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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1999-06-07MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND PALM DESERT REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MONDAY, JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I. CALL TO ORDER Mayor Spiegel convened the meeting at 8:30 a.m. H. ROLL CALL Present: Councilmember Jean M. Benson Mayor Pro-Tempore Buford A. Crites Councilman Jim Ferguson arrived at 8:37 a.m. Councilman Richard S. Kelly Mayor Robert A. Spiegel Also Present: Ramon A. Diaz, City Manager David J. Erwin, City Attorney Sheila R. Gilligan, Director of Community Affairs/City Clerk John M. Wohlmuth, ACM/Director of Administrative Services Carlos L. Ortega, RDA Executive Director Patrick Conlon, Director of Building & Safety Phil Drell, Director of Community Development Paul S. Gibson, Director of Finance Gregg Holtz, Engineering Manager John McLaughlin, Battalion Chief Dan Miller, Chief of Police Luis Espinoza, Finance Operations Manager Dennis Coleman, Redevelopment Finance Manager Linda Russell, Secretary to City Manager Rachelle D. Klassen, Deputy City Clerk III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - A None MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF TILE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * IV. NEW BUSINESS A. CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSED 1999/00 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. KEY: RAD - Ramon A. Diaz RAS - Robert A. Spiegel PSG - Paul S. Gibson BAC - Buford A. Crites PC - Patrick Conlon RSK - Richard S. Kelly JF - Jim Ferguson JW - John Wohlmuth JMB - Jean M. Benson GH - Gregg Holtz SRG - Sheila R. Gilligan KW - Ken Weller JM - John McLaughlin DM - Dan Miller PD - Phil Drell CLO - Carlos L. Ortega DJE - David J. Erwin RDK - Rachelle D. Klassen RAD: The budget process has begun for FY 99/00 budget. The largest amount of money will be spent in the core area for infrastructure that we have since the Palm Valley Channel. With Highway 111 widening, Magnesia Falls connection set forth in the budget, Fred Waring bridge, acquiring the properties on Fred Waring for the ultimate widening from Portola to Deep Canyon, also the cooperative widening of Monterey and taking care of that access will help us ensure that we have good direct access for residents, workers and visitors to the commercial core area. There are certain studies that I would like to be able to undertake next year that is not going to be cost -wise, one of them would be to create committee from the Public Works Department and Community Development Department to have secondary access system on El Paseo which I think is necessary to start planning now. One thing that I think we really need to get a hold of this next year is the Public Safety costs for Police and Fire. The numbers speak for themselves. We have had a 60 percent increase in police costs from 96/97 and another 12 percent increase from 98/99. In the Fire area we are looking at an increase of $600,000. Put that into respective that if we were to increase the fire tax, which we are not advocating at this time, but if we were to increase the fire tax from what it has always been, $48.00, to the max, it would only cover half of the cost of the projected increase. So...I think that in the next year we need to look at certain areas in Fire, besides receiving 100% of the structural fire tax which Council has given me the authority to begin 2 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * a study on, right now we only receive 70%...I would like to, and I will be coming to you on the June 24th meeting, I would like to look into everything we can possibly do in the area. Everything from getting out of the County system, contracting directly with the Department of Forestry, or establishing a multi -agency fire agencies and cove commission as our foundation on that to look at the entire spectrum in this area. Also, in my last news letter, you have an outline in there and you have a requested proposal for the management audit. If Council feels that we should have one, we would have one, that the requested proposal, the draft that you have, would be the first (inaudible). I will be asking that question at the June 24th meeting. Right now we don't have, as far as this budget is concerned today, we don't have the Desert Willow component in it. The reasons for that are also in the newsletter, but that is not really present us with any critical setbacks or anything else. At this time I would like to give it to Paul to go through revenues and expenditures. RAS: Before that I would like to ask Council if they have any questions or remarks. If not, then... PSG: If you could move to page 11, which is a rundown summary. I don't think the run down is (Inaudible) general fund, I have in essence transferred $10,000,000 (inaudible) approved by Council as of June 30th to the year 2010 in order to cover the various projects that we have transferred from RDA over to the fund for the purposes of (inaudible) issues. So that's transferred there. The other issue is that all these fund balances reflect deducting all of the capital improvement projects that have in the past been approved by Council that have not been spent yet. We have two new funds. One is called the "Golf Course Capital Improvement Fund" or "Maintenance Fund" and the other one is the "(inaudible) at Bighorn" (inaudible). Are there any questions. I would notate that overall (inaudible) of all the funds comes out to $155.3 mil vs. total revenues of all (inaudible) $112 mil. The remaining difference comes from (inaudible) capital projects and (inaudible). From there I would like to go to the revenue which is on pages 26 through 27. Overall, the general revenues are up 11 percent over last year's budget - or $2.8 mil. The major increases are sales tax, up 12 percent which is $1.2 mil over last year. The main portion of that is due to the Gardens being on board and (inaudible). TOT is up 14 percent. Franchise is up by $100,000. Motor vehicle is up 10 percent - or $100,000 (inaudible). Developer fees or (inaudible) is actually lower than (inaudible) However they are still going like gang busters (inaudible). The interest rates (inaudible) for future developments. It also factors in the Marriott - new hotels (inaudible). RAS: Wait a minute. I don't want to keep going through this thing and get to the end to ask questions. I think the right way to do it is that if Council has any questions, we ask that at that time. I think (inaudible) if the mall begins to remodel its going to hurt for business and I think we should (inaudible) for those kinds of dollars. If the mall starts to remodel it will hurt the May Company, it's gonna hurt Penny's and...those are the two major sales tax producers. Also, you have $9,000 for bus shelter advertising and I have talked to another person on the Council and we would like to recommend that we not do bus shelter advertising. 3 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: I would (inaudible). RAS: And I didn't even talk to you. BAC: No, you didn't. RAS: My recommendation would be that we give it to Art -in -Public -Places and see what they can do with those bus shelters without the advertising and see if we can dress them up a bit. I'm only talking about $9,000. And the motor vehicle in lieu fee, do we have a guarantee that we're going to get that back when they... PSG: A proposal by both the Governor and (inaudible) that we will still get our 10 percent, that... 25 percent (inaudible). They indicated that next year, the following 2001, they will be giving another 25 percent discount for motor vehicle. RAS: Well, I still question the sales tax. And, also the time share fees are down dramatically $150,000 and I don't know why that happened but maybe there's a good reason. PSG: It's based on the development activity. Pat goes out and does a survey of all the developers to find out what (inaudible). It is typically.... PC: The survey was done in March. And to get ready for these numbers we typically do one in the Fall in the fiscal year to see where we are. Many times developers change their minds and of course the interest rates and sales has a lot to do with it. RAD: Also, there are not conditional provisions for reclassifications. RAS: I understand that. But I think the question now...is the bus shelter ever (inaudible). Are we all in agreement with that? RSK: I am. JF: (inaudible) JW: There's a couple of issues. It's not about the $9,000. We looked at this about three years ago, two years ago. There's two issues: one that we wouldn't have to pick up the cost of the structure itself because those were funded by a federal grant recently purchased from Sunrise Media by SunLine. The advertising (inaudible) offsets the maintenance cost, and the maintenance cost of the bus shelter and they maintain them on a daily basis, is rather expensive. I believe it is about $20 per week per bus shelter and we have $35 in the system. RAS: Do we have a contract with SunLine. 4 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: We have a contract for graffiti removal and (inaudible) I think we could work something out for graffiti removal and bus shelter... JW: The second issue was.... RSK: ...was the fact that they used to do it anyway and (inaudible). RAD: (inaudible) I have been asking for this for a while too. I think with Council's permission, we would like to come back to you with a complete report on it. I would like to see us get out of the advertising business completely. RAS: Are we on a year-to-year contractor, a month -to -month contract? JW: The contract was entered into ten, nine years ago or so. That contract was picked up by SunLine and they have a contract with the advertisement company. RAS: What is our responsibility? JW: Our responsibility is simply we can back out of this contract. RAS: At any time. JW: At any time. SunLine is going to say that taking these bus shelters out of the advertisement pool is going to bring the whole bus shelter system down. RAS: That's...that's their problem. JW: Because the advertisers want Palm Desert as a part of this system. And we said we can afford to maintain the system, maintain the bus shelters, the cost of the construction of the bus shelters is rather expensive, but we can maintain the bus shelters, but they started bringing up that Indio and Cathedral City are going to probably go down because the advertisers want this across the Coachella Valley advertisement as part of their pool. And that is an issue. RSK: I think SunLine has a (inaudible). JW: They want Palm Desert bad. RSK: But I mean, they're going to (inaudible) I didn't see any ranting or raving. RAS: I think if you can get Indian Wells to advertise, we'll advertise. 5 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 RSK: And also, in the meantime, we have a couple of bus shelters that don't have advertising on them already, we could start with Art -in -Public -Places looking into how we can do something with those shelters. RAS: Rather than spend the whole morning, we know that it's month -to -month and so its one of the things we can investigate more (inaudible) look at sales tax. PSG: I'll look at it. However, (inaudible) that I had a (inaudible) 3 percent increase... RAS: I understand. PSG: However, the state is indicating (inaudible). RAD: We will drop the $9,000 revenue from bus shelters. It will be tough, but... PSG: In regards to the General Fund Expenditures... RSK: One quick comment. (Inaudible) we always underestimate (inaudible) RAS: That's correct. I think we're getting a little more realistic I think in this budget. We don't have the luxury of what we've had in the past. I think that maybe on TOT, with the Marriott the new Marriott coming on line, we have a chance of getting a little more than that. So, maybe one will wash the other but we're getting closer to what's its going to really be, I think. PSG: General Fund Expenditures, which starts on page 29. The overall expenses increases (inaudible) an increase of $3.1 mil over last year's budget. This does not factor in there the 17 percent increase in principal. We have factored 7 percent in for principal, however when we told them that our management (inaudible) our rate would be higher, an additional 17 percent higher. That is not factored in there. BAC: So saving money is costing money? PSG: Well, you reduce the pool (inaudible). RAD: They thought they had (inaudible). We're confident that the new vote which would be counted today, the employees would vote... JW: Let me correct. The Management and Council leaving the system did not affect the rates per person. The rates per person were given to us before the Management and Council voted. Those rates were already in affect. So, that hasn't changed. They were going up. Thirty- seven percent irregardless. If Management and Council would have stayed in, it would have been 37 percent of another 40 people. 6 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: So... JW: In fact, that... BAC: So you would have had an even bigger pot to throw (inaudible)? RAD: No, no. There were some folks who had may have had that philosophy, but (inaudible). RAS: I think the important thing to look at on this page is that our overall budget is up $2.84 mil and police and fire are $2.1 mil of the $2.84 mil. So, the dramatic increase is because of something that we're doing (inaudible) police and fire. So if they reduced it (inaudible). PSG: The other thing I think I should mention is that current rate is still factored at the higher rate (inaudible). As John and Ray indicated, (inaudible) additional surplus (inaudible). As far as positions go, until Ray gets his (inaudible) we're asking you for (inaudible) factored in there. BAC: When do we want to chat about that? RAD: On the 24th. Or we can chat about it now if Council wishes to approve it now. RAS: I don't think we're going to approve it now, but we can talk about it now rather than on the 24th. BAC: (Inaudible) RAS: Reason? BAC: Reason...that's what we have sat to do to look at Management. Figure out who's doing what, and how well it's being done and so on and so forth. My enthusiasm is just zero for bringing in somebody else who's going to tell us what we already know and so on and so forth. I see no (inaudible). JMB: I feel the same way. I don't see...I've been through these before. We've had management studies, we've had this study and that study and the other study and... RSK: And every time we get through we pay more money. JMB: We pay more money and everybody is unhappy with their job and they come in and tell them they need an assistant and so we have to reorganize the staff after that. RSK: (Inaudible) the promotion. JMB: We don't accomplish anything. 7 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Don't pussy foot around, Jean. How do you really feel? I don't think we'd get a vote. RAD: As John indicated... JMB: That's what you said. You wanted our opinion. RAD: Well that too, but, I mean, that's what I wanted and if there were some concerns in terms of employees, or... BAC: If we need to do some of that work, than that work ought to be done. That's...that's (inaudible) to figure those issues out and decide what issues need to be looked at and stuff like that. But, in terms of hiring... RAD: No, just management (inaudible)... BAC: I don't think we need to. RAD: (inaudible) RSK: They just come and ask somebody what they think and they write down what they think. RAS: I notice there was a change in Building and Safety and Code Enforcement. There were people moved around kind of thing. PSG: We quickly created a new department to pull out the Code Enforcement. BAC: With that in mind, given that that is now an in-house responsibility, and (inaudible) budget turned around and bring to us any requests or changes in personnel or deletions or additions...in other words from your earlier remark I got the impression that wouldn't happen `til this happened, and now this isn't gonna happen, will staff be bringing to us a white paper or... RAD: Yes. We are bringing to you a request that I had received for additional personnel and new reclassifications and (inaudible) an opportunity to give them appropriate. And we are not creating a new department with Code Enforcement, by the way. PSG: Separating them. RAD: Separating them physically from one to the other. JF: Question...now that we've dismissed the idea of going with a consultant...what was the set of circumstances that gave rise to your belief that we needed a consultant? 8 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: Well...as I indicated in the news letter, because of the new responsibilities and areas of concern we have been going into, as a City, and that... JF: Such as? RAD: Well, the golf courses and the...I'11 have to read my news letter again. What I was trying to indicate there was that if Council felt that we were not operating as effectively or efficiently as we could be, then perhaps having someone coming in from the outside to look at the operation might be beneficial. If you did not feel that way, then fine. But in case that you did, I included a preliminary RFP and if you look at that Request for Proposal...because what I would like to do there are things in there in that Request for Proposal that you believe we should be looking at, in terms of any reorganizations and reclasses and that, then fine, we'll do it. But that's why it was out there. I wasn't pushing for it and I wasn't pushing against it. So...this is one of those ...well whatever it would have been, vote, that we didn't get something that we...we could have gotten it doesn't matter. Because I am quite happy, at least the feeling, I hope you correct me, there is confidence in the way we're doing things. Not that we can't improve, we can always improve. But there is confidence in what we're doing and that's fine. JF: I think rejecting an outside consultant doesn't mean that we can't get more improvement in certain areas. I ... RAD: Oh, I agree. JF: Means we don't bring someone from the outside in, so that's my point of view the way we go. RAD: I believe that's what I just said. It doesn't mean we can't improve. I concur. We can always improve. RAS: I just have one quick comment. We have grown dramatically in the last three or four years. We have taken on (inaudible) departments, we now have got some golf courses, we got 90 million things going on and I think what we're saying as a Council is we have confidence in the leadership of the City, staff leadership of the City so that they can look at it, review it and come back to us to see how they would like to see if we (inaudible) if they need to be. That's all. PSG: (Inaudible) ???: One other quick question. We have a decrease in park maintenance of $113,000. Is that due to going to contract? We suddenly have fewer maintenance fees? BAC: Due to lower cost maintenance... 9 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PSG: I suspect if...it has to do with Proposition 218 when we took over the middle medians as part of our requirement of General Visitors and Special Benefits, that we budgeted this figure on a guesstimate of what it would be and that this is more of what a realistic of what (inaudible) would cost. GH: Another issue could be the lower maintenance requirements on the medians that we have changed over to the desert scape or drought tolerant landscaping also. We do get very good prices on maintenance contracts which is another issue in the overall savings for all the median work. There is a couple of ideas or issues that come into this overall savings. BAC: So when your staff comment on page 29 says "Park Maintenance decreased", you don't really mean Park Maintenance decreased? PSG: Park includes the overall (inaudible) BAC: Park Maintenance cost didn't decrease. Next time around you ought to separate that. JW: It's a combination of both. Actually the Park Maintenance did decrease because we contracted it out. It sounds like the majority of that decrease was actual median maintenance versus park maintenance because we do, as you recall, contract about half of the Civic Center Park, which is the only park that we maintained with our own crews and the cost for our own crews is about one-third higher than the cost of the contract. RSK: Well the amount of park that we're getting and the amount of medians that we're getting, it would be nice to have them separated or see them separately. RAD: I think when we use the term "Park Maintenance decrease" it sounds like the parks are going to (inaudible). RSK: We want to see them separately. RAS: While we're still on that page, back to my question on Code Enforcement and Building & Safety. Building & Safety is decreasing by $255,000, Code Enforcement is increasing by $490,000. As I stated before, this is a difference of $235,000. PSG: A portion of that is due to in this current year you increased the staffing for Building & Safety. That was part of it. The other part of it is (inaudible) rate increase over what the original budget was, (inaudible) the rest of it... RAS: Maybe you could look at it for me and let me know. I brought up the art gallery but I didn't bring up the house (inaudible). BAC: (inaudible) when its all done. 10 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PSG: Where do we go from here? RAS: Wherever you want to go. BAC: How about going to the Budget, then we can get to the white paper stuff when we're on the page that (inaudible). RAS: Alright, so I guess we'll go to... BAC: Page 42. RAS: page 42. There are some questions we have on this page. Let me see if I have something here. JF: Earlier this year we got a memo suggesting the Council was overspending the budget. I went through with our City Clerk item by item costs purely attributable to individual Councilmembers doing things as opposed to other things that got put into our budget. I think our budget is somewhere around $28,000 actual expenditure but when you looked at the five of us and what we actually spent, it came out less than $8,000. And, we talked about that I would like to ask for the next year that the line item in the Council budget be separated so that those (inaudible) that kind of wind up in our budget get cut right out of the miscellaneous category and those expenses that we ask we spend on behalf of the City and community, go on a separate line item. So we can better track our own expenditures. RAS: Is this your (inaudible) Why wait til next year? BAC: What line item are we on? SRG: Local meetings. RAS: Local meetings. $30,000 versus projected this year $40,000 versus adopted $26,000. What Councilman Ferguson is suggesting is that the $40,500 is not what was spent on local meetings. JF: Not at all. In fact, each one of us spent roughly around $1,000 just in dinners and invitations and things that cost money. The Mayor's budget was about twice that because the Mayor is involved in more. Collectively, we are at 25 percent of what that whole budget said and I just think it makes it difficult for us to track what we're spending and it also looks like we're spending four times as much as we actually are. RAS: And we got a note from someone in the room that said "hey, you guys, you better cut back" and so then we all cut back and we didn't do anything for a while. Then, in talking with Councilmember Benson, she suggested we should all have dollars set aside - so much for 11 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Council and Mayor additional. I think there's merit to that. We had discussed it but it didn't come out that way. I don't know why it didn't come out that way, but it didn't come out that way. JMB: I think we decided to wait until budget time to see if it was so close to the end...my thought on that was that if we had a dollar amount we could pick and choose what we wanted to spend it on. If you sign up for something that's $250 and don't show up, that's not out of the rest of the Council's budget, it's out of yours and your short that amount when the time comes and you want to do something. RAD: Sheila, you have some idea on how you want to do this? SRG: Well, first of all. Actually, as of March, and there was a total of $12,324 - and there is a breakdown for Council and the Mayor as at the top of that, which is needed. I don't know... if you got at $12,324.35 at the end of March, do you want to put in $2,225 each and we'll just budget it at that way? RAD: I think what they're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, please, that it's...there's a lot of things in that... SRG: There are. RAD: account that really should be in some other category. If you some idea on how you want to break it down. SRG: You take your study session...your Council dinners come out of there, if we buy tables for events where we have a lot of people going, it comes out of there so... RAD: Why don't we get together and come up with something? BAC: If you do that...one other thing to do would be, I know Bob has done what I consider exceptional service in terms of going to every (inaudible) ... RAS: (Inaudible) BAC: you're out there celebrating with somebody. If we had a separate amount for the Mayor that's a lot higher, we ought to be able to transfer money out of that account to Jean's account, or Dick's account when you're representing for the Mayor, or something like that. I know that if I'm Mayor next year, I will not go to as many things as Bob did, other people will go to those things. That should not come out of Jim's... somehow we need to be able to wiggle that money around so that (inaudible). RSK: Is it really a big problem or are we making a mountain out of a mole hill? 12 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: I think we're making a mountain out of a mole hill. This has been brought up to Council (inaudible). RSK: I've been around here for about 17 years and I never knew... RAS: Well, in the four or five years I've been here, I've only been questioned once and that was this year on the money that we spent. And so, consequently, if its a concern of staff, then we ought to take a look at it. RSK: Why don't (inaudible) SRG: We budgeted more money, obviously, this year. I think we also had the 25th Anniversary, a lot of stuff going on, people went to more things. You don't think so? JF: I would very simply like, a separate line item for Council expenses versus Council -related expenses. RSK: How are you going to do that without going into all this (inaudible). RAD: We'll put down to come back on that. RAS: Okay. And when we buy a table for the United Way it shouldn't be in there at all. Of course everybody goes to that. RAD: I would suggested that perhaps we put that in Outside Agency. Well, lets come back to you. JF: What is "Local Meetings". It went from $26,000 in '98 to $40,500? SRG: That's it. That's what we were just talking about. JF: Did we really spend $40,000 this year? SRG: Not yet. We've got two weeks. RAD: Not yet. You got two weeks, that's right. RAS: Alright. Are we all copacetic with Council? Our raise is in there, right? BAC: It's there. RAS: Okay, good. RSK: I was going to complain about the salary. 13 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JMB: I thought we were going to get one when we went Charter City. SRG: You can. RAD: You can. RAS: You can. ??? You moved last year, you moved out of (inaudible). JMB: That was last year. ??? I'll be happy to give you a salary. RAS: There's an election next year. If you're going to do it you better do it right now, if you're going to do it. No. You've got one vote, Jean. JMB: We were going to do it before and we didn't. Everybody said it was the wrong year. If its going to be any year, its gotta be this year. JF: The reason that we pulled the (inaudible) don't they tally the retirement based on what your compensation is before (inaudible). RAS: Yes. RSK: (Inaudible). Before we do anything, I'm in favor of putting (inaudible) salary. RAD: The reason why we pulled it in there is because it's easier for us accounting wise to write one check instead of two. JF: Sheila, didn't you do a survey of compensation? Where are we at for the other eight cities? SRG: By comparison...I would have to go look. But as I recall, it was low. RAD: I would like you to look not only at the other cities, but lets go beyond that. You can compare me to other people at (inaudible) cities then... RAS: Okay. Community Affairs/City Clerk. We're going to vote in closed session. JMB: We'll do it in August when nobody's here. SRG: I have a question, Jim. Under the Charter City, do they have to wait a year like they do under state code? 14 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: No. JF: I don't think so. But we do have pass resolution exercising our authority under the charter. JMB: No we don't. I remember Dave said we didn't have to do that. RAD: Make that all part of the report. Not only what the numbers are but if you wanna do something with the number, what to do. RAS: City Clerk. Conference, Seminars and Workshops $7,500 versus $6,000. SRG: Got more people going. You've got Rachelle, you've got Pat Scully, Noreen's going to records management seminars now. JF: Do you still want another employee? SRG: I have a white paper in for one, yes. BAC: That will come down... JF: I thought we were going to do white papers as we went through the departments? BAC: No. There aren't any white papers for employees. All that was going to wait until after we decided whether or not (inaudible). RAD: If you want to get another employee, (inaudible). SRG: Okay. JF: Why don't we do it with her department? RSK: Doesn't this show (inaudible). JW: White papers have been prepared. They're sitting in an office waiting for the management audit, yes or no. What I heard after the management audit was "no", is bring back the white papers with management's recommendations. There are about 12 of them in there. JMB: Twelve new employees? JW: Five new employees and (inaudible). RAD: (Inaudible) 15 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: That's what I'm saying. We should all be able to look at them - justification papers and then (Inaudible). As a matter of fact, it would be nice...our budget, or our meeting material for Thursday's Council Meeting is pretty skimpy. Maybe we could do some of that Thursday. RAD: Alright. As I said, you know (inaudible). BAC: Pretty skimpy stuff. Based on my reading of the agenda. RSK: I'm not gonna be there Thursday, but that's okay. My experience is when we get into the evening Council meetings we don't work very hard at it. Everybody gets tired by the end and everybody is wanting to knock off and go home. BAC: Then lets find a meeting time before we leave here today and save ourselves so we can go through that and so forth (inaudible). JMB: And the papers are ready? JW: The papers are ready. There's five new positions and seven reclassifications. We can go through those and if you want them by Thursday we can get them to you. If you want them by next week, we can get them next week. RAS: We can always amend the budget if it... JW: We have to amend the budget irregardless. RAS: Irregardless. Okay, so...if we had this in July we'd be alright. JW: No, no, no. We will have them before July 1st. RSK: But it's not a big deal if we didn't get them before July 1st. JW: Nothing. RSK: There's not anything urgent that we don't do it before July? JW: It simply takes two resolutions to allocate positions but we can do that. RSK: We're not going to get...if we decide to add somebody, (inaudible) we may not be adding anybody. RAD: (Inaudible). Every department would be asking for new positions. RAS: Community Promotions. Did we spend $10,000 on Sister Cities this year? 16 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: That was the dinner. That was the food we paid for. RAS: Not even $15,000 this year and Civic Arts, hasn't said, hasn't given its recommendation? SRG: We're working on that. We'll have that to you. RAS: Whether we should have it or shouldn't have it, or what we're going to do. SRG: Civic Arts wants to have it. Pat and I are putting together the paper and you'll have it at your next meeting. JMB: (Inaudible) Sister Cities program (inaudible) Gisbourne for the money (inaudible). SRG: I think we bumped it up because we got a direction from Council that you want a Sister Cities program. And if we're going to do it, we should have some money in there to do it with. We need...and if we're going to be looking at other Sister Cities, and that might mean traveling at that other city to look at them... so, we just bumped it up for that reason. If we're going to do it, we should put some effort and some money into it. RSK: There is another city interested (inaudible) that's probably in more in line with our city. Its worth investigating. I'm not saying do it or don't do it, but there's some interest there. SRG: And I think some others think there are some cities in Mexico that we might go and investigate. BAC: If we did something in Mexico I think it would be well worth their time (inaudible) to do what they've done there. RAS: Acapulco (inaudible). BAC: Actually, we had a request a few years ago from them. RSK: We don't have to necessarily look at what benefit it is to us, it may be an opportunity to be a benefit to somebody else. RAS: Okay, we're still on Community Promotions. We budgeted $363,000 for other advertising and that's promotions for local events such as North Wing Gallery, Author's Reception, Holiday in the Park and Fourth of July. That seems like a lot of money for other promotions because we're not have a 25th Anniversary. SRG: It's... it's the whole advertising contract. It's up to you. They bumped it 2.8 percent. RAS: So this is Brightside? 17 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: No, the Brightside is next. It's not the News Bureau. It's strictly advertising. It would be JMB: Anything outside. SRG: Right. It should just be the advertising contract. We've always called it "Other Advertising". BAC: It went up $100,000. From $259,000 to $363,000. That's what I'm concerned about. That's why I'm asking. SRG: Yea. Let me check. I've got to check that. When we put the budget together and March Promotion Committee hadn't met to recommend the budget and we yanked a lot of stuff out to get it down and I'm not sure...Do you have the memo, Paul, that I sent you? PSG: Let me see if I have it. BAC: While he's looking let me go to the Community Calendar. SRG: Um hum. BAC: I think that's one of the best expenditures of $55,000 that we could make. There were a nice variety of positive comments about it quality of that. RAS: And it only comes once a year. SRG: Even when we left three days out, we got good comments on the calendar. Do you want me to go get that...the advertising right now? RAS: Well, why don't we do this. Why don't we rather than...why don't we say that you'll send a report out to the Council. SRG: I will. RAS: As to where the money is going to be spent. JMB: The News Bureau. SRG: Now, the News Bureau is right behind it. I don't think...that figure's not right. BAC: By the way. Next year for the Community Calendar, I don't know if they do anything in terms of cost, what...but I had people, as an example the Don (inaudible)'s secretary who is the President at the College. Their community calendar arrives the first week of March. 18 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 SRG: Their's did? BAC: So I don't know what we need to do to fix that. SRG: You need to send it first class mail which will... BAC: Be giant. SRG: Quadruple the cost of mailing it. BAC: Even with that...even with not first class...there is no reason somebody should take two and half months to get a piece of mail. SRG: Well, Bob and I met with the Postmaster not too long ago and he is coming up with ways of fixing that, but... RAS: When you're Mayor you have to have lunch with the Postmaster. RSK: You know, the telephone directories hires people to deliver. What would it cost to hire somebody when we did the calendar when we deliver to all the residents of the City? BAC: Possibly... RSK: Something (inaudible) Post Office. Couldn't we find someone who would hire people and they would deliver them all in one day? RAS: (inaudible). RSK: You might even get a community...a service club to make it a project or something. They could make some money for their club. SRG: It's about...we mailed it for about $3,900 last year. RSK: Thirty-nine hundred dollars. And what do you think first class would be? SRG: I think it would be three times that, at least. Maybe more. RAS: How many residents...how many households? SRG: We mail out 33,000. PSG: They all go to city addresses. 19 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL. AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JIJNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: They just go to residences and businesses. But... PSG: And PO boxes. SRG: And PO boxes, right. RAS: And Jim and I just said we would do it for twelve cents a piece. JW: Well, the Palms to Pines Rotary will do it. SRG: So will Soroptomists. BAC: (inaudible). SRG: Okay, I will. JW: We have the Postmaster in our Rotary now. SRG: Well, I sat with him and he said that there is...there was a problem. He's addressing it and he explained it to both Bob and me and he said that it's working. He said that your delivery person just takes a box, puts it in his truck but its not accountable for whether they've delivered it. He has come up with a system that makes them accountable. RAS: They are getting Brightsides now on a more regular basis. SRG: Right. JF: Two questions. Jean, of course answered one of them, but the $50,000 increase in Special Events, I don't see a $10,000 for Going Low. Where are we at for Going Low? SRG: Well, I think it came to... JF: Going under. JMB: Lower. SRG: It came to Council in closed session as to whether I guess another group of investors had taken it over and the $10,000 is for the rent. JF: (inaudible) SRG: They's still working on it. I think Ray knows better because I haven't heard anything about it. Have you heard anything, Paul? 20 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PSG: I think... SRG: Ray, the Going Low. Are they moving forward with that? DJE: I had been dealing with the attorney for all the investors. We have agreed on what the agreement for extension should say. I've insisted that we have all the investors' signatures before Council signs off. We're waiting for that. RAS: The investors wanted free golf, correct? DJE: No. (Inaudible). JF: Wasn't there a station that was supposed to be broadcasting periodically on how he was doing? SRG: I think it was just hit and miss. RSK: We haven't invested any more than we committed originally, and we don't intend to. But there are folks out there who think still something with it. So, as long as we're not spending any money. We already know what we did. We've more than gotten that amount of money back in advertising. SRG: Well, I think we came to closed session and now Ray made a report that there were new investors and they were going to take it over and move forward... so, should we continue with it, and Council gave us direction to do that. RAD: I think this was our original maximum commitment. SRG: Right. RAD: So all we're doing here...and we're not recommending... JF: I was just curious as to where we were at. RAD: After this Going Low goes out. As far as my recommendation is concerned. RAS: How the investors do, if they want in it, and... SRG: We should try. RSK: We're the ones that are doing it so we have nothing to lose. JF: And the $50,000 increase is Special Events. 21 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: Well, we started the summer concerts and movies earlier, so thats up to $7,500. SpringFest is at $20,000, Fourth of July we're funding for $30,000 and Veteran's Day we've added for $7,000. RSK: How much do you have for Veteran's Day? SRG: Seven thousand. RSK: Is that going to get us our flag? SRG: The banners on El Paseo are about $3,000. And when we replace those. Weren't we just talking about El Paseo because that's about the only place... so, I think the $7,000 is enough. RAS: We should try and get a band, if we go to the Marines right now and say we wanted them for Veteran's Day, there's a chance we might get them. RSK: We're not going for something big like that. We're going... SRG: They won't doing it on a military holiday. RSK: (inaudible) something in the morning. Not some big deal but an invitation to coffee and donuts and something by the Peace Memorial, a blessing and a veteran there. But the big thing would be that we would get a set of flags for El Paseo so for Veteran's Day and Memorial Day and things like that we can put flags up on El Paseo. That's it. That's all. RAS: Alright. SRG: And Bob, we.. RSK: Palm Springs can relax. We won't be competing with them. SRG: Bob, in response to getting the Marine Corp band here. They won't do it on a military holiday or any holiday like that. We'll find somebody else. RAS: Okay. RSK: And El Paseo thinks its great. RAS: Bright Side. BAC: Are we still doing Bright Side as a quarterly newsletter. RSK: No, it's twice a year. 22 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: No, it's monthly. But I have a question. The Promotion Committee, we're trying to save money in that area, that we could not put out an edition a month over the summer and cut out August and September. But I think we've got Million Dollar Days and all kinds of stuff going on so... BAC: The last thing we need to do is to tell the people that stay during the summer that they're not worth a newsletter. JMB: I think there would be a six week period instead of every month. It was going to be every six weeks and then another one. I guess I was the one who brought it up there because I get it one month and its two weeks and I get the next one. It's like we're getting them so fast that in the Summer time...to mail out 33,000 there's not that many people around to me, it didn't seem like it. JF: The four-color format. Is that the one you used for the utility deregulation newsletter? SRG: Yes, we did. RAS: My recommendation is to leave it like it is. SRG: We are going to be doing a special edition of Bright Side. We're looking to doing a special edition of the Bright Side over the summer for the Y2K. That's not in here but we'll come back. We're looking to see if there is a necessity for it and is there is, we're going to put one out - Public Safety. No, okay, that's fine. Thank you. RAS: Civic Arts Committee. The various schools in Palm Desert and having the competition and the winner choir in that school would then be given a stipend from the City and they would then represent the City at the Art -and -Public -Places and...here and other major to-dos like maybe in the park. They would take it over. Rather than trying to take care of the entire valley. SRG: Well, we're paying $14,000 right now for 11 Palm Desert students. They think that's a concern - the Civic Arts Committee. I think the most we've had on the choir this year was 37 children. When Darlene was doing it was 96 to 97 kids. We started this in 1983 to fill a void at the schools. There were no art and music programs as a result of Prop 13. That isn't the case anymore. There are art and music teachers at every school. Peggy Stein sits on a subcommittee, she's the former principal at Gerald Ford School. She said that kids are inundated with extracurricular activities. They have bands, they have choirs. So it was her recommendation that we come up with some way of augmenting, whoever wins the contest, augmenting their program at the school and getting a competition going like we have with the Student Art and Essay Contest. There's great competition amongst the schools in Palm Desert. 23 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: What do the schools say about that? SRG: We're going to them. Before we go to Civic Arts. And it goes to Civic Arts a week from today for Folk Committee review. RAS: Okay. Visitor's Information Bureau. In here we've got the cost of goods sold, but I don't see any goods sold. SRG: And we've asked that because it doesn't offset our budget, but the money doesn't come back into the budget, right? PSG: The revenue shows on the general revenue. RAS: Yes, but I think that we would all like to see how well its doing. How much is shortage, how much is being sold. SRG: We're keeping the Visitor's Center open on Sundays right now for anywhere from 12 and 20 people. One employee works from 10:00 until 2:00 on Sunday. I think the highest we've had lately is 27. RAS: Your recommendation is that we close between July and August on Sunday? SRG: Yea, probably. RAS: They'll stay open on Saturdays as we did last year. SRG: We are coming out with an ad campaign to promote the goods that we have at the Visitor's Center that is coming out of the advertising budget. Letting the people know that we have them. RAS: And they're part of Million Dollar Days (inaudible). City Manager. Legislative Advocacy. City Attorney. Legal Special Services. Administrative Services. We're cutting a person out. PSG: Well we've moved it to Lisa's budget. RAS: Any questions on Administrative Services? Human Resources. BAC: (Inaudible). I know its not much money, but I'm curious. What are we spending $6,000 on the Dale Carnagie training for? JW: We just spent it. RSK: That's for you. 24 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JW: So you won't have to ask when (inaudible). The $6,000 was spent last year for the people we sent there. We basically have a training budget and... JMB: (inaudible). JW: No. BAC: What is...Dale Carnagie is, you know, how to win friends and swindle people, public speaking stuff. So what are we sending people to do there? JW: They have a number of courses. They have management courses, they have public speaking courses, they have (inaudible) courses. And depending on the needs of the department heads, we've been tailoring their needs to the courses that are offered. RAS: We had about, I guess, eight or nine employees who participated in a public speaking program and it was, I don't know how many nights, maybe you could remind me. JW: Thirteen. RAS: Thirteen nights that they gave of their time to learn how to better talk to people and make presentations. I went to their graduation exercise and they were all given an award and I congratulated them. For them to give that many nights of their time. It looked like a pretty good course. They all got up and spoke and I was very proud of each one. I think it was money well spent. JW: We spend approximately $20,000 on City-wide training projected this year. On all training. That includes from ... RAS: Is $7,500 enough for the year as far as the employees? JW: That's what I believe we spent last year. And last year everybody was pleased with that. RAS: (Inaudible) a little gift at the holiday party. The year-end party for the employees. Did they transfer funds from the year-end celebration? That wasn't there last year it was someplace else. That's how I found (inaudible). Risk Management. BAC: What is the "Security Signal Devices" for city hall? I would assume a telephone is such an item. JW: Our security system in Risk Management budget. I believe it's the Protection One system. BAC: Which is? 25 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JMB: The doors? JW: No. BAC: These are security signal devices. RAS: You were budgeting $20,000 for employee safety. I don't know what that is. PSG: We're spending $30,000 to $35,000 a year for office equipment for two people. We're spending $55,000 on office equipment this year. Unless its one of those things where it's (inaudible) equipment (inaudible). BAC: Where is signal devices in all this? PSG: The $55,000 is broken out by $40,000 for our telephone system and updating software so it's Y2K compliant. JMB: (Inaudible) Public Safety to put more of the screens that they have just one place in the park (inaudible). SRG: I think that's coming out of the CalCops money. Can I back up to one that I forgot to bring up, because Buford will kill me. The low watt radio station - the Promotion Committee is recommending that we drop it. It doesn't have a wide range. We can't get it any wider and we don't think anybody is listening. We're going to turn the money around and put it with Katie Barrows and do an eco-tourism campaign. Katie came to Promotion Committee. She's got a brochure. She needs assistance with it so we were going to dump it and put the emphasis there. We're spending $9,600 a year for the low watt radio and we don't think it's effective. RSK: I don't either. BAC: I agree. SRG: Four (inaudible). Okay. RAS: Environmental Conversation. RAD: Do you want to return to Risk Management unless you want to give them a chance to breathe. RAS: There's the Shopper Hopper. Now we're going to $165,000 versus $112,000. JMB: We added some months during mid -year last time. 26 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JW: We added all summer long and we have two full-time during the season. JMB: Right. Which I see more and more people riding. BAC: (Inaudible) to survive. In comparison to the Maytag repairman, it's not the loneliest job in the world. Driving the Shopper Hopper must be. What is the data on that this year? JW: The ridership is substantially up this year. I can get you those numbers. JMB: I see two instead of one (inaudible). JW: The ridership is up. I couldn't tell you what the ridership in the summer is. Last year we stopped it in May and started it again in July. This summer we're going to have the full summer experience - good or bad. And we can evaluate it after the summer. BAC: We ought to at least advertise it for the homes... JW: Actually, we do have a lot of summer residences that use it. RSK: There are the same number of shopper hopper as there was up on there on the trails. It's one of those things that we should have regardless of if there's only one or two. At least we can give back to the number one income that we have to run the City with - the commercial area. RAS: And we can promote it with our Million Dollar Days and everything else. BAC: (Inaudible). RSK: It's fun to do. It's fun to just get on it and ride around on it. RAS: And Ranger Bob is getting an increase of $15,000. BAC: What? RAS: Ranger Bob. The BLM Ranger. JW: The contract we have with BLM is still...it's $7,000. The, I believe, the additional money is for a kiosk that we attempted to going in with the State Park Service and BLM in doing that kiosk for service at the Visitor's Center so it can be an information kiosk when the BLM Visitor's Center is not open. We've been trying to get this underway. It has maps of the recreation areas and has information there. BAC: The kiosk has all of our parks information on it. It lists our shopping areas and our events and about Palm Desert, golf cart lanes, etc. 27 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Any other questions on the Environmental Conservation? JMB: Yes. On the kiosk, if it lists the shopping and parks and all that, (inaudible). RAS: Okay. JW: The kiosk was designed with three different - the City the parks and the Santa Rosa. So it will have the Living Desert, the Marriott, it will have our information on one-third of it. RAS: Can we go back to Risk Management now? We questioned $20,000 for employee safety and $55,000 versus $35,000 for office equipment. KW: Okay, office equipment and repair schedule. There is an upgrade to our telephone system. When we originally purchased it, it was Release 3. They are not at Release 12. We would like to upgrade our telephone system to make it Y2K compliant and add some features. RAS: Now, this is for all the phones? KW: Yes it is. This is main switch. RAS: This isn't really Risk Management, then it's general telephones. KW: I get stuck with it. JF: Irrespective of the amount that is being spent, can you explain what goes into that entire line item? What are you responsible for on that line item? KW: Under repair and maintenance? JF: (Inaudible). KW: I have telephones, regular telephones. The cellular telephones, the radio system through most of Public Works and Building Department. KW: This says RM Office Equipment. KW: Repair and Maintenance. JF: Okay. KW: The security signal devices at the park over there for through the Sheriff's Department. JF: And it goes about $30,000 to $35,000 a year. 28 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * KW: Well, we had to have...last year we added I believe $9,000 at mid -year budget. So it just reflects that increase that gets put in there for capital expenses for maintenance or repair items. JF: And the employee safety - $5,000? KW: The employee safety program is a program that we have in (inaudible) white paper on a program we're looking at for reducing the amount of worker's compensation claims we have. I don't have that piece of paper in front of me. I think we spent $301,000 over the last years on workmen's compensation claims. See, many programs are pretty reliable, we have a program where we would (inaudible) something like the rideshare program. A dollar amount would be given out and people can redeem credits for shirts, jackets, things like that with the Palm Desert logo on it. As employees (inaudible). I think $20,000 is well spent in trying to reduce that $300,000, or at least the amount that we have every year. RAD: If the employees don't earn credits, then we don't spend the $20,000. KW: That's correct. RAS: Well it looks like it goes...it's $116,000, '98 $152,000 and '99 $18,000. So this year should be $205,000. KW: Right. RAD: And carpal tunnel is a very big one. KW: I think what we're trying to do is raise the awareness. A lot of the things that we have been having in the past seems to be issues that people are not really taking the time and (inaudible) that level of safety that we're trying to promote. (Inaudible). BAC: (Inaudible). RAD: If it doesn't work, one of two things could happen. One, we don't spend the money. And two, if we're right and it doesn't work, then we'll have more injuries and we'll pay for it there. But we'll spend less here. It's a way, perhaps, and yea, it's making known the obvious, but we do that a lot. Virtually, not only in City Hall, but everything we do to make known the obvious. It's to get people to think a little bit like - don't smoke in bed. JMB: Don't smoke. RAD: Don't smoke period. KW: We just got our bill for the JPIA. 29 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: How many safety programs over the years improved (inaudible)? Bring their awareness up and on accident... JF: I guess, is this a safety program or this a (inaudible) for people not filing claims? KW: It is based upon safety performance. Safety performance and nothing else. RAD: We have radar to take care of things like that. RAS: Did we finish with Environmental Conservation? Now we go on to finance. RSK: Well, and I don't know whether to question (inaudible) or we deal with Waste Management. I have a pet peeve about hazardous waste and how to get rid of it. And the fact that we don't really have a good system in the City of Palm Desert, where if somebody has some hazardous waste they can take it somewhere and get rid of it. RAS: Are you talking about paint and oil? RSK: Paint, and...we have something for oil, but paint and abrasives or any of those kinds of things that you're not supposed to put in your trash. We have a once a year type of thing and if you happen to be out of town that day, well then...which I was this year...there ought to be some system our City should be able to provide a way for people to get rid of hazardous waste. Then maybe they wouldn't flush it down their toilet. RAS: Wasn't Lisa working on something along those lines? JW: Yeah, last year we got a proposal forward and it ended up being very costly. Which was a neighborhood collection of household hazardous waste. A company would come by and provide you with containers to put the hazardous waste in and then the company would go door-to-door and collect it. It was very, very expensive. RSK: But why not build something like that...expensive like something...or at least once a month that there would be a day that you could go to some location where you could get rid of hazardous waste. RAS: Maybe have a place out here where that you could bring (inaudible). RSK: Or maybe contract in our contract with Waste Management and there would be one day a month where they would have location...one day a month that you could take that stuff and get rid of it. RAS: Okay. 30 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: Can we ask to have that? RAS: We certainly can. I think the Assistant City Manager just made a note on that. Is that correct? JW: Yes. RSK: Does the rest of the Council agree on that? JMB: Good idea. RSK: Or should I just keep flushing it down the toilet. RAS: Okay. Finance. (Inaudible). RAD: We're trying to put the addresses where we're sending them on the (inaudible). RAS: Okay, Independent Audit. Our outside services are going to go from $34,000 to $55,000. RSK: Go through Finance just like that, huh? RAS: Well, there's no questions other than...their salaries have gone up quite a bit. By $35,000 and they're going to spend $3,800 more on postage. RSK: Seems like we ought to figure out something (inaudible). RAS: Okay. Anything you want to talk about? No. Okay. Anybody else? Independent Audit. There we've gone up (inaudible) I guess it was outside audits. And there was $10,000 of special audits. So, now you've got (inaudible) so now you're about even. Is that what happened? PSG: Well, some of it has to do with some of the special audits we asked to perform - there were two key audits. They're all rolled into that one account. RAS: Okay. General Services. This is for CVAG and SCAG? PSG: That's where the dues are, yes. RAS: And they're...you're only requesting $60,000 and we budgeted $118,000 for last year...or projected, projected. We budgeted for $60,000 last year and the actual last year was $118,000. PSG: Where are you reading this? 31 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: I'm reading this on professional other. PSG: That one varies year to year. Year to year. It mainly has to deal with self -tax audits that MRP does for us. Depending on what they find... RAS: The more money they get the more money it costs. For the more money we get. PSG: Right. We budget what we figure the normal is (inaudible) get more revenue then (inaudible). RAS: Data Processing. Any questions? Unemployment Insurance. (Inaudible) Interfund Transfers Out. PSG: That represents your fire and library transfer to the two funds. RAS: Where we figured out (inaudible). PSG: This is the difference of what those revenues are. RAS: Anybody have any questions? BAC: On the Library. How are we doing in terms of standing library hours in terms of getting (inaudible) back in with the College, etc. RAS: I think there was one meeting that I couldn't attend because (inaudible). JMB: Sheila might know, she sent the letters...requested to (inaudible). Letters you sent to Dr. (Inaudible) regarding the hours of the Library. SRG: Oh, Library. I don't know that we've heard anything back from them. RAS: And where we stand on expanding our hours. SRG: I think it's all hinging on.... BAC: What I'd like to see us keep (inaudible). RAS: Well, we're closed on Thursdays I think. BAC: We're closed when they're open and they're open when we're closed (inaudible). RAS: How much more would it cost us to be open on Thursdays? 32 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 SRG: I don't know. RAD: We're talking about the College portion (inaudible). BAC Yeah, you can't get in to it. RAD: Right. Are we talking...do you just want the stacks open, not necessarily other computers and that, that as long as their stacks were open? BAC: What we need to do is to try...the idea was to get all these people in one room and do what we were always proposing to do which was we would still have a joint library. Not two libraries under one roof. RSK: Are they closed on Saturdays, and we're open on Saturday? RAS: We're closed on Sunday. We're open on Saturday. BAC: It does close for a month at Christmas holidays, vice versa. My personal (inaudible) is at some point I think what we may very well want to look for is to have a single administrator in charge of that library. RAS: So that it's City administrator. BAC: Not a City but a library...no, not a college person. But a...whoever, Gary Christmas, or whoever that company is...something like that to administer the whole darn package to make it work. RAS: To piggy back to what you just said, I...but your point is well taken. But I would like to see us go the extra step and be open seven days a week and go to the College and say what we're planning. And so I would like to recommend that we ask that and take a look at what additional expenses there would be to be open on Thursdays. And... BAC: Well, I would like to ask the Mayor to call the college. The college is doing just what we're doing right now. They're getting ready for their next year's budget. RAS: Alright. BAC: The Mayor and perhaps Jean and the City Clerk can sit down and work with the folks over there and say...otherwise we're back another year waiting for everybody to roll through another budget cycle. RAS: I think you're absolutely right. I would like very much to be able to go to that meeting with the thought that we would be open seven days a week. Is everybody in favor of that? 33 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: I'm in favor of being open more. RAD: When I was still in the library business, one of the critical issues that always came up is, of course on a college a student's time and that, but more specifically what portions of the college library do you want to see open. All of it...that includes the computers and all the other rooms, or access to the stacks. Because that will make...I think you have to know that. RAS: I think (inaudible). BAC: The students are using the computer. I don't care about that. But all the (inaudible) library could...the reference and all of that stuff. RAS: So, we've got (inaudible) staying open seven days a week and then we (inaudible). Okay. BAC: And again. I would at least approach the issue about putting this thing... seeing if we can get the college to at least begin the process of putting a single (inaudible). RAS: I think we have to look at it. Not this year, but next year, depending on how our revenues come in...the fact that the general fund is transferring out almost a million and a half to the fire district and we have set a very low for the citizens. And I think we have to make them partners in that. Letting them know we're using general fund money to supplement the fire tax. Actually its costing "X" number of dollars versus what they're paying. And, maybe this can be done through the Bright Side to get everybody knowing what's going on. (Inaudible). PSG: Page 19 of the white papers (inaudible). RSK: My...(inaudible) if we have the money and that they...legitimate expenditure of money and could very well operate, you know, if they don't have any fire tax. They have fire departments... RAS: But they also get pretty good property taxes. RSK: If its a matter of people being informed what we're getting, what we're paying, that's one thing. But any implication that they're paying more because they pay taxes anyway just like those other cities. Regardless of where it goes. If it goes to the County, and if we don't get back our share, then thats shame on us, we ought to be in there fighting with the County. RAS: I agree with you. And I'm not suggesting at any point that we've only known about it (inaudible). All I'm suggesting is that we let the citizens be aware. Because God forbid we have a major turn down and all of a sudden here's a place that maybe we can get a couple of dollars back and they will understand it because we told them about it. I'm not talking about next year or the year after. 34 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY NNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: Well, that's kind of a negative publicity the way I think...another problem that goes along with that is do we have a volunteer fireman and we send...they send out those requests to the citizens to donate to the volunteer fireman and they say "I thought we had a fire department". RAS: Well, I know that. RSK: Well, we do have a fire department. And then you try to explain why they got a request to donate money to the volunteer fire department. That's always bugged me. RAS: It's always bugged me, too. (Inaudible). RSK: Because we do pay plenty enough money to have a first class fire department. And it takes people to run it. Paramedic program. Then they get that letter. RAS: With a first class chief. RSK: There's a problem for you chief. JM: Volunteers are, as we consider, part of the community. Like any service club so to speak. That would fundraise. We kind of see it in that area that they give the money back to the community. RSK: Is it worth it? JM: Yea. They do a good service to the community. They respond to some of our support units, like our breathing support unit, our water tenders. Some of the other equipment that we don't staff with paid staff. It's another way for the community to participate in the community and be a part of it. That's the way we see it. All the communities have it. RAS: How much do they raise each year? BAC: No, Dick's questions is not are they worth it, is the fundraising... RAS: How much they raise? JM: I'd have to check on that. The volunteers do handle their own finances so I don't have know the exact amount. But they raise probably around...a rough estimate is around $10,000. RAS: Ten thousand dollars. It's not worth the bad publicity. RSK: No, it's sure not. JM: I can... 35 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: Some people get the idea... JM: I'll get you an exact figure. RAS: Yea. Get us an exact figure and see if we want to eat the $10,000 and not have that go out and see if we can get... BAC: (Inaudible) expense for bus shelters. RAS: When we send out something like in September that says where the money comes from and where the money goes kind of thing, we can include in that a line that says fire...the City through general funds. RSK: Would we do that program where we tell people about the fire and extra paramedics and the things we do over and above the normal fire department. We ought to also show a comparison of (inaudible) Sheriff's officers we have on duty compared to (inaudible) kind of thing so people can see that we have that additional coverage. BAC: If we're going to proceed with the Mayor's idea that we're going to raise the fire tax, be sure to (inaudible). I just want to be sure we send those (inaudible) to Palm Desert Greens who are again thinking about going with the City. (Inaudible). RSK: This will (inaudible) and Del Webb and nobody else. RAS: I'm glad the newspaper isn't represented right now! Moving right along. JF: Now, the tape is rolling, right. PSG: Page 19 of the white pages. JF: Is that under the (inaudible) about $700,000. PSG: Yes. RAS: This is an additional $700,000. PSG: It's included in the (inaudible). BAC: The Cove Commission recommends alternative to... ??? So far we've only taken it to the tax committee. They've given us some input. We're actually revise this issue paper and then a revised copy would be ready this week to take back to tax. So its never gone before the Commission for anything. 36 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: Obviously, some cities are (inaudible) yet. JF: Did we get a medic unit at our Mesa View station and Rancho Mirage? ???: Out of this proposal? JF: Yes. ???: No, this doesn't propose that. What it proposes is putting medic personnel on the engine. JF: Okay. ???: So you may have a paramedic assessment responding. RAD: That was one of the discussions. A number of additional personnel on the engines versus the percentage of calls here. RAS: (Inaudible) go with the engine (inaudible) ???: Paramedics. And the ambulance will respond also. JF: When will this come to Cove? ???: It's kind of up to TAC but I would assume probably no earlier than July. RAD: I would... (inaudible). JW: The TAC has discussed this. There were a couple of issues. One, Indian Wells collects about $120 per year per household, Rancho Mirage about $74 and we collect $48. So there was discussion about how this money was going to...and when the recommendation was going to be before the Cove. I believe it takes about six months. Once its approved to get the staffing. ???: It would take about two months to do the certification process and another six months to get everybody in place. JW: So the TAC is talking about do we want three people or three fire fighters per engine truck and the discussion is that (inaudible) engine trucks...70 percent of the calls are for paramedic service. And they're the first response for a call for service. So that paramedic on that engine truck makes sense but there were some dollar issues we were looking at. RAD: Then there are (inaudible) issues. RSK: Can they beat the paramedic there? 37 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JW: Remember, we have one paramedic per city. Actually... ???: Two in Palm Desert. JW: Two in Palm Desert. RSK: We better have more than they have in Indian Wells. JW: And that engine truck is often times the first to roll. So, a lot of times the engine truck is there before the paramedic, especially in South Palm Desert. JF: So, even though Cove hasn't approved alternative (inaudible), the City hasn't looked at alternative (inaudible), we're budgeting for alternative (inaudible). PSG: We're budgeting for the full funding. BAC: So recommend it. PSG: Yes. RSK: Do it pass recommendation? BAC: No. RSK: Well, then, why are we budgeting for it? RAD: That's the worse case scenario. We have one vote out of three. BAC: Well the issue is...we're not going to spend any of it until we find out what the Cove Commission wants to do. RSK: Now see that's the problem. It's too often that somebody says well, you approved that when you approved the budget. RAD: No. RSK: I've heard that remark more than once. Got you once. Got you twice. RAS: (Inaudible) residents, and the heck with Indian Wells and Rancho Mirage, whatever they do. Because really (inaudible) RSK: Yes it does, but you can't do that. 38 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JW: Yea. This is the Cove Commission. RSK: Because the engines and the paramedics cover the whole three cities. JW: Well, how about this. We have $700,000 at best. We're talking less than $300,000 if its approved on July lst...which it's not going to be because its not going to be before Cove. So... JF: Well, what will we do when Rancho Mirage and Indian Wells comes back and says we've gone through our budget cycle and we didn't tuck away "X" amount of dollars so we can't (inaudible) here? RAD: Well, unless you want to spend $700,000, that's yours. RAS: Bring it back out. ???: It would have been logical to have this done before Cove and then come back to the City before our budget cycle. RAS: But, unfortunately it didn't. RAD: It could have been but we also have another complication in regards to our fire tax in order to pay for it. RAS: I mean, there's a lot of things that are put in our budget but (inaudible). The carry over is going be at and... RSK: The budget is planned, not approved of expenditure, but planned should be a plan that you feel has some confidence in that this is a pretty good plan. And I don't have much enthusiasm about asking anybody (inaudible), myself. So, if I was doing the plan I wouldn't have very much confidence in the (inaudible). RAS: Well, the caveat to that is that if you lose (inaudible) and you're looking for...and you live up the hill and you're looking for a paramedic, he's got to come from the Town Center. ???: Right. RAS: Whereas... RSK: If you're adding a paramedics truck it would make a lot more sense from me. JF: Question. Are we going to have minutes from this budget session so we can highlight Richard's point that just because we put it in the budget, doesn't mean it's approved? 39 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: Yes. JF: It just means we're setting aside money (inaudible) for future (inaudible). RAD: My guarantee (inaudible) this issue... SRG: (inaudible). RAD: John suggested that we can just take it out and put it in later when it's approved. RSK: That's my opinion. RAD: Let's take it out and put it in later. BAC: (Inaudible) whatever we finally approve. RAD: Right. That way... RAS: Well then the whole budget (inaudible). BAC: And then the Mayor (inaudible) almost a million dollars in the budget. JF: $700,000 plus $9,000. RAD: $709,000 (inaudible). JW: That's a lot of money for Council local meetings. RAS: Okay. Outside Agency I guess is the next one. PSG: You have in your white papers a sheet showing those (inaudible). RAS: One of the big ones is Joslyn. (Inaudible) died and is wife wants to continue with the stipend. And I guess there's some relatives or something who would rather have the money for themselves. So as I understand it, there's a (inaudible). BAC: It might be good for Councilmember Kelly...you're concerned about this. RSK: I...nobody reported to me...and I... BAC: That's what I'm saying. I think it might be good if you would be kind enough to meet with the President of the Senior Center for us. 40 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Yes. BAC: Actually get a briefing on this. JF: We...we got one at Cove Commission. JMB: If you can explain it. JUNE 7, 1999 RSK: I'm sure lucky...you know why tell people why I like working on the Council more than working for GTE because I can promote and work on what I want to work on. If I don't like it, I can tell somebody just to stick it. I don't have to tell you. RAS: Yea, the stick it part. SRG: I got it. BAC: Anyhow, there's no money coming for that right now, huh? RAS: That's right. That's why we're budgeting not getting it and that's why Joslyn... RSK: Well this is a disagreement with Joslyn family and the money from Joslyn is in jeopardy. RAS: That's correct. JF: There was a....the money was set up through a will instrument. And there was a will contest and they... the people contesting the will were successful and got the provision funding the Senior Center knocked out. BAC: Oh! JF: So they can keep the...the kids can take the money for themselves. And they won in court. Now there is no more funding for the Senior Center. BAC: So it's not being contested, it's gone, period. RSK: Does that mean we can change the name then, doesn't it? SRG: You should think so. RSK: Well I think we should change the name if they're going to take the money away. Because they didn't build the building. They got their name because they were doing the funding. RAS: Well, we've got the Kelly Cup. 41 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: The Richard Kelly Cup. RAS: The Richard Kelly Cup. RSK: The Jean Benson Child Care Center. JMB: Well, I think that whatever they (inaudible) it's well worth the money to ...we were very fortunate to have (inaudible) and fund it and the services that the center... RSK: They have to buy gas for their Cadillac. RAS: Well, I think we have to because there was a comment over there. Maybe we ought to do something with the lawn bowling. I don't think we want to lose the lawn bowling. RSK: Well I (inaudible) given them the money even if I think it's kind of funny. It's not poor people over there. Those people got more money than I have. RAS: And they're doing a lot of good things. RSK: They're doing good things. I agree. RAD: The lawn bowling... RSK: (inaudible). RAD: No, no, I know I'm ahead because it's only six feet and we were going to recommend it. But the issue with the Senior Center is that we found out last TAC meeting is that they're $48,000 in the red which is why we're going to have a budget on the (inaudible) the lot they own. It's not only $6,000, it's over $48,000. JF: (Inaudible). RSK: I think we ought to help them. BAC: Paul, would you send over to me the Village Counsel (inaudible). PSG: I think the committee right now is waiting for the (inaudible) Commission to finalize that. BAC: Alright. I would like to see that. RAS: While we're looking at outside agencies. There was an article in the newspaper that Indian Wells is going to make the Ford School a...they've talked to somebody in the Navy and they're gonna have a ship that...they're collatorizing with or something. And they're sort of 42 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * taking over for it and we've been giving Ford the same amount of money we give to Carter and Washington, etc. and Lincoln. And we ought to see what they're doing with Ford. Because if they want to fund it then we won't have to. BAC: (inaudible). RAS: Well, Mclntye had talked to the Navy department and there's a ship called the Baja Richard that is going to be a collateral or whatever with the school. And so it looks like now that they're in there stripping (inaudible) looks like they're going to become part of the City, they may be taking a larger responsibility for the success of that school. BAC: So they should pay for the (inaudible) support). RAS: That school gets the same community support as the other schools get. In fact, that school is going to be... BAC: I think most of the kids are from Palm Desert. RAS: No they're not. They're from La Quinta. Most of the kids are from La Quinta. BAC: Then we ought to look at a break down of the student body count. RAS: That could be included in part of this. BAC: And the other part of this is... RSK: I thought a lot of them came from Palm Desert Country Club. BAC: I did too. RAS: They get...No. I was talking to the principal of the Middle School and he was surprised we were doing as much for that school he said only 40 students he got out of a class of I don't know many hundreds, came from... BAC: (inaudible) count of where they come from. RAS: Okay. JF: Two quick ones. First of all. What is the Ranch which we're giving $5,000? RAS: That's what they call a house. PSG: It's (inaudible) there '89. 43 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 ???: The Ranch is a drug and alcohol rehab up in Desert Hot Springs. It's formally known as the "Lost Heads Ranch". But they do a lot of... JMB: Right. JF: And secondly, the $25,000 increase for the McCallum Theatre? RAS: That's the student program. The student summer program. That's their summer foundation program that they have. BAC: The one they copied after the New York. RAS: Yes, that's correct. There's a lot more things that this guy is doing. I can't pronounce his name. SRG: Kajsa. JMB: Kajsa. RAS: Kajsa. And we're helping on that. JF: Okay. And the $100,000 from 98/99, how do we...we have an account (inaudible) that hasn't met for a while. Are we locked into supporting those to the tune of six figures a year now? RSK: Who? RAS: If you want to continue... JMB: Well they come in here every year and (inaudible) and what they're going to do with it. RAS: This isn't a supplement to their operating costs. These are all special programs. BAC: As a matter fact, somewhere that probably ought to be reflected. Because see what it says on the white paper, it says for operational costs. PSG: We didn't have much room to fit... BAC: I know. I understand that. But, but if the same words like "community youth program" or whatever the heck it is, because it sounds like its going in to pay the electricity and... RAS: Exactly. BAC: And so on and so forth. And that's not what we're doing then... 44 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: That's not what we're doing. PSG: (inaudible). RAS: Any other questions on outside agency funding? BAC: RSVP. Is Retired Senior Volunteer Program. RAS: Well, that takes care of Kelly. BAC: Lingered on. RSK: They do a... BAC: That's what I'm asking. Have they found another... PSG: They're operated through the County. They're still doing the volunteer program. RSK: There are a lot of volunteers and do a lot of work. BAC: A year or so ago they were (inaudible) comatose and I wanted to make sure they were...see if they were back up. PSG: I understand. RSK: I don't know if they are or aren't truthfully. PSG: (inaudible) a month ago. RAS: Okay. Police Services. We have one new Sheriff's Lieutenant and that's the only staffing changes, correct? PSG: Under the budget proposed, yes. However JMB: (Inaudible) I would be very much in favor of those (inaudible) along with some of the community groups (inaudible). RSK: What page are we on now? PSG: Page 91. DM Yea, you're referring to the PACT program specifically? 45 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JMB: Yes. DM: I was just approached by Dr. Thompkins just in the last month and a half or so. And this was a program that is highly successful when it was implemented in Chelsey, Massachusetts. And, she's originally from out here and so she sends (inaudible) messages is out here and would like to implement here. The way it happened to come to Palm Desert is she had contacted the DA's office for a good location to try and implement the program. And the DA's office referred her to us because we kind of have a reputation around the county as being very forward -minded and progressive in implementing community policing programs. JMB: (Inaudible) often times when we see something like that is needed here and children are involved and they have to wait to get somebody out here when they need it. RAS: And that's not in our budget? DM: No. BAC: I don't have any...I suspect I'll probably make this a great program, but I sure would like to know more about it than I'm... DM: Well... JMB: She said she would come... DM: Dr. Thompkins will come and give you a presentation and answer all your questions. And to be very honest with you I was initially skeptical about the program until she came...when she first mailed me the stuff. The written...she came and talked to me and answered a lot of questions. BAC: I guess rather than...I'm sure Dr. Thompkins would be valuable to (inaudible) but do we have data that are not from her that evaluate the effectiveness of the program from somebody who is obviously not a proponent of the program. That's what I would like to see. DM: Well. BAC: Somebody who said is independent of her and her supporters. DM: Right. BAC: This program has actually done an x, y, and z and it needs to change to do this or revise this. You know, that kind of thing. JMB: (Inaudible) in Massachusetts. 46 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 DM: Well, yes. I have letters of recommendation from the Captain who was the coordinator in Chelsey, Massachusetts. He may be somewhat bias because he was involved with the program. And it was a joint program that they entered into with the Massachusetts General Hospital and I might be able to get something from them. BAC: But if they were (inaudible) by the President and all this and that there are bound to be people who have gone in and evaluated this thing outside of the people who are part of it and who have said here's what this thing does and that's why we believe in it. That would be useful data to have. RSK: Why everybody isn't doing it? BAC: (inaudible). RSK: How can you have somebody (inaudible) and they have to spend a lot of time if you're not going to run into any of these situations. How do they coordinate that. With all my experience with riding with (inaudible), I never run into those problems. DM: Domestic violence? You've never gone to a domestic... RSK: Domestic violence call where there was any children involved or anything. Is it something when they just ride when you get that call, or how do they do that? DM: They would actually come out and ride two to three days a week. They provide specific training to particular deputies. RSK: It seems to me they would be riding a lot of time and doing nothing. DM: And on top of that, they are available 24 hours a day in the event something comes up. RAD: We can come back with that information. RAS: (inaudible) from Chelsey or any group like that? DM: No. As a matter of fact, she will, as part of the deal...part of the program...she will go out and coordinate with all the other local agencies that deal with child victims to make sure there is no duplication of effort. All they're doing is providing a service that augments and supplements what the existing programs provide. RAD: I think we can leave it the way it is now and we'll bring it back. RAS: We have another question here. 47 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JF: Well, this goes back to (inaudible) we want to set aside a little to take a look at this I think Public Safety ought to evaluate the program along with the lines that Buford is suggesting. I think we ought to here from Shelter from the Storm. In deciding to set aside the money to do it and actually approving it are two separate things. In concept, it sounds like an interesting idea. But for all the discussion we've had lately about what the Public Safety Commission does do, and doesn't do, this is precisely one of the things they should do. RSK: An economical use, that money can be spent for other things in a better way. JF: Right, right. RAS: The other white paper page you got, on page 21, 22, calls for a fiscal year total request of $8,535,000. Does that relate to the $8,362,000 that's in the budget? PSG: There are several items in the budget. DJE: Is this addition or not an addition? It is not an addition. PSG: It is an understanding of where (inaudible). RAS: And page 37, is that the last... PSG: (inaudible) additional. RAS: (Inaudible) DM: For $40,194 and this would bring to you... it's strictly your option, obviously, whether you choose to do it or not. There's a large major narcotics task force that has just been implemented in the valley. It will be housed at the Palm Springs Police Department. The FBI, DEA, state narcotics and multiple agencies in the County...or in the Valley will be involved with it. Indian Wells bought a deputy position and assigned it to the task force. As a result of that, they will get one equal share of asset forfeiture money that's seized. Generally speaking, major violator units tend to generate asset forfeitures. The...I've talked with the task force people of which I sit on the board. They don't need any more investigative personnel. What they need now is support people to support the investigative effort, which is considerably less expensive. But I've got assurances from the board that it would still entitle the City of Palm Desert to one equal share of any asset forfeiture seized. RAD: (Inaudible). JF: Going from FY96/97, proves that revenue went up basically a million and a half dollars and we went up $700,000 and now we're going up another million. Is that a trend that... 48 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * DM: I'm sorry, what page are you on? JF: Page 91. DM: (Inaudible) budget, okay. JF: It seems to be going up a million bucks a year, on average. Is that a trend that is going to continue or these (inaudible) that cause such large increases? DM: Well, most recently, there was a sizable pay raise. But that's a three year contract which you'll see...and it's front loaded. So the majority of that pay raise that is actually coming in this budget year. If the pay raises, which will have minimal impact over the next two years of the budget, some of these prior years by the addition of four additional deputies that you wanted to add to the traffic program, that's added to the cost. RAS: (Inaudible) the mall. DM: Yes. Another is to the open the mall. Those types of things where the contract had been added to to add additional bodies or to add additional programs, that's generated the cost. JF: To put it another way. I guess in the three year period we've increased our budget (inaudible) from $5 mil to $8.3 mil. And I understand the pay raise issue, but the increase is rather alarming. So what you're telling me on the front-end loaded salary increase, next year we should be right around $8.3 or $8.1 when we're having this (inaudible). DM: Yea. Actually I have the breakdown on the increases. BAC: A lot of the fair amount of increases are by our request. RAS: Yes. The year's we've added... BAC: More people to patrol the streets and target in our Grapevine, Haystack, Fairway, (inaudible) but we... DM: In that time period...you... JF: (Inaudible) by two-thirds. RAS: I don't know. Why don't you could maybe, Councilman Ferguson, you could show how many we had five years ago. When I moved here 14 years ago our alarm went off one night. And the police were on their way up to the house but they never got here. The reason he didn't was because there was a fight a some bar and they responded to that because there was only one guy on. I called the police chief and he said I think you better get a gun. Well, I 49 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * don't want to get a gun. So, that was their response. Now we've got more than one guy out there in the evening. But, my question is, and I've talked to you about this (Inaudible). There are currently two assigned to the school. One for the high school and one for the middle school and grade school. And I asked a question when we had a meeting with them, is one enough to take care of the middle school and the grade school? And the answer that came back from the officer doing it was "no". One is not enough. And we looked at that. DM: Well, one is adequate for the high school. The concern is that the middle school level with the middle school and elementary school is that it spreads the guy out so that he's not able to spend his full time at the middle school campus, which obviously would be better. RAS: Which is a tougher age almost than high school today. That's where the kids start getting into it. RAD: Some of its due to an increase (inaudible). RAS: Yea, but that's got nothing to do with my question about the middle school. Let's play with the schools for a minute. I guess we refer to you, you're the head guy. Do you feel that you could use another person for the schools. RSK: Well, we could also use another 10 in the city too. But can we afford another ten? RAS: You didn't hear the question. RSK: The question is I'm paying...I'm counting on your question as a yes. We could use one more, but could we afford one more? Or would they do more good somewhere else than there? RAS: Or can we not afford one more? There's that question too for the schools. The schools are where the problems seem to be existing. RSK: There's a lot of problems out there in the community still. DM: I...okay, thank you. I don't think that it would warrant one full time, one additional full time person. A way that you might best benefit from it would be to have one that was...leave the middle school guy in the middle school and create an additional position that might perform the SRO programs at the elementary schools, maybe a DARE type program at the elementary schools, and possibly do some other crime prevention type functions around the city. Make it a multi -purpose position as opposed to just a singular SRO. We don't...there's not enough generated by the elementary schools to really justify adding an additional body just to service them. But we could certainly use it as part of an additional body. RAS: Can I refer it back to Jean. She (inaudible). 50 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 JF: You have one dedicated person at the Palm Desert Middle School, and nothing else? DM: No. JMB: No, he doesn't. DM: Palm Desert High School we have, and that's (inaudible) and he's there full-time. RAS: A part-time to try to get the message out. DM: Tom Lee is at the Middle School but also in additional the middle school handles the elementary schools. RAS: (Inaudible) BAC: Now, let me go back to the white paper that we were almost... DM: Which one? BAC: This is the... RAS: The $40,000. BAC: The assignment to the narcotics task force. What other valley police departments have...you said Indian Wells has contributed. DM: The Sheriff's Department, Special Investigative Bureau has contributed two bodies. BAC: Okay. DM: The City of Palm Springs has contributed two investigators and a sergeant. BAC: Full-time? DM: It will be...just the nature of that type of a unit it has to be a full-time position. Cathedral City will be adding one on July 1. The City of Indio has indicated that they hope to be able to have one July 1. JF: Now, is this based out of Palm Springs, I'm sorry? DM: Yes. And its primarily, as a result of... BAC: Where the problems are? 51 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 DM: Well, that figures into it. But also where the space is available. And they've gotten approval to do some modification to part of their station which is gonna provide them with enough space that they can house the unit. BAC: And this is not looking at (inaudible) the issues? DM: No. BAC: Looking at it as an example of the kinds of traffic that comes from the boarder through this area. DM: Correct. BAC: And so on and so forth. DM: And actually, you pay for one position that handles the street level narcotics. And he's assigned to (inaudible). The mission of the Palm Springs major narcotics task force is the major violators which is large-scale cocaine, heroine, smugglers, or distributors. The Sheriff's Department, about two or three years ago, made the commitment to declare war on labs. So consequently, what's happened with us as the largest agency in the County, the Sheriff's Department, is all their resources have been committed to meth labs. Which is very obviously a problem, however, there's other major narcotics distributors in the neighborhood. So this is an effort to address those other areas that kind of been set aside, for lack of a better term. BAC: Thank you. RAD: The assets you talked about. About how much money you think you could recoup on that. DM: The way that the...according to the MOU with the task force, the first $250,000 in asset forfeitures will be maintained within the task force as operating expenses. Andy anything above and beyond the $250,000 in asset forfeitures will be equally divided between all the local agencies. One share for one position assigned to the task force, with DEA and FBI not accepting a share of the asset forfeiture. It will be strictly divided by the local agencies. I couldn't really give you an estimate on it, but as an example, the regional narcotics unit down in Orange County, in their first year of operation, seized $18 million. That's in Orange County and there's a lot of money in Orange County, obviously there's a lot of money out here. And this tens to be an untapped resources as these people haven't been work frequently out here. Obviously, there's some potential for some assets. RAS: So this is gonna go back to Public Safety and the schools are going to go back to Public Safety and the gal from Massachusetts will go back to Public Safety. Is that correct? 52 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: And the lieutenant position...that's the other white paper from the Sheriff's Department. RAS: (inaudible). DM: That's in the budget. BAC: Does Public Safety take a look at that? SRG: No. Well, Public Safety hasn't seen any of it. JF: I have a comment, perhaps an observation. Before we get down to spending money, shouldn't these things go through the normal process so we can chat before we occupy the entire top management regarding spending the entire morning that has never been seen by anybody? RAD: That's a very good question and I have a question. Exactly how do we do it? I can have Mr. Drell, for example, put any part of his budget dealing with Parks & Rec to the Parks & Recreation Commission. That does not happen. In some cases, we have committees...no, they look at it but they don't (inaudible) staff -prepared budget. If Council would like, we can put all of the department budgets to their respective commissions. This is what I need to know. Specifically, on the question that was just asked. I recall when we met with the lady from Washington, D.C., that I was told at that time, or at least I thought I was, that we were going to hold in topics going to the Public Safety Commission until we answered the questions on this blueprint for safety, which I have some questions on but I don't know what my role there is. But, whatever. But that's how come these papers are here. If Council would like, we can put through the entire Public Safety budget, fire, police and emergency services, through the Public Safety Commission. I would not recommend it, but we can. RAS: Why? Obviously Public Safety can't say what the raises is going to be because that's negotiated by the Sheriff's Department. RAD: Well. RAS: But when it comes to additional personnel...when it comes to the Park & Rec budget for next year, I believe we...they have seen everything that's on there. And they sign off on it. RAD: If you want to have that...everything go through those commissions? RAS: And Civic Arts. They've signed off on that. SRG: Promotion (inaudible). RAD: We'll be done. 53 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: The rest of them all do that. JMB: He didn't say it will be done, he said it had been done. BAC: The rest of it's already done. Promotion's looked at theirs, Civic Arts has looked at theirs. RAS: Civic Arts has looked at theirs. BAC: Civic Arts looked at theirs. RAS: Art -in -Public -Places. SRG: Looked at theirs. BAC: AIPP. RSK: You're getting geared up to it. BAC: Huh? RSK: I think he's getting geared up to it now. JF: Well, we're talking about a million dollars with just the programs that I've checked off here that haven't gone through anybody. I think Richard's point is real valid. Once it's in the budget, everybody is going to say it's in the budget and we just spent a million dollars, bypassed our committee/commission systems, and things get implemented without a screening that I think it needs to have a dollar value that Richard brought up and other types of things. And I guess I'm just a little curious as to... JMB: Well, if its in the budget...again, going back to what Dick said, it's planned. And then it goes to committee and they don't approve it, then we don't spend it. RAD: Mr. Mayor. I will accept full responsibility. No, no, Mr. Mayor, please. I'll accept full responsibility but please give us some authority then to take it to these commissions and I will do so. This will be done and I apologize to the Council for putting you in this situation. RAS: (inaudible). RAD: It is. SRG: I think there is some confusion about Public Safety and Jean and Jim and I are going to meeting this week and maybe Ray could sit in on it because... 54 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: That would be nice. SRG: I saw a memo from Ray that... RAS: At this point because the budget is coming up. The four items we're talking about would be expedited by Public Safety so we can take a look at it. SRG: We need the fourth one. RAS: Rather than having to go (inaudible) October, November. JF: (Inaudible) a million dollars than what it may be. RAS: (inaudible) JMB: He's recommending it. We've heard it all and it goes to committee. Put the money there and you spend it. RAD: (Inaudible). RAS: So, there are four items that are going to go to Public Safety at their next meeting. SRG: Right. And Danny will have the lady come before Council to make a presentation. RAS: Okay. Public Works Administration. There's one that...(inaudible) drop $100,000 over the projected year and that's professional architecture engineering which is an increase of project estimate to be started and completed this year. That's outside... GH: Outside, yes. And we go to engineering companies that provide design, work for us. Also, you might have land acquisition costs for determining right-of-way and the costs associated with those. RAS: So this is a guess -guesstimate figure? GH: Yes. Some of...based upon past history. But with all of the projects that are coming forward we looked at how much of them could potentially need right-of-way. RAS: Well, let's say that the Town Center comes forward. Will some of that money be used for that? Does anyone have any other questions? JF: Just one. Item D is an decrease of $100,000 and footnote D says this reflects the increase of project. Do you mean decrease of projects? 55 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GH: No. It's actually an increase of $50,000. RSK: Why don't we go down... GH: Oh, we transferred...are you talking about... PSG: We transferred (inaudible) RAS: Okay. Public Works Street Maintenance. JUNE 7, 1999 BAC: I don't think (inaudible) has anything to do with specifically this budget. I showed Ray a week or so ago. CVAG and AQMD and (inaudible) $300,000 out of a pull back every year for EM10 reductions and so on and so forth and then everybody gets to apply for it. There were a whole bunch of proposals. Every proposal received, if not complete, at least partial funding, except for the City of Palm Desert. We received a recommendation by the County, the City and CVAG for zero. RAS: What did we ask for? BAC: We asked for $100,000 but we had no map which was the primary criteria for it and what we proposed to do was put DG on Frank Sinatra for a mile on an unused median but not do anything on the other side, the north side, and when the sand and everything comes. I would like to make sure that we do a better job...I mean we just gave away $75,000 this year. By not putting together a very good proposal. So when I looked at snow fencing and various things in this budget, I go, we just trashed $75,000 from that or from vehicle purchases or something had we put together a good grant application. RSK: (Inaudible) BAC: (Inaudible) RAS: (Inaudible) BAC: I saw a proposals because 1 chair the Energy and Environment at CVAG. I had to admit that I agreed that we had to receive zero because of our application. So, I'm just saying...we need to do a better job. RAS: Well, I happen to...I didn't know about this but its really out of (inaudible) and I'm thinking about the hotels now that we have them down there on Cook and Frank Sinatra. They are beginning to build the new Marriott timeshare facilities, and all of a sudden snow fencing might be an important thing to keep the sand down. As (inaudible) this year, we had a terrible (inaudible). And whatever we can do to mitigate that sand, we should be doing. And that's $5,000 (inaudible) so that's what my question was. 56 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RSK: (inaudible). RAD: (inaudible). I think one of the problems...well not a problem, one of the areas that we have been lacking... JMB: Something in our budget. Snow fences. RAD: One of the areas, and it's not one that (inaudible) hit me between the eyes that one of the areas that maybe we do not do a good a job as we can and is in the entire grants area. Maybe we should be looking at that. This does not mean on the other end applying for everything. Because one of the problems I've seen, we've had in the past, is we start like this. But looking at an organized way of having (inaudible) but I'm not ready to recommend to the committee, but I would like to get staff together. RAS: (inaudible). RAD: But I don't know if we can apply for this grant. BAC: In fact, Palm Springs has had enough money to buy an electric pick-ups, all kinds of stuff like that. RAS: Let's just get back to my question. BAC: I know, I'm just (inaudible). RAS: Okay. I'm with you. RSK: (inaudible) RAS: Snow fence. Sand fence. Ca11 it whatever you want. Would it be beneficial to (inaudible) to stop the (inaudible). RSK: The damage we had on Desert Willow didn't come from off -site. It came from our own stuff and we've (inaudible) and the money we're spending to fix it up. You're right, we ought to be looking at more places like we want a landscape on Frank Sinatra. And when we do that we ought to do some more snow fencing on the north side. RAS: And how about helping out the new Marriott Timeshares. RSK: We'd be over in Rancho Mirage on their side. BAC: It's not on their side. 57 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY NNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: It's not on their side. BAC: That's where the sand comes from. RAS: Nothing comes from (inaudible). BAC: Not much. JW: And they have to mitigate the sand from their project as a part of their grading plan. BAC: No. This is the stuff that (inaudible). RSK: (Inaudible) from across the street. Maybe we ought to just...if something starts to come across there... BAC: Buy it. Just buy the darned fencing and stick it over there. It doesn't benefit the City of Rancho Mirage. RSK: It's their sand though, they're responsible for it. BAC: Actually, it's Cathedral City. JF: Well, are we gonna get that (inaudible) Rancho Mirage Corridor Committee. PD: We can talk about that. If we have items to talk about, we can talk about that. There is some...there is a little bit of movement on potentially developing that parcel. That whole section. BAC: Approximate. PD: Yea. That's....a bunch of Iranian family members who fight each other and apparently there's an action to get development for that project. As there is movement to development property on the north side of Sinatra, opposite... so both of those might be under development and then we will make sure they put up good snow fencing. RSK: That's really gonna be important when they start doing anything over there. We're gonna have to be on them. RAS: Okay. Public Works Park Maintenance. BAC: Decrease in staffing for Park Maintenance Park Department, which is item C. RSK: Is this where that guy went, or the lady went, or whoever. 58 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: This is seven versus ten. We're on page 97. RSK: What happened to 95? I didn't get through on 95. RAS: Do you want to go back to page 95? RSK: (inaudible). RAS: Fifteen versus sixteen. RSK: Or thirteen to seventeen. PSG: Well, some of the (inaudible) positions were due to workers compensation. RSK: (inaudible) Like we have a fleet maintenance coordinator, we're adding a person to be a fleet maintenance coordinator. PSG: That happened during the year. It happened just this year. RSK: It happened already? Did we put money in for it? JW: What happened with the Streets and Park's budget, is that we had a mechanic that we demoted. That mechanic left for Parks and we've been backfilling the streets from Parks so that 15 to 17 is a backfill from the Parks. If you notice the Parks budget, it's gone down to seven. So we've been backfilling the Streets with Park's personnel. Does that make sense? We've been transferring from Parks to Streets. RSK: Why does...then the total should be the same. JW: The total should be, I think, one less. RAS: One less. JW: One less. And then we currently have two that are disabled that are still showing on the Parks but haven't been to work... in one case, ten months, and another case six months. RAS: How long do you have to carry them? JW: July 1st on one and the other is a worker's comp case. So actually we have five working in Parks right now. That's it. BAC: So do these people get the work done? Is that going to be part of the white papers that come wondering our way maybe? 59 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JW: Yes. We've already dealt with that at mid -year. As you recall, we've contracted for the ballfields and the date palms basically phase 3. That contract for phase 3 deals with some of these people. Now we still have two short. The decision, later, is would we want to fill those two disabled employees with City personnel, or do we want to contract more? That will be a part of the white paper. RAS: Okay. JMB: And how does the skateboard park fit into that? JW: The skateboard park I believe is gonna be managed by someone else. Not by our own Parks. RAS: It's the YMCA that I believe is going to be managing that. We're breaking ground on Thursday. JMB: I know that. I mean as far as maintenance. It's in our park. RAS: I believe it's the YMCA. RAD: (Inaudible) RAS: But you going to find out and let everybody know. Where are we now? Did we do Park Maintenance? Alright. Civic Center Park Maintenance. JF: One question. If we have a separate budget for Civic Center Park Maintenance, what comes under just plain old Park Maintenance? PSG: (inaudible) All the medians. BAC: And medians? We need...next year that...that will be different. PSG: Medians you want broken out? BAC: Yea. I don't recreate on those. RSK: (Inaudible). JMB: I don't know. I saw a guy sitting out there on El Paseo with a lounge chair. RAS: Civic Center Park Maintenance - any questions? JF: Didn't we just contract out a bunch of maintenance workers? Shouldn't there be a corresponding decrease? 60 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: No, there's no (inaudible). PSG: Staffing (inaudible). JW: The adopted...the adopted budget in 98/99 was $1.3. The adopted...or the request for 99/00 is $1.1. So there's $200,000 made. RAS: Landscaping Service Division. There's (inaudible). Anybody have any questions about the Landscaping Services Division? Building Operation Maintenance. Anybody have any questions about Building Operating Maintenance? Portola Community Center building. Where is the revenue go for this? JW: Not back into here. It goes into the General... PSG: General (inaudible). RAS: Well, then, it would be good to know what we're taking in versus the cost of $62,000. PSG: Yea. We could (inaudible). JF: (inaudible). RAS: Right. So we could take a look at it. We're looking at $62,600 with the people we've got over there. I bet we're making money over there. PSG: No, we're not. RAS: Who gets to meet there and when and all that kind of stuff. Street Lights - Traffic Safety. That's up some $60,000. JMB: (Inaudible) red light runner program. RAS: Okay. Moving right along. Anybody got any questions about the street light traffic safety? Okay. Street Resurfacing. We're planning on spending $2 million this year and we're only spending $1 million this year? PSG: If you look at the 97/98 (inaudible) you'll see (inaudible) spent two year's worth this year. RAS: Alright. Are there any other streets that need to be done other than the streets you've got listed here? 61 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JF: Back on the street lights. Our adopted budget last year was under $230,000. Our request this year is $340,000 for maintaining them. And the explanation is because the maintaining of additional traffic signal. Do we have that many more traffic signals? GH: Exact number I don't have with me right now. We have added a minimum of three locations. I can get those numbers for you. JF: Just say (inaudible). GH: It is purely increase. RAS: Do we contract that out? GH: Maintenance? Yes, with the County of Riverside. RAS: Maybe you want to take a look at that and let us know where the money is being spent. Okay, the Streets. Are there any other streets that need to be surfaced that aren't in there? On page 108-109. All streets south of Haystack are going to be slurry sealed, huh? GH: Yes, sir. RSK: Who would want to mess with those streets? RAS: Because that's where a lot of us live, you see. BAC: What's that? RAS: Moving right along. Curbs and Gutters. Any questions? Okay. Cross Gutters. Any questions? Tie in Paving. Any questions. Striping. Our striping seems to wear out a lot in this City. I don't know what it is. BAC: (inaudible). RAS: I guess that's probably right. If we cut down on the parking and everywhere. I'm being facetious but I mean (inaudible). Do we do the kind of job that everybody's happy with in striping our streets? JD: We can check the other cities and see what paint they use. RAS: No, no, no. I mean through town. Are we doing the kind of job that we're all happy with in striping our streets? RSK: We do better than most other cities. A lot better. 62 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Okay. BAC: While we're in this whole... RSK: Public Works. BAC: Public Works arena...do we have a budget somewhere in here of annual undergrounding of utility lines budgeted? RAS: Yes. It's a line item somewhere in here I saw it. BAC: I looked for it and I didn't find it. RAS: We didn't spend any money on it last year. JF: I asked for the budget two Council meetings ago. Do we have an annual total and we got a resounding "uh huh" from Carlos and Ray. BAC: You know...while we're doing...I know that cross gutters are an important item for us in this City and everything like that. But I would like to see something in here that's separate line... RSK: You do have a program (inaudible) a it is. BAC: Right. I would like to see what it is, just like we're going to slurry seal everything south of Haystack. This year we're spending X dollars we're going to do this, and so and so, because of developments and they're contributing this and doing this... RAD: (inaudible) and we'll show you where that's going. Pat will bring you up to date. It's City- wide undergrounding (inaudible) a few years ago and bringing it up to date and cost of what they paid and that program (inaudible) is a separate white paper. It's not in here because it costs $50. We'll have it for you. RSK: We at one time did set up...somewhere there is a priority of which one's we'd do and the reasons being and the ones that have the most exposure. JF: Didn't we indicate that we were going to put something together for the newsletter and explain to our residents the undergrounding program, both commercial and residential, how they participate. Do more than nothing. SRG: Right. BAC: That's a great headline! 63 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JF: We do more than nothing. JUNE 7, 1999 RAS: Okay, moving right along. Public Yard. Page 118. Alright. We're getting through (inaudible). Okay. Questions. RSK: Are we gonna get one of those seven -passenger.... GH: With captain seats with stereo. RSK: With captain seats (inaudible) so that my fellow Councilmembers, when I'm driving will have something to hang on to? JMB: Yes. BAC: Yes. CLO: We won't let Richard Folkers take it out. BAC: No. RAS: Okay. We'll get that in a minute. CLO: We'll take Dick Kelly to the Dodge dealer when we buy it. RAS: Storm Water Permit. Projected $15,000 - request $62,500. BAC: We went down. GH: We had to... RAS: I don't know what it is. Building & Safety. You moved the Code Enforcement out and then you moved it back in? JW: No, we just simply created a code division within the Building & Safety Budget. So it's just separated because there are personnel in there. RAS: Now you've got...you're budgeting...no you're not, never mind. Anybody have any questions on Building & Safety. Animal Control. Does anybody have any questions on Animal Control. BAC: Not reflected in here is the request of Animal Control humane traps. JW: We have that in the Code Enforcement Division budget on page 135. 64 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: Okay. So it's in here somewhere? JW: This is the contract we will buy with the City General Fund. RAS: Nuisance Abatement. Demolition. Code Enforcement. That's all brand new. JW: Right. JW: This is a breakout from last year's Building & Safety budget. The traps are capital office equipment. RAS: Planning & Community Development. BAC: And you're voice meters in there? JW: That's correct. You have a white paper that indicates that. RAS: Who left on Planning & Community Development? PD: Danny. What we have over there now is data processing which we now kind of share. RAS: Any questions on Planning? Business Support Center. Any questions on Business Support Center? Hopefully we'll be able to get the (inaudible). Special Revenue Funds. (Inaudible) on page 149. BAC: What about page 146, Traffic Safety. RAS: I don't have a 146. BAC: You don't? RAS: No. I go from 143 to 149. BAC: (inaudible) RAS: Oh my God. Did you do that on purpose. PSG: No. SRG: Hey, Paul. That's why we want an extra person. BAC: Bob, what do you think of the Traffic Safety Fund, Interfund OP TR OUT? 65 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PSG: That (inaudible) general fund for the (inaudible). BAC: Oh. RAS: Now we're back to where I was. Page 148. Alright, any questions on 148? 150...and 151. 152. 154 Fire Services Fund. BAC: (inaudible) Cove Commission (inaudible). PSG: We'll be reducing this by $700,000. RAS: Right. JF: Now the $700,000 though was 15% of the formula of $1.4 spread out over three years. JW: I think the whole think was 1.6. JM: Additional personnel. Closer to 1.4. JW: $1.4 - that included the third fire...and engines. JF: (Inaudible) estimated $650,000 for the first year, $410,000 per year for subsequent years comes to $1.4 million. Our first year, under option 2, would be $300,000 and $700,000. JW: That was phasing them in? JM: Yeah. Phasing them in over a period of time. RAS: Okay. JW: That is alternative two, but PACT has been discussing why do we pay them and where do we pay them. We took the worst case scenario. RAS: That way we always come up looking like a rose. RAD: Best case scenario. SRG: Is this going to Public Safety Commission? RAD: Well, yeah. After Cove. SRG: After Cove. 66 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUKE 7, 1999 JF: Usually Cove will recommend it then it goes back to the Cities for their... SRG: I just didn't know if I should put it on the next agenda. RAS: Okay, Waste Recycling Fees. We only spend $25,000 out of a budget of $100,000. Will that happen again this year? RSK: No, we're going to use that $75,000 from Hazardous Waste. RAS: Okay. Alright. Air Quality Management Fund. We adopted a budget last year of $613,000. PSG: That had to do with the fuel cell project. RAS: City Wide Business Promotion Fund. This comes from COD, is that correct? PSG: Yes. RAS: Okay. That's what we use for our (inaudible). BAC: Why are we assuming it's going down so much? PSG: The $55,000 was two years' worth of accumulation. RAS: Child Care Program. We're not requesting anything. PSG: I did not request anything. This is a new fund that we're creating based on money we're getting from developments. RAS: Oh. This is what Swank gave. PSG: Right. My concern until we have an actual developer fee, resolution or ordinance, I couldn't really put anything here. RAS: Right. We'll look at it next year. Art -in -Public -Places. This year we didn't spend what we budgeted last year, did we? SRG: No. But it's coming. RAS: It's coming. BAC: I need to comment on this. Item...under Changes, Item B...I was hoping we would come to these various (inaudible) white papers that we really look at what we need to do to make Item B happen. I don't care how it gets done, whether its inside, outside. But we've got stuff 67 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: BAC: SRG: BAC: SRG: BAC: RAS: BAC: RAS: BAC: SRG: RAS: PSG: JF: PSG: RAS: that's going down hill rapidly. We've talked about it and talked about it, and I guess the best one is the easiest example is Desert Dessert. I took students through on a tour, I think a year and a half ago, and found one of the pieces on the ground. I imagine it's still in the office, right. No, I gave it back to John. Now it's disappeared. Really? I don't know. I think John has it. The Desert Dessert...a piece had fallen onto the ground and I just happened to pick it up and bring it in one night. That's just an example. We really need to... Yes, we do. To go to work hard on this for a year and if we need to bring this...one person's opinion. If we have to bring a person on board for a year to get ourselves (inaudible) back up. (Inaudible) discussion with the... Yea. New gal... Absolutely. I'm just saying that this is something that needs some attention for Part of that though...can I tell you that Washington School fence we are working.. a curator, Steve Colton, and he is working with us. Washington School fence rotting from the inside. So its...we're working to get it out this summer, get it a much more pleasant color palate and having it back in by the opening of sch Okay. Well, Councilman Ferguson has a question. How about the funds, where financially with the development fees for Art -in -Public -Places? What you see, $150,000 (inaudible) to what the previous years' revenue came in for Art fees. Where do we see that? That's under capital budget, near the bottom. At the bottom. Second from the bottom. a year. .we do have is rotting, is repainted in ool. do we stand 68 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY NNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PSG: And we can also set up a separate fund we can use for the maintenance in the future. RAS: How much are we sitting on? PSG: It's...if...about 900,000. RAS: $900,000. Well, we've got a lot of jobs out. SRG: We do. We've got a lot. RAS: We have mother and child...mother and daughter thing for out there. SRG: We've got the clubhouse, we've got the art and leisure trail, we've got... BAC: A lot of stuff. RAS: Maybe in a couple of months we can get a sheet out so it will say this is what we've got and this is what we've spent. Library fund. Well we've talked about that a little bit. You're requesting $85,000. That may go up based on what we're...what we've talked about being open an additional Thursday. I really got to congratulate what you've done over there with all the special (inaudible) it's terrific. You've really got a lot of good stuff going on over there and you've got a lot of good volunteers and its going in the right direction. Okay. Golf Course Capital Improvement. PSG: This is a new fund that we've created. RAS: I see that. PSG: Coming from the IROC fees. The first year that is going to...1999 projection and that is going to City Council meeting coming up. Basically it has to deal with...we had (inaudible) 84-1 Assessment fees up there. Upon finalization of the map, we will know how much to reapportion out (inaudible). Use these funds to pay off (inaudible). RAS: So this is what IROC paid in? $510,000? PSG: They paid in about $760,000. Next year they were going to be using it also to take care of (inaudible) and the perimeter landscaping (inaudible) RAS: Good. BAC: Where is IROC in terms of where they thought they'd be and where they are? 69 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CLO: I think they're on target. Last time that Jim was here, the president, he said they were already starting to do their planning for their phase 2. They changed their marketing technique. They hired a lot of Marriott people and he said that they think differently because they're selling a different type of product and he (inaudible) a different way of thinking they had more success. The bottom line is he is starting his phase 2 already. BAC: Is that ahead of schedule? CLO: That's about on schedule. Even though he fell behind, they've caught up. RAS: Do you have anything (inaudible). PD: No, I just...rumors. RAD: (inaudible). BAC: I was going to say... PD: No. I originally heard they were slow and then I heard that they were...that this green was very good for (inaudible). (Inaudible) construction site (inaudible). RAS: So, it would be very helpful for me this coming year if you would put out a thing, say once a month, as to what is going on with some of the major projects. For example, where does Ruth's Chris stand. Supposedly they... we don't know. Where does the mall stand? Where does this stand, where does that stand. So that if somebody says, what's going on, I'll have an idea. PD: If there is something going on I'll more than likely let you know. RAS: Not if there's something going on or not. PD: Oh, yea, yea, yea. RAS: Nothing's going on this month. PD: That's what I mean. RAS: Okay. CLO: Whether we (inaudible) or not, certain fees are guaranteed. There is a minimum guarantee. SRG: Is anyone living in them? 70 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 CLO: No one's living on the property. They are at capacity during the holiday weekends and weekends. They're at capacity. PD: The other good news is, that units that don't...they running to get the hotel right now. So they're marketing it and running the hotel (inaudible). RSK: Well, IROC has members all over the country. (Inaudible) use this. It's not like they have to sell them to build them. RAS: It's a matter of use. RSK: It's a matter of usage. All those members out there already. JMB: Well, I wonder how many members are using? BAC: Well, they're on target for their building and so on and so forth. CLO: They starting with (inaudible). RSK: The people who have been there five years might not even be the ones that are staying here. CLO: Exactly. RSK: They might be using the other one. It's not like a normal time share in sales. It's completely different. RAS: Okay. 171. You have some estimated income on...now on the food and beverage and the pro shop, which is...the pro shop is only a little bit more than last year. Beverages have not quite doubled. Did we use, like with other restaurants are doing and other clubhouses, come up with those figures or are we just throwing out a figure? PSG: Ray (inaudible). RAS: Because if we don't do more than $750,000 from October to next July on that clubhouse, include... include (inaudible) . PSG: Right. RAS: In my opinion. And if we don't do more than that in the pro shop, then we shouldn't be in the pro shop business. PSG: (Inaudible) we haven't even met regarding those (inaudible). 71 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Okay. ???: Depending on when our clubhouse opens, we may only have half a year for food and beverages. RAS: Okay. Any questions on Parkview Office Complex income or Desert Willow. SRG: When are we going to get the (inaudible)? PC: They are ordered. They're being installed either this week or next week. SRG: Good. Did we get a file system? PC: It's on its way, yea. RAS: (Inaudible) income of $802,000 and expenses of $488,000. Are we going to make a profit of $314,000 based on the budget. Okay. Desert Willow we're going to have income of $704,000 and expenses of $661,000. Are we going to make $430,000? So we have an $81 million investment where we're making $430,000. We have a $12 million investment where we're making $314,000. CLO: Yes. RAS: Comment. CLO: That's just from the operation side. It doesn't count the land sales on the Agency's ledger and those things. RAS: Alright. I'm being facetious. RSK: Sometimes you have to ignore him. RAS: You do it all the time. What are you talking about. Summary for Special Assessment District. Does anybody really care (inaudible)? PSG: (inaudible)Council action. RAS: All of them? PSG: All of them. RAS: Okay. Then we'll start on page 182, which is the El Paseo Merchants Association. 72 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: Actually, (inaudible) page 231. RAS: Alright, so we don't want to look at them. BAC: I don't care. RSK: I just did. RAS: Okay. Debt Service Assessments. PSG: Those don't really have (inaudible). RAS: (Inaudible) is this the way you want (inaudible). SRG: Sounds good to me. RAS: No, he's asking that we look at every item. BAC: Councilmember Ferguson asked... JF: Are we having a working lunch today? SRG: Yes. PSG: About 11:30 lunch should be arriving. BAC: About four minutes. RAS: Okay. Now, really, to look at this we have to almost look at what we haven't done this year that we budgeted for. There's a heck of a lot of... PD: On page 261, Paul, under Parks & Rec. We got the neighborhood park in twice. We have what it really was going to cost and what we thought it was going to cost. So the second neighborhood park... PSG: That should be gone. RAD: What did it say, $425,000? SRG: $748,849 and left. CLO: Paul, I also need to talk to you, I think there some double budgeting stuff. But we can do that I think within budget twice. 73 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JF: (inaudible) or 748? PD: It's the higher one. $425 was our...long time ago guessing. RAS: If you go to page 309, go back a page, this is the stuff that was supposed to be done this year, now is carried over. 309 shows you the project, and then if you go to 310, you see all the stuff that's been approved, that we haven't done. BAC: (Inaudible) that will get us right on down the road. RAS: And there's some of this stuff that comes off now. Because we've got in there aquatic center that I think we said that we don't want to talk about until the Y gets the money to build it and then we might participate (Inaudible). There's a roller hockey rink in there that we're not going to be doing. JF: (Inaudible) carry over. RAS: I mean there's a lot of stuff that hasn't been over. Maybe, I guess what I'm asking is could somebody take a look at this to see what should come off of there so that we can have a list of what needs to be done? PD: For instance, the President Plaza parking lot, there's probably money left over from the completed budget. Right? PSG: We haven't been told. But we do carry it over. PD: Oh. Alright (inaudible). RAS: We are we going to straighten out San Pablo and 111 for the Gardens? We talked about doing that during the summer. And we were talking about when you were going to be able to turn into Palms to Pines East from 111, and I guess you figured out a way how to turn out of Palms to Pines East from 111, and I think that was last that we had talked about that. There's an awful lot of stuff we have to do and some of it won't be done. So that needs to be brought up to date, along with what we want to do this year. Now I could bring that (inaudible). BAC: I believe we passed at 11:30. Why we don't take a five minute recess or something before we start this next whole darn thing like that. RAS: That's fine with me. BAC: That's three hours straight today and we haven't taken a break. 74 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PD: (Inaudible) on the freeway, is when we had the meeting with Roy was...(inaudible) I'll give you Del Webb, but I'll...if you just take Del Webb and all the good stuff on the freeway, I'll fight you on that. If you're going to take all the revenue producing stuff...the (inaudible) positive with that development. But, if you're willing to take all the stuff... RAS: All the way to the mountains. PD: the meth labs and all that stuff north of Ramon. RAS: They're no good, yea. PD: Then you take the whole thing off. Then he smiled real big and said "be my guest". That's when we stopped the tour. We weren't interested in taking the both good and bad. RSK: (Inaudible) in what we wanted. PD: Well they could argue over what was revenue. RSK: Well it wouldn't do him any good. You got 5,000 people out there that want to annex, but I don't really care anyway. It's not because of that though. There's no way he could (inaudible). He doesn't have to worry about (inaudible). RAS: I have a question about Cathedral City. They're trying to get $5 or $6 million loan from the County. Why can't they get redevelopment money for that? Can't bond for it? CLO: They probably don't have the bonding capacity. JMB: That have everything mortgaged over there. RAS: Mortgaged. CLO: They're probably bonded to their limit at this point. BAC: Well, I think they should use the excess revenue to repeal (inaudible). CLO: No, they're on the (inaudible). That is a city -issued bond. RAS: (Inaudible) CLO: Yea, sure. BAC: As long as they ask. 75 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PD: They're making payments though, right? RAS: If I was the County, I wouldn't lend them a lot of money either. If they can't bond for it. (Inaudible). CLO: At least that's the reason for...you know the planning staff is recommending against the loan because they can't (inaudible) a source of repayment. ???: Those purple street lights do it every time. ???: Who knows what happens when it gets to the big decision makers. JMB: I like (inaudible). BAC: I was gonna say, well Roy (inaudible) ???: The Council had a question on the undergrounding and I wasn't here to answer it. The rule 28 undergrounding we have one program completed and that was the Jensen's undergrounding that we called it. The second program, this is done by a Council Resolution back in 1995, second program that is on the burner with Southern California Edison is the undergrounding here on San Pablo. Which is basically from Fred Waring and going extending south up to Circle K. And that was decided in 1995 to clean up the undergrounding on San Pablo because it's an entrance to our Civic Center Park and COD and those areas. And that is in the works with Edison now as we speak and is budgeted for the year 2000. We will get about $168,000 a year from that we can accrue in our Rule 28 account. RAS: (Inaudible). ??: I'll have updated figures. RAS: (Inaudible) well they're here. RSK: (Inaudible). RAS: (Inaudible). Well, one other thing that I would like to ask Ray, Carlos and Sheila to do for this next year. Sometime between now and say the end of July, list their priorities of what they would like to accomplish. And...because we always say we're not doing this and (inaudible) and give us a chance to take a look at it. And if there is disagreement we need to do that and so on. ???: (inaudible). 76 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Well, yea. We talked about it. We talked about getting together. We talked about they getting together on a regular basis which I think they've already accomplished. But...we talk about those specific items and so (inaudible) July 1st would be a good time to start looking at next year and all the major things that face the (inaudible). I ask that you do that this coming year and get back to us in a couple of months. That will give you plenty of time. Alright, shall we go ahead with the proposed five year Capital Improvement Program? I don't know that we need to spend too much on years 2 through 5, but years 1 through 5 (inaudible). And then go back and take a look at (inaudible). It starts on page 261. RAD: I think Greg has got...is ready on...whichever you want do and what we haven't done. And what we've done. You may want to do first what we haven't done first as it may impact your decision...or our recommendations at this point on what we intend to do. RAS: Okay. So then we go to page... GH: 309. RAS: Ah, 310. GH: Page 309. I was using the map as far as an update on capital improvement programs listed here in page 309. I'm assuming that those are exactly the same. We would like to please start on the left hand side where they list of the name of the project Country Club Drive, Portola Avenue to Cook Street median. This is the landscaping portion of the median. This is not a reconstruction of the median...this is a landscaping project. That is under construction now. The portion from Portola Avenue to Cook Street. Parkwest Landscaping Company is out working on the project as we speak. RAS: Okay. RSK: What street is that on? GH: We're on Country Club. BAC: In front of the Marriott. GH: In front of the Marriott there. RAS: Landscaping. Where they took the trees out. RSK: Everybody thought we destroyed the environment. ???: When do you think that will be done, Greg? 77 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GH: That should be done in July of... RSK: When we first put the first planting in there...and we're going to put palm trees in there. How big are they going to be? GH: The sizes of the plants vary. The trees...oh boy. RSK: I'll tell you. People are all upset about taking the trees out. I hope that they're big enough so that there's some impact when it first goes back in. GH: The trees...we're changing from the Date Palm trees to the fan palms and then other types of trees. Mesquite I believe we're putting in. Those will be the 24 inch box variety. The palm trees, I can't remember the height of them. I think they're like 20 footers though. They're not going to be short, but they're not going to be the 35 to 40 foot height. RSK: I know. But they need to be at least 20 foot. BAC: Are we going (inaudible) going to be putting trees in the dirt in July? GH: Well, they're real close...they've got all of the grass and trees out now. BAC: I know. What we're saying is we're putting stuff in. We couldn't roll the odds any higher on having stuff not survive (inaudible). GH: Well...we.... BAC: We're going against every landscape recommendation that we an find if you (inaudible) dirt in July. GH: Well, actually its from the...from what I understand from talking with are landscape specialists and landscape inspectors and what not, I mean you get your...this is the time of year that they're going to get their maximum growth. If you stick them in the ground in the winter time, they basically set dormant for... BAC: So you do it in February through May. I know...I'm just... RSK: Well, I think the trees... if you put the powder to it... BAC: Palms will be fine. That's not going to change...but the rest of that stuff... RSK: (Inaudible) but the palm trees would make quite a bit of difference. They would be better in the summer if they get them out of the water. And that's what I (inaudible) 78 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GH: The trees and what not would go in... RSK: We need to get those palm trees in as quick as we can. BAC: (Inaudible). RAD: Why don't you have the guy ...the landscape committee. GH: Yea. I'll have Randy and maybe Eric if he's available to talk more about this. They didn't seem to see a real big problem with right now. Late July and August is bad. Real bad. RAS: Okay. Monterey and Country Club. GH: Monterey Avenue at Country Club. That is in design and design is like 90 percent, 95 percent complete. We are working out agreements with the City of Rancho Mirage on the whole Memorandum of Understanding of Agreements, the whole thing right now. We expect that to be under construction in the Summer of this year. 1999. RAS: Well, the plan was to get it started July the 1st and have it done by the end of September so that by the time everybody came back it would be done. Would that be happening? GH: Yea. We are running into some delays with the undergrounding portion. It was supposed to have been awarded to put the conduit in at the last City of Rancho Mirage City Council meeting. They did not have these agreements in place so they postponed that award for two weeks. Which we were not... RAS: They're the lead agency? GH: On the undergrounding portion. We're the lead agency on the street construction. So, we're kind of at their mercy on that because we don't want to start our street improvements until the poles that can be moved are moved... relocated. RAS: Okay. So hopefully that will be done... GH: It looks like only though a two week push back on that. RAD: That's a resident of Palm Desert too. GH: Hovley Lane East median Portola to Cook - next project. That is a landscaping hardscape program. That's what this project is. It's not the land...I'm sorry, it's not the landscaping portion its the hardscape portion. We are on kind of hold because of an overabundance of stamped concrete was installed, shall we say, and that is being revisited and will be removed 79 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * and the landscaping for this for Hovley Lane all the way to Waterway, I believe, is on our CIP programs for this coming year. So... RAD: (Inaudible) medians down and we're gonna jack hammer out.... GH: Jack hammer out the excess amount of stamped concrete and change that probably to a cobble in concrete. RAS: Okay. GH: Following the guidelines set by the Landscape Committee. Joni Drive extension is in design and, again, will be under construction in the summer of 1999. That is the extension between Velie and Avenue 42. RAS: When is completion? GH: Completion also...it's a relatively short piece of work there. It will be completed late - Summer of 1999. RAD: And (inaudible) construction. RAS: Fred Waring Drive and Portola Avenue. GH: Okay, three corners of that intersection are already complete. We have the one corner, the northeast corner yet to do. I have the plans on that. We are preparing to go out to bid again in July. We've got a lot of things coming up in July, I realize. But we will be doing not only this intersection, but also a widening of Portola just north of El Cortez and also San Pablo at the well site we recently put up the wall around the old Palm Desert Modern Services reservoir site. RAS: The monies for all of these has been put aside, is that correct? GH: Yes. Well we have the money set aside for these projects. Fred Waring Drive at College of the Desert. That's a traffic signal project. It is in design now. RAS: Did we sign off on that? BAC: Did we get our money from COD? GH: I don't know, Buford. I would have to get back to you on that. BAC: Okay. Wasn't that sort of the... 80 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: That was one of the questions, I don't know that we approved that. But if its in design we must have. SRG: It was contingent upon COD money. RAD: We went ahead with the design contingent upon receiving the COD money. GH: Finish the design and then put it on hold? RAS: That's right. Monterey Avenue northbound. GH: Monterey Avenue northbound is also in design and we have the City Attorney working on right-of-way issues. RAS: With Walgreen's? GH: No. With the three, or four properties north of San Gorgonio on the east side of Monterey. There are two attorneys there, an insurance agent. Oh, the fourth property we got when they did the remodel...not the remodel but the new construction there. We have the three properties that are in the process of obtaining the additional right-of-way. The City Attorney's office is working on that. Design is...it is still under design. If everything goes okay with the land...or right-of-way acquisitions, we hope to be out to construction in late - Summer on that. Possibly August. RAS: Did we okay that? RAD: I would recommend on that we hold that until next Summer (inaudible) feel like ripping up Monterey in that area. SRG: There is a request on the agenda for next Thursday for the signal at the College of the Desert. BAC: But does it say whether or not we have money from COD? GH: There's money budgeted on this Monterey Avenue widening so I would assume. Cause we working on taking it out to bid but if its going to run over into the November -December... RAS: (Inaudible). GH: Yea. We could put that on hold. RAS: Alright. Highway 74 and 111. GH: We are still in the design with that. Part of that is the driveway into... 81 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Palms to Pines East? GH: Palms to Pines East. Now we had approval of that driveway and but it's an ingress, egress...it's a right turn in right turn out only. It is not an opening in the median. At the last round of comments back from our CalTrans folks indicated one of the comments was that the driveway has not been approved. So we put together the correspondence and whatnot that we've got from CalTrans that did approve the driveway location. We don't think there's gonna be a major... RAS: (Inaudible) a couple of months ago because Dick showed it to me. RSK: See, that's the difficult thing that we need to know about. We talked to the head guy. When we talked to him he said, well give me a specific. We told him just that. We get approval and the next guy...there's a different guy there next time the next piece goes through and he wants it different than what the last guy wanted it. He says give me an example. So if this doesn't go we need to get (inaudible). RAD: (Inaudible). RAS: Are you doing a double lefthand lane from 74 into 111 where it signals now? GH: Yes. For...from northbound Highway 74 to westbound... RAS: Yes. GH: Yes...it's a duel lamp. RAS: So the only thing...we're not doing anything on 111, then, duel lane going north and south? GH: Yes. Well...duel lanes on... RAS: 111. GH: One Eleven, turning, yes, north and south. RAS: North and south. GH: Duel lefts. RAS: That's this summer or when is it? GH: Umm...it would be...we're going to be right in the middle of the season with this. It's not going to go this summer, I'm afraid. 82 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: Next year. GH: We still have issues with the Shell Station. BAC: (Inaudible) make it looks like somebody is really on the ball next year. RAS: That's right. We've got a Mayor that knows what's going on. We have to be realistic. BAC: (Inaudible). RAS: You can send the message. It's one of the things I won't have to go to. Right. Okay. Highway 111, Larkspur to San Marcos. GH: Okay. That one is...the design is complete. We do have the CalTrans permit. We are... JMB: Where is San Marcos? GH: A little street with the...north side of Highway 111... PSG: Is it Texaco? GH: Down by the Texaco Carwash. JMB: I thought San Marcos was at the other end of El Paseo? SRG: No, it's by the China Garden. ???: The quarter carwash. It used to be a carwash. JMB: Where? SRG: The China Garden restaurant on the left side. JMB: Is that San Marcos? GH: Yes. RAS: What are we doing there? GH: We're widening... RAS: San Marcos? 83 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GH: No. That's just the limit. We're widening Highway 111 and then big improvements through the intersection here to be able to increase the capacity and turn movement to the Gardens. RAS: So, we're adding a turn lane? GH: Yes. We put the design engineer on notice that we've got to have this out to bid before the end of July so we can get under way. We will not, however, think we have something like 90 days construction...calendar days construction on that. We will probably not finish up until late -October. RSK: (Inaudible). BAC: Yea. And we need to (inaudible) give that contract...we need to work with (inaudible) in terms of during the day they...I still have bad memories of those yahoos who were relandscaping our backwards shopping center on Highway 111 and had the curbside lane closed for weeks at a time and it would jam traffic up for a mile and a half in Rancho Mirage. We need to figure out if somehow that work can't be done at night or whatever it happens to be, but we had those lanes closed...one or two of those lanes closed during the day. I don't care if it is October or September. RSK: August (inaudible). BAC: Yea. It will be a mess. And they're going to want to do it seven o'clock to four o'clock. So, everytime those people need to use it, is the time they will have it all closed, and then when there is nobody using it, it will all be open again. So, again, we ought to be looking at seeing if we can do this stuff at night. I don't know what... RSK: A lot comes down to good traffic control at either end. Like...off hours at night but then working in the dark is other hazards. But, if you have good traffic control so that you're moving people through there to when the traffic clears. Instead of just closing it up and having the normal signal and nobody around there to help. BAC: I guess what you're hearing is whether its this, or this, or this, or this. We need to really think about what we're going to do to minimize the impact. It was a mess. RSK: Get the Sheriff's Department to help you there. BAC: Yea. RSK: And one of those extra School Resource Officers over there. GH: And they were closing just one lane and had three available. 84 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: (Inaudible). GH: We will try to keep two lanes of traffic, but we're widening... BAC: I know. RSK: We're telling you to do special things to move the traffic. JW: We have an arrangement with the Sheriff for...with the Cove to help...extra duty which is sort of less than we pay an officer so we'll use some of that. It's like $37 an hour. GH: I-10...this is back up to the top. I-10 design...I-10 freeway interchanges entry art and landscaping. I'm really not a hundred precent sure on this one. I think its the landscaping and art that is going to take place on the south...south of the freeway. But at any rate...that is...it's in its preliminary design stages but when our last Landscape Manager left it basically got put on hold and we're waiting for the new Landscape Manager who is supposed to be on board within the next two weeks, for him to pick that project up and go with that. JF: When is that...it's probably off the subject, but when do our (inaudible) get painted? SRG: They are. JF: What color were they painted? ???: Blue. BAC: Blue and gold. ???: Ecru. RAS: Gerald Ford Drive - Portola Avenue to Cook Street. SRG: It's a red clay color, isn't it? GH: That project is on... RAS: On hold? Is there money set aside for that, or not? JW: One of the problems you're sensing is that there's not enough staff... RAS: Yes, I'm (inaudible) on that. 85 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JW: To do all these projects. In fact we had a discussion at the last Executive Management meeting. We'll probably have to call a special Council Meeting Wednesday in July to approve these projects that are going to start in July - end of July. So we have some timing and some staff issues that we need coordinate. We don't have enough staff to coordinate all these projects right now. BAC: (Inaudible). JW: Well, one is part of the white papers, we're going to ask you for more staff. RAD: (Inaudible). JW: Every year we have carry-over projects. Now the carry over projects, instead of having a list of five, you have a list of fifteen and that's going to be the same problem next year as we have a five year capital improvement program. Every one of these things starts to be pushed back. RAD: And perhaps along with the (inaudible) newsletter, we should have on these projects also monthly updates as to exactly where we are. RAS: Gerald Ford Drive, Portola Avenue to Cook Street. We did that. Country Club Drive... BAC: Whoa, whoa, whoa, (inaudible) there's one missing on here, I think. Frank Sinatra medians. That's one that's...that isn't something that should be legitimately on this page? PSG: If it is already being currently worked on. SRG: No. BAC: No it wasn't. This was added... RSK: (Inaudible) the last Landscape meeting. BAC: Anyway, it needs to be put on here. RSK: (Inaudible). ???: We have it on page 260. RSK: They recommended that we not do that and we said yes, we're going to do it. SRG: Right. RAS: We might have to (inaudible). 86 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GH: The map was done in May. RAS: Okay. GH: Country Club Drive, Cook Street to Washington. These are the City crews and our contract crews have been working on those. Again, this is a landscaping retrofit or upgrading of the medians. RAS: (Inaudible) walls and everything else that... GH: No. RAS: Oh, Country Club. I'm sorry. GH: No, this doesn't include any walls. Our contract forces and our City forces...crews have been working on that portion from Cook Street to Whitehawk...beginning of the Whitehawk division. That is pretty much complete. BAC: We've got some...I hate to say it, we've got some trees out there that are...they need to be over at Eisenhower. They are...year's ago they had been mis-tended and everything else. We need to look at some... JW: Is that the bottle tree? BAC: Country Club from Cook on down towards Indian Ridge and that way. Some of those bottle trees there, over half the trunk is dead and so on and so forth. RSK: Well, we're not going to take any more out. BAC: Oh no, no, no. Until we get....I agree with you Rich. I'm just saying...we're done out there. RAD: Well, we're done except for letting (inaudible). GH: The portion from Whitehawk not quite to Cook but where the medians terminate there...I don't remember the name, Paris or something like that. The... we have grass yet in the medians in that stretch. We aren't in any design or anything so this one is basically on hold. RAS: Okay. GH: And then dropping down. Washington Street - Country Club to Whitewater. This is a...the County is the lead agency on this. It's still in design. They're hoping to get it out to bid here soon. And I'm... 87 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: If they don't we're going to play hold on another (inaudible). It's too late. One in each direction. GH: In design...Beacon Hill and Hovley Lane East. Traffic signal project. That one is also in design currently. The design is not complete. I don't know when they plan on going out to bid on that. I would anticipate sometime though within the next two months out to bid on that. Cook Street at Avenue 42. That is also in design. BAC: What is that? GH: That is a traffic sig...we're basically moving Greenway up to Avenue 42 and closing off the old Greenway location. Then we will signalize the intersection of Greenway... BAC: 42. GH: I'm sorry...42. Pull the stop signs out. Also a portion of it is to install medians, or continue the median from on Cook Street from Hovley to approximately... BAC: (Inaudible)? GH: Not quite that far south. In the Joni Velie area. And restricting turns out of the industrial...Jonie-Velie area to just a right turn only and then they'll have to find the first median opening and then turn... RAS: Make a U. GH: U-turn if they want to go north. Basically they're going to Merle to a controlled intersection, signalized intersection to make those turn. RAS: That was the only solution we could come up with? GH: Other than having the continuing with the three-way stops which is a real buildup of traffic generator. BAC: Do the folks out there know that we're going to do that? GH: You know, I don't know exactly all of the organizations. I would assume that Dick has talked to the folks out in the Joni-Velie industrial complex. BAC: Why don't you write yourself a note. RAS: Make sure that they know before we do anything. 88 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: Well before. RSK: This is the one they're cutting the streets to a different location? RAS: No. BAC: Once we've got that done, then they...crosses along through when you come out of the industrial park. Yea, that won't happen (inaudible). RAS: (Inaudible) make a right turn. RSK: (Inaudible) when you want to get out. GH: Now we will have the Joni extension through at that time so they can come up through...to Avenue 42 and out to the signalized intersection and turn north. RAS: Make a map of the whole thing (inaudible). Okay. GH: Cook Street medians. Like I was just saying. This is basically been split into two projects. The first phase is what we're doing with the Cook Street Avenue 42 portion. The second one is from Merle...I mean Joni-Velie basically to Fred Waring which would be sometime in the future. We're not getting into that right now. Fred Waring at Phyllis Jackson. JW: Will that be on the agenda Thursday night? GH: Yes. The traffic generated from the new tract of homes there a portion of that work being talked about is the widening of Phyllis Jackson and the improvement setting the traffic signal there at the northwest corner. That is the...capital improvement program or possibly some participation from the developer. BAC: Have we had a response from the school district (inaudible). RAD: Yes, we've had a response from the district on our hearing Thursday. The solutions to (inaudible) the only question that remains is the north access road on the north side of the high school. RAS: To Cook Street. RAD: That's the issue. Everything else can be done. And it's already budgeted. JF: (Inaudible) financially at all? RAD: Not at this juncture, no. 89 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JF: Also, I didn't think we made up our minds yet whether or not we have an access to Phyllis Jackson. JW: That's on the agenda Thursday night. BAC: (Inaudible) parking stuff been responded to? RAD: The internal parking on that I assume they will do on their own. JF: I think one of the items we talked about us do their parking lot (inaudible). BAC: So they could get in and out. If we're going to build a road around it. I'm not sure we got this whole thing from off of Fred Waring, into (inaudible) and out the other end and on to Cook Street and all that...they responded to all the stuff from start to finish? RAD: The interior parking lot and that, I'll have to go back to talk to them. Whether they let us do it or whatever. BAC: Okay. RAD: The streets, drop offs. JMB: And we're paying for it all? RAS: What we're paying for is the widening of Phyllis Jackson. Staff is recommending that the new subdivision (inaudible) Moss Rose Drive on (inaudible). As far as opening up Cook Street, we're in favor that we want financial support from the District. They have not said yea or nay at this point, as I understand it. As far as redoing their lot, they have committed to doing that out of their funds. JMB: They have? RAS: That's what I understand. JW: They are talking $100,000 of the pass through and giving it to the High School and part of that $100,000 will be slurry seal and restriping of the parking lot. BAC: I would hope that (inaudible) that we would be willing to lend them... JW: An extra piece. 90 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: An extra piece because I think we did a great job on Presidents Plaza (inaudible). Its the same size thing and everything like that and I know I should have equal confidence in the planners for our school system. RAD: That is without question that we make our expertise available to... RAS: And then the secret is to get the ability to get in and out of Cook Street. GH: Yea. RAS: That's long term. That's subjective (inaudible). BAC: Absolutely. RAS: There's a lot of work involved, as you know, because you have to cut into (inaudible) drop off. So, anyway, I don't know if that will effect our decision on the new subdivision. PD: I think we talked about our ability to at least on the drop off on Cook Street...to do a temporary test without doing...without any major expense. (Inaudible) parking lot. Then if it works, figure out whether its worth moving the power lines, streets, doing some sort of drop off (inaudible). RAS: Okay. Fred Waring and Phyllis Jackson (inaudible). SRG: Yea. Portola. RAS: Portola Avenue - northbound - San Marino Circle to El Cortez. GH: This is a widening on the east side of Portola between those two streets. RAS: Is that on now, or (inaudible)? GH: No. We haven't even started preliminary. RAS: Highway 111 and Portola. GH: That would be the southwest corner. It is in design...we're widening that to get a larger radius eliminating a portion of the frontage road there in front of the old Aarco station. RAS: Is this (inaudible). BAC: It's getting smaller and smaller. 91 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF TIIE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 GH: It was something worked out there with the new owner. I can't remember his name. But it would bypass him to the President's Plaza parkway. RAS: Is this another thing that you're going to want to push forward because it's gonna be done in season and we want to do it next year? GH: Yea. We're not in any position now to hope to go out to bid within the next I don't think two months. We would want to push this forward until next summer. RAS: Then we have here city-wide projects. Those just sort of master plan kind of thing, nothing specific? GH: I-10 freeway interchanges, the CVAG payments have just been ongoing, where we have to pay each year. Golf cart transportation improvement I'm really not up on that one. Nuisance water inlet drive, well that's a yearly program where we put... RAS: But you have a real problem over on Washington, I understand with that...widening of Washington. Is that correct? GH: With the nuisance water you mean? RAS: Yes, nuisance water collection. GH: Well...the lot there at the northwest corner, that has been used as years...I mean it is the sunk condition there on Country Club Drive and the water comes across that property. We have installed 56 of these drywells, water inlet last year. I think we're putting in 35 this year. RAS: Okay. GH: Just to get some of the nuisance waters off of the streets so it stops the deterioration off the intersections, especially cross gutters of street pavements and whatnot. RAS: (Inaudible) as you suggested, you two guys don't need to stay because I don't think there's anything else that we're talking about...unless you want to. It's your prerogative. ???: Well, I appreciate the (inaudible). RAS: You can go. Well, lets see if we can't move ahead. We're working on the coordination of the traffic signals, right? GH: Um humm. RAS: Okay. Master Sidewalk Infill Program. 92 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 7, 1999 GH: Those are not...that's basically a yearly program that... RAS: Okay, flip the page. We should quickly look at things that aren't under here that are in here, and that is the aquatic center (inaudible). R/M City Hall Facilities? PSG: Repair and maintenance. RAS: Okay. Then you have underground, Presidents Plaza Parking Lot, that's done. Cook Street - you know a lot of this stuff is done is not happening. Rather than going through each one of these, maybe you could take a look at it, Ray, and tell us (inaudible) and get back to us on it. You've got Art -in -Public -Places, $985,380 that's in the fund. SRG: We'll spend it. RAS: And there's $210,000 to signalize, coordinate the traffic signals. I guess it's...there's a lot on our plate and I would like to recommend to the Council that maybe staff get back to us and really let us know what their needs our and account for some of this. Or say the heck with it, they're not going to happen. JW: What we're also going to do is...because we have a whole list of projects in 99/2000 and you can sense that we have a whole list of projects from 80...or 98/99 that we haven't done that are carried over to 99/2000, so we will look at the 99/2000 and prioritize those and push some of those back. In addition, we're going to have to be dealing with the staff issue of how we're going to accomplish these programs next year. But we're...on 260 or... RAS: 261. JW: Two sixty-one is the... RAS: Let's got to 261 and maybe, Ray, you could take us through these and tell us what you think we can do and what we can't do. RAD: Or the ones I would recommend at least look at Hovley. The proposed...and we'll go back and look at them again. They're not (inaudible) proposed traffic signals, no. In terms of the street projects, Highway 111 projects, getting them completed at the proper time we can do it, yes. The Magnesia Falls Drive bridge... RAS: What about the Fred Waring, also? RAD: Yea. Fred Waring also. The Fred Waring widening also. The five million for the Fred Waring widening, I believe that's property acquisition and that we'll be proceeding with. On the bridge projects, the Fred Waring bridge widening that one is a timing one to get the plans done and then to have the construction done... 93 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: That's a summer thing. RAD: Yea. Having the construction done in the summer and get the plans and bidding done before that. Mag Falls...timing wise it's not as critical as in any season, but I think it needs to be done. It will impact Fred Waring. RSK: You have Magnesia Falls bridge. It doesn't have any roads. What's the use of widening a bridge if we don't have a road? JW: There's road on both sides of the bridge. JF: It's four lanes on one side. JW: There's four lanes on one side and almost four lanes on the other side. RAS: There's going to be roadwork done though. RAD: Right. RAS: And also, won't we have to put up walls over there on the east side? Something...at least on Monterey side you have walls. JW: There's a chainlink fence on the southside that will probably have to be redone. I suppose the people are going to come back and say we want a wall. RAS: Sure they are. They're going to want a wall. JW: But I sense, again, this is probably one of those that's going to take a lot of design, a lot of work, even before we can bring it back to you next summer. RAS: Well, I think you need to start working with the people and let them know. Like one of the biggest opponents in this...I mentioned that we were talking about it, but I didn't get a lot of (inaudible). RSK: Who's that? You mentioned something (inaudible). RAS: (Inaudible). But, see...the sidewalks on Monterey because people are going to get sucked under the cars. Anyway...the point being, I think that they're ready for it because the traffic on Fred Waring and 111 and the cut through would be good for them. But I do think we (inaudible). RSK: (Inaudible) lots of occasions to go over that way. 94 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Oh sure. RSK: I just come out and go right down here instead of having to go all the way down Fred Waring and on down to... RAS: Exactly. And you have to make a left turn (inaudible). RSK: But they would be all in favor of it. RAS: (Inaudible). Anyway, maybe that's what we could sell. RAD: The Parks & Rec I think we can... PSG: We're on 310 right? RAD: Page 261. RAS: Regional park...that's with the school. RAD: Civic Center Amphitheater I think has the largest... RAS: (Inaudible) PD: They're moving ahead slowly. Restroom, is that restroom we're putting in towards the (inaudible). RAS: (Inaudible) this year. PD: We've got a PDCC...a second neighborhood park is redundant. RAS: It doesn't exist. South parking lot. PD: Is that at the soccer field parking lot. Hopefully we'll have done this summer or October at the latest. RAS: Is the neighborhood park the same as the other park? PD: Yea. The neighborhood park is gone. Then we have the land purchase of... RAS: Regional park. PD: Regional park. 95 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUKE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: And we'll have to look at the drainage. RAS: El Paseo and Highway 111 land development. What is that. CLO: That's the 12 acres. RAS: Oh, okay. CLO: That's RDA. RAS: Okay. North Sphere property golf course. CLO: Those are property acquisitions. RAS: New golf courses. Is that the new one? CLO: Right. And then that 17 acres. JF: Carlos, how did we come up with that 2.7 million for that 12 acres. CLO: We done an actual analysis...remember we presented to you as (inaudible) what its going to take to do all the infrastructure improvements and stuff. JF: None of the private developers that would put up hotels and restaurants in there would bear any of that expense? CLO: Oh, yes they would. We would charge them for it. But that's on the expenditure side and then we're going to have a revenue side. JF: So we'll recapture most of this? CLO: We'll recapture it all. RAD: Particularly the bandstand people. CLO: Oh, yes. Oh, yes (inaudible). RAS: Okay, then North Sphere Property - Other Purposes. Is that the affordable housing? CLO: No, that's the 17 acres that you told us to look at. RAS: On the other side of Desert Willow. 96 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CLO: On the other side. RAS: Okay. CLO: Right. BAC: (Inaudible) I don't see anything that anybody hasn't asked for planning...adding to our open space. RAS: Okay. That... RAD: (Inaudible) June 24 (inaudible) north side and sphere cities. RAS: (Inaudible). Make a Difference Day. Did...was anybody able to get a hold of that guy from UPS. CLO: Yes. RAS: UPS has offered their drivers to work on Make a Difference Day in our city. CLO: We'll schedule them. Just like we did those other folks the last Difference Day, as a matter of fact. RAS: Good. The UPS drivers have offered their... RSK: Oh, to do the project? RAS: Make a Difference Day. RSK: Well, how 'bout that. RAS: Drainage. JF: Ray, (inaudible) suggesting that we're up to is traffic signals that we attempt to do the balance. RAD: Your major streets, sidewalks and landscaping. I'll be looking at Highway 111's, Fred Warning's which is property acquisitions, the bridge projects, the recreation projects. RAS: I think you can give to us on what's held over. RAD: Yea. RAS: Plus this...priority. 97 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: Yea. We'll put them both together. RAS: (Inaudible) until he gets a chance to (inaudible). Okay. Community Gardens this year. JMB: If you're looking at one at Mag Falls Drive (inaudible) open up Mag Falls Drive you'll need a stop light on Monterey. You can't open Mag Falls without a stop light there. JW: I have a feeling that'll be probably pushed back next year with the planning this year. JMB: Well, whatever it is it should be with a traffic light. JW: I think there is a traffic light in the future. 2001. BAC: As long as we're going to be foolish enough to build a bridge, we shouldn't build a bridge until we have a traffic light. RSK: (Inaudible) You know, that would be a good way to take the experiment with a (inaudible) so that the people... BAC: I want a golf cart bridge, but what do the people want? RSK: Well, the people that golf, that are going straight through, like when Magnesia Falls cuts through, people on Monterey that are going straight through, they have a fly over so they could go straight through. There would be no stop. BAC: Let's look at it. Look at. RSK: Even if we had just one lane, going each way and not have to stop. You know, we really ought to try one of those some place. That would be an ideal place because we don't have anything there now. We've got enough room to get a big wide bridge in. RAS: Other projects. You have the Gardens and the Town Center. Council Chamber update. BAC: (Inaudible) Council Chamber Update which is being paid for by white paper. You know...its a hundred and some thousand dollars. My perception is...what we need to do is having Planning staff make sure that every person that comes to make a presentation to the Council has to have two copies of whatever the heck they're going to show us so that the other copy can face the audience. And that's really what we have to do. Because everybody turns the pretty picture towards us and anybody in the audience can't see it. PD: Either that or we get all exhibits on slides. BAC: Whatever. But we've already got slide projector up there. 98 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JMB: We always have state-of-the-art equipment in the Council Chamber but no state-of-the-art employees. BAC: We went through having those viewing monitors there umpteen years ago, and I can still remember Councilman Kelly's.... PD: Code of silence. BAC: comments about those things. There was not place to open our agenda packets and all the rest of that. Nobody ever used it...here's one person whose flat opposed to spending a penny on that and instead just tell people to bring in multiple copies or put it on slides or do something that doesn't take any money so that people in the audience can see what the heck we're looking at or so we can see what they're looking at and if we spend any money in there, I'd spend a few dollars and make the little podium thing that the person comes up to to talk, large enough so that a person could do more than put a postcard on it without it falling off the side. That's the tiniest little thing. If you have something this size, it won't even fit in there. Make that more comfortable. RAS: You mean with the microfilm and (inaudible) so you're not talking about (inaudible). RSK: Forget all the fancy electronics. Just fix the practical stuff where do you just do plain old work. ???: Can't we have a little room up there. JF: Well, Richard, Ray and I are all in that corner. RAS: He's always impinging on my property. BAC: Well, wait til you get (inaudible). RAD: (Inaudible) going to gripe to us. BAC: Anyhow. Here's one person, we can all walk in there with the City Clerk and say how about doing this and how about doing this, and I'll bet money it won't cost us anywhere near the amount. Just tell folks that (inaudible) that both the Council and the audience can see it. That is...that's impolite for us to see things that folks who come there to a hearing don't get to see. RSK: Unless it's something we don't want them to know about. RAS: Well, that's true. I've got a suggestion. Sheila offered her time to take any of us that want to, to see the new council chambers that have been put in existence since we've toured. I've never seen the one in Cathedral City. I've never seen the one in La Quinta. And those are 99 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * both brand new. Maybe we ought to take a look at those and see what the space allocations are and so on. Now I'll volunteer my truck, does anybody else want to go on the tour? JMB: Before we do it I think we should (inaudible). RAS: Good. So we'll take the (inaudible). RSK: I suspect that if we told Cathedral City that we'd like to see their new Council Chamber they would be tickled to death. RAS: You don't think they'd charge us money? RAD: A loan. RSK: (Inaudible). BAC: (Inaudible). RAS: Okay, so anyway. Good comment, Buford. ACR Conference room renovation. SRG: It's very tired. It's fifteen years old. Jean and I were looking at it. The chairs, these chairs are in need of reupholstering. These tables are awful. RSK: These are good compared to (inaudible). SRG: We're not say replace them. We're saying they need to be reupholstered. BAC: No, bring the stuff from CVAG. Cardboard conference chairs. JW: We'll reupholster these and buy new tables, right? SRG: Right. RAS: New tables? SRG: Well, these tables are awful. I mean, look around the room. None of the join. We need to come up with something better. RAD: I think too, there something like seventeen years old. SRG: Eighty-three. RAS: (Inaudible) find anything that's (inaudible). 100 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CLO: We found the cheapest thing that we could buy and we bought it. Ray and I did. RAD: Yea, Carlos and Ramon (inaudible). PD: Yea. Without the truck. RAS: Anyway. You'll design something and bring it back to us. SRG: Okay. RAS: While we're talking about the Council Chambers and the ACR, I would again like to ask the Council for their consideration to build some covered parking for all of the employees who work here on a regular basis. In our parking lot. JMB: I would suggest that we find out from Rancho Mirage. They finished doing theirs. They just had one row and now they've got the whole parking lot. The did the other two. PD: They have a pretty elaborate design. JMB: It doesn't look like it. They (inaudible). PD: If they... RAD: We can look. PD: Steel structure, then they (inaudible). JMB: It looks nice. RSK: It didn't look very nice to me. BAC: I think (inaudible). RAS: We have a couple comments. JF: I've seen Rancho Mirage's. La Quinta did a lattice type structure as well. And I'd rather...my personal preference is to get enough shade so that we could accomplish the same results. RAS: Those palm trees are filthy. They drop junk all over the cars. JF: Our trees are. 101 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SRG: They're taking them out. PD: But you guys got shade. JUNE 7, 1999 RAS: But... if you were to ask the employees, I think that you would find that you would have a better vote than they got on the health insurance the first time around. BAC: Well, I'd hope that. RSK: How many employees in the Coachella Valley have covered parking? RAS: Well, hopefully all the ones at the Town Center pretty soon. The Gardens on El Paseo. BAC: Park the cars over there and walk (inaudible). RAS: They can use the Shopper Hopper because nobody else rides it. JW: The employees better not be parking in those shopping structures. Those are for shoppers. PD: No, they're building their own parking...carports in the north 40. BAC: Are they? PD: Yea. That's what Trizech was planning. CLO: We own the parking structure. (Inaudible). RAS: (Inaudible). (Inaudible) projects number 1. Eight fifty, two million eighty-five thousand dollars. BAC: What page are you on? RAS: I'm on page 262. CLO: These are reimbursements for City projects that have been budgeted under the City. For example, these in Project Area 4, combination of landscaping, Hovley wall, I think also property purchase drainage. RAS: Okay, one thing that isn't on here, Carlos, that we've been talking about is (inaudible). You're not talking about this here. CLO: We're going to be bringing that you in special study session second meeting of June. 102 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PSG: There's a white paper here too. CLO: Right, but the white paper doesn't really say anything. It just says we're going to bring it to you. We will have costs. RAD: (Inaudible). JF: (Inaudible) Redevelopment Agency. CLO: Twenty-fourth. RSK: I have a meeting (inaudible). RAS: I'm here. (Inaudible). I guess that's...I'm not really interested in looking unless somebody else is, on what we've done in the next three years, beyond this. We can. RAD: I think at the rate we're going, you already had. You looked at 99/2000. RAS: So now we go to the Redevelopment Agency on page...beginning of page 314. Does anybody have any questions on the Redevelopment Agency. I have a question on page 318...pass through. It indicates the 20% set aside, but it doesn't say what it pass through for the schools and what passes through... CLO: They're all together. RAS: I know that. Park and Rec. CLO: We have a break out. If you want to we can get a you break out specifically. RAS: Why don't you send it out to the Council so they can see what the break out. We don't need to do it today. Does anybody have any other questions about increment? BAC: Only the issue about when...when are we going to the issue about what Jim asked for is the (inaudible) capacities and...carry one and that's coming up on us in about two years or three years. JF: The white paper on interest on RDA advances. It talks about maximizing the feasibility to put leverages on that. At some point we're gonna have to prioritize how were going to. CLO: I think what Buford is talking about we did an updated version of our budgeting capacity. It's a conservative view and the master conservative view. We can bring that back to you. 103 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: I think when we're talking about a budgeting group. I mean that was the one project area that we really need to (inaudible) wanted to do and so on and so forth. Some of the others had 2006 and 2025. JF: (Inaudible) is 2004 and 2007. CLO: If you look at...here Buford where they describe the specific... RAS: What page? CLO: In here where they describe the particular project areas. They talk about Project Area 1. RAS: What page are we on? CLO: It's spread out over several pages. I was looking at it last night. JW: 325. SRG: 325. CLO: 334. SRG: 334. CLO: Well, it gives you a description of each project area. BAC: We don't need to do it today. I just want to make sure that we...when we start into the next fiscal year that we have looked at it...what we want to do with the issue that you brought up. JF: Right. BAC: So that we don't let this stuff slide back into the County (inaudible). CLO: We'll bring you three things. We will revisit this white paper because it talks about one of the portions. We will talk about the two scenarios that we did for maximizing our funding capacity. Then we'll talk about another one that we looked at during the Cal State which shows all the projects and all the funding towards this. The thing you can say, if we do this project, what doesn't get done or if we want to do it, how can we do it. All of those things. JF: If our bonding cut off is 2004 and 2007, and we have between thirty-five and ninety-five million dollars coming out of (inaudible)...as a Council we ought to figure out where our priorities are and get you the process of moving on in the next year or so, so that we can maximize our (inaudible). 104 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CLO: Right. And we'll get you those projects we have in the books now. And you can say look at this other project, look at this other project, look at this other project. Our problem is simply what you heard about it. We got so many projects in the books, in fact we've got money sitting there for projects we haven't gotten to. JF: I know but...for a comment...about two meetings ago, Buford and I suggested hiring somebody to do nothing but managing projects and you said you yes and you said no, and now I'm hearing we don't have enough people to manage projects in Public Works and Redevelopment and I'm just curious... RAD: Again, if you...that management audit thing we looked at. But, now we're not going to do a management audit so we will look at that. Also, as you read this, there's other considerations to be done when you look at projects that you build and what you get. Along with them also comes responsibility under the conditional cost. So when you want building also gets as important. So we're going to look at it. One of the problems we have now, and we've had it for twenty years and since I've been here is, you always have this great project, capital improvement project, and the only time that you (inaudible) and noshing your teeth is June budget time. The rest of the year, nothing happens until June budget time and we find out that nothing has been getting done and we go through this over and over again, which we hope to stop. We may have to have additional people. BAC: Is that what we need to do is have staff to present us, not how we can implement in the backlog in five months, but how over the next one or two years we can tidy up the backlog of projects where the Agency and so on and so forth so that we are really current. RAS: With your priorities and then we'll sign off on that (inaudible). Then you won't be second guessed. Okay, if you're going to street (inaudible) I have a question. That's Project Area 4. Is that money pretty well designated as to where its going to be spent or should we continue with the Project Area 4 Committee? Okay, alright, then let me ask you a different way. If those aren't the money for Project Area 4, is there enough still...money available for Project Area 4 Committee to still exist? CLO: Yes. Because you still have six million dollars that hasn't been allocated that hasn't been released to us but will be released to us in a year, maybe a couple of years. We had total money... PSG: About four million. CLO: So we've got four million dollars. RAS: Okay. CLO: To be released. We have another six release (inaudible). 105 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: Something else that... CLO: You may want to look, Mr. Mayor, on the budget for the Housing Authority. RAS: Yes. CLO: That has been approved by the Commission. RAS: I think...we know this but the rest of the Council needs to take a look at page 347. Oh, here it is, 349. The Housing Authority...the assumption is they're going to have enough (inaudible) almost a million dollars on revenue (inaudible). PSG: The Housing Authority actually added twenty-five thousand to the budget. So (inaudible). RAS: So they're making a lot of money on those houses. RSK: Is that the one where we were losing money before? JF: (Inaudible). CLO: We have turned...when you look at the refinancing we did when we refinanced it, plus the management change, we probably about a million four to the better. What we were doing in the Housing Authority. BAC: Every year. CLO: Per year. JMB: (Inaudible). RSK: Amazing, isn't it? CLO: So when you're talking about surplus revenues for employees and stuff (inaudible). JF: You gave it to Council. RSK: So the Council can get a raise. CLO: I'll be glad to side with John. RSK: (inaudible). CLO: We'd be glad to recommend one. We've got the money. It's not the matter of money. 106 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: How many raises did they get in the last... RAS: Take a look at page 365. It's a PR release on the City of Palm Desert. And boy do we look good on this. We sure do. I don't know who wrote it. We're very forward looking. We have great assets. JF: I hear you. RAS: And then the only other thing that I had was on page 383, it has out of state travel and I found under the ICSC convention next year. And the only thing it's got on there is the National League of Cities and the trips for the hearings in Washington, DC. JF: And to Las Vegas. SRG: Well, we probably ought to have a Gisbourne thing. JMB: Nationally. What do we have locally? RAS: That's outside... SRG: This is out of state. RSK: What kind of hearings do we have in Washington, DC? RSK: Well, you know, maybe we'll hear something. RAD: Obviously, Council can always come back and ask. RAS: Anyway, Paul I want to congratulate you. I know it's not an easy task and the thing with the PR stuff was wonderful. PSG: I would like to highlight on the Housing Authority that the surplus that we do have, we plan on holding until the end of (inaudible) to review each of the buildings to determine what costs to maintain those buildings would be. (Inaudible). But just so you're aware of that issue. RAS: Does anybody have anything else. JW: As a part of every year's budget, we update the 2010 plan because it has the priorities. RAS: Okay. JW: (Inaudible) has moved those priorities around so I'm passing the updated 2010 plan. 107 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JF: When did you want to talk about this? JMB: Are we going to set up a meeting for the white papers. BAC: Dick, you're not here this Thursday? SRG: No. JUNE 7, 1999 RSK: I would like to invite you all to a 1:00 p.m. meeting on June 30 at (inaudible). They put together a plan for Rob (inaudible) RAS: (inaudible at CVAG the Transportation Committee. RSK: Anyway, they're going to do that. Anybody who is interested in seeing it, it is going to be right after the SunLine Board meeting on June 30th at Sunline. RAS: Have they changed it at all, or does it still make one stop in Palm Desert? RSK: The idea is that it would make more than one stop in each city. JMB: So, when are we studying for the Washington Street? RAS: When you are back here? RSK: I'm gonna be back on Monday and I'm leaving again early Tuesday morning and then I won't be back until Wednesday the 23rd. SRG: Will you be here on that Monday, a week from today? The 14th? RSK: What? SRG: Will you be here the 14th? RSK: Yes. I'm gonna be here the 14th. I'm gonna leave Thursday morning early and I'll be back just for one day, the 14th. SRG: Can we do it on the 14th? RAS: In the afternoon. RSK: I have the Landscape meeting at twelve o'clock and the transportation (inaudible) the Golf Course Committee, six p.m. is the League of Voters. Otherwise I'm not doing anything that — day. 108 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAS: When are you getting back after that? RSK: Maybe you can do it without me. I get back the 23rd. SRG: The day before the Council meeting. RAS: Is that kind of late for the white papers? JW: Well, there's two issues with the white papers. Are we talking primarily staffing? RAS: I guess. JMB: All the employees you want to add. BAC: Whatever else...whatever white papers you have. JW: Well, you have a list of white papers. The ones that we've removed form this list is primarily staffing issues. So the staffing issue we can have on the 23rd. The resolution that you will approve on the 24th is allocating the positions that you have right now. We can have a resolution... BAC: How about... JW: Are we having a meeting in July. RDK: The 8th. BAC: How about if we met at one o'clock on the 24th? SRG: You've got a study session at three. RSK: A two p.m. study session (inaudible). SRG: No, that's canceled now. We're doing (inaudible). RAD: (Inaudible) we didn't have any other choice. I sent out a memo on Friday. JMB: Three p.m. on the 24th is the Merle project. Merle Drive. BAC: So, again. What about one to two set aside for white papers? SRG: Wait, are you saying that the trash is going to be on the 24th? So hold it. So you're saying that when we move to the next meeting, now has to be on the 24th at two? 109 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAD: I put that memo out... SRG: Buford. We're doing the trash, or whatever that thing is called Mainstream or whatever, they are doing it at two that day with Carlos' project at three. They couldn't move that one because they have other people coming. BAC: By gosh, why don't we come in and have lunch at the 24th at noon and do this darn stuff and just do an afternoon of it. RAS: Why not. JMB: What's at two? SRG: That's the trash. They can't change it. JMB: From the notice they sent the other day that they moved it to the 8th, that's been canceled? JW: Maybe I can make it easy on the Council. If it's on the 24th, you need a resolution allocating new positions and that won't be in the budget period. So what... you could do it in July. BAC: You know it's in here. JW: But you have to provide another resolution allocating new positions in July anyway. PSG: We can amend the resolution, you just take... BAC: I would like to get this done. JW: Okay. RAS: Okay. Twelve o'clock on Thursday the 24th (inaudible). Twelve o'clock right on through. BAC: We'll do it at twelve and have a little break in between the trash and... RAS: And Merle. JMB: So this thing for July 8th is off? RSK: (Inaudible). BAC: So, the eighth is no longer anything, right? The eighth is done. RAS: Everything is on the 24th. The eighth is the Council meeting. 110 MINUTES ADJOURNED JOINT MEETING OF THE PALM DESERT CITY COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY JUNE 7, 1999 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BAC: From twelve o'clock to night on the 24th you're here. SRG: From twelve to twelve. RAS: Okay. Is there anything else that we need to do for the cause. Then adjourned. BAC: So seconded. V. ADJOURNMENT Upon motion by Mayor/Chairman Spiegel, second by Mayor Pro-Tempore/Vice Chairman Crites, and unanimous vote of the City Council/Agency Board, Mayor Spiegel adjourned the meeting at 1:20 p.m. Xed:€69, ATTEST: \f I / t fi(X6 / /I /1 0//l. "i.(7 SHEILA R. ITLIGAN CITY CLERK/AGENCY SECRETARY CITY OF PALM DESERT/ PALM DESERT REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ROBERT A. SPIEGF ., N YOk/CHAIRMAN 111