HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - Parks & Recreation Commission 02-01-2006CITY OF PALM DESERT
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
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FEBRUARY 1, 2006
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Randy Guyer convened the meeting at 8:32 a.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Present:
Chair Randy Guyer
Vice Chair Julie Munson
Commissioner Phill Babcock
Commissioner Michael Barnard
Commissioner Dan Barnes
Commissioner Gerald Dawson
Commissioner Connor Limont
Commissioner Terry Schukart
Staff Present:
Robert Spiegel, Council Member
Janis Steele, Parks & Recreation Services Manager
Jay Niemczak, Parks Maintenance Supervisor
Monica Loredo, Administrative Secretary
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Ms. Nancy Martel, Indian Wells resident, stated that on January 12,
2005, the Parks & Recreation Commission discussed and approved the
installation of a misting system and water fountain at the dog park. The
misting system was installed, but she was told that the water fountain is
in Mr. Stendell's office. She asked if the water fountain would be
installed at the dog park. Ms. Martel indicated that on May 11, 2005, a
phone system was approved for the dog park, but has not been installed.
She also indicated that on February 9, 2005, a card system at the dog
park was discussed, and asked if the system was going to happen. Lastly,
she stated on the dog issue at the Soccer Park that diseases are not
transmitted from dogs to humans. She suggested asking a veterinarian's
opinion.
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Mr. Kevin Kalman, Coachella Valley Recreation & Park District (CVRPD),
reminded the Commission that the Senior Games will begin on February
9, 2006, and that invitations for the opening ceremonies on February 10,
2006, were mailed to the Commission.
IV. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. MINUTES OF THE MEETING JANUARY 17, 2006
Minutes of Parks & Recreation Commission of January 17, 2006, were
approved as submitted. Motion moved/seconded by Dawson/Munson
and carried by an 8-0 vote.
V. PRESENTATIONS - None
VI. INFORMATIONAL ITEMS
A. THE DESERT SUN ARTICLE
B. BRIGHT SIDE ARTICLE
Ms. Steele commented that the articles were included in the agenda as
informational items.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. DISC GOLF PROPOSAL
Discussion and a recommendation to the City Council for a
proposed disc golf course at Ironwood Park.
Ms. Steele introduced Mr. Nathan Somers who will give a brief
presentation on disc golf.
Mr. Somers circulated a disc that is used for disc golf. He communicated
that he and friends have been using different parks in Palm Desert for disc
golf, and that they are requesting from the City of Palm Desert an area of
open space where they could install a disc golf course. He explained that
the sport is similar to regular golf. Discs are used instead of golf clubs, and
the target is steel baskets. Mr. Somers noted that there are lots of young
adults interested in the sport.
Commissioner Dawson asked Mr. Somers if they have played at other
places besides Ironwood. He responded that they have played at the Civic
Center and Hovley Soccer Park.
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Commissioner Barnes commented that he was not familiar with disc golf,
and asked if there are disc golf videos. Mr. Somers replied that he did not
have videos. He noted that pictures were provided for the agenda packets.
Ms. Steele stated that Mr. Chad Dean, who could not be present for the
Commission meeting, has approached other cities in the valley. She
explained that Staff met with Mr. Dean, and visited a couple of potential
locations for disc golf in Palm Desert. Ms. Steele commented that she
informed Mr. Dean that she would present a disc golf course to the
Commission.
Commissioner Babcock asked Mr. Somers if he knew if there is a disc golf
course at Balboa Park in San Diego. He responded that he does not know
about Balboa Park, but does know that there are other courses in San
Diego. Commissioner Babcock asked Mr. Somers how much area is
needed for a disc golf course. He replied that they are proposing a nine -
hole course with a dual tee box and nine metal catchers, but is not sure of
the exact acreage that would be needed. Mr. Somers commented that the
courses in Orange County are quite large. He noted that the Civic Center
is too busy, and that Ironwood has been working out for them fairly well.
Commissioner Babcock asked if the area could be isolated from children
or people walking through the course. Mr. Somers responded that they
have been playing at Ironwood that is not used very much by residents,
and that they set the tees away from the playground equipment. He also
noted that they do wait for people to walk by before throwing a disc.
Commissioner Limont communicated that a major part of the design for
Ironwood was the natural habitat that surrounds the park. She expressed
concern of having a disc golf course at Ironwood, which she thought is to
be kept as a natural area.
Chairman Guyer mentioned that he has seen disc golf played at an actual
golf course. He asked if there is anyway to incorporate with a golf course.
Mr. Somers replied that Mr. Dean did look into using a golf course, but he
was not sure which golf course he contacted. He believes that he did look
at the golf course by the Palm Desert High School near the wash.
Commissioner Schukart stated that the courses he played at in Oregon
were very large grassy parks. He has a concern with people waiting for a
disc to be thrown, and feels the current venue is small. Mr. Somers
responded that they are working with what they could and would rather
use the Civic Center, but he indicated that it is too busy.
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Chairman Guyer asked how many people are playing. Mr. Somers
responded that currently there are 15-20 people playing, and on normal
days about 10-12 play.
Vice Chair Munson stated that a disc golf course is a great idea and there
is a need for one.
Chairman Guyer asked if the tees have to be set in concrete. Mr. Somers
replied no. He explained that there are other materials that are used, such
as rubber mats. He noted that they would prefer to have something more
permanent so they would not have to remove the temporary tees each
time they play. Mr. Somers briefly described the course in Orange County,
and noted that their tees are graded.
Commissioner Babcock asked if they have to pick up the tees after a
game, and would they have safety or vandalism issues. Mr. Somers
responded the tees could withstand some vandalism since they are made
of metal and if the tees were set in concrete, they would not be able to be
pulled out. He indicated that if the park is dark, the tees are easy to see.
The tees stand approximately five feet tall, but there might be a chance
someone might run into one if it is really dark.
Commissioner Barnes asked Mr. Somers if they are requesting money.
Ms. Steele interjected that Staff gathered the cost information based on
nine baskets and eighteen tees. Commissioner Babcock affirmed that the
disc golf group is requesting land, and asked if lights would be needed.
Mr. Somers responded that it would not be a problem. He indicated that
they usually play before the sun goes down.
Commissioner Limont suggested looking for a location by Cal State.
Councilman Spiegel commented that it would be a while before the parks
by Cal State would be built.
Commissioner Barnes asked if they have looked at Homme/Adams Park.
Mr. Somers responded that they have not, but they are willing to work with
any location.
Commissioner Schukart asked if the tee signs would be set in concrete
and would they be made out of wood. Ms. Steele directed the Commission
to page 11 of the agenda to see a sample of the sign. Mr. Somers
commented that the tee sign is ideal, but that an arrow painted on the
ground would work.
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Commissioner Dawson moved for City Staff to look into locations for
a disc golf course with a recommendation. Motion was seconded by
Commissioner P. Babcock and carried by an 8-0 vote.
B. PALM DESERT COMMUNITY CENTER WEIGHT EQUIPMENT
Discussion on the proposed weight equipment.
Ms. Steele reported that the agenda packet has a copy of the proposed
layout, and cost for the weight equipment at the Community Center. She
introduced Craig DeWitt, CVPRD, to provide more information on the
equipment.
Mr. DeWitt reported that there have been many changes done at the
Palm Desert Community Center in the past six to eight months, and that
they are receiving positive comments from the community. The
comments came from a short five -question survey along with a comments
area that is done twice a month. He explained that through the survey,
they have had comments and suggestions that the weight equipment
could be improved. He commented that the Indio Community Center
replaced the equipment with the proposed equipment for Palm Desert,
and the Indio Center has received great reviews. Mr. DeWitt requested
assistance from the City of Palm Desert for the replacement of the
equipment and resurfacing of the floor.
Commissioner Barnes asked how much a Palm Desert resident would
pay to use the Community Center. Mr. DeWitt replied that it would cost
$10 a year. The cost varies depending on the person's location in the
valley. Commissioner Barnes asked how many people are currently using
the Center. Mr. DeWitt responded that the usage is up, but he could not
give an exact number.
Commissioner Schukart asked if there is a daily log that records how
many people have used the Center and would it show peak periods, etc.
Mr. DeWitt responded that their staff counts manually on an hourly basis.
He indicated that they would be installing a new tracking and card
system. Commissioner Schukart requested to see data on the usage of
the equipment at the Palm Desert Community Center.
Councilman Spiegel asked CVRPD if they had any Redevelopment funds
available. Mr. Stan Ford, CVRPD, responded that the District has a deficit
budget this year. He indicated that out of the $1.3 million Redevelopment
funds from the City, the district only sees 25% of that money. He also
indicated that the tax base they generate is committed. Mr. Ford
mentioned that the City Manager, Carlos Ortega, has approached the
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CVPRD to spend money on the swimming pool and new ball fields. He is
not sure if more money could be spent.
Commissioner Dawson asked if the floor space at the Community Center
is adequate. Mr. DeWitt responded that there is space at this time, but in
the future there would not be enough.
Commissioner Dawson asked if trainers are available to show people
how to use the equipment. Mr. DeWitt responded that they do have staff
to show people how to use the equipment, but they are not certified
trainers to provide a workout for them.
Commissioner Dawson commented that he has heard good things about
the Indio Community Center, and asked who built the building. Mr. DeWitt
replied that the City of Indio built the building. Mr. Kalman explained that
Indio has an additional assessment district that funds the Indio Center.
He indicated that part of the assessment pays for the debt service and
the remaining amount goes into the maintenance and operation for the
Center. Mr. Kalman noted that the Indio Center has a separate funding
source from any of the other operations in the district.
Mr. Ford stated that the District owns the Indio facility but not the Palm
Desert facility.
Commissioner Barnes stated that the District was going to have a
building built at Freedom Park, which is no longer in the plans. He asked
the District if they still have plans for another building. Mr. Ford
responded that he has had several discussions with the City. He
explained that the District was going to contribute money towards the
building at Freedom Park for a couple thousand feet of office space. Mr.
Ford commented that a building at Freedom Park was not going to be
practical. He noted that the money that was going towards the building is
now going towards the Golf Center. He stated the District bought a
building in Indio that is 8000 sq. ft. for their administrative offices.
Commissioner Dawson asked if the money that Mr. Ford mentioned for
the Golf Center was used to purchase the triangle piece of land. Mr. Ford
replied that the money was used to purchase the golf course/driving
range.
Chairman Guyer asked if the survey is done every two months. Mr.
DeWitt responded that it varies, but that the District tries to have a survey
twice a month, once in the morning and once in the afternoon. He
mentioned that some of the questions on the survey are on the service,
weight room, and other miscellaneous items.
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Chairman Guyer asked if they do the same survey at the Indio
Community Center. Mr. DeWitt replied yes. Chairman Guyer asked if the
District receives different survey results from the Indio Center. Mr. DeWitt
responded that there are more positive comments concerning service at
the Palm Desert Center than in Indio. Chairman Guyer asked if there is a
difference in demographics on the two facilities. Mr. DeWitt responded
that there is an age difference. The Indio facility has more ethnics and
younger people, and Palm Desert has more adults.
Commissioner Barnes asked Commissioner Schukart if there is an
attendant at the College of the Desert's weight room. He replied yes.
Mr. Kalman stated that the District has a full-time attendant at the Indio
weight room, and that the Palm Desert facility does not have enough floor
space for another body.
Mr. Ford commented that the subject of the weight equipment has been
addressed because the patrons are requesting new equipment. He
noticed that with the new equipment in Indio, he has seen more usage by
patrons. The usage in the Palm Desert facility is not quite as high due to
the old equipment.
Commissioner Barnard asked how many members are in the District. Mr.
Kalman responded that at any given time the District could have 10,000
active members. Commissioner Barnes asked if the District has looked at
raising the membership fee. Mr. Kalman responded that they have.
Mr. DeWitt mentioned that through the survey, it has been commented
that the District has the best deal.
Commissioner Limont stated that the City of Palm Desert budgets a
certain amount of money for CVRPD. She asked the District if they are
requesting additional money from the amount that they already receive to
purchase the equipment. Mr. DeWitt responded yes, but noted that the
District operates the Palm Desert Facility and operates at a loss of
$250,000.00 a year. Commissioner Limont asked if the City should be
taking a look at the loss or is it the cost of doing business.
Councilman Spiegel responded that it is the cost of doing business. The
City takes pride that someone could use the facility to do jazzercise for a
minimal price. He commented that the golf course operated and owned
by CVRPD also runs at a $250,000.00 deficit. He feels that for
$50,000.00 for equipment is a good investment, but that the City does
need to know what is the usage. If the Indio facility usage is up, the
usage in Palm Desert should go up too.
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Mr. DeWitt commented that there are about 400 people an hour using the
weight room in Indio.
Commissioner Schukart asked what is the difference in square footage
between Indio and Palm Desert. The District responded that Palm Desert
is approximately 1/3 the size of Indio.
Commissioner Barnes asked what the turnover time is for weight
equipment. Mr. DeWitt responded that it would eventually need to be
replaced. He mentioned that District does maintain the equipment so it
could last longer. It also depends on the usage and if it is good quality
equipment.
Commissioner Barnard asked if there is any value in the current
equipment to offset the cost. Mr. DeWitt replied no. Commissioner
Barnard asked if the equipment would be purchased or leased. The
District responded that it would be purchased.
Commissioner Dawson asked if the Commission agrees to purchase the
equipment, would it go to the City Council as a recommendation. Ms.
Steele replied yes.
Chairman Guyer stated that he has a concern with the demographics the
equipment is designed for since there are older people using the Palm
Desert facility. His other concern is where the money would come from.
Councilman Spiegel answered that it would come from the General Fund.
Chairman Guyer asked the Commission if they wanted to make a
recommendation.
Commissioner Schukart responded that he would like to see data on the
usage. Mr. DeWitt stated that he is confident that usage would increase
with new equipment.
The Commission recommended continuing the purchase of weight
and cardio equipment to the next Park & Recreation Commission
meeting, and that additional information on equipment usage is
provided.
Ms. Laura McGalliard addressed the Commission that they are welcome
to visit the Indio facility.
Councilman Spiegel asked the District how many people were
participating in the Senior Games. Mr. Kalman responded that the there is
little fewer than 800 participants. He mentioned that there would not be a
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men's volleyball team due to lack of organization, but that Pickle Ball was
added to this year's activities.
Mr. Kalman informed the Commission that the Senior Games dinner is
scheduled for February 10, 2006. Let him know if they did not receive an
invitation. The dinner will be a luau theme.
Ms. Steele asked Mr. Kalman if he had a schedule of events for the Senior
Games. He responded that he did not have any with him, but could send
some over to the City. He also said that information could be found on the
CVRPD website at www.cvprd.orq. He noted that their website will soon
be changing to www.cvprd.ca.gov.
Councilman Spiegel suggested that the District e-mail the schedule to Ms.
Steele, and she will forward it to the Commission. He asked if there were
lawn bowlers for the Senior Games. Mr. Kalman indicated that they
anticipate having approximately 30 bowlers.
Chairman Guyer commented that the past couple of years the men's
volleyball team has not been very well organized, and the reason for the
repercussions this year. Mr. Kalman added that the District's volleyball
coordinator backed out this year.
VIII. CONTINUED BUSINESS - None
IX. OLD BUSINESS - None
X. REPORTS AND UPDATES
A. AQUATIC CENTER
Ms. Steele reported that interviews for the Aquatic Center design went
well. She noted that Commissioner Schukart and Commissioner Barnes
participated representing the Commission. There were two firms that
scored the highest. A selection was made; Ms. Steele and Mr. Alvarez will
be meeting with the firm concerning the fee schedule. City Staff hopes to
have the contract approved at the second City Council meeting in
February.
Councilman Spiegel asked if the contract is approved, what is the timeline.
Ms. Steele responded that the design should be completed by May 2006,
the construction documents completed by Fall 2006, and then move
forward.
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Commissioner Barnes asked Commissioner Schukart if there are any
updates concerning the site location. Commissioner Schukart responded
that parking is still being negotiated and researched.
Commissioner Barnes voiced his concerns concerning the site, parking,
and money that would be spent. Councilman Spiegel stated there would
be plenty of parking available adjacent to the Public Safety Academy
when it is built (north of the pool).
Mr. Martin Alvarez commented that the project is not going to happen
overnight. There is input that needs to be received from the City Council,
Parks & Recreation Commission, Planning Commission, and the
community. He explained that there is a long process that has to happen,
and there will be an opportunity for everyone to look at the challenges and
issues.
Ms. Steele also commented that the design team is being hired. The firm
will do studies for the City. She stated that the City would not build
something that does not meet the parking standards.
B. FREEDOM PARK
Ms. Steele reported that an addendum was issued to extend the opening
to February 15, 2006.
C. ICE ARENA
Ms. Steele stated that she was directed by the Commission to request
business plans from the three different groups that have approached the
Commission. She indicated that she has not received a plan from the
Desert Hockey Association. I.C.E. Empire has a "confidential" plan, but
they are requesting a letter stating they have land from the City so they
can pursue fundraising efforts. Ms. Steele stated that she has received a
business plan from Desert Ice along with letters from Olympic athletes.
She mentioned that Staff has brought maps to look at possible locations.
Mr. Niemczak commented that the maps are small and that the
Commission might have to move closer to view them. He indicated the
brown areas are Redevelopment property and the green indicates City
property.
Councilman Spiegel suggested that the Commission make a decision if
they would like to proceed with Desert Ice House, and direct Staff to add
maps to the agenda packets for the next meeting.
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Ms. Steele requested that Commissioner Barnes let her know exactly the
area that he is referring to for the ice arena. Once Staff knows which area,
a larger map could be shown.
Commissioner Dawson asked where the new hotel would be located.
Councilman Spiegel stated that it is located in the complex of Desert
Willow close to the clubhouse.
Commissioner Barnes asked if a conference center is still going to be
built. Councilman Spiegel replied that is it not.
Commissioner Guyer asked the Commission if they have had a chance to
look at the pro forma for Desert Ice.
Commissioner Barnard inquired about the ice rink in Cathedral City. Ms.
Steele replied that the group from Cathedral City has approached the
Commission. The group built a rink in an old furniture store, which is not a
full size rink. She informed Mr. Barnard that Desert Ice House currently
has a rink in Ontario, and they are carpooling people from the Valley to
Ontario to skate.
Commissioner Barnes commented that Desert Ice House seems to be the
best group. He asked Councilman Spiegel what is the next step.
Councilman Spiegel responded making a recommendation to the City
Council that a program is developed between the City and Desert Ice
House with the group building the arena and the Commission
recommending several locations to the City Council.
Commissioner Barnes asked if Staff would have to check the information
the group provided to the City. Ms. Steele responded that Staff has visited
their arena and talked to their architects who are a very reputable firm out
of Minnesota. She feels comfortable saying that this group is serious and
that they the financial backing.
Chairman Guyer stated that the Commission needs to decide if they want
to move ahead with an ice arena, which group does the Commission want
to recommend, and find a location.
Commissioner Dawson asked if the City should wait for a response from
Desert Hockey Association. Ms. Steele responded that she requested the
information from them in November of 2005.
Chairman Guyer recommended that the ice arena be continued to the
next Parks & Recreation meeting and Vice Chair Munson
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recommended contacting Desert Hockey Association one last time
requesting a business plan.
Commissioner Barnard asked which group runs the Cathedral City ice
rink. Ms. Steele responded Desert Hockey Association.
D. CIVIC CENTER PARK PROJECTS
Mr. Niemczak reported that the columns at Legends Fields and the
development at the Date Grove are requiring architectural designs and
plans, which will delay the projects. He mentioned that he spoke to the
original builder of the columns, and he showed some interest, but is too
busy with other jobs. Mr. Niemczak asked the builder for the original plans
for the columns, but that the builder told him that he no longer had them.
He commented that the columns would have to be redesigned.
Commissioner Barnes asked if there are any copies of the plans in the
archives. Mr. Niemczak replied no. There is a local architect that is willing
to do the design.
E. DOG PARK ISSUES
Ms. Steele stated that the staff report on the dog issues would be going to
the City Council on February 23, 2006. There will be two separate items.
First would be presenting to the Council the card system along with other
options and request a recommendation. The second item would be not
allowing dogs at the Soccer Park. She also reported that she has
contacted Riverside County Animal Control. They are now out of the new
Animal Campus.
Councilman Spiegel announced that on Thursday, February 9, 2006, the
Campus would have a grand opening. He mentioned that the facility is
state of the art, and that the Commissioners should stop by for a visit.
Ms. Steele indicated that the Riverside County Animal Control is no longer
out of Indio, but out of the new Animal Campus. They have a new number
and will be posted at the dog parks soon. She mentioned that Code
Enforcement has called Animal Control to catch dogs off leash or
defecating at the Soccer Park, but that it has been difficult to catch them in
the act. Ms. Steele stated that Animal Control would continue to monitor
the Soccer Park. She also requested Animal Control to go around to the
dog parks and randomly check for tags. Ms. Steele feels that Animal
Control will be more responsive.
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Commissioner Dawson asked if the new phone number is a cell phone.
Ms. Steele responded that the new number is for animal control in Palm
Desert, and after hours they will have an answering machine that will page
them.
Commissioner Barnes shared that a doctor commented to him that he
does not like to see dogs running loose at the Soccer Park, and that he
feels the same as the Commission.
Commissioner Babcock asked Ms. Steele if she talked to the City Attorney
regarding a law that prohibits dogs on sport fields. She responded that she
has not been able to get a hold of him, but that she will try to contact him.
Commissioner Babcock shared his story about his father involved in
passing a law in the early 1930's prohibiting animals on athletic fields. He
commented that there are other areas in parks that are being used for
soccer games and football practice. He asked if those areas should also
be considered in prohibiting animals. Councilman Spiegel remarked that
there is a leash law. Commissioner Babcock replied that people still have
to pick up after their pets.
Ms. Steele stated that she has notified the City Attorney, and she would
check back with him.
Commissioner Barnes commented that there is a lot of good information in
the "Pooch Park" packet that was included in the agenda. Ms. Steele
responded that Staff would like to have an educational publication made
for dog park users.
Commissioner Babcock mentioned that he has not seen doggy sacks on
the trail. Mr. Niemczak responded that Staff installed bag holders at
Homme/Adams and Cahuilla Park. The one at Cahuilla Park was pulled
up, and Staff would have it reinstalled with concrete. Mr. Niemczak
indicated that the bag holders have not been installed on the trails.
F. PARK INSPECTIONS
Ms. Steele stated that the January inspection list was provided in the
agenda packet, and asked the Commission if they had any questions.
Commissioner Dawson mentioned that he saw a piece of land on the right
hand side of the driving range on Cook Street that had a For Sale/Sold
sign. Commissioner Spiegel responded that there is a small corner of the
driving range that is not part of the golf course. He indicated that the
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person that bought the land did not know that they only had access off
Cook Street, and is not sure what is the current status of the land.
Commissioner Barnes asked Ms. Steele how many ballparks are in
Freedom Park. She responded that there would be two, and that she is
checking on the cost for a third field.
XI. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
Commissioners had no comments.
Ms. Steele stated the lawn bowlers were not able to make it to the
Commission meeting, but wanted to thank the Commission for all they
have done in making lawn bowling possible for the next couple of years.
Ms. Steele indicated that she has had difficulty contacting Mr. Pasarell's
assistant. She did finally talk to his assistant, but was told that Mr. Pasarell
is in Europe and is suppose to be returning on February 11, 2006. His
assistant is going to work on changing his schedule.
Commissioner Barnes asked if it is too late to cut him out. Councilman
Spiegel commented that one year they had the wife of Don Drysdale
participated since Mr. Drysdale was no longer living.
The Commission recommended contacting Mr. Pasarell's wife to
attend the Senior Games award dinner in Mr. Pasarell's place.
Commissioner Dawson stated that he has been in many organizations in
his life, and preparing minutes is one of the most difficult things to do. He
commented that Ms. Loredo does a super job at preparing minutes.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
Upon motion by Commissioner Munson, second by Commissioner
Schukart, and unanimous vote of the Commission, Chairman Guyer
adjourned the meeting at 10.16 a.m.
Monica Loredo, Recording Secretary
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