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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Jonathan called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m.
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Finerty led in the pledge of allegiance.
III. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Sabby Jonathan, Chairperson
Dave Tschopp, Vice Chairperson
Sonia Campbell
Cindy Finerty
� Jim Lopez (arrived at 6:03 p.m.)
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Phil Drell, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, City Attorney
Steve Smith, Planning Manager
Ryan Stendell, Planning Technician
Phil Joy, Associate Transportation Planner
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Request for consideration of the January 18, 2005 meeting minutes.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving January 18, 2005 meeting minutes. Motion carried 4-
0-1 (Commissioner Lopez was absent).
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V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION �
Mr. Drell and Mr. Smith summarized ertinent Januar 27 2005 Cit �
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Council Actions. (Commissioner Lopez arrived during this discussion.)
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 04-25 - WILLIAM J. WORZACK, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to consolidate
four lots into two to accommodate two approved office
building on property located on Sheryl Avenue.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion
carried 5-0.
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS
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Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Case No. CUP 04-21 - VICORP RESTAURANTS/BAKERS SQUARE,
Applicants
Request approval of a conditional use permit to allow the
addition of a patio with 30 seats at 73-075 Highway 1 1 1 .
Mr. Stendell explained that Bakers Square was proposing a remodel
which would include new paint, some exterior columns, landscaping and
most importantly a patio with seats located at the rear facing the existing
parking lot. The C-1 zone requires a conditional use permit for patios in
excess of 12 seats.
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He indicated that the main concern with this CUP approval was adequate
� parking. Based on the additional square footage, this would add a need
for approximately five parking spaces. From staff parking counts, he
observed quadruple or five times in most case. Staff was comfortable
with the levels of parking and recommended approval of Conditional Use
Permit 04-21 .
For the proposed patio and surrounding grass area, Commissioner
Campbell asked if there would be a perimeter wall installed or if they
would be enclosing it in any way. Mr. Stendell noted that the plans
called for some wrought iron barriers. As well, the applicant was working
with the Landscape Department. He said that this site currently has a lot
of high water-using landscaping. In negotiations with the applicant, they
would be removing a lot of it and providing a nice barrier and landscaping
along the patio. So a good portion of the high wate�-using landscaping
would be replaced with desert landscaping to match the adjacent area.
Commissioner Campbell noted that a patio area would only have a view
of the parking area, but they would be outside. Mr. Stendell said the
intention was to landscape it very nicely. Mr. Drell thought they had the
same issue as other restaurants in providing an area for customers to
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Chairperson Jonathan asked if there were any plans to make some
modest improvements to the southerly section of the parking lot, the one
that was formerly south of the gas station. It is in a state of disrepair.
Mr. Stendell said that landscape-wise, yes. He didn't think they would be
doing the asphalt. They would be bringing the islands and the fingers up
to the landscaping and getting rid of the oleanders, which were pretty
much dead. They would be doing that as part of this remodel.
Chairperson Jonathan thought that at a minimum, they might need to
restripe. He didn't know if there was slurry seal required. The other
suggestion he had, and they could make it a condition in addition to that,
was the possibility of having directional signs saying "additional parking"
with arrows. He goes to Bakers Square sometimes and he sees people
waiting for spots in front of the entrance not knowing about the other
section. Mr. Stendell thought that was a valid concern. With the shape
of the lot, a couple of signs wouldn't be out of the question.
Commissioner Tschopp asked about the parking in front of Palomino's.
He asked if that was public or private parking. Mr. Stendell said it wasn't
part of this parcel, but believed it was part of the Palomino's parcel. Mr.
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Drell said it was actually public, so all the other parking is part of what
they call President's Plaza III. The only exclusive parking is the parking for
the two lots, which were exclusive to Bakers Square. Commissioner
Tschopp said it wasn't germane to Bakers Square, but that public parking
lot was being used by Palomino's as valet parking and precluding anyone
else from being able to use it. Mr. Drell explained that Palomino's has a
valet parking plan which designates areas they can exclusively use.
Technically, a patron going to Bakers Square could use it as well. He
noted that City Wok was going to be reoccupied by a restaurant called
Pinnacle and it would be a bar and grill, kind of a barbeque place. He
believed the deal with Palomino is that they can operate a valet, but
anyone can use it. It was a little more convenient to Palomino, but he
assumed they were still in compliance with their plan.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if Palomino's had an exception to the
present ordinance on valet parking that allows them to have valet parking
on the most convenient parking to the restaurant. Mr. Drell said he would
have to look at their plan. Staff could check into the nature of their
permit. Commissioner Tschopp thought that would be good.
The other issue regarding the parking count is that he didn't see a count
being done at night, at 6:00 or 7:00 at night. There is a parking problem
over there during the season at night and part of it he believed was
caused by the lack of convenient parking that the valets use, the old
Highway 74 on both sides of the street, precluding anyone else from
using it. So he believed there is a parking problem there created f.or
adjacent restaurants such as Bakers Square. Mr. Drell said that Bakers
Square doesn't have the problem; technically they have the signs saying
Bakers Square. He didn't think historically, and it would depend on the
success of the restaurant, but obviously there wasn't a problem this last
season with City Wok gone and Pak Inn gone, so there was plenty of
parking. Our problem there has always been a relatively large parking lot
which extends all the way to Larkspur or Lupine. All the restaurants were
clustered in one spot. So when all three restaurants are busy, directly
adjacent to the restaurants was always a problem. There was plenty of
parking, you just had to walk down toward Tony Roma's. It was an
inherent situation and he didn't think it involved this application since
they have their own exclusive parking.
Their biggest problem was keeping Palomino, City Wok and CPK �
customers out of their parking lot because technically they are not a
participant in the Presidents Plaza III public parking. That's just been an
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inherent problem with the design where they just had a bunch of
� restaurants all clustered together. There's plenty of parking in the lot, it's
just that some people have to walk further down toward Tony Roma's.
Mr. Drell said that the valet permit comes up every year and they could
bring it back to the next meeting and they could examine and kind of
question the intent of the valet ordinance and if it's being implemented,
or if people are just submitting plans and they are being accepted.
Chairperson Jonathan asked who issues those permits. Mr. Drell said it
was the Public Works Department. He agreed that the intent was to use,
and for a while they were using the lot and one of the aisles behind Carl's
Jr. That was the valet area. Commissioner Finerty thought that made
more sense. Mr. Drell noticed one evening that it didn't appear they were
using that any more. It might be that they weren't supposed to be using
those spaces, he didn't know. So staff would check. He believed that
each year it's a renewed plan and permit. They could be directed to
conceivably change it.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if staff would report back on the status of
Palomino's valet parking permit. He also requested that staff look at the
permit for Augusta's because they were closing off their entire parking
�,,,,, lot again on various evenings. Mr. Drell noted that restaurants on EI
Paseo were struggling to some degree relative to competition to the
restaurants in The River.
Similar to Commissioner Tschopp's initial comment, Chairperson
Jonathan asked if there was an exception and if there is and it is
warranted, fine. The only thing was if the permit was issued without
thought, or if someone was continuously in violation or doesn't have a
permit. Mr. Drell noted sometimes you pay a valet to park the car only
a few feet away. Chairperson Jonathan agreed, and sometimes there was
no choice because if the whole parking lot is being used, there isn't a
choice.
For the times that the various parking counts were made, Commissioner
Lopez asked if Bakers Square is open for all three meals. Mr. Stendell said
yes. Commissioner Lopez thought that dinner would be their busiest time,
but no counts were made after 4:00 p.m. Commissioner Campbell
indicated there are a lot of customers around 5:30 p.m. Commissioner
Lopez said it would be interesting to have a count at 6:00 p.m.
Commissioner Campbell noted there was parking behind there going west
which was empty all the time.
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Commissioner Tschopp disagreed. Commissioner Campbell said she goes
there in the morning. Commissioner Tschopp said that on a night during
the season, parking there is very congested and filled. Behind the Carl's
Jr. area there is parking available and some don't mind walking to use
that. But to get around Bakers Square or Palomino's on the west side
was very congested. Part of it was from the layout. Mr. Stendell said it
was his understanding that Bakers Square is open for three meals, but
believed their biggest meals are breakfast and lunch.
Commissioner Lopez asked if the parking below there was part of Bakers
Square, too. Mr. Stendell said no. Mr. Drell explained it is general public
parking. When City Wok was in full operation, that was all full. There
was no question that whole area was full and will be full every evening;
the public portion. He said that Bakers Square has often alleged that
people were using their parking lot who were in fact going to City Wok
or Palomino. And they were given a choice to participate with the
assessment district for the public parking, but they didn't want to do that
because they wanted to have some ability to throw people out. He
suggested that the Bakers Square representative could report on their
observations as to what they feel happens there at night, especially when
all the restaurants were in full gear. �
Commissioner Campbell asked if they could put in a chain so that it
would be private, since it was their own private parking lot. Mr. Drell said
they probably could. They have circulation out onto Highway 74 and on
the frontage road. That would make it somewhat less convenient for
someone wandering around the other lot into their lot.
Another thing about the parking study, Chairperson Jonathan noted that
it didn't look like staff went out on a weekend morning. On Sunday
mornings after churches let out and so forth, he thought there was a
peak demand for parking, although the neighborhood restaurants were
typically not open for breakfast. Mr. Drell concurred that the public lot
was empty during that period. Mr. Stendell stated that based on the level
of the addition generated by code, approximately five spaces, versus the
number of spaces available out there throughout the day Monday through
Friday, staff didn't see a problem. But if it was the Commission's desi�e
for staff to evaluate the parking on evenings and weekends, he could do
that.
Chairperson Jonathan said they would find that out when they got to the
: discussion stage. He thought what Mr. Stendell was experiencing is that
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historically the Commission is somewhat skeptical because it isn't exactly
� a scientific method and they are aware that there are peak times and non
peak times.
On the corner of Highway 74 and Highway 1 1 1 , Commissioner Tschopp
asked if there was any anticipated use for that site that would generate
a need for additional parking. Mr. Drell said the assumption was that any
use of that site would be parked on its own merits. The good news is
they don't anticipate it being a restaurant. There is talk about it being a
bank. That would provide additional parking in the evening, on weekends
and in the early mornings. But that's the discussion going on right now.
Chairperson Jonathan o�ened the public hearing and asked the applicant
to address the Commission.
MR. RAY BAKER, National Facilities Manager for Bakers Square/
Vicorp Restaurants, 9415 Greenleaf Avenue in Santa Fe Springs,
California, 90670. He said one thing they are planning to do, and
he didn't know if he shared this with Mr. Stendell, but they are
going to do an overlay on that parking lot and bring in asphalt and
bring it up to ADA code.
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On the parking, he has been out here off and on for the past two
or three months and weekends, and he left the property a little
while ago, and he knew it was during the week, but on that old
Highway 74 lot tonight there was nothing on it whatsoever. He
thought he was the only one parked back there. The other thing,
especially on the weekends, they primarily do mornings and noon
and by 2:30 p.m. or so they are pretty much done. They do a little
night business, but it was a lot of pie and coffee to a certain
extent. He thought Palomino did noon and evening.
Mr. Drell said it was just evening.
Mr. Baker said in talking with Don Newburg, the manager, they did
have a problem with the overlap with the valet. But he thought
that after they posted the spot, a lot of that had been eliminated.
He wasn't saying totally, but it was a lot better than it was. So he
didn't think this patio area, which required five or six additional
spaces, he didn't think it would impact them a whole lot.
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A couple of different things they were trying to do here is just
upgrade this property. It has not been a real magnet on that corner
and then with new development going in, like the proposed bank,
they want to be in line with that. They agreed to do the desert
landscape with the decomposed granite and desert type plants and
low moisture content. So he thought the overall program with
what they were going to do with the exterior of the building,
which wasn't a whole lot, but it would enhance it color-wise. The
design review board liked what they were doing there.
He thought the patio area would add to the overall ambience of
the restaurant. If they could get around this parking issue, he
thought they had a good project and this had always been a good
market for them. They just wanted to make it better for their
patrons and the community as a whole.
Commissioner Lopez said he was very concerned about the parking
situation. They currently have 50 parking places, and if it is five below
what they should have and they would be adding another five, that
would make the requirement 60, which would be 10 below what they
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should have. He was uncomfortable with the counts in staff's survey, but
he asked Mr. Baker to expand a little on what his experience has been so
far regarding the counts or the customers. He knew they were open for
breakfast, lunch and dinner and asked for confirmation that his busiest
times are breakfast and lunch.
Mr. Baker said yes, that's their biggest day part of the business.
Commissioner Lopez asked if it changed seasonally.
Mr. Bakers said he knew it was a different animal, but from his
experience, they did a study on this in Anaheim several years ago
in the resort area south of Disneyland, and the counts they got
were very similar to what the staff here did. The weekend parts
for them, the big hit is breakfast about 7:00 a.m. until a little after
church and then after 2:00 p.m. it drops off. From there on it is
pie and coffee. It is steady, but it isn't a big blast. He wasn't
trying to diminish their night part. They do have a night part, but
it's spread out.
They do have a lot of seniors that come in early and he noticed
that at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m. they like to get in because they have a
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early bird/senior special. So in this situation with the number of
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aren't seniors come in maybe after 6:00 or 7:00 p.m. He thought
that was pretty true to form for this market here. It seemed to him
when he was there tonight meeting with the landscaper, 3:30
p.m. until when he came to this meeting, they had quite a few
seniors come in.
Mr. Drell thought Palomino was probably the opposite. It was probably
just starting at 6:00 p.m., and it was probably at its peak at 8:00 p.m.
Mr. Baker didn't think they were going to impact it that much. The
patio would take some pressure off their dining room. They hoped
it would generate some more business, but if they have people
who want to smoke, it gives them an opportunity to do so. Some
just like the ambience outside and here in Palm Desert they could
probably do that 10 months out of the year. And on the right side
of the building, that was a great setting there and location. With
what was going on there, they were really trying to upgrade their
restaurant to fit in and give it one step up beyond a coffee shop.
� Chairperson Jonathan asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR or
OPPOSITION to the proposal. There was no one and the public hearing
was closed. Chairperson Jonathan asked for Commission comments.
Commissioner Campbell thought having the patio would really be an
asset to that area. She has been there for breakfast and lunch and had
always had enough parking. Even if they enclosed that area with a chain
so that people from Palomino couldn't park in there, that would be
excellent also. If the bank went in, there was still adequate parking. They
have adequate parking during breakfast and lunch and that would give
them more room at dinner if they needed it. Every time she had been
there it wasn't full to where she had to wait for a table. People in the
main dining room toward the back, if they are smokers they would use
the patio, so it wasn't that there would be more people taking up more
parking spaces. She moved for approval.
Commissioner Tschopp said he's a fan of outside patio dining. As M�.
Baker stated, we have an area here that can provide 10 months of good
outdoor dining and he thought it was a great ambience to provide here
in Palm Desert. He thought the parking is a problem there, but they
would have additional parking once Palomino's opens the privatized
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public lot and perhaps uses valet parking the way it shouid be used. So =�
he believed they will have some parking available and he was in favor of �
the expansion.
Commissioner Finerty concurred.
Commissioner Lopez stated that he also is a big fan of outdoor dining and
he's a big fan of Bakers. He was just concerned about the parking. If
they could take the right steps from staff's stand point, look at this area
and make sure Palomino's isn't overstepping their boundaries, he thought
they would be okay. He hoped quite frankly that this patio area would
add business to their business and they are even more successful.
Chairperson Jonathan said similarly he was concerned about the parking,
but he thought there were mitigating circumstances here, particularly the
ample public parking if it is properly used as public parking. He thought
that could handle the overflow. The other mitigation, if they could build
in a condition, the applicant has already indicated he was willing to
overlay the lot and create proper striping, as well as a requirement for
signage, he thought the parking lot to the south there would be better
utilized. He said he used to go there, and still frequents it regularly, but :g
when the gas station was there, they used to have tow trucks and other �
types of vehicles there, so not only taking up parking spaces, but it was
really unsightly and you just didn't want to go there. With the
enhancement to that part of the parking lot and with some directional
signs, plus the ample public parking, there was enough mitigation there
so that hopefully this would be successful, but the additional parking
would be accommodated.
He requested a second to the motion and asked if it would include the
requirement to overlay the parking with striping and add directional signs.
Commissioner Finerty seconded the motion and both Commissioners
Campbell and Finerty concurred with adding that as Condition No. 6.
Chairperson Jonathan called for the vote.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Finerty, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2321 , approving �
Case No. CUP 04-21 , subject to conditions as amended to add �
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Community Development Condition No. 6 requiring parking lot restriping
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B. Case No. ZOA 04-04 - CITY OF PALM DESERT, Applicant
Request for approval of a zoning ordinance amendment as
it relates to wall heights and locations in the R-1 and PR
zone districts.
Mr. Smith distributed photographs of walls he took pictures of around the
city. He explained the matter before the Commission was as a result of
Council direction in that the Council was concerned that certain single
family neighborhoods are becoming "Alamo" like as a result of people
enclosing front street side yards with solid walls. The staff report before
the Commission listed the current provisions relating to walls, and then
there were some proposed amendments. He wanted to add under the
request where it referred to this as applying to the R-1 and PR zone
districts, the R-2 and R-3 zone districts since it applies to single family
lots in those zone categories as well.
� He reviewed the salient points of the staff report. He stated that it was
a Class 5 Categorical Exemption for purposes of CEQA and recommended
approval. He noted that this was reviewed by the l.andscape
Beautification Committee in late November and they gave some direction
which staff took. More recently, this was before Architectural Review
and staff had some additional clauses which ARC convinced staff to
remove, so what the Planning Commission had before them came with
ARC's recommendation.
Commissioner Campbell thought that the pictures were very effective and
covered all the areas in the staff recommendation as to the landscaping
and insert/deepness of the wall, the steps on the wall, and the gates. She
thought it was very good.
In one of the photographs, Commissioner Lopez said it looked like a
corner lot. Mr. Smith thought it was the nine-lot tract on Portola.
Commissioner Lopez asked if it was acceptable. Mr. Smith said yes. The
intent in that photo was to show what pilasters add to an otherwise flat
wall. Mr. Drell indicated that on tracts, staff has been enforcing a 20-foot
setback on perimeter walls for a long time because of undulating
sidewalks, etc., so theoretically it should be 20 feet if it's a perimeter
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tract wall. Chairperson Jonathan noted that this one wasn't. It's an
attractive project, but it put a lot into a small area. That wall is maybe
three feet from the sidewalk. Commissioner Lopez agreed, making note
that the wall looked huge. He said the only reason he asked the question
was, especially in an environment like this where if they don't have some
type of wall this high, they could get all the car lights in the windows. He
was sure there is flexibility, but he didn't think this would be acceptable.
Mr. Drell said if it wasn't 20, he wasn't sure why they didn't make it 20.
Maybe because the site was so tight to begin with. Chairperson Jonathan
said they may have granted an exception. They were really trying to fit
in all those homes into a small area. Mr. Drell said as an example, all the
homes on Portola and Hovley and all the other tracts, they've been doing
20 feet.
Commissioner Finerty asked where Mr. Smith was addressing the type
of material that the walls may be out of. She saw in the current code,
Items C and D, where they are spelling out decorative block, stucco,
wood split rail, open picket or wrought iron, but she wasn't seeing a
reference in the recommendation. Mr. Smith said the recommendation is
that it remain as is. Chairperson Jonathan clarified that Mr. Smith was
just adding wording to the existing wording with regard to the step or �
undulation or pilaster. Mr. Smith said that was correct. Mr. Drell said that
if they look at the exhibit, the exhibit contains the materials section. Mr.
Smith said it was pages three and four of the draft resolution.
Commissioner Lopez thought it was interesting to see that the
Architectural Review Board did not like wrought iron. Mr. Drell said they
allow wrought iron, they didn't feel it should get any exception relative
to distance. They didn't think wrought iron was inherently more
attractive than a well-designed decorative block wall. So wrought iron is
still an approved material, there was a discussion that perhaps wrought
iron could be closer. But to some degree, wrought iron takes on a prison-
like look, especially if it's close to the street.
Regarding the proposed amendment, Chairperson Jonathan noted that it
was proactive and not retroactive. Existing homes are grandfathered in.
Mr. Smith said that was correct.
Commissioner Tschopp asked how a decorative wall would be handled
that escalates up quite a bit and then comes down. He asked if there was
a provision allowing that. Mr. Smith explained that it was through the
exceptions process. Mr. Drell said it goes through the Architectural
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Commission. They've been doing that frequently. The idea is to get
� architecture in those walls, especially if they are blocking the view in
front of the house. Typically ARC has been fairly positive toward
attempts to make walls more interesting. Referring to one of the
photograph examples, Commissioner Campbell thought it put the focus
on the gate itself and was like a work of art in itself. The wall was
simple, but the gate was the main focus.
Commissioner Tschopp didn't disagree, but he thought it looked more like
a fortress America than anything else. He didn't know if there was some
way to draft this do away with that. Commissioner Finerty brought up
the issue of landscaping. Mr. Smith said that wall complied with code at
15 feet and the wall around the corner was the problem wall. Mr. Drell
said that wall would be further back and would have landscaping in front
of it.
The initial response, and these general ideas we�e also brought to the
Council when they initiated the amendment, what triggered this whole
thing were comments about people walling off their whole yard and some
discussion to prevent people from doing that and saying people could
only wall of 40% or 60%. Some of the Councilmen who had that initial
,�,,,,, idea, when staff brought it back to them the second time, thought people
should have the right to create privacy if they want it. What was more
important was the setback and the landscaping in front of the wall.
He suggested if the Planning Commission felt strongly that people
shouldn't be able to wall off their front yard, then they could put that
sort of provision back. Only 40% of the lineal frontage could be
enclosed. And maybe 60% if wrought iron was used. The Council
seemed to back away from that given the prevalence of whole
communities that are walled in like fortresses in this town.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if the proposed walls took into
consideration the requirements for pools in the front yards. Mr. Smith
said it would be more difficult to have pools in the front yard since pools
must be enclosed by a five-foot high fence. So they will be at 15 feet.
Mr. Drell said either that, or they would have to go through the
exceptions process. One thing people have done with pools in their front
yards is they use the excuse of the pool and then enclose their entire
front yard as well. It would be part of the exceptions process and
compelling reasons why they can't put a pool in their backyard or they
might not be able to have the size of the pool they want. It's a balancing
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of values here. He said houses are just setback a minimum of 20 feet
from property line, so in most situations there is 32 feet from curb. The
message is if you want a pool in the front yard, design your house further
back.
Commissioner Tschopp asked if it had been the experience of staff that
someone living in an older neighborhood where the volume of traffic on
the street corner is greater than ever anticipated that an exception is
granted for a higher wall, or closer. You could see that in some areas of
the city where that has happened. Mr. Smith said they've had several on
Portola. Mr. Drell said they have had more enclosed front yards in the
more exclusive, less traffic neighborhoods.
Commissioner Finerty noted that they were allowed in Palm Desert
Country Club because people back up to the golf course and they can't
put a pool in their backyard because they don't have one. Mr. Drell
concurred. He said the exceptions section was not set up like a variance.
You don't have to prove that someone is going to die if it's granted. In
the past the Council didn't pay a lot of attention to walls. The ARC has
been ruling on exceptions for 15 years. So initially, Council is going to be
looking at exceptions very carefully and a certain number of them might �
get called up and the parameter for what sort of exceptions they granted
will get established through that process.
Chairperson Jonathan o�ened the public hearing and asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR or OPPOSITION to this matter.
MR. CHRISTOPHER GUNDERSON, 43-845 Tennessee Avenue in
Palm Desert Country Club, stated that he was here more for
information to see where this was going. His house is not just a
corner lot, it's surrounded on three sides: by Fred Waring,
Tennessee and Florida Avenue. The road expansion on the south
wall coming in, obviously they were dealing with a high volume of
traffic and then with a traffic signal proposed for Tennessee and
Fred Waring. His question was how he would be affected on the
Tennessee portion of the setback in this circumstance because
according to the ordinance, he would only be allowed to have a
four-foot wall. With the sound level coming from Fred Waring, this
became an issue. He asked if he would fall into the exceptions rule
or if he would have something in advance at this point.
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Chairperson Jonathan asked why only a four-foot wall. He asked if he
�,,,, was limited because of the setback ability.
Mr. Gunderson stated that the current wall that is on his property
that will disappear with the construction of the sound wall was
originally permitted and on the Tennessee side where they didn't
finish the wall because of the pending construction. Where it stops
is 10 feet from the Tennessee curb. Based on the ordinance he
just read, he would have to be setback 15 feet, which puts it right
smack dab in the middle of his yard. His concern with the passing
of this ordinance is they would have a huge piece of property in
front next to the curb and he would have half a yard and the only
thing that would be left is the property on the Florida side.
Chairperson Jonathan said if he read it correctly, he could be seven feet
from curb at three and a half feet. Mr. Smith said that was correct. Mr.
Drell noted that he was interested in a sound wall. Under our current
code he couldn't be at ten feet either; in the current code it would be 15
feet. So he would be asking for an exception either way. He has an
existing wall that isn't finished.
�,,,,, Mr. Gunderson said the wall was under construction when they
received the notice of the widening project nine years ago.
Mr. Drell asked if this was the wall on Tennessee.
Mr. Gunderson said that was correct. The wall is on Fred Waring
and it has a 45-degree angle on the corner which ends on
Tennessee and it was meant to continue to the driveway, but with
the construction project and widening and a sound wall that was
proposed nine years ago, he stopped construction on the wall
because he didn't want to throw the money into something that
was going to get torn down.
Chairperson Jonathan said that if Mr. Gunderson was looking for an
exception to the height limitation or to a setback for a certain height, he
would go through the exception process under the proposed revised
provision.
Mr. Gunderson said what he proposed to the City is the sound wall
is supposed to be at eight feet coming around the corner and then
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having it step down to six feet over to the driveway area and then
continuing on around four feet on the Florida side.
Chairperson Jonathan said that in his mind, those would be the kind of
circumstances that would justify an exception. Hopefully he would be
able to resolve that, but he was right, what he has in mind doesn't seem
to fit under the ordinance, so it would have to go through the exceptions
request process.
Mr. Gunderson thanked them.
Chairperson Jonathan closed the public hearing and asked for
Commission comments.
Commissioner Lopez thought it was a good ordinance. He lives in a
community where for whatever reason someone decided to put up a wall
in the front and the next 14 homes decided to do the same thing. They
all look different and he was very concerned about some of the
landscaping, and some have no landscaping. He thought this was taking
the right steps to formalize what should be done with these walls. He
moved for approval.
Commissioner Campbell concurred and seconded the motion.
Commissioner Finerty also concurred.
Commissioner Tschopp thought it was a good attempt to address an
unsightly problem at times. He believed that the exception allowance was
also needed and necessary.
Chairperson Jonathan concurred and remarked that one of the things he
liked about the revised ordinance is that it doesn't make a decision for a
homeowner that he thought was a matter of personal preference, which
is simply to have a front yard wall or not and instead seeks to create
some standards that meet the aesthetic requirements of the city, yet can
lend themselves to the requirements of the homeowner. Fundamentally
he liked that. There were no other comments and he called for the vote.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-
0.
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It was moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner
�, Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2322,
recommending to City Council approval of Case No. ZOA 04-04. Motion
carried 5-0.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
Commissioner Campbell reported that it was informational.
B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
Commissioner Finerty informed Commission that the meeting was
tomorrow.
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C. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
Commissioner Finerty reported that the meeting was informational.
XI. COMMENTS
Commissioner Campbell asked what items were on the agenda for the
next meeting because she might be absent. Mr. Smith said there were
three or four items. Commissioner Campbell asked if Sacred Heart was
one of them. Mr. Smith said yes. They would also be revisiting Sares
Regis. They weren't adding units, they were adding property.
Chairperson Jonathan asked if there were any other Commissioners who
knew they might be absent on the 15th. There was no one else
expecting to be absent.
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XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Chairperson Jonathan, seconded by Commissioner
Tschopp, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. Motion carried 5-0.
The meeting was adjourned at 7:09 p.m.
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