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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Randy Guyer convened the meeting at 8:30 a.m.�:
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Chairman Randy Guyer Vice Chair Julie Munso �
Alternate Vice Chair Terry Schukart (Munson on Leave of A s n �
Commissioner Phill Babcock �
Commissioner Michael Barnard �
Commissioner Dan Barnes ` �
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Commissioner Gerald Dawson � o .�
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A. MINUTES OF THE MEETING FROM OCTOBER 3, 2006 AND
OCTOBER 17, 2006
Minutes of Parks and Recreation Commission of October 3, 2006, were
approved as submitted. Commissioner Barnes stated that on page 7,
paragraph 4, second sentence of the minutes, he refers to the Coachella
Valley Recreation and Parks District and not the YMCA. (After reviewing
the tapes from said meeting, Commissioner Barnes does refer to the
YMCA; therefore, minutes were not changed). Motion moved/seconded
by Dawson/Schukart and carried by a 9-0 vote with Vice Chair
Munson ABSENT (Munson on leave of absence).
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Minutes of Parks and Recreation Commission of October 17, 2006, were
approved as submitted. Motion moved/seconded by Dawson/Schukart
and carried by a 9-0 vote with Vice Chair Munson ABSENT (Munson
on LOA).
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
V. PRESENTATIONS - None
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. RECREATION SERVICES RECOMMENDATION
Discussion and recommendation to initiate the detachment process
from the Coachella Valley Recreation and Park District (CVRPD).
Ms. Steele stated that she invited Mr. George Spiliotis, Executive Officer
for the Riverside Local Agency Formation Commission (LAFCO), to
explain the process or answer questions on the detachment from the
CVRPD. She briefly communicated that Staff was asked to review and
provide information on the City's recreational services. In the past year,
Staff hired a consultant to develop and provide a statistically valid citizen's
survey to assist in better understanding Palm Desert citizens' attitudes,
interests, priorities, and support for parks and recreation services. The
survey also was intended to be a key component of the City's strategic
planning process. Ms. Steele also communicated that Staff was directed
by the City Council to hire a consultant to develop a business plan that
would help to determine the cost to start up and operation of a City run
parks and recreation department. She noted that a copy of a
memorandum from the City Attorney to the City Manager regarding the
process of detachment is included in the agenda packet. Ms. Steele
suggested that the Commission first let Mr. Spiliotis speak on the
detachment process before making a recommendation.
Mr. Spiliotis explained that LAFCO is a Local Agency Formation
Commission that is essentially a boundary setting commission with the
jurisdiction being Riverside County. He stated that the Commission
consists of seven members who represent all levels of local government.
They are: two County Supervisors selected by the Board of Supervisors;
two city council representatives selected by the City Selection Committee
within Riverside County; two special district board members selected by
the Special District Selection Committee; and one public member selected
by the other members of the commission. He stated, in terms of the
process, if the City decides to initiate the detachment from the CVRPD,
the detachment works in the same way as an annexation. The initiation
could be started by registered voters or by an agency and an application
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must be submitted. He stated that the heart of any application is the plan
of services. In the City's case, it would require exactly how the services
would be taken over by the City, which is financing services, what facilities
would be available, any plans to add new facilities, etc.
Mr. Spiliotis gave the Commission a copy of excerpts of the LAFCO
Policies and Procedures. He pointed out policy 2.1.2 of the excerpt.
Where special district boundaries overlap city territory,
LAFCO will support district detachments if the city provides
similar services to the district and can demonstrate one of
the following conditions is met:
a. The subject city provides a higher level of service.
b. The subject city provides equivalent service levels at a
lower cost.
LAFCO shall also consider the impact of detachment on
the ability of the district to provide services to the
remainder of its service area.
Mr. Spiliotis expressed that the policy was developed after a similar
proposal by LAFCO in the early 1990's. He referred to the City of Lake
Elsinore (western part of the county) that applied for a detachment for all
of its corporate territory from the Ortega Trail Recreation and Park District.
He commented that he does not know all the details to Palm Desert's
circumstances. In the case of Lake Elsinore and Ortega Trail, the district
was providing very limited recreational services within the City, and did not
own any facilities other than its headquarters building. The district had
been around for approximately 40 years and had been collecting taxes for
40 years, which provided very limited services. The City of Lake Elsinore,
over the years, had been developing its own recreation programs. The
City continued to work with the district to some extent; however, the City
felt they could do things more efficiently and wanted to retain the property
tax revenues within the City to completely run the recreational programs.
Mr. Spiliotis stated that the LAFCO commission considered the City's
application. The commission did not consider to a great extent the impact
of the district being able to carry out its function in the remainder of their
service area. He recalls the City of Lake Elsinore was a huge part of the
districYs service area, it had approximately 80% territory of the district and
about 70% of the property tax revenue generated to the district was from
within the City. He explained that concurrently with the detachment
proposal, which may be one of the reasons the commission approved the
proposal, the district also had an annexation proposal to annex a large
unincorporated community that was in need of recreational services and
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assessment proposal to carry on recreation services. The commission's
thinking at the time was that benefit assessment was pre-Proposition 218
that would eventually take the loss of property tax revenue. However over
time and after Proposition 218, the district had two assessment measures
fail. Eventually the district had insufficient revenues to carry out any
services, and in 1999 the district filed for dissolution after limping along for
several years. Mr. Spiliotis stated that the policy was devetoped two to
three years after the initial detachment of Ortega Trails District. He
commented that he could not speak on what the City of Palm Desert is
considering, he does not know the details, and would not want to pre-
judge any application the LAFCO Commission may receive. He
commented that he did want to give the Parks and Recreation
Commission the background on the City of Lake Elsinore and Ortega
Trails District, and that a significant issue that they would look at would be
the impact on the district and the ability to carry out its mission. Another
policy the Mr. Spiliotis pointed out was 2.3.6:
LAFCO shall encourage districts with significant territory
within a city's sphere of influence to develop plans, in
conjunction with the city, for the orderly detachment of
territory from the district or merger/dissolution of the district
as district territory is annexed to the city. This strategy is
applicable only where the subject city provides similar
services to the district and can demonstrate one of the
following conditions is met: 1) The subject cify provides
higher levels of service; 2) The subject city provides
equivalent service levels at a lower cost.
Any plans anticipating detachment shall consider the impact
of detachment on the ability of the disfrict to provide services
to the remainder of its service area.
He commented that one of LAFCO's goals is for agencies to work
together, and plan toward what perhaps might be ultimately the City taking
over that function. He asked if anyone had any questions.
Councilman Spiegel asked when the Ortega Trails District dissolved itself,
what were the effects of the other areas where they provided service. Mr.
Spiliotis responded that the problem was the district continued to have
denial from the voters for assessments to carry out the functions of the
district, specifically from unincorporated areas. The residents were
unwilling to financially support the operations of the district. He mentioned
that the property tax revenue that the district had left after the detachment
was less than $100,000 a year, which was not enough to do anything.
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Councilman Spiegel asked what the population was during the
detachment. Mr. Spiliotis responded that today the Wildomar and
surrounding areas has a population of approximately 30,000 to 35,000
people. In the 1990's, the population was closer to 20,000 to 25,000
people.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart asked Mr. Spiliotis, if a city should submit a
proposal to LAFCO and LAFCO makes a recommendation that the city
doe not like, what is the next step in the process. Mr. Spiliotis responded
that in the excerpt that he distributed, he added a copy of the flow chart
indicating how the process and proceedings take place. He added that as
far as time goes due to workload, it is taking LAFCO staff four to five
months for a proposal to be completed before going to the commission at
a public hearing. If the commission approves the proposal for detachment,
there will be a requirement for a protest hearing. The protest hearing is
handled by the LAFCO office and does not go back to the commission.
The outcome of the protest proceedings is based solely on the level of
written protests that LAFCO receives during the protest period. That is
protests received that are less than 25% of registered voters within the
detachment area, which would be the city. It would then be a matter of
paperwork to complete the detachment. If there is between 25 and 50%
written protests, the city would be required to hold an election, and a
simple majority would determine the outcome of the detachment. He
continued to explain that if LAFCO were to receive written protests from a
majority of the register voters in the detachment area, the detachment
would be terminated and there would be no need to go to an election. He
stated that once LAFCO takes control, the city couldn't withdraw the
application. He added that the district itself does not have veto authority,
and is in the hands of LAFCO.
Commissioner Dash indicated that Mr. Spiliotis stated the City has to be
cautious about three things. He asked Mr. Spiliotis if he could advise the
City in those areas in preparing the application. He responded that he
does not know enough about the particulars of Palm Desert's case. Mr.
Spiliotis commented that LAFCO's concern would be the ability of the
district to carry out its mission.
Alt. Commissioner Garcia asked before the new Act was in place, were
there similar situations and how were they handled. Mr. Spiliotis
responded that the Act was rewritten and renamed in the year 2000. In
one form or another LAFCO and its legislation has been around since
1964. There was a major rewrite in 1985 and the 2000 rewrite was just
renamed. Commissioner Garcia asked if the procedure is more
streamlined. Mr. Spiliotis replied that the procedures have not changed
much between now and the 80's and 90's.
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Commissioner Guyer stated the policy 2.1.2 states that one of the
conditions has to be met. For example, if the City met part (A) or part (B),
would LAFCO still look at the impact of the District? Mr. Spiliotis replied
yes.
Councilman Spiegel asked Mr. Spiliotis, after the decision is made by
LAFCO and there has been a protest proceeding, does either party have
any recourse. He responded that after the commission has made their
decision, there is a 30-day reconsideration period. Councilman Spiegel
asked if there has ever been any litigation. Mr. Spiliotis responded yes.
Mr. Spiliotis mentioned that as part of the process, there has to be a
property tax exchange agreement between the agencies. He noted that
the City would negotiate on the City's behalf and the board of supervisors
would negotiate on behalf of the district. Councilman Spiegel asked if
there has to be an agreement on Redevelopment dollars. Mr. Spiliotis
replied monies from Redevelopment would not be impacted.
Commissioner Babcock asked Mr. Spiliotis if he knows of other cities that
have detached and if they succeeded. He responded that the only
detachment from a recreation and park district that he recalls in the past
15 years is the City of Lake Elsinore.
Alt. Commissioner Garcia asked Mr. Spiliotis if LAFCO also handles all of
the CEQA questions. He responded that LAFCO is not the leading agency
for CEQA. In litigation, LAFCO is usually the plaintiff.
Commissioner Barnard asked Mr. Spiliotis how LAFCO is going to review
the impact on the district. Is an audit done or is there a review of their
programs? He responded that they would probably look at their level of
revenue that the district receives from the City, what would be loss based
on the negotiated property tax exchange, and loss of service
responsibility. Commissioner Barnard asked if they would look at the
district's audit. Mr. Spiliotis responded that they would not do an audit, but
probably look at their budget.
Chairman Guyer asked what would happen if LAFCO is not able to
determine the impact. Mr. Spiliotis responded that they woufd fook at the
numbers. The service costs that will no longer be the responsibility of the
district would be a little fuzzier.
Ms. Steele announced that Mr. Ortega, City Manager, had arrived. She
asked Mr. Ortega if he had any comments. Mr. Ortega responded only if
the Commission had any questions for him. He commented that Mr.
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Spiliotis was invited because he is Mr. LAFCO. He has been with the
agency for many years.
Councilman Spiegel commented the LAFCO does not only look at park
districts. They also look at land acquisitions by cities. Mr. Spiliotis added
that a good portion of LAFCO's job is special districts.
Chairman Guyer asked the Commission if they had more discussion
concerning the detachment. The Commission needs to decide on a
recommendation to the City Council.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart asked if the proposal would initiate work done by
the Commission to generate information for LAFCO, generate substantive
issues around service, funding, etc. Would the Commission be working
with City Staff to draw up the report? Mr. Ortega replied that was correct.
He asked the Commission if they received a copy of the City Attorney's
recommendation. Ms. Steele responded that a copy was given to the
Commission. Mr. Ortega stated that the application would take a while to
prepare, if it is the Commission's recommendation to the City Council.
Commissioner Barnes communicated that he sees the detachment as a
divorce action between the City of Palm Desert and the CVRPD. As a
Commission, they could recommend such a divorce proceeding take place
and leave it up to the City Council and the City Attorney to work out the
details. The Commission is just the children involved in the divorce action.
He stated that the Commission knows what they want to do, as far as
what is best for the City in the way of parks and recreation.
Commissioner Dawson clarified that the Commission recommends to the
City Council that the detachment takes place, and if the City Council
agrees, the City Council would then return to the Commission and Staff to
work on the documentation. Ms. Steele responded that the City Council
would continue to work with the business plan consultant to finalize the
business services plan and assist in the implementation of the plan.
Commissioner Dawson stated that the Commission would be overstepping
their responsibility to do much more work until the Council approves the
recommendation. Alt. Vice Chair Schukart responded that the Council
would have to base their decision on something other than the
Commission recommending the detachment. If he were the City Council,
he would ask, based on what? He stated that they would have to generate
a white paper so that the Council could read and have something to base
their thumbs up or down.
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Councilman Spiegel interjected that the City Council has sat down for two
presentations. One presentation was on the assessment of what citizens'
of Palm Desert want, and the second was the assessment on whether or
not it would be practical for the City to create its own recreation district.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart asked Councilman Spiegel if the Council have
received the data they need to make a decision. He replied yes.
Commissioner Barnes added that the reports were very good in order for
the Commission to make their own determination. Councilman Spiegel
stated that the City Council is waiting to hear from the Commission on
what direction they would fike to go.
Alt. Commissioner Garcia asked what are the advantages or
disadvantages of going through the divorce proceedings as Commissioner
Barnes referred to the detachment. Commissioner Dash added that he
was going to ask the same question, and if Staff have provided a
recommendation on the advantages and disadvantages. Commissioner
Limont replied that it is in the staff report.
Councilman Spiegel mentioned that during this past summer, the CVRPD
at the Palm Desert Civic Center made the decision to not have a summer
camp. It was the CVRPD's decision and the City had no input. He noted
that the YMCA helped by adding more summer camps. He stated that is a
decision the City is not involved in now and maybe it was the right
decision, he does not know; the City had no input.
Mr. Ortega asked the Commission if they recommend that the City Council
in essence authorize Staff to put together all the documentation,
application, business plan, and recreation plan. If the answer is yes, then
the Council will ask Staff to do that and it would come back to the
Commission. He referred to the term "divorce" and the parent that wants
the divorce have to prepare a plan on how the family is going to survive. In
this case, the children get to participate in that plan, which is the
Commission.
Chairman Guyer commented that he does not see it as a separation. He
sees it more as a fork in the road. The City has worked with the district for
many years, does the City want to continue to grow with the district or
detach in a direction where the City does not have their help.
Commissioner Barnes felt that the growth has ended as far as taking care
of the needs of the City.
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Ms. Steele stated that contracted services should be used where
appropriate or mutual benefit exists. The City could still work with the
district if they want to work with the City.
Mr. Kevin Kalman, CVRPD, asked Mr. Spiliotis if the City detaches from
the district and are no longer in the sphere of influence, the district could
not contract services in the City. He responded that there are laws in the
books regarding contracts for extra territorial services that would limit
LAFCO's ability to authorize those extra territorial services if it is not within
the sphere of influence. He commented that the City could detach, but not
remove the City from the sphere of influence.
Chairman Guyer reconfirmed with Mr. Kalman that if they are no longer
the primary service provider, would they still be willing to provide services.
He responded that the district is absolutely willing to continue to partner
with the City, which has been their intent. He feels that there needs to be
discussion to take place in order to move forward. He mentioned that he
has met with Staff back in May or June to discuss the current service
agreement and the agreement was going to be re-drafted, which has not
happened and does not know if it will happen.
Commissioner Limont stated that her observation is that when you look at
the City of Palm Desert in relation to the entire valley on how many parks,
facilities, and how to run the facilities, she suggested that the Commission
go along with Staff recommending to initiate the detachment process from
the CVRPD and send to the Council. She commented that the results from
the assessment survey had a tremendous amount of information, and
from a City standpoint it would make sense for the City to run its own
parks and recreation.
Commissioner Barnes stated that whether the City or the district run the
recreation services, the facilities would need to be improved in order to
take care of the needs of the City.
Commissioner Dawson asked Mr. Spiliotis to clarify if it would be a good
idea for the City to submit the detachment application after having worked
with the district to come up with a mutually agreeable plan and build a
detachment plan with as much coordination as possible with the district.
Mr. Spiliotis responded that is always the preference. He also commented
that he recalls another detachment, but was not as drastic as the City of
Lake Elsinore. It involved the City of Banning detaching a remaining
portion of the city that had been in Beaumont Recreation Park District.
There was a negotiation on the property tax exchange. Chairman Guyer
asked what year did the detachment occur. Mr. Spiliotis replied that it was
in the mid 1990's.
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Commissioner Dawson asked if would be legal for the City contract
services from the district after the detachment if the City was not in their
sphere of influence. Mr. Spiliotis responded that detachment from the
service area does not necessarily mean that the City has to be removed
from the sphere of influence. He suggested that the City speak to the City
Attorney, and it may be beneficial to have a contractual agreement before
the detachment occurs.
Commissioner Dash moved for City Staff to recommend to the City
Council to initiate the detachment process from the Coachella Valley
Recreation and Park District. Commissioner Limont seconded the
motion and carried by a 9-0 vote with Vice Chair Munson ABSENT.
The Commission thanked Mr. Spiliotis.
Mr. Homer Croy, ACM for Development Services, interjected that a motion
has to be made on the second recommendation to continue to work with
GreenPlay.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart moved for City Staff to recommend to the
City Council to continue to consult with GreenPlay to finalize the
business services recreation plan. Commissioner Limont seconded
the motion and carried by a 9-0 vote with Vice Chair Munson
ABSENT.
Chairman Guyer stated that the business plan has been done, why is Staff
going to continue to work with GreenPlay. Ms. Steele responded that the
consultant would work on a strategic plan to formalize the detachment
process to work towards an implementation plan, if the initiation of the
detachment process is approved by the City Council.
Chairman Guyer asked the secretary to read the motion again. The
secretary replied, "Staff recommends continuing to work with GreenPlay to
finalize the business services recreation plan." Chairman Guyer asked
why Staff should pursue to have plan done and not wait until is going to
detach or not. Ms. Steele responded that there would be two
recommendations going to the City Council, and that to file a detachment
application, there must be a recreation services plan.
Change made to motion:
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart moved for City Staff to recommend to the
City Council to continue to consult with GreenPlay to assist in
developing a detailed strategic plan to formalize the detachment
process and develop a City directed parks and recreation
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department. Commissioner Limont seconded the motion and carried
by a 9-0 vote with Vice Chair Munson ABSENT.
B. TRAILS INFORMATION
Discussion and provide Staff with direction on trails information.
Ms. Steele reported that there have been numerous meetings where the
Commission has discussed trails and what is happening in the valley. She
commented that the Planning Department is working on trail development
within the City of Palm Desert. She noted that the City Council has set
some money aside for trails on the north side of the City. Ms. Steele
stated that she recently received information from Mr. LeGrand Velez,
Executive Director from a nonprofit organization called Coachella Valley
Community Trails Alliance.
Chairman Guyer asked if the Alliance is a private group. Ms. Steele
responded that it is newly formed nonprofit organization.
Ms. Steele commented that she could continue providing information and
share any updates with the Commission, if that is something that
Commission would like.
Commissioner Barnes noted that the organization seems to have the
same objectives as the City. It would be a benefit for the City to work with
the organization.
Ms. Steele stated that she could request for Mr. Velez to make a
presentation to the Commission.
Chairman Guyer stated that he did not understand what the organization
means by paved off-street trails. Ms. Steele replied that she believes that
they are referring to the washes.
Mr. Kalman added that there are a number of opportunities being explored
with private developers on the eastern portion of the valley that is currently
being developed. He also mentioned that the district and the county are
looking at a valley-wide system that would include Palm Desert. He stated
that their board approved for the district to be the lead agency to work with
the county on the trail system.
Chairman Guyer asked Mr. Kalman if they are trying to connect the trails.
He replied that they are trying to connect the valley.
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Commissioner Barnes indicated that in order for it to be worthwhile, the
trails should be paved so the bicyclists could use the trails too. The
objective is to have the trail go from Indio to Palm Springs.
Councilman Spiegel commented that it would be a good idea to invite Mr.
Velez to a Commission meeting.
Commissioner Babcock stated that the trails have been talked about for
many years, and the only city that has trails is Palm Desert. He feels that if
the Commission gets involved with other organizations that have good
ideas, but feels that somehow there would be no results. Chairman Guyer
responded with this organization might get results somewhere else.
Commissioner Barnes stated that Mr. Croy is working on the maps of the
trails. He feels that the City has done a good job providing nice areas to
walk in.
Commissioner Limont asked if the maps that were given to the
Commission several months ago are being updated. Ms. Steele
responded that they are being updated.
Mr. Croy announced that City Staff has an ad-hoc Wayfinding Committee.
The committee is looking at all the maps and trails. They are trying to find
ways for people to find us easier. The group is dedicated to updating the
whole system.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart moved for City Staff to invite Mr. Velez,
Executive Director from the Coachella Valley Community Trails
Alliance, for a presentation to the Parks and Recreation Commission
with a description of their group, direction, and goals. Commissioner
Limont seconded the motion and carried by a 9-0 vote with Vice
Chair Munson ABSENT.
VII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
A. DOG PARK ISSUES
Discussion and provide Staff with direction on dog park issues
Ms. Steele reported that at the last couple of ineetings there have been a
couple of people that addressed the Commission concerning issues in the
dog park. She informed the Commission that Mr. Niemczak and she got
together and investigated some items and made some recommendations.
She noted that at the last meeting Staff recommended narrowing the
openings on the fencing that separates the small and large dog park. Staff
was asked to look at a wire mesh. After Staff looked at the mesh, they felt
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it would ruin the fa�ade at the dog park. Mr. Niemczak interjected that he
had concern that the dog would cut their paws on the wire.
Chairman Guyer added that there was also an issue with the visibility, if a
mesh were to be installed.
Chairman Guyer asked if low growing bushes could be planted. Mr.
Niemczak responded that there is concrete along the fence.
Commissioner Limont felt that the Commission is moving in the wrong
direction. She stated that the dog owners are not controlling their dogs.
There are people that are complaining and are not residents of Palm
Desert, and feels that they should fall down to the bottom of the priority
pile. Commissioner Limont stated that dog owners have to be responsible
for their dogs. She asserted that the City cannot react to every complaint
from non-citizens of Palm Desert using the dog park.
Ms. Steele indicated that Staff is not recommending doing anything,
unless directed by the Commission.
Commissioner Babcock agreed with Commissioner Limont. He
commented that he has been on the Commission for a long time, and
there have always been complaints on the dog park operation. Changes
are made to the dog park due to the complaints, and the dog owners still
complain.
Commissioner Dawson asked Staff to clarify recommendation No. 2 of the
staff report. Mr. Niemczak recommended raising the level of the bars on
the fence that separates both dog parks. It would prevent the small dogs
from standing up and putting their heads through the larger bars.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart asked Mr. Niemczak if raising the bars is easy to
do. He replied yes, they could easily be welded on. Alt. Vice Chair
Schukart commented that he would be interested to know how much
money has been invested into the dog park in the past five years.
Commissioner Barnes asked Mr. Niemczak how much it would cost to
replace the fence with one that has the bars closer together. Mr. Niemczak
responded it would cost approximately $2,000 to $3,000.
Commissioner Barnes requested to see some pictures of fences that have
bars close together. Mr. Niemczak replied that he would.
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Chairman Guyer stated that the Commission is recommending for City
Staff not do anything, except to bring pictures of what the fence would look
like if it were to be extended a little higher.
Ms. Steele stated that the no smoking signs were mentioned at one of the
Commission meetings. Chairman Guyer asked where the designated
smoking area in the park is. Ms. Steele responded that there is no area
designated for smokers.
It was commented that no smoking is mentioned on sign that displays the
rules for the dog park, and a "No Smoking Sign" should not be installed.
VIII. REPORTS AND UPDATES
A. CVRPD PROPOSED ASSESSMENT DISTRICT
Ms. Steele reported that she provided the Commission with information
from CVRPD on their proposed assessment district. She asked the
Commission if they had any questions.
Chairman Guyer stated that on page 54 of the agenda packet, the CVRPD
board meeting minutes, Mr. Ford said, "monies will be collected and
expended in the same general area. This is tied more to the master plan
and is site specific." Mr. Kalman responded that the proposed new
assessment would be for funding for facilities identified in the CVRPD
master plan.
Chairman Guyer asked Mr. Kalman what are the facilities identified in the
master plan. He responded the facilities would be a sports complex
located in the eastern part of the valley (Mecca), a community center in
the Bermuda Dunes/Indio area, and an aquatic complex in the north Palm
Desert area.
Chairman Guyer stated that on page 55 of the agenda packet, the City
asked what facilities/projects would be funded. The district responded,
"CVRPD facilities with district-wide benefit will be funded." He asked Mr.
Kalman if the funding would be restricted to the three facilities that he
mentioned earlier. He answered that is what it is currently being reviewed.
Mr. Kalman commented on how much Palm Desert residents are paying
on the current assessment. He indicated that Palm Desert residents are
receiving the same benefit as Indio residents, but Indio is paying a higher
assessment.
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Commissioner Barnes stated that he wanted to make sure he heard Mr.
Kalman correctly. He asked Mr. Kalman if they are planning to build an
aquatic center on the north side of Palm Desert. He answered yes. The
master plan identified a need there, which includes a small piece of
Rancho Mirage, Palm Desert, and Thousand Palms.
Commissioner Barnes expressed that he finds that information very
disturbing. He does not understand why there would be two aquatic
centers in a radius of no more than five or six miles.
Chairman Guyer added that the YMCA is looking at building an aquatic
center in Rancho Mirage.
Commissioner Barnes stated that there would be one aquatic center for
every ten people in the valley.
B. NORTH SIDE (NEW) PARK COMMITTEE UPDATE
Commissioner Barnard informed the Commission that the North Side Park
Committee had their first meeting on Monday, November 6. He stated that
the boundaries are Portola, Dinah Shore, Gerald Ford, and the railroad
tracks. He indicated that Dinah Shore is going to intersect at Portola and
would probably be the main entrance. It then goes out to the railroad
tracks on the north, and south by Gerald Ford. There is 26 acres of
parkland with 10 acres adjacent to the 26 acres for affordable housing. He
reported that the Committee had a brainstorming session on what should
be included in the park. They focused on the results from the survey. The
Committee is looking at a major indoor recreational center, along with
what would be incorporated into the center. The Committee also looked at
hiking trails and sports fields (baseball and football). He indicated that the
Committee would be meeting again in two weeks, and Ms. Steele was
going to provide the Committee with more information on some indoor
centers from the Midwest. He felt that they had a very good meeting with
good ideas.
Chairman Guyer asked if the Committee discussed the ice skating rink.
Commissioner Barnard responded that they did mention an ice rink.
Councilman Spiegel asked Ms. Steele if she had any information from the
Ontario ice rink group. Ms. Steele informed the Commission that she has
not spoken to the group, but has learned that the group is planning to build
an ice rink in Indio. She noted that she has spoken to the other two groups
and they are still interested. She indicated that she does have a meeting
scheduled with Mr. Dave Ison, City of Indio, and would get more
information from him.
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Councilman Spiegel mentioned that the reason the group is going to Indio
is because the electricity is so much cheaper.
Ms. Steele stated that the group from Ontario was not interested in leasing
the land. They wanted the City to give them the fand, and the City was not
interested in giving land away. She explained that Staff had waited for the
results from the survey to find out if a facility was needed, and if there was
a need, what are the residents looking for in an ice rink.
Chairman Guyer commented that the Committee is going more in a
direction towards an activity center, as opposed to a park that the City
usually builds.
Commissioner Barnes asked if the Committee addressed or designated
any numbers to baseball and soccer fields, tennis and basketball courts,
dog park, etc. Commissioner Barnard responded that they did address it,
but that they also looked at where those activities where already being
offered. He noted that they are looking at all of those activities.
Ms. Steefe added that the survey results show that soccer needs are
being met; the Committee looked at designating a field to football. She
reminded the Commission that near the north side park is the University
Park area, which would include three neighborhood parks and a large dog
park. The Committee is looking at supplementing what does not already
exist.
Commissioner Barnes asked Ms. Steele, based on her experience, how
many acres would be needed for a decent community center. She
responded that it all depends on what is going to be in the center. She
stated minimally seven or eight acres.
Chairman Guyer commented that the Committee still has to look at how
the affordable housing is going to be configured into the park, and then
they would be left with the footprint.
Commissioner Barnes asked if the affardable housing was part of the 26
acres. Chairman Guyer replied that it is part of the 36 acres.
Commissioner Barnes stated that he has been on the Commission for
many years, and they have never accepted football in the City of Palm
Desert because it was considered a dangerous sport.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart mentioned that the flag football league for
youngsters is gaining a lot of momentum. There are a large section of
Palm Desert kids who want to engage in this type of activity.
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Chairman Guyer suggested for Commissioner Barnes take a look at the
basketball players on the court. They seem to be more violent than the
kids playing flag football.
Ms. Steele noted that flag football is currently happening in the park. They
just do not have a designated area.
Alt. Commissioner Garcia commented that back in the days when he
played, no contact was allowed. He asked if the rules were still the same.
Alt. Vice Chair Schukart responded that kids have gotten more savvy,
stronger, and faster. The have rules have mitigated a little to take that into
consideration.
Commissioner Barnes asked to clarify if they are talking about flag or
tackle football. Alt. Vice Chair Schukart responded that there are two large
leagues in Palm Desert. One league is flag football and the other is tackle
football. The kids do put equipment on for tackle football.
Commissioner Barnes noted that he has no objection to flag football.
C. DISC GOLF UPDATE
Ms. Steele reported that the disc golf group has organized a disc golf
event on Sunday night when there is no soccer.
Councilman Spiegel asked how many people. Ms. Steele replied
approximately 20 people.
Ms. Steele stated that the group is working on organizing a tournament on
February 3, 2007. She mentioned that Staff has printed out more
scorecards with the map on the opposite side. The cards would be located
at the Marriott Desert Springs, Visitor Center, the YMCA, and Community
Center. Ms. Steele also mentioned that the Visitor Center is selling the
discs with the Palm Desert logo.
Commissioner Barnes commented that the discs are sold at the pet shop.
Chairman Guyer replied that the discs are not the same.
Commissioner Barnes stated that since the Commission is discussing disc
golf at the Soccer Park, he asked Staff if they had any information on the
vandalism that occurred there. Ms. Steele responded that the Soccer Park
was paint balled during one evening. There was someone from the
apartment complex that saw what was happening and called the police.
The police was able to get to the Soccer Park while it was still going on,
and they were able to apprehend three of the four suspects. The suspects
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are going to be prosecuted and try to recover the City costs to repair and
cleanup the damage. She mentioned that she heard from the disc golf
group that the suspects are not the same people that have paint balled the
Soccer Park before so the police will continue to patrol the area.
Commissioner Barnes asked if there was much damage. Ms. Steele
responded it cost $2,000 to $3,000 to cleanup.
D. FREEDOM PARK UPDATE
Mr. Niemczak gave an update on the progress of Freedom Park. A list of
tasks was provided on page 61 of the agenda packet. He indicated that
Staff would be going to City Council for approval of three change orders:
1} for the installation of an additional ball field; 2) for the installation of
shade structures for the bleacher and dug out areas; and 3) for the
installation of water and sewer service.
He explained that Staff anticipated that the cost to install the water line
was going to be $100,000 to $120,000, but when the cost notification from
the water district arrived, the total cost was near half a million dollars.
Chairman Guyer asked how Staff could be so far off on the cost. Mr.
Niemczak responded that Staff contacted the Coachella Valley Water
District (CVWD) to explain the difference. He pointed out the two items
that were highlighted on page 63 of the agenda packet. He continued to
explain that the CVWD Board approved the amounts in September at their
meeting. CVWD is projecting what the cost is going to be to support water
service at Freedom Park in the future. Mr. Niemczak stated that Staff is in
the process of getting a copy of the resolution and meeting with the City
Attorney to find out if the water district could actually do that. Meanwhile,
the City has to pay the invoice in order to continue construction.
Alt. Commissioner Garcia asked to clarify imported water charge stated on
the invoice. Mr. Croy responded that it is water brought in from the
outside.
Ms. Steele announced that the State has some grant money that could be
used towards Freedom Park in the amount of $760,000. She hopes it
would offset some of the additional costs. She noted that it would require
filling out many applications, but would be well worth it.
Commissioner Barnes asked if there is still going to be a shortage of fields
due to the school districts renovations. He asked again if fields could be
installed at the north side park right away before waiting for the whole park
to be built all together. Chairman Guyer interjected that the there is no
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road to the park. Ms. Steele added that Staff is working with the Public
Works Department. She explained that there are some timelines that they
need to follow.
E. PARK INSPECTIONS
Ms. Steele reminded the Commission to send her the park inspection
sheets.
IX. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
Councilman Spiegel announced that on December 17, 2006, Alt.
Commissioner Garcia would be the host and M.C. for the 12'h Annual
Pegasus Writers' Academy Luncheon Fundraiser. He also announced that
Mr. Garcia has received 14 Emmy Awards, he was a former ABC White
House correspondent, and is the host creator of Go West on Channel 10.
Councilman Spiegel congratulated Mr. Garcia. He mentioned that the
luncheon is going to be held at the Doral Princess in Palm Springs, if
anyone is interested in attending. The cost for the lunch is $80.
Ms. Steele commented that she was going to forward an e-mail from the
Piranha Swim Club. The e-mail has some good information of what the
swim club is doing and what is going on in the area.
Mr. Croy mentioned that the Landscape and Park Staff are working on
redesigning the area outside of the Council Chamber. The theme that they
are moving towards is the Sister Cities approach. One side if the quad
would be dedicated to Gisbourne, New Zealand and the opposite side
would be dedicated to Ixtapa Zihatanejo. He stated that there will be a tree
ceremony on Wednesday, November 8. He noted that the design would
probably go through the Parks and Recreation Commission before going
to the City Council for approval.
Ms. Steele reported that Commissioner Dawson has done a lot work on
the plaques for the Freedom Park kiosks. A handout was circulated to the
Commissioners.
Commissioner Dawson explained that he attempted to come up with
topics that the Commission might want to consider for the kiosks. He
noted that the size of the plaques is not very big.
Ms. Steele stated that she spoke with Mayor Ferguson, and he asked that
the Commission move forward and bring him a proposal.
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Chairman Guyer requested that the plaque information is added to the
next meeting agenda. He also requested that the Commissioners come up
with their own ideas.
Commissioner Barnes commented that he handed out booklets on the
U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. He recommends
that when the City commemorates Freedom Park, the City Council
approve buying a booklet for each high school student. He noted that the
booklet costs about $1.00.
Commissioner Limont announced that her neighbor has River Dance
tickets available in case anyone is interested. Her neighbor is unable to
attend.
Ms. Steele announced that there is a concert scheduled in the park on
Friday, November 10, for Veteran's Day. She also commented that the
Turtles concert the previous week was a good show.
Alt. Commissioner Garcia thanked the City Council for the
Committee/Commission award.
X. ADJOURNMENT
Upon motion by Alt. Vice Chair Schukart, seconded by Commissioner
Limont, and unanimous vote of the Commission, Chairman Guyer
adjourned the meeting at 10:35 a.m.
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Monica Loredo, Recording Secretary
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