said in response to some of the concerns expressed
by the neighbors, he understood their concerns and had met with
them and he was willing to do what was reasonable and fair to
accommodate whatever he could. As they were aware, they were
primarily concerned about the area along Portola. To bring in the
inboard neighborhood and all of these things, that is not where the
decline is as they were aware. This is a good buffer. There is a
good symbionic relationship between an office building and an
interior buffer, and a buffer to that interior residential area. It
worked both noise wise and occupancy wise. Regarding the
parking situation, he was asked for an average rate per hour. But
after he thought about it, Valley Christian Assembly, basically an
office, is used where people arrive in the morning as the residential
people leave. They pretty much stay there throughout the day with
a little bit of in and out during the course of the day with office
visits and lunch time, and then they leave at night and the parking
lot, and as residents come home they are departing.
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As far as the view concerns go, he had mitigated them as far as
closing off all the back areas. There was no gaze down. There was
an interior hallway on the inside so there was no one looking down
into the back of those residences. Regarding the concern for the
view components, he thought they pretty much took care of that.
There was another item with the overall size of this project. It was
pushed as far away from them and the scale of this building was
somewhat reducible. He didn't believe that it is excessive what
would fit there well in that corner. He thought it would be a good
relationship. He thanked them.
Chairperson Jonathan closed the public hearing and asked the
commission for comments.
Commissioner Finerty stated that she appreciated everyone coming out
tonight. She thought it was important to listen to all that they had to say.
It certainly helped to guide them and they heard loud and clear that they
all prefer having their neighborhood left residential. She did speak in favor
through the General Plan process about doing the open space along
Portola as they did along Fred Waring and that has always been her
priority. However, sometimes she was a lone vote. She urged them when
this matter goes to Council to share those concerns with them as well.
She also thanked Mr. McFadden. She thought he had a very attractive
building, she just wished he was before them with this project in another
location because she did very much like the architecture and thought he
did a good job. She also liked the fact that he worked with the residents
and she heard that they appreciated that fact as well. That was always
a good sign. But as one of the residents spoke, this just wasn't the
proper building for this area. With that, she thought that staff provided
them with the proper conclusion and that would be to deny the project.
Commissioner Tschopp concurred. He thanked everyone for their
comments. They were very helpful. He also complimented Mr. McFadden.
He thought the building was very attractive, either very visionary or
premature, or perhaps both. But he thought it would work in another
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area. Given the steps they took before, it isn't compatible with the code
proposed by Commission and those arguments previous to this and then
the arguments here persuaded him to agree with staff's recommendation.
Commissioner Campbell said it was a beautiful building and she was in
favor of having office professional there closer to the center of town
instead of always moving to the freeway north. She thought they needed
office professional there when the time comes, but again, it is a beautiful
building but in that location, especially with the zoning ordinance
amendment just approved this evening, it wasn't really feasible to have
a building of that size in that location.
Commissioner Lopez concurred. He thought that the project itself was an
attractive building, but it was in the wrong spot, at least from his
perspective. He also thanked everyone for staying and taking the time to
come out and express their concerns. He hoped Mr. McFadden would
find the right location for this nice project.
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Chairperson Jonathan also concurred. He saw before him a lot of nice
people and enjoyed hearing from them all and thanked them for being at
the meeting. He included Mr. McFadden in that. The good news is that
Mr. McFadden heard five commissioners say what a beautiful looking
project he had and that spoke volumes. The bad news from Mr.
McFadden's perspective is that the consensus was that it was just the
wrong location for that particular design. He said that he has grown to
believe in the wisdom of low intensity office as a border to some of our
major arteries as a transition from busy streets to residential. And it was
possible that some day they might have some other office professional
type project come before them that was of a smaller scale, less intrusive
and a softer transition from a very very busy street to residential. So he
urged them to keep their minds open to the possibility of an office
building that if properly designed, could serve their desire to keep their
neighborhood safe, which he thought was the ultimate goal. There are
examples of that type of transition, including on Fred Waring, on
Monterey and on Deep Canyon. If they drive on Deep Canyon between
Fred Waring and Highway 1 1 1 , they could see some office buildings on
the west side where they really have to pause and look to realize that
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they are office buildings because they look like homes. So something like
that could serve as an effective transition to kind of shield the residential
neighborhood from busy traffic on streets like Portola. That might or
might not come down the pike at a later time, but in terms of what was
before them, he concurred with his fellow commissioners. He thought
that first of all they didn't have a choice but to deny the application due
to the revised zoning and the application for the precise plan. But he
would also not favor a change of zone to office professional as a stand
alone issue. He would rather do that in conjunction with a precise plan
should that come before them. So he was in agreement with his fellow
commissioners and would entertain a motion for denial.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-
0.
It was moved by Commissioner Finerty, seconded by Commissioner Will
Tschopp, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2292, denying
Case Nos. C/Z 04-02 and PP 04-20. Motion carried 5-0.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
Commissioner Campbell reported that there was no meeting.
B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
Commissioner Finerty said the meeting was informational.
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C. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
Commissioner Finerty reported that Project Area 4 was canceled.
XI. COMMENTS
Commissioner Campbell asked if Mr. Drell spoke with Code Enforcement
regarding the house on the corner. Mr. Drell said he went to look at it.
Commissioner Campbell asked what was going on there. Mr. Drell didn't
think it had ever had a garage. He thought it was a maintenance problem.
Commissioner Campbell said there were five cars and some parked on
the lawn. Mr. Drell said when he went there cars weren't parked there.
Commissioner Campbell thought they were probably working. They might
be there after five and on the weekends. Mr. Drell said he would have
Code Enforcement check it out because there was definitely a
maintenance problem there.
�.. Chairperson Jonathan asked if they were moving forward on revising or
creating some language on the mixed office/warehouse parking. Mr. Drell
said that it is on the list.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Chairperson Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:46 p.m.
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