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PALM DESERT PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY — JANUARY 18, 2011
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1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Limont called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
11. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Connor Limont, Chair
Mari Schmidt, Vice Chair
Sonia Campbell
Nancy De Luna
Van Tanner
tow Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Jill Tremblay, Assistant City Attorney
Lauri Aylaian, Director of Community Development
Kevin Swartz, Assistant Planner
Tony Bagato, Principal Planner
Tony Becker, Administrative Secretary
III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Tanner led the pledge of allegiance.
IV. SUMMARY OF COUNCIL ACTION
Ms. Aylaian reported that the City Council had three meetings since the
Planning Commission last met. At the first meeting, the City Council approved
the Parcel Map Waiver for the addition and construction of fifteen homes to
be built by Ponderosa Homes. Another meeting was a special meeting held
Monday, January 17, 2011, regarding the governor's proposed state-wide
budget cuts to Redevelopment Agencies in California. The final meeting was
a two-day retreat attended by Council members, staff and interested citizens.
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The topics discussed included Capital Improvement Projects that have been
planned, the "Hiring Freeze," condition of city parks and marketing efforts to
.. name a few. No decisions or votes were made or taken, this was just an
informative session for new council members to become acquainted with
other council members and establish priorities for the New Year.
V. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
NONE
VI. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Request for approval of the January 4, 2011 meeting minutes.
Action:
Commissioner De Luna moved and Commissioner Schmidt seconded the
approval of the January 4, 2011 meeting minutes. Motion carried
unanimously 5-0.
VII. CONSENT CALENDAR
NONE
Vill. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chair Limont stated that anyone who challenges any hearing matter in
court may be limited to raising only those issues he, she or someone else
raised at the public hearing described herein, or in written correspondence
delivered to the Planning Commission at, or prior to, the public hearing.
A. Case No. Case No. TPM 36338 / HTE 10-388 Avondale Country
Club, Applicant
Approval for a tentative parcel map to create three new residential
lots for Avondale Golf Club, located within Avondale Country Club
on the northwest corner of Country Club Drive and Eldorado Drive.
Assistant Planner Kevin Swartz orally presented his staff report and
PowerPoint presentation to the Planning Commission. He
described the three properties that the country club wished to
develop or sell for development. The request conforms to the
zoning ordinance and staff recommends approval. Mr. Swartz
entertained commissioner questions.
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Commissioner De Luna asked Mr. Swartz about the current
neighbors to these parcels and how/if they would be affected by the
development of these parcels. Mr. Swartz stated that staff •
advertised to all area people owning property within 300' of the
parcels in question, and received no feedback regarding any of the
parcels.
Commissioner Tanner asked if these parcels were already zoned
and 'tracted' in this parcel map or a brand new project. Mr. Swartz
stated that it was brand new, but that the zoning is consistent with
the area and would not change. Chair Limont clarified that these
parcels still match with the original development standards. Mr.
Swartz stated that the development standards wouldn't change,
even by adding these homes, which would bring the total up to 304
homes which is under the 307 originally planned. Commissioner
Campbell pointed out that there were already driveways built on a
couple of the parcels in anticipation of this endeavor.
Hearing no other questions, Chair Limont declared the public
hearing open.
Warren Carey, 75779 Heritage West, Palm Desert, is on the Board
of Directors of Avondale and spoke about the project. He stated
that this project has been underway for some time. The board
asked the members for their approval [by majority] and received
their approval to design and build on the lots. He assured the
Planning Commission that none of these lots would deter from any
view or access to the golf course. Mr. Carey stated that the Board
received no objections to this project.
Commissioner Tanner asked Mr. Carey if he (Avondale) would be
developing these lots and/or selling them. Mr. Carey stated that
yes; the process would be that they would first offer them up for
purchase and development to any of the membership. If they
wanted to build a house, they would have a 30 day window to begin
that process. If no members wanted to purchase/develop the lots,
then Avondale would put the lots on the open market for sale.
Commissioner Schmidt asked if there were any other vacant
properties in Avondale. Mr. Carey stated that there were a total of
five lots (including these three), but that these other two lots aren't
strategically placed and would have issues with errant golf balls or
blocked views. Consequently, the Board decided not to pursue
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anything with these two lots. Theoretically however, they could be
developed at a future date.
Commissioner De Luna queried about Parcels #1 and #2 and
noticed that their lot-lines extended farther out than their neighbors'
and asked if this would block their neighbors' views. Mr. Carey
stated that the CC&R's allow a lot-line fence up to 32" in height, so
as to protect the view of the lot holder and the neighbor(s). He
didn't anticipate that this would be an issue when the lots were
developed. Mr. Carey stated that both houses are 'end' houses and
have privacy walls that were allowed to be built just short of the
property line. Parcels #1 and #2 would not be impacted by these
fences because their location allows their view to be straight on
facing the fairway. Commissioner De Luna followed up by asking
about the size of the houses that would be built. Mr. Carey stated
that the houses would range from 2,400 to 3,800 square feet.
Commissioner Campbell asked if there were any two-story houses
in Avondale. Mr. Carey stated that there were none but that some
houses have decorative cupolas on their roofs.
Chair Limont heard no other questions presented and declared the
public hearing closed.
Action:
Commissioner De Luna moved and Commissioner Campbell seconded
the motion to approve case TPM 36338 / HTE 10-388 with conditions. The
motion carried for approval 5-0.
Commissioner De Luna moved and Commissioner Campbell seconded
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2541, recommending
approval of TPM 36338 / HTE 10-388 with conditions. Motion carried 5-0.
B. Case No. PP 10-302, The Magnon Companies, (DMV) Applicant
Approval of a precise plan of design for a new Department of Motor
Vehicles (DMV) facility, located at 36-400 Technology Drive, north
of Gerald Ford Drive. The proposed building totals 11,280 square
feet on a vacant 2.22 acre site.
Principal Planner Tony Bagato verbally presented his staff report
and PowerPoint presentation. The site is in the north sphere of the
city off of Technology Drive, north of Gerald Ford Drive. The
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building would be over 11,000 square feet and would have two
drives to accommodate both ingress and egress. There would also
be a motorcycle testing area, porte-a-cochere and other amenities
to the facility. The architecture and colors are described as "desert
contemporary". The Architectural Review Committee endorsed the
project as proposed with no changes and with that, staff
recommends approval of the project. Mr. Bagato entertained
questions.
Commission De Luna began by asking about the interior design:
there were circles showing on the design and she wanted to know
what they were. Mr. Bagato said that they represented people
standing in line. She then asked about emergency egress in case
of fire and were there enough exits and any issues. Mr. Bagato
stated that the Fire Marshall looks at safety requirements and had
no issues. Commissioner De Luna continued by asking about the
seating. She noted that the building occupancy limits was nearly
300 people, but there was only seating for 50. She suggested that
some of the empty space in the southeast corner of the building
and even outside could use more chairs or benches to
accommodate more people and prevent them from having to stand
or congregate in groups. Mr. Bagato said he would let the designer
speak to this. Her final question for staff was about the look of the
entrance and could it have more stone around it, making it look
more important. Mr. Bagato stated that he would let the architect
speak to that, but it was his (Mr. Bagato's) opinion that this
particular design wouldn't support stone with the rest of the
building.
Chair Limont asked about covered parking. Mr. Bagato stated that
there was one tree per three spaces per city ordinance and this met
that requirement. Chair Limont stated that she would like to see
more shade in some form for people waiting in the heat. She also
asked if this building had solar panels. Mr. Bagato stated that
presently no solar would be built on it, but it is a LEED-Silver
certified building and that met and exceeded 'green' requirements.
Hearing no other questions, Chair Limont declared the public
hearing open.
Carter Reddish of Carter Group Architects, 1810 S. El Camino
Real, San Clemente, CA approached the podium and answered
Commissioner questions. Doug Magnon of Doug Magnon
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Companies, 4284 Arcada, Palm Springs, CA also was present to
answer questions.
Commissioner De Luna began by thanking the gentlemen for their
dynamic designs, but wanted clarification on the colors. Mr.
Reddish presented the Commissioners with new renderings of the
colors to show them more accurately. Commissioner De Luna, in
the mean time wanted to return to the seating issue. Mr. Reddish
stated that the State regulates state buildings and the DMV has a
fixed program and `formula' for the specifications of the building,
number of seats, placement of windows, etc. He stated that until
the DMV changes their `formula', the items are subject to these
regulations and that is what is drawn. Commissioner De Luna
understood and asked if her request for more stone around the
entry fell under that dictation. Mr. Reddish said no, that they could
look at that. They were very pleased to be able to use color out
here. Commissioner De Luna mentioned that color fades fast here
and would that be kept up? Mr. Reddish said that the State would
be responsible for upkeep of the building and making sure
everything was maintained over time.
Commissioner De Luna wanted to clarify elevation and directions.
She mentioned that on an earlier rendering, the elevation said
south, but was told that it was actually east. Mr. Reddish stated that
there was a discrepancy from the very first rendering, which had
the wrong label listed, to the one they are looking at now and that
this one was correct.
Commissioner De Luna asked about screening of the windows and
could they be set back farther than they are now. Mr. Reddish
reconfirmed that, again, that was up to the DMV specifications, but
that all windows have awnings over them for shade.
Mr. Reddish wanted to inform the Planning Commission that the
State asked that a misting system be installed outside for the
people waiting in the heat.
Commissioner Schmidt asked about the drainage channel behind
the building. Mr. Reddish and Mr. Magnon stated that it was part of
the drainage of the area. Mr. Bagato informed the Commissioners
that this was a CVWD drainage channel that flows throughout the
north part of the valley. Each abutting developed business would be
responsible for developing their portion of the channel. The
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developers of the DMV would be developing their portion of the
channel as required.
Chair Limont wanted to ask about installing solar panels. Mr.
Magnon stated that the building is LEED-Silver certified. The State
will have the option to install solar panels, but that they would
determine at a future date if it were economically feasible
depending on their electric bills. Chair Limont stated that she wasn't
looking at this from a cost standpoint, but more from the standpoint
that this is `Palm Desert-a leader in energy' and she felt that the
State, of all entities, should be leading the way on saving energy.
Mr. Magnon stated that the building is designed to accommodate
solar panels if the DMV later chooses to install them.
Commissioner Schmidt asked one final question of staff if the
Commission had any authority to require solar on this project. Mr.
Bagato stated that the Commission could make it a condition of
approval, but if that became a condition that the Developer/State
could not or would not implement, then that could possibly halt or
'kill' the project. The City Attorney, Jill Tremblay, confirmed that
fact.
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Commissioner De Luna moved and Commissioner Tanner seconded the
motion to approve case PP 10-302 with conditions. The motion carried for
approval 4-1 (Commissioner Limont voting NO).
Commissioner De Luna moved and Commissioner Tanner seconded
adopting Planning Commission Resolution No. 2542, recommending
approval of PP 10-302 with conditions. Motion carried 4-1 (Commissioner
Limont voting NO).
C. Case No. CUP 10-413, West Coast Barber College, Applicant
Approval of a Conditional Use Permit to allow the use of a Barber
College at 74-350 Alessandro Drive, Suite A-1, located in the R-3 (4)
Zone, (Residential Multi-Family).
Mr. Swartz approached the podium to present his staff report and oral
presentation. He began by alerting the Commissioners that a letter was
presented to staff just before the meeting tonight and asked that the
Commissioners take a moment to review it.
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Commissioner De Luna wanted to verify the amount of parking stated
Now in the letter just presented. The letter states that there are 32 parking
stalls, when, in fact there are 33.
Mr. Swartz presented the case: The property is located on Alessandro
Alley, just north of Highway 111. In January of 1990, the Planning
Commission approved a CUP 89-12 for two single-story buildings
totaling over 11,000 square feet. Building A is 5,365 square feet
divided into two suites. Building A Suite A-1 would be West Coast
Barber College. Suite A-2 isn't occupied. Building B is entirely empty at
this time.
The Barber College would have three instructors, one office manager
and one receptionist. Currently there are 25 students enrolled. The
business only allows 4-5 students at any one time for approximately 4-
5 hours. The hours of operation are 9 a.m. -- 6 p.m. Monday through
Wednesday and 9 a.m. — 8 p.m. Friday and Saturday.
The R-3 (4) Zone does allow for a mix of offices, schools and colleges
subject to Conditional Use Permits and adequate parking. There are
eight spaces directly in front of the Barber College. A parking study
showed that there are 26 parking stalls available at most times of the
day for this use. Staff recommends approval. Mr. Swartz offered to
answer questions.
Commissioner De Luna began by asking about the parking. She
clarified by stating that the Barber College has eight stalls to utilize. Mr.
Swartz said that was correct. She stated that there are nine
businesses there. Mr. Swartz said that there are nine suites there, but
they are currently vacant, save one. Commissioner De Luna posited
that should those businesses be filled, they would have at least 2-3
employees each and in that case, how do these eight parking spaces
fit into that plan? Mr. Swartz stated that when there was a dance studio
next door, the parking spaces were utilized, but not all students
(neither the dance studio nor the college) used all of the spaces at
once due to staggered hours.
Commissioners Tanner and Schmidt stated that they would direct their
questions to the Applicant. Commissioner Campbell stated that when
area businesses close for the day, presumably around 5 p.m., then
that means more parking spaces would probably open up since the
Barber College had evening classes.
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Chair Limont needed to clarify about the training stations. She asked
why there were 34 stations when only 4-5 students would be there at a
time. She doesn't want to allow 34 when there aren't that many there "
at this time and get into a situation where over-expansion of the
student population causes parking issues down the road. She also
noticed that the applicant is just now asking for a CUP and did this
mean he was operating a Barber College without authorization up to
this point? Mr. Swartz stated that the applicant applied for a business
license as a barber shop, but Code Enforcement found out that they
were operating as a college and cited them.
Commissioner Schmidt asked staff about the employee:student
parking ratio. She stated that there were five employees/instructors
each with cars. That already takes five of the eight spaces listed. With
this approval, they could operate as a barber shop as well and that
would mean walk-ins would also need parking. Commission De Luna
mentioned that right now, the eight stalls are already `spoken for' but
one day, when other businesses open, they too will need parking
minus the eight stalls. Commissioner Schmidt asked if the operation as
a barber shop AND a barber college simultaneously was allowed under
the city municipal code and that the shop wouldn't need a separate
business license for it. Mr. Swartz stated that was correct.
Chair Limont asked who is responsible for the students; does the State r.
regulate the safety and the licensing? Ms. Aylaian stated that the State
is responsible for the licensure and oversight of any barber college and
the instructors and students.
Chair Limont declared the public hearing open and asked the applicant
to come forward.
Jesus (Jessie) Escamilla, 74157 Portola Pointe Ln., Palm Desert, CA
answered any questions that the Commissioners posed.
Commissioner Schmidt asked about the parking situation and if he
believed that he had adequate parking. Mr. Escamilla stated that at no
time would there be 34 students at once. He assigns each student a
time to come in so that their lessons and times are staggered. He also
mentioned that he assigns each student their own station (one of the
34) to use for classes. He stated that no student would be there for
eight hours. She asked if he schedules about 4-5 students at a time for
no more than 4-5 hours. He stated that was correct. She asked if he
was aware that street parking is not only limited but somewhat
dangerous at this location.
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Mr. Escamilla wasn't aware of that fact and mentioned that he talked
with the landlord about the building and when he heard that there was
a computer school/college there before, he assumed that it would be
the perfect transition for his college to locate there.
Commissioner Tanner asked about hair styling and barbering itself,
and realized that the State is regulating this, but what about the walk-
ins, are they are large part of your revenues, or a smaller part? Mr.
Escamilla stated that walk-ins make up the majority of his revenues at
this time. Commissioner Tanner mentioned that the college is charging
for 1,500 clock-hours of training for a certificate. Commissioner Tanner
wanted to know if most of the students are part-time, since they
probably have other jobs during the day. Mr. Escamilla stated that was
the case. If a walk-in customer walks in while instruction is going on,
would the instructor stop what they were doing and go cut that
customer's hair? Mr. Escamilla said that there would always be an
instructor overseeing what the students were doing and that one of the
other barbers or instructors would go assist the customer.
Commissioner De Luna still needed clarification on the parking. She
wanted to know if the college would ever grow beyond the 34 students.
Mr. Escamilla wasn't sure about that at this time. So many students
rely on financial aid and at this time that is limited. In better times, it
might be a possibility, but right now, he didn't foresee that happening in
the immediate future.
Commissioner De Luna and other Commissioners counted at least
nine or ten parking spaces that would be taken when one counts the
office staff and students. And that number 'over parks' the facility when
considering that walk-ins haven't been counted. Mr. Escamilla stated
that not all of the students would drive. Some would walk or take the
bus.
Commissioner Schmidt asked if the 34 stations that are shown on the
first drawing were in use right now. Mr. Escamilla stated that they are.
She followed up by asking how many people frequent the building
during open hours. Mr. Escamilla stated that earlier in the week and
earlier in the day the top number is around nine. Later in the week after
hours, the number rises to about fifteen.
Commissioner Campbell asked who the students practice on. Mr.
Escamilla stated that they practice on each other, volunteers and even
doll heads.
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Mr. Robert Darmody and Ms. Bernadette Gonzales of 32-200
Cathedral Canyon Dr, Cathedral City, CA both approached the podium
to oppose this permit. Mr. Darmody began by stating that Mr. Escamilla
has been operating his barber college in various places in Palm Desert
(Westfield Mall for example) and operates as a barber college that
accepts tuition in exchange for teaching a trade. He stated that he has
documentation that the college is in name only.
Ms. Gonzales stated that she researched the licensure that one would
receive from this college and none of the credits or hours will transfer
anywhere. She stated that if the Planning Commission wished, she
could provide them with documentation from the State Board regarding
this issue. She stated that she felt that the City and Code Enforcement
should be handling this issue.
Ms. Abbe Flemming of 44836 Santa Ynez, Palm Desert came forward
to speak in opposition to this permit. She said her property is directly to
the north of the building in question and that she was the one who
delivered the letter to staff just prior to the meeting tonight.
She wanted to explain that when the dance studio was there, there
were many students that parked in front of their house and other
nearby houses. When students from the previous college were there,
they also would park and stay late. She can hear people in the parking
lots blaring their car stereos at all hours of the night. She even walked
out to request that the students turn down their radios. She wanted to
reaffirm that there is just not enough parking for this or future
businesses because all parking is scarce along Alessandro Alley.
Ms. Flemming also stated that she was a manicurist for ten years and
she had to have her own license, in order to answer a question one of
the Commissioners had about licensure.
Chair Limont, hearing no other testimony, declared the public hearing
closed.
Chair Limont asked for Commission comments and questions.
Commissioner De Luna asked the City Attorney, Jill Tremblay if the
City is liable or responsible for verifying that applicants have valid
business licenses or credentials. Ms. Tremblay stated that at this time,
this vote is just a recommendation for the approval or denial of the
permit.
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Commissioner Tanner stated that this is just a commission that
recommends. He feels that until Mr. Escamilla can offer some proof or
two documentation necessary stating that he is a bona-fide college, that
Commissioner Tanner's recommendation would be to deny the motion
of approval and not send that to the City Council.
Commissioner Schmidt asked staff about their findings about
credentials and if staff takes the time verify credentials. Mr. Bagato
spoke about this and reminded the Planning Commission that their
denial would be based on lack of parking spaces, not credentials, since
the Planning Commission is tasked with vetting land-use issues. If the
Commission desired to deny this application, they should deny based
on parking (or lack thereof) or land-use.
Ms. Aylaian wanted to address the issue of staff verifying credentials of
applicants. She likened the situation to the Federal, State and Local
governments not overlapping services. There are state entities that are
responsible for credentialing for certain services, and City staff entrusts
that responsibility to the other appropriate agencies. The tax payers
should expect that the appropriate agency fulfills its own responsibility,
and does so correctly. Otherwise there would be overlap and added
expense for doubling, or tripling-up of various verification services if
one governmental agency is obliged to perform the same verifications
as others. The Planning Department and staff are tasked with verifying
land uses and compatibility and not with credentials or license
verification; those tasks are held by other entities.
Recommended Action:
Commissioner Tanner moved and Commissioner De Luna seconded
denying the findings and recommendation as presented by staff, and
direct staff to prepare a resolution of denial based upon the lack of
adequate parking at the site. Motion to deny carried 5-0.
IX. MISCELLANEOUS
A. Case No. CUP 10-106 Cornerstone Church, Applicant
Informational report to the Planning Commission regarding CUP 10-106,
Cornerstone Covenant Church located at 73-605 Dinah Shore Drive.
Mr. Kevin Swartz informed the Planning Commission that the
Cornerstone Church requested a change to their maximum occupancy
rate to be 232 people. Their original application was for fixed-seating;
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however, they recently submitted a requested that included non-fixed
seating. Staff believes that this change is compatible and placed the
condition of approval on the CUP that the maximum number in
attendance in the Sanctuary be no more than 232 people.
There were no questions of staff at this time. Chair Limont stated that
she was disappointed with the situation and strongly suggests that the
code is enforced on this matter.
X. COMMITTEE MEETING UPDATES
A. ART IN PUBLIC PLACES
Commissioner Campbell stated that there is no meeting until
tomorrow and that will be an art walk,along El Paseo.
B. LANDSCAPE BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTtE
Commissioner Limont stated that there was no meeting.
C. PARKS & RECREATION
Commissioner Tanner commented that they will introduce the
original draft suggestions with the "Y" running the pool facility. He
stated that there would also be discussions with Ryan Stendell
about overrunning costs. The City Council has approved a study to
be done on a skate park for potential expansion since it is already ..r
over-used, even after-hours.
D. PROJECT AREA 4 COMMITTEE
Commissioner Schmidt stated that there would have been a
meeting yesterday, but due to Martin Luther King Holiday, it will
meet January 20, 2011 (this Thursday).
XI. COMMENTS
Ms. Aylaian wanted to impress upon the Commissioners that the City of
Palm Desert has an excellent art program and the trained volunteer
docents are always available and willing to take any interested parties on
a FREE tour of our extensive and renowned art exhibits.
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XII. ADJOURNMENT
vow Commissioner Schmidt moved and Commissioner Campbell seconded the
adjournment of the meeting by minute motion. The motion carried 5-0. The
meeting was adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
LAURI AYL , Secretary
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M. CONNOR LIMONT, Chair
Palm Desert Planning Commission
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