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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY — DECEMBER 16, 2008
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Tanner called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Van Tanner, Chair
Sonia Campbell, Vice Chair
Russ Campbell
Connor Limont
Mari Schmidt
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development
Bob Hargreaves, Deputy City Attorney
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Renee Schrader, Associate Planner
Missy Grisa, Assistant Planner
Mark Diercks, Transportation Engineer
Tonya Monroe, Administrative Secretary
III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Chairperson Tanner led in the pledge of allegiance.
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
None.
V. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Ms. Aylaian summarized pertinent December 11, 2008 meeting minutes.
VI. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
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None.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Case No. PMW 08-353 — FOUNTAINHEAD INDIO, LP, Applicant
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to allow a lot
line adjustment for a new Firestone Tire building at 78-018
Country Club Drive.
B. Case No. PMW 08-378 — JAMES J. AND CAROL FILLER
AND BIGHORN DEVELOPMENT, LLC, Applicants
Request for approval of a parcel map waiver to allow a lot
line adjustment to accommodate a swimming pool at 1015
Mountain Springs Road.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, approving the Consent Calendar by minute motion. Motion carried
5-0.
Vill. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to
raising only those issues he, she or someone else raised at the public
hearing described herein, or in written correspondence delivered to the
Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Case No. CUP 08-433— LAWRENCE M. ANDREWS, Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit to allow the
use of "AC Massage Therapy" in an existing Office
Professional zone at 72-855 Fred Waring Drive, Suite C-16.
Ms. Grisa reviewed the staff report and recommended approval of CUP
08-433 by adoption of the findings and the draft resolution, subject to the
conditions.
Chairperson Tanner opened the public hearing and asked the applicant to
address the Commission.
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MR. LAWRENCE ANDREWS, 13107 Equestrian Lane in Whittier,
California, said he was present to answer any questions. He didn't
have anything to add.
Chairperson Tanner asked if Mr. Andrews could tell them a little bit about
his massage therapy business experience; he noticed that Mr. Andrews
had received many accommodations.
Mr. Andrews stated that he's fairly active in the community.
Regarding his personal experience, he has a partner who has been
working in this business for about 20 years and he has been doing
it himself for about four years. They decided to open up their own
business. He confirmed that he himself is a therapist.
Chairperson Tanner noticed that in his expanded statement of use, Mr.
Andrews said that records at the Riverside County Assessor's Office
indicate that this unit has been used for a massage business in the past.
Mr. Andrews said that was what he found when he was going
through the Assessor's records.
Chairperson Tanner asked if there was a conditional use permit granted
for this.
Mr. Andrews was under the impression there was. When he asked
at the City Planning Department, he was told that a CUP expires if
it isn't used after a certain period of time.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked for confirmation that Mr. Andrews did
not make any changes to the floor plan.
Mr. Andrews confirmed that it was just like it was previously.
Chairperson Tanner asked if anyone wished to speak in FAVOR of or in
OPPOSITION to the public hearing. There was no one and the public
hearing was closed.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, approving the findings as presented by staff. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2493, approving
Case No. CUP 08-433, subject to conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
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B. Case No. CUP 08-444— ULF STRANDJORD, Applicant
Request for approval of a conditional use permit to allow the
use of the "Desert Valley All-Star Mavericks Cheer" business
in an existing service industrial building at 73-605 Dinah
Shore Drive, Suite 500E.
Ms. Grisa reviewed the staff report and recommended approval of CUP
08-444 by adoption of the findings and the resolution, subject to the
conditions.
Commissioner Schmidt noted that the Falling Waters condominium
complex exists south of this project and asked how far away it was. Mr.
Bagato replied that the whole project was adjacent just to the south of this
project. But the vacant portion of Falling Waters had gone under
financially and the bank owns it. They were under construction, but
currently it was unoccupied and not moving forward. The project covered
30 acres behind this site for 277 condominiums, and there was a 20-foot
setback from the residential building to this property line.
Chairperson Tanner asked how many of the Falling Waters condominiums
had been built to date. Mr. Bagato thought 25 of the buildings. None of
them had sold.
Commissioner Limont asked if this building was insulated and asked if
Commissioner Schmidt was concerned about noise impacts to the
residents from the cheering. Commissioner Schmidt believed there was a
section in the plans that showed there was a lot of baffling going on. That
was her concern and it was answered.
Ms. Grisa explained that the applicant has plans in for tenant
improvements. They have to make changes to the building for this
proposed use.
Chairperson Tanner asked Ms. Grisa to show how many entries and exits
were proposed on the plans for the occupied space by the applicant. Ms.
Grisa did so. She pointed out the front entrance, said there was a garage
door with an adjacent door, and another door on the west side of the
building.
There were no other questions for staff. Chairperson Tanner opened the
public hearing and asked the applicant to address the Commission.
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MR. CURTIS SHUPE, the architect, with offices at 72-880 Fred
Waring Drive, stated that the building owner and the Director of the
Mavericks were both present to answer any specific questions. He
said they reviewed the staff report and agreed to the conditions of
approval. He didn't see any issues that were a problem here.
Condition No. 2 called for review by the Palm Desert Architectural
Commission and also by the Public Works Department, but they
really weren't proposing any improvements that are exterior to the
building that would require Architectural Review or grading and
drainage from Public Works. He thought it was probably broiler
plate that it was in there to cover that possibility. One other concern
they might have there was Condition No. 5 calling for a maximum of
18 team members and there might be the occasional 24-25 that
would be present at one time there at the site. They thought the
building and parking could accommodate that.
Regarding the issue with the adjacent condominium project, there
are tall retaining walls to the west and to the south of this particular
building and he didn't think there would be any interaction between
the two sites. As far as the exiting, the building meets Building
Department requirements and building code requirements. If they
had any specific questions for the building owner or operator of the
building, they were present. He thanked them.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked if they would be having dancing and
tryouts and cheering.
MS. AMY GRAY, Director and CEO of the Desert Valley Mavericks,
said they are in their 12th year. Between the hours of 4:00 p.m. and
8:00 p.m. they had ages 3 thru 18. They've got four cheer teams, a
dance team, and then on Tuesdays they have classes. So what
they were doing was with their teams, and they are a nonprofit
organization and they were not exclusive and no kids were cut from
their program. Whoever wanted to do the program, it was open to
them. So what they were doing was training their teams and they
compete throughout Southern California. Last year one of their
teams went to Florida and competed in the Worlds, which was like
the Olympics of cheerleading. So they represent the Coachella
Valley throughout the state of California, Nevada and Florida. They
train them and they also do the tumbling training as well.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked if they were doing any cheering with a
lot of noise or loud music.
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Ms. Gray said that because of the walls and the way the building is
constructed, only when they have that rollup door open during the
hotter months could they hear something, but most of their
business is done after the businesses around them are gone. She
thought probably about 88% of the clientele are dropped off. The
parents drop them off and go to the businesses and restaurants
around the area and then come back and pick them up. It was only
for the youngest members where the parents actually stay and
watch. Most of what they do is music based, all of it was actually,
but it was not blaring whatsoever.
Commissioner Schmidt asked where they were currently located.
Ms. Gray said for the first ten years they were nomadic: they were
renting space from Palm Springs Unified, working at Big League
Dreams, etc. For the last seven years they were in Thousand
Palms across the freeway over on Plantation renting from a man
named Brian Orr. They wanted to move to Palm Desert.
There were no other questions. Chairperson Tanner asked if anyone
wished to speak in FAVOR of or in OPPOSITION to the proposed project.
There was no response and the public hearing was closed. Chairperson
Tanner asked for Commission comments.
Commissioner R. Campbell said he drove down there and he was kidding
earlier with some of the Commissioners that he would have liked to have
had some of the maps because it took him probably ten minutes to find
the location. But he did find it and they were right, it is back in the corner
and he saw the walls and couldn't see where there would be any problems
with any neighbors. He certainly would not want to try to scale that wall
and then jump down. But that being said, back in there was so well lighted
he thought was a great area for parents to bring their children and drop
them off because they are off the main highways, not near Monterey and
not that close to Dinah Shore. He thought that was a great area, very well
lighted, and there was more parking than they were ever going to need,
unless all those buildings fill up. He was in favor of the project.
Commissioner Limont said her only concern, which was addressed by her
two colleagues, was noise and the bass, where you could be inside a
building but the reverberation could be a little rough on the outside. As
long as they watched that and it didn't become an issue or interfere with
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other folks, she would agree that it was a great project and great for the
kids.
Commissioner S. Campbell concurred with the other Commissioners. With
the hours of operation from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., no one would be there
to oppose the noise and she was also in favor of the project. She made a
motion to approve.
Action:
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, approving the findings as presented by staff.
Chairperson Tanner wanted to address the conditions of approval and the
requirement for review by the Architectural Review Commission. He asked
if this was something they could eliminate from the conditions. Mr. Bagato
said yes, it was just kind of a general condition for all projects and this
project didn't need to go there, so it could be eliminated.
Chairperson Tanner said the second issue was the maximum of 18 team
members at the approved site at any one time. They heard that there
might be a maximum of 24 and he asked if that was something they could
amend.
Commissioner S. Campbell amended her motion to allow up to 30 and
eliminated Condition of Approval No. 2. Ms. Aylaian asked the case
planner if there was sufficient parking for the increased number since the
project was analyzed using 18. Ms. Grisa said yes; she counted 30 plus
spaces just immediately adjacent to the building, in addition to many stalls
located farther away. Commissioner Limont seconded the amended
motion. Motion carried 5-0.
It was moved by Commissioner S. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2494, approving
Case No. CUP 08-444, subject to conditions as amended. Motion carried
5-0.
C. Case Nos. CZJTPM/PP 08-191 - URBAN HOUSING COMMUNITIES,
LLC, Applicant
(Continued from December 2, 2008)
Request for a recommendation to the City Council for
approval of a change of zone from Planned Community
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Development (PCD) to Planned Residential 14 dwelling units
per acre (PR-14), a tentative parcel map to subdivide an
11.8-acre parcel into two lots to accommodate a future
childcare facility not a part of the project, a precise plan of
design to allow the construction of 144 affordable housing
units with amenities, and a Mitigated Negative Declaration of
Environmental Impact as it relates to the proposed project.
The proposed project is located at 73-500 35th Avenue on
the south side of 351h Avenue between Gateway Drive and
Cortesia Way (C Street), also known as APN 694-130-005.
Ms. Schrader reviewed the staff report. She corrected a couple of
typographical errors on the draft resolution, correcting the spelling of the
word Council, changing The Living Desert to Urban Housing, LLC, and
noted that Public Works Condition of Approval No. 10 should say Chapter
27, not Chapter 26. She also added Community Development Condition
No. 12, "Prior to final approval of the change of zone, the applicant shall
enter into a housing agreement with the City of Palm Desert establishing
the percentage of housing units in the project that shall be maintained as
affordable to households with incomes between 25% and 60% of the area
median income. The affordability percentage shall be 100% as proposed
by the applicant, unless a lesser percentage is deemed acceptable by the
City Council. However, in no event shall the affordability percentage be
less than 20%. The agreement shall also establish the terms of
affordability, and include provisions requiring recordation of the
affordability restrictions against the subject property." Staff recommended
that the Planning Commission adopt the findings and the Resolution as
amended recommending to the City Council approval of Case Nos. CZ /
TPM / PP 08-191, subject to the conditions.
Commissioner R. Campbell asked if they were to deny this change, what
effect that would have on the applicant as far as how many units the
applicant could build. Ms. Aylaian explained that they were recommending
a change of zone to get to a certain density of residential units per acre.
Mr. Bagato further explained that the current zoning is PCD, which
requires a master planned project, which could be anything under the
General Plan. The General Plan allows anywhere from four to 22 units per
acre, but under the General Plan, four to nine units per acres is allowed
without having to meet the eight criteria of the high density overlay.
Anything above ten units requires the eight criteria for high density, so
either way the change of zone would be required under the PCD zone no
matter what type of project. Ms. Aylaian said that would get them roughly
99 units at nine units per acre using 11 acres.
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Commissioner R. Campbell indicated that the problem he was faced with,
and the other members might not agree with him, but the City basically at
this point in time has about a 10% differential between owned and rental
and he felt they should be closer to 5% and 7%. If they looked at the one
statement under B, it says in the University Park area 80% to 90% of the
residential units would be for purchase. That made it between 20% and
10%. The problem he was looking at is they are slowly increasing more
and more and more so he felt the rental units were getting too high versus
how many are purchased, and that's where his concern is and was his
question.
Commissioner Limont said it is to get us up to our requirement for
affordable housing. Ms. Schrader said yes, these are rental units.
Commissioner Limont said it was to help meet our affordable housing
requirement as opposed to simply being rentals; Ms. Schrader concurred.
Commissioner Limont noted that the City is mandated to have a certain
amount of affordable housing and this was going down that path. Ms.
Aylaian explained that this project could be anywhere from 20% affordable
to 100% affordable, so what it does provide is an assemblage of rental
units that would be appropriate for market rate or for subsidized affordable
housing units. But yes, they do try to maintain a balance of rental units to
ownership units, and in particular in the north sphere or University Park
planning area, they thought it was appropriate that there be more rental
units than perhaps in other parts of the city, because of the proximity of
the university and because of the proximity to some of the jobs and the big
box retail type jobs that would be there. So they were trying to maintain a
balance and a proximity between our workforce, housing and actual jobs
they would be filling.
Commissioner R. Campbell said that basically what they were saying to
him is that this type of project is almost a set aside project and it cannot be
used in the calculations for the City as a whole which he is concerned
with. Because if they are mandated, then they've said to him that he
doesn't have any choice; he has to have a higher percentage than they
would normally allow or want. Ms. Aylaian said they don't put a limit on the
number of rental or ownership units in the city as a whole. They do look for
strategic locations to locate rental versus ownership units and this
particular location is one staff felt would be ideal for rental units.
Commissioner R. Campbell said if he wanted to do that calculation and felt
they were having too many rentals, he would have to basically set that
aside and not count that in as the city of Palm Desert where the federal
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government or anyone else was involved. Ms. Aylaian said no, it was
appropriate if he had a concern and felt we have too many rental units in
the city; she thought it was appropriate for him to state his concern as a
policy issue. Nonetheless, the State of California does mandate, and is
passed down through our RHNA allocation for affordable housing units
and housing units of all types, moderate income as well as affordable, a
certain number of housing units that need to be made available in the city.
In order to produce that, the City is obligated to produce a large number of
affordable housing units and those almost by definition need to be rental
units. They have found that for some people of moderate or slightly above
moderate income, it is appropriate that they be homeowners and they do
provide them owner units like at Desert Rose, or Falcon Crest. But in
general, they've had greater success making affordable units be rental
type units for rental tenancy. Because of this particular location, staff felt
this was an appropriate location for rental units. If the Commission or the
Council in general were concerned that they were ending up with too
many rental units in town, she would propose that other locations not as
fortuitously situated be considered for ownership to readjust that balance,
because if they are looking for a place appropriate for rentals, staff
believed this was an ideal location.
Commissioner Schmidt said it was a little confusing because on the plat
buildings were identified numerically, and then on the rendering it talked
about 16-plex Building A. She asked how many of these buildings would
exceed the 25-foot height limit. Ms. Schrader explained that there are
eight 16-plex buildings and they start at 24 feet and they progress with
almost five different roof pitches all the way to 29, but the portion that
exceeds the 24 is only 21%. The rest of it, 79%, was under the 24-feet or
at 24 feet. If they looked at the site plan at the buildings along 35th, these
larger buildings were the 16-plex buildings. There are two 8-plex buildings,
Building No. 4 and Building No. 8. The remainder of the buildings was the
16-plexes. They were two stories with eight units on each floor.
Of the ten structures, Commissioner Schmidt said that eight of them have
this roof. Ms. Schrader showed a rendering with the varying roof pitches.
Commissioner S. Campbell asked if this would be a gated community.
She didn't see any gates on the plan on 351h Avenue. Ms. Schrader didn't
see a gate on 35th; there was, however, a gate on the west side on
Gateway. She thought that might be conceptual and might be something
they were still deciding. She would imagine there would be a gate, but was
something they could ask the applicant.
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Commissioner Schmidt asked if the parcel that was set aside for future
daycare use was owned by the same group that owns the rest of the
property. Ms. Schrader said it is right now.
There were no other questions for staff. Chairperson Tanner opened the
public hearing and asked the applicant to address the Commission.
MR. MARK IRVING, Urban Housing Communities, 2000 E. Fourth
Street, Suite 205, in Santa Ana, California, 92705, said he had a
few things. One thing that wasn't mentioned in terms of noting into
the record was that UHC is actually the owner of the property now.
He thought the initial staff report had the previous owner. In terms
of the project, just to address some of the questions they had about
it, it is a gated community. Secondly, the daycare facility was
designed initially on the corner of Gateway and 351h. The City asked
that it be relocated to its current location. The thought of the
daycare center was also an idea of the City's, so they included it
and that's why they were asking for a subdivision of the parcels.
In terms of the conditions, he mentioned that regarding Condition
No. 12, they believed it should read as per code, which was
essentially that somebody would go into a housing agreement and
that would be based on the requirements of the housing in the area.
It was their full intention to have it as 100% affordable, but their
understanding was the entitlements and the economics were
separate and this condition combined the two. So they believed that
the section regarding the affordability, the income levels, should not
be part of it. He asked for any questions.
Commissioner S. Campbell noted that with the economy the way it is
going, if they have approval for this project, how far down the line it would
be built.
Mr. Irving replied that the process of affordable projects is to utilize
tax credits and bonds. Upon approval of the project, the project
would then apply for the bonds and then the tax credits. They would
anticipate that through that process they would be looking at a start
time of approximately August-September of 2009.
Chairperson Tanner asked if they anticipated because of the location that
they would be renting in the future to college students aged 18-22. He
asked if demographically that was what they were heading for or trying to
get.
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Mr. Irving couldn't say they have ever sat down and said they were
going to target it to college students. If they applied and then
showed the documentation pursuant to the relative income levels,
they would qualify. He wasn't a legal expert on that, but thought if
someone was qualified, regardless of their age, they couldn't say
no, they weren't going to rent to them. Their thoughts were that it is
a multi-family project. It would be adjacent in the future, and due to
the slowdown in the economy maybe a little bit further in the future,
but it is adjacent to an elementary school. They find that a very
important element to the affordable housing community because
families make multiple trips a day to a school. Wasn't it best if kids
walk to school and parents can walk with them and they could then
go off to work and come home and the kids are able to come home
and they don't have to worry about that as opposed to going back
and forth from work and so forth. So it was actually ideal in the fact
that they don't have a reduction in traffic relative to this project
because it will be close to the school and close to the amenities:
the Costco, Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, and that was important to them
too because it makes life better for the people that live there.
Commissioner R. Campbell said he had a couple of questions. He learned
yesterday that the City has a project and they had a fire in a unit and they
were using a new type of stops and because of that, the fire was
contained to that one section, which was important. He asked if something
like that was built into this project.
Mr. Irving said they are all designed to the California codes and in
2007 they did increase the firewall requirements between the units.
As well, the units will have sprinklers in them. Each unit will have
that in the event of a fire, and they would like to think that it would
be contained within that unit, preferably in that little space before it
got too big.
Commissioner R. Campbell noticed that because of the height changes on
the plans, on some of these buildings they would take dirt out and drop
them down. He asked if that was part of the reasoning to make the roofline
user friendly for the city.
Mr. Irving said that the user friendliness came from the Architectural
Review Board. They had initially had a prairie style design and the
roof was level, it fit within the height requirement, and Architectural
Review said they didn't like that roof and to come back with a
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different roof style. And they actually came back with a completely
different architectural style and with the variations in the roof, which
then did break up the plane of the building. In the process, the
architecture was approved and it wasn't until after the fact that it
came to light that the elements of the roof were higher than the
code. As far as the site itself, the site actually does slope 50 feet
from one end to another. He said it didn't appear to be that way
when you're on the corner of C Street and 35th. When you look
there, you don't realize that you do have that kind of fall in there.
There would be some excavation of dirt because there was a fair
amount of fall overall on the site.
Commissioner R. Campbell thanked him and said he liked the new design.
Chairperson Tanner asked for any testimony in FAVOR of or in
OPPOSITION to the proposed project. There was no one and the public
hearing was closed. Chairperson Tanner asked for Commission
comments.
Commissioner Limont had trouble that the answer to architectural
questions or concerns is to go up; to go six feet up from 24 to basically 30.
She just had difficulty with that. She was in favor of the project and in favor
of addressing our needs for affordable housing. She thought it was in the
right place in the city. She thought it also fell in line with regard to the bike
lanes that Parks & Recreation are working on and a lot of different issues
with regard to transportation. She thought it was a perfect spot for this
type of project. But the architecture didn't do a lot for her.
Commissioner S. Campbell had no objection to the height as shown. She
thought the different buildings were strategically placed on the location
and it gave it more movement rather than having a flat roof or looking the
same. She had no objection to that and they (Architectural Review
Commissioners) are architects and knew better than they did.
Commissioner R. Campbell also had no problem with the height. In talking
with someone in the past here he was expressing the type of concern that
Commissioner Limont had and they reminded him that was part of the
reason why the code was written as it is written, to give them some
flexibility. As long as it slopes and they are sitting it down, that wasn't
going to be a large concern for him.
Commissioner Schmidt stated that she had the same concern as
Commissioner Limont. They seemed to agree on this, but for this project
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in that place, she would not object to the height. But it was curious to her
that apparently the applicant came in within the restrictions of the 24-foot
height limit and Architectural Review Commission said let's make it higher.
She had trouble with that and thought maybe they should have a joint
meeting or something and kind of talk it through, but she felt it was a good
project in a good, needed place and she would not object to it.
Chairperson Tanner also agreed with comments that had been made. He
was not opposed to the 29.5 or 30-foot parapet. It gave a nice break to it.
Again, it was in a location that was something that was going to be
needed for the appearance. He moved to approve the applicant's
submission. The motion was seconded by Commissioner R. Campbell.
Action:
It was moved by Chairperson Tanner, seconded by Commissioner R.
Campbell, approving the findings as presented by staff.
Mr. Bagato noted that the applicant brought up the issue of Condition No.
12. As Mr. Irving stated, the finance approval was separate from the
planning approval of the site plan, but until the financing was worked out,
staff wanted to make sure it addressed a minimum of 20% low income.
That was a pretty standard condition on any kind of housing/apartment
project.
Ms. Aylaian said it was also appropriate for the application of the criteria in
the General Plan, so they were looking at a land use issue that says in
order to get the high density overlay, you need to meet certain criteria,
including that a percentage be made available for affordable housing.
Therefore, they wanted to keep in the criteria a requirement of a minimum
of 20% of affordability.
Commissioner Schmidt noted that a revised resolution was given to them
that evening. She asked if what they were talking about was included in
that resolution. Ms. Aylaian said yes. That resolution was the same one
that was in the packet with the exceptions that Ms. Schrader read into the
record, which included that one new condition and the three minor typos.
Commissioner Schmidt stated that she just wanted to make sure she was
comparing apples to apples.
Chairperson Tanner noted that there was a motion and a second as it
stands.
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Mr. Irving wanted to ask a question about that because pursuant to
the questions that went back and forth on Condition 12, they
weren't saying it shouldn't note 20%, they were just saying per the
code, and that would be 20%. They were just saying that the
additional language in it related to affordable housing 100% should
be separate from the condition.
Commissioner Schmidt thought they should look at it. Ms. Aylaian asked
Janet Moore, the Director of Housing, to address the issue.
Ms. Moore stated that the applicant had made a comment that this issue is
separate from the financing from the Planning approval. However, as part
of the General Plan high density overlay, there is a requirement for
affordable units within the development of any housing project. This
project, although it is being proposed as 100% affordable, the applicant is
seeking financing. If he is unable to obtain that financing, he may decide
to reduce the number of affordability in the project. In the event he does
that, he would come back to the City Council for approval of a reduced
amount so that the City Council could review the financial aspects of that.
However, she believed that the applicant was requesting that the 20%
requirement be placed in as a condition, however, she would ask the
applicant if what he is challenging or requesting is the level of affordability
that was put into the words within Condition No. 12.
Ms. Aylaian also added that this project would have to go to the City
Council for approval and they could always make minor modifications in a
particular condition subject to discussion and working out details with the
applicant and legal counsel before getting to the City Council.
Mr. Irving said in answer to the question, Ms. Moore was correct.
They were asking in terms of the specific language regarding the
affordability 25% to 60%, 100% affordable, not be part of the
condition. Just have the condition standards as if.it were just any
project coming before them. That was what they were saying.
There would be certainly a time when they would be discussing the
housing agreement and all that language would be going into the
housing agreement at that time.
Ms. Moore explained that staff's concern was that staff had not been able
to, based on a simple 20% affordability requirement, had not had an
opportunity to review a project with only 20% as far as the proforma and
the financial feasibility of the project. It was reviewed with 100%
affordability with respect to all of the amenities that they have seen, the
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child care facility, etc., and they have reviewed it as a 100% affordable
project, however, as a condition of approval with a requirement between
20% and 100%, there has been no evaluation of those conditions. So for
staff to recommend a percentage of that 20% to be anywhere from very
low to low, she would need further time to review that with the applicant in
order to insure they are asking for the correct number of affordable units
within the feasibility of the finances of the project.
Chairperson Tanner noted that there was a motion and a second and
asked if there was any further discussion.
Commissioner Schmidt said she was unclear as to what they would be
approving. What she heard was that the condition was sort of set to meet
the criteria of low income housing as they view it in the city. What she
heard the applicant just say is that he would like that restriction set aside
and verbalized another way. In her view, with a change of zone they
couldn't really just have that up in the air. They were either going to have it
that way or not. She was in favor of what she just saw and read. She was
not in favor of opening the door to it not being affordable housing and she
needed some clarification on that.
Mr. Hargreaves recommended that it go forward and be approved as is.
This was an issue that just came up within the last day or so and this was
a recommendation to the City Council and would give them time to sit
down and work through it. Nothing that happened tonight was going to be
binding and he didn't want to hold up the project based on this aspect of it.
If they were satisfied with it from a zoning / planning kind of perspective,
they could work out the affordability between now and the time it got to the
City Council. Commissioner Schmidt clarified without changing the
resolution as written. Mr. Hargreaves concurred, without changing the
modified resolution before them.
There was no further discussion; Chairperson Tanner called for the vote.
Motion carried 4-1 (Commissioner Limont voted no).
It was moved by Chairperson Tanner, seconded by Commissioner R.
Campbell, adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2495,
recommending to the City Council approval of Case Nos. CZ/TPM/PP 08-
191, subject to conditions. Motion carried 4-1 (Commissioner Limont voted
no).
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IX. MISCELLANEOUS
None.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
Commissioner S. Campbell indicated that the next meeting would
be December 17, 2008.
B. LANDSCAPE COMMITTEE
Commissioner Limont said the next meeting would be in January.
C. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
Commissioner R. Campbell reported on the issues discussed at
their last meeting.
D. PARKS & RECREATION
Chairperson Tanner reviewed the issues discussed at their
December 16 meeting.
XI. COMMENTS
1. Ms. Aylaian reminded the Commission that the Westfield Study
Session with the City Council and Planning Commission would be
on January 8, 2009 at 2:00 p.m. in the Administrative Conference
Room (ACR).
2. Ms. Aylaian also noted that there would be another study session,
but not a joint study session, and the City Council would be taking a
look at bike lanes and golf cart lanes throughout the city in a study
session on January 26 at 2:00 p.m. in the ACR. An illustrative
project would be the Cook Street proposed widening and what to
do with the bike lanes there, and it was kind of a big picture of the
relative importance of motorized versus non-motorized
transportation within the city. She thought that might be of interest
to the Commissioners.
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3. Ms. Aylaian proposed bringing a representative from the
Architectural Review Commission to a meeting as an informational
or miscellaneous item to give them a description from their
perspective of the use of height and why they would make
recommendations like the one they saw tonight, which was contrary
to what the zoning ordinance would prescribe, but they felt it was in
the best interest as far as use of height. If they wanted, she could
ask someone from the Architectural Review Commission to the
meeting to answer any questions they might have. The
Commission thought that was a good idea.
4. Ms. Aylaian also reported that at the last meeting, there was a
concern regarding one of the conditions of approval that had been
applied to the Jiffy Lube project when it was approved. The
condition indicated that the bay doors should be left closed. She
believed it was Commissioner Limont who brought up the concern
that doors had been left open. She noted that the problem resolved
itself since Jiffy Lube had gone out of business.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Commissioner R. Campbell, seconded by Commissioner
Schmidt, adjourning the meeting by minute motion. The motion carried 5-
0. The meeting was adjourned at 7:13 p.m.
LAURI AYLAIAN, Se
ATTEST:
VAN G. TANNER, Chair
Palm Desert Planning Commission
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